The Ultimate Ally

The "realists" are wrong: America needs Israel now more than ever.

BY MICHAEL OREN | MAY/JUNE 2011

What is the definition of an American ally? On an ideological level, an ally is a country that shares America's values, reflects its founding spirit, and resonates with its people's beliefs. Tactically, an ally stands with the United States through multiple conflicts and promotes its global vision. From its location at one strategic crossroads, an ally enhances American intelligence and defense capabilities, and provides ports and training for U.S. forces. Its army is formidable and unequivocally loyal to its democratic government. An ally helps secure America's borders and assists in saving American lives on and off the battlefield. And an ally stimulates the U.S. economy through trade, technological innovation, and job creation.

Few countries fit this description, but Israel is certainly one of them. As U.S. President Barack Obama told a White House gathering, "The United States has no better friend in the world than Israel," a statement reflecting the positions of Democrats and Republicans alike. The importance of the U.S.-Israel alliance has been upheld by successive American administrations and consistently endorsed by lawmakers and military leaders. It should be unimpeachable. But for some it is not.

Rather than viewing Israel as a vital American asset, an increasingly vocal group of foreign-policy analysts insists that support for the Jewish state, including more than $3 billion in annual military aid, is a liability. Advocates of this "realist" school claim that the United States derives little strategic benefit from its association with Israel. The alliance, they assert, arises mainly from lobbyists who place Israel's interests before America's, rather than from a clearheaded assessment of national needs. Realists regard the relationship one-dimensionally -- America gives Israel aid and arms -- and view it as the primary source of Muslim anger at the United States. American and Israeli policies toward the peace process, the realists say, are irreconcilable and incompatible with relations between true allies.

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By definition, realists seek a foreign policy immune to public sentiment and special interest groups. In this rarefied view, the preferences of the majority of the American people are immaterial or, worse, self-defeating. This would certainly be the case with the U.S.-Israel alliance, which remains outstandingly popular among Americans. Indeed, a Gallup survey this February showed that two out of three Americans sympathize with Israel. Overall, since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan -- and in spite of Israel's responses to the second intifada and rocket attacks from Lebanon in 2006 and Gaza in 2008 -- support for Israel in the United States has risen, not declined.

The surveys prove that most Americans do not accept the argument that U.S. support for Israel provokes Islamic radicals or do not especially care even if it does. In a Senate hearing last year, Gen. David Petraeus, then head of U.S. Central Command, testified that the Arab-Israeli conflict "challenges … our ability to advance our interests." Critics of the U.S.-Israel relationship seized on the remark as evidence of the alliance's prohibitive costs -- an interpretation Petraeus strenuously rejected -- but the incident wrought no change in popular opinion. In fact, a CNN survey taken later that week showed that eight out of 10 Americans still regarded Israel as an allied or friendly state.

That kind of popular foundation for the Israeli-American alliance is all the more important at a time of great upheaval in the Middle East. As Iran's malign influence spreads and Turkey turns away from the West, Israel's strategic value in the region, both to the United States and to pro-Western Arab governments, will surely increase. Following Hezbollah's recent takeover of Lebanon and the political turmoil in Egypt, Jordan, and the Persian Gulf, Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that is certain to remain stable and unequivocally pro-American. In Israel alone, the United States will not have to choose between upholding its democratic principles and pursuing its vital interests.

And yet, for all their urgency, the close ties between the United States and Israel are hardly new. Their roots extend further than Israel's creation 63 years ago -- rather, they took hold with the Pilgrims' arrival in North America.

Menahem Kahana/AFP/Getty Images

 

Michael Oren is Israel's ambassador to the United States and author, most recently, of Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East: 1776 to the Present.

FORREST SMTIH

10:38 PM ET

April 24, 2011

I"m sorry

but I just don't want to pay taxes to support a county that is appropriating land from the Palestinians to expand its borders. The old word for it is imperialism. Time to cut off aid to Israel and put it to dealing with the U.S. debt.

 

FRED_J9

8:57 AM ET

April 25, 2011

 

DMOLONEY

10:58 AM ET

April 25, 2011

its strange how a "us marine"

its strange how a "us marine" would jump at the chance to bash his country in order to defend another, strange indeed.

 

ANDREW.R

11:10 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Criticize all you want

Serving in the marines doesn't mean that you cant criticize America.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
-President Thomas Jefferson

 

LEEN

11:13 AM ET

April 25, 2011

solid point

You have a solid point.

The US is as bad or worse than Israel in regard to human rights issues.

 

FORREST SMTIH

2:02 PM ET

April 25, 2011

But we're not talking about the U.S.

While the U.S. has behaved badly in the past, we're talking about Israel, Israel's continued theft of Palestinian land, and the money the U.S. pays to support it.

 

MINUSKIN

4:33 PM ET

April 25, 2011

I'm also sorry

Mr. Smith,

I ask that you IMMEDIATELY leave to United States of America, since it is sitting on stolen Native American land. Further more, it is VERY shameful that you continue paying tax's for the US government, that is appropriating land from the Native Americans to expand its borders.

Mr. Smith, I suggest you educate your self about the Middle East, before you come up with such silly statements. The West Bank and Jerusalem was taken from Jordan in the 6 day war (1967), Israel has peace with Jordan, they didn't want those territories back.

So what's your problem again?

 

LAURENC

4:43 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Land grabbing

I really wish people (zionists) would stop countering their CURRENT genocide with what the Americans did A VERY LONG time ago. We don't do that now... get that right and try a new counter arguement.

 

LAURENC

4:47 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Still stupid

Mr. Marine (aka Zionist troll)
You really need to study history. You are so ignorant it's funny. Israel claimed itself as a State..... Unilaterally. The UN patitioned the land in 1947. The Jews have stolen land that doesn't belong to them according to the map. Then again you scum won't be happy until you have stolen the entire Middle East.

 

FORREST SMTIH

5:08 PM ET

April 25, 2011

I'm very well educated about Israel, thank you.

My senior history thesis was on Israel, its war for independence and the Middle East. And just because Israel took over the West Bank doesn't give them the right to demolish Palestinian villages to make room for its colonists. Taking this land by force is only sowing the seeds of more hatred and war. And I don't think the U.S. should be paying Israel a cent because of it. Israel's nationalism has become an albatross around our neck.

 

STRAIGHTTALK

5:57 PM ET

April 25, 2011

putting your bias before our national security

In foreign operations funding, the US prioritized funding in line with our national security interests. Full funding for Israel was approved precisely because it is in our interests. Oren's article articulates clearly the many ways this is so.

And as for your other point, there are no borders between Israel and the West Bank today for one reason. The Palestinians refuse to make peace with Israel. Border disputes are resolved when parties sit down together and negotiate - and the Palestinians refuse to do so. Far from being a border dispute the real issue here is that the Palestinians demand a state of their own while denying that same right for the Jewish people. Abbas and Fayed are both on record refusing to recognize a Jewish State of Israel.

 

STRAIGHTTALK

6:03 PM ET

April 25, 2011

what legal document says its

what legal document says its Palestinian land? Legally, until the Palestinians negotiate a peace agreement with Israel, the land you are referring to was part of the Palestine Mandate, all of which the League of Nations unanimously voted to be a Jewish Homeland.

 

STRAIGHTTALK

6:06 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Possession

You say don't rehash old history. America has the land now, let it go. O.K. Don't rehash old history. Israel has the land now, let it go. DOUBLE STANDARD????

 

AVRAHAM

7:02 PM ET

April 25, 2011

you should be sorry

i thought imperialism was when one country attacks another for the purpose of expanding it's borders. fyi, israel was warred upon by numerous other countries for the stated purpose of driving israelis into the sea and thereby expanding their (the attackers) borders.
things didn't work out exactly as the attackers planned and they were defeated on all fronts in both 1967 and 1973.

 

AVRAHAM

7:10 PM ET

April 25, 2011

your expertise on israel

would you care to give me a few examples of arab towns in judea or samaria which were demolished due to establishment or expansion of israeli towns there?
i happen to live in an israeli town in judea, tekoa. i can give you dozens of examples that new towns were located and/or expanded absolutely absurdly in order to avoid possible legal issues with arab residents in these areas.

 

CAL

12:00 AM ET

April 26, 2011

ROTFLMAO

Gawd....if you zionist activist are gonna make statements you could at least say something thats not as easy to check as your claims about the West Bank.

Facts:

230,000 illegal Israeli settlers live in the West Bank
Israeli settler infastructure takes up 40% of the West Bank.

Let's see, the last time I looked at one of congressional commissioned country reports on Israel , 2006 to be exact, it said israel was still not a self supporting country and depended on US and other foreign aid to meet it's obligations.

Listen, you've had 60 some years to get your stuff together and you still can't make it as anything but parasites and pirates...it's time to cut you loose. Americans don't owe the Jews or Israel for the holocuast or anything else, you in fact owe us. So far for the 1.6 trillion American taxpayers have given Israel up to 2002 acording to the CSM (God knows what that figure is now) we haven't seen a dime or a single benefit to the US on our investment, just more begging and grabbing and whinning.

Go away.

 

LYN17

1:01 AM ET

April 26, 2011

You can count on zionists

to either distort historical fact until it's resemblance to actual fact is unrecognizable or fabricate it completely. Israel started every war it's been in, from terrorist bombs in 1947 (OK, that was Israel's zionist founders) to the most recent attack on Gaza. 1948? Half the native Palestinian Arab population had already been driven out massacres and threats of massacre by the time any Arab state joined the fight. 1956? Clearly Israel invaded the Sinai. 1967? Israel attacked Egypt before turning on Jordan and Syria. Not to mention the several invasions and long occupation of southern Lebanon, and numerous bombing runs besides.

Oren - must have missed a few syllables, his name should be Or-welli-en. Claiming Hamas and Hezbollah are our enemies? Neither organization has ever declared any intent to attack America, and furthermore, both arose as resistance forces to Israel's occupation of their respective lands. Yeah, and all his advocacy of the zionists' "right" to mass murder and expel the native people of Palestine, that would be the Palestinian Arabs, on religious grounds. Because they aren't Jewish. And he goes on to claim it's an American value to deny a certain people rights to life and liberty in their own native land because of their religion. What hooey, as someone said.

 

SMITHMASON

1:22 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Not only that, but I'm so

Not only that, but I'm so sick and tired of hearing people's trite comments about "the middle east hates us because of our freedom." No, they hate us because we support Israel in the capacity that we do, they hate us for our imperialism, and they hate us because our media distributes footage of Floridian whack-jobs burning their holy book.

 

DANNY BLACK

2:24 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Care to guess how much "Palestinian land"

has been "stolen" in the last 10 years because rubbing the two brain cells together for 10 seconds would should it is negative. Think size of Gaza settlements, think whether they are bigger or smaller than 100 odd appartments.

Also lets ignore the fact that virtually all the aid is for purchasing US goods and pretend it is a gift that never comes back to the US shores. It works out to about 10USD per american or put differently around 0.15% of the **annual** deficit. I note you have no issue with the money that goes to Lebanon whose current leaders carried out the worst terrorist attack on US nationals apart from 9/11, or the couple of billion that goes to the Palestinians who daily incite against the US, or 1.5 billion that goes to Egypt? etc etc etc.

 

DANNY BLACK

2:29 AM ET

April 26, 2011

I assume you failed your senior high school thesis

You are aware that the West Bank was conquered from Jordan in 1967 not in 1948? You presumably are also aware that land was Jordanian when conquered and furthermore you are clearly aware that land was taken in a war that Jordan was repeatedly asked to stay out of by Israel, that Jordan fired the first shots and continued to fire even when Israel repeated its request for them to stay out. Finally I am sure you are also aware Jordan stated officially they didn't want it back in 1989 and the PLO said they didn't want the West Bank back in the 60s.

 

DANNY BLACK

2:33 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Cal, actually you can check in the Green book

Israel has been given and it is nowhere near 1.6 trillion. In today's money it is about 100billion since 1948. Settlers took over 40%? try closer to 10%. Even if it was 40%, most of the West Bank wasn't populated in 1967.

But hey who cares about facts?

 

SALUBRIUS

10:13 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Islamic Imperialism, not Israeli Imperialism

The WWI Allies at San Remo provided Arabs and Muslims with sovereignty over 99% of the land captured from the Ottoman Empire that had gained its lands in two waves of conquest by Arabs and Turks over a period extending from the 7th century to the 1300s. The remaining 1% was Palestine. The Allies awarded EXCLUSIVE POLITICAL RIGHTS to Palestine to the Jews in recognition of the long historic interest of the Jews in that land. The decision of the Allies at San Remo codified the Balfour Declaration as International Law. Pursuant to that decision, the League of Nations created a trust called a "mandate" to administer sovereignty over Palestine until the Jews in the diaspora had migrated back to Palestine and created a majority and were capable of exercising sovereignty. The Jews had had a majority in Jerusalem since 1845 but were only one tenth the population of all Palestine. The US ratified the Palestine Mandate and entered into a treaty with England making Jewish exclusive political rights US and English domestic law as well as International law. When England abandoned its trust in 1948, the exclusive political rights that had therefore been just a beneficial interest of the Jews became a legal interest and gave them sovereignty -- although Ben Gurion noted in the UNSCOP hearings that he would give up part of it if the Arabs could be persuaded to give up their threats of war.
Perfidious Albion betrayed its trust and gave away Palestine east of the Jordan to the Hashemite tribe of Arabs. Then the UN, which by Article 80 of its charter, was charged with recognizing the earlier grants recommended that over half the remainder be given to the Arabs in the hopes that would get them to withdraw from their threats of war but it did not. Israel, behind the Green Line, has only a small fraction of what it is entitled to under Biblical Law, International Law, and the domestic law of the United States and England. The Arabs and Muslims with some 99.77% of the land of the former Ottoman Empire in the Middle East and the Maghreb are doing their best to whittle away the remainder by a so called "Peace Process" that is a charade in which they have had a new collective noun "Palestinians" invented for them by Soviet Russia in 1964, PRETENDED to renounce violence, and Pretended to seek peace.
The terrorism in Palestine commenced in 1921, fostered by Haj Amin al Husseini, an early member of the Mustlim Brotherhood. It was motivated by religious fervour, not secular nationalism with a quest for political self determination. However the Soviet propaganda masters were successful as disguising it as such, commencing with the draft, in Moscow of the first PLO charter inventing the term "Palestinian People" and insisting that these people, Arabs local to Palestine who had never before sought self rule, demanded political self determination. This concept in the preamble of the Charter was ratified by the first 422 members of the Palestinian National Council, each hand picked by the KGB according to Major General Ion Pacepa, the highest ranking Soviet bloc defector during the Cold War. When the British offered Arabs self determination in WWI if they fought on the side of the British, the Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula, with Lawrence, took them up on it; the Arabs in Palestine, instead of going for it, fought on the side of the Ottomans against the British as remembered by Winston Churchill in the debates over the 1939 White Paper.
Who are the land grabbers? The Arabs.

 

BONES24601

1:11 PM ET

April 26, 2011

truth

I do believe that the families of the 299 United States and French service men killed in Hezbollah's 1983 bombing of the United States marine barracks in Beirut would disagree with your claim that groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas have never intended to attack America. Sure Hezbollah has never claimed responsibility for the attack, however it cannot be denied that Hezbollah received massive support and growth following the attack; nor can it be aruged against that Imad Mugineyah, a founding member and hero of Hezbollah masterminded the operation. Furthermore, I do believe that the numerous American and Israeli flag burning demonstrations and calls for the destruction of both states that routinely take place in Hamas controlled Gaza and Hezbollah controlled Lebanon demonstrate a sincere motivation on the part of both groups to see Israel and the United States destroyed.

As to the idea that Israel initiated every conflict that it has been involved in, well, such a claim needs to be examined in its proper context. Israel declared its statehood on May 14,1948 after accepting the terms of the United Nations partition plan to divide Palestine into two states, one for both the Palestinians and the Israelis alike. After declaring statehood the surrounding Arab countries who rejected the United Nations partition plan invaded with the intend of wiping Israel off the map; hardly a provacative action to declare one's right to exist while at the same time agreeing to statehood for the Palestinians as well.

However, Israel is not without sin itself, just as any other nation in the world, both Arab countries and the United States alike are not without sin. Israel, along with the British and the French did indeed collaborate in the 1956 Suez crisis, an act that the Eisenhower administration unequivocally condemned.

Unlike the Suez Crisis, the Six Day war of 1967 was absolutely a response to Nasser's continued and persistant calls for Israel's destruction. I don't know about you but if someone repeatedly tells me that they desire my destruction, I tend to take them seriously. Hence the Six Day War, Israel's preemptive action against Egypt to defend itself from a regime continually calling for its annihilation. To my knowledge, Israel has never called for nor advocated for the destruction of the Palestinian people. However, I certainly concede that incidents such as the Deir Yassin massacre and the Sabra and Shatilla massacres are a stain upon Israel's reputation, however such incidents are certainly the exception, not the rule.

Finally lets look at the 1973 Yom Kippur War, a war initiated by Egypt's Anwar Sadat on Jewish holiday in order to surprise the Israelis for the purpose of exterminating them without as much resistance. The idea that this war was somehow initiated by Israel is simply ludicrous given the context of how it started.

Israel has been a consistent friend and ally to the United States, one that I am proud to have. I would also be proud to have any Arab country as an ally of the United States, however as Mr. Oren points out, this is not something that most Arab countries have seen as being desirable on numerous occasions.

 

BONES24601

1:12 PM ET

April 26, 2011

truth

I do believe that the families of the 299 United States and French service men killed in Hezbollah's 1983 bombing of the United States marine barracks in Beirut would disagree with your claim that groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas have never intended to attack America. Sure Hezbollah has never claimed responsibility for the attack, however it cannot be denied that Hezbollah received massive support and growth following the attack; nor can it be aruged against that Imad Mugineyah, a founding member and hero of Hezbollah masterminded the operation. Furthermore, I do believe that the numerous American and Israeli flag burning demonstrations and calls for the destruction of both states that routinely take place in Hamas controlled Gaza and Hezbollah controlled Lebanon demonstrate a sincere motivation on the part of both groups to see Israel and the United States destroyed.

As to the idea that Israel initiated every conflict that it has been involved in, well, such a claim needs to be examined in its proper context. Israel declared its statehood on May 14,1948 after accepting the terms of the United Nations partition plan to divide Palestine into two states, one for both the Palestinians and the Israelis alike. After declaring statehood the surrounding Arab countries who rejected the United Nations partition plan invaded with the intend of wiping Israel off the map; hardly a provacative action to declare one's right to exist while at the same time agreeing to statehood for the Palestinians as well.

However, Israel is not without sin itself, just as any other nation in the world, both Arab countries and the United States alike are not without sin. Israel, along with the British and the French did indeed collaborate in the 1956 Suez crisis, an act that the Eisenhower administration unequivocally condemned.

Unlike the Suez Crisis, the Six Day war of 1967 was absolutely a response to Nasser's continued and persistant calls for Israel's destruction. I don't know about you but if someone repeatedly tells me that they desire my destruction, I tend to take them seriously. Hence the Six Day War, Israel's preemptive action against Egypt to defend itself from a regime continually calling for its annihilation. To my knowledge, Israel has never called for nor advocated for the destruction of the Palestinian people. However, I certainly concede that incidents such as the Deir Yassin massacre and the Sabra and Shatilla massacres are a stain upon Israel's reputation, however such incidents are certainly the exception, not the rule.

Finally lets look at the 1973 Yom Kippur War, a war initiated by Egypt's Anwar Sadat on Jewish holiday in order to surprise the Israelis for the purpose of exterminating them without as much resistance. The idea that this war was somehow initiated by Israel is simply ludicrous given the context of how it started.

Israel has been a consistent friend and ally to the United States, one that I am proud to have. I would also be proud to have any Arab country as an ally of the United States, however as Mr. Oren points out, this is not something that most Arab countries have seen as being desirable on numerous occasions.

 

BONES24601

1:13 PM ET

April 26, 2011

truth

I do believe that the families of the 299 United States and French service men killed in Hezbollah's 1983 bombing of the United States marine barracks in Beirut would disagree with your claim that groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas have never intended to attack America. Sure Hezbollah has never claimed responsibility for the attack, however it cannot be denied that Hezbollah received massive support and growth following the attack; nor can it be aruged against that Imad Mugineyah, a founding member and hero of Hezbollah masterminded the operation. Furthermore, I do believe that the numerous American and Israeli flag burning demonstrations and calls for the destruction of both states that routinely take place in Hamas controlled Gaza and Hezbollah controlled Lebanon demonstrate a sincere motivation on the part of both groups to see Israel and the United States destroyed.

As to the idea that Israel initiated every conflict that it has been involved in, well, such a claim needs to be examined in its proper context. Israel declared its statehood on May 14,1948 after accepting the terms of the United Nations partition plan to divide Palestine into two states, one for both the Palestinians and the Israelis alike. After declaring statehood the surrounding Arab countries who rejected the United Nations partition plan invaded with the intend of wiping Israel off the map; hardly a provacative action to declare one's right to exist while at the same time agreeing to statehood for the Palestinians as well.

However, Israel is not without sin itself, just as any other nation in the world, both Arab countries and the United States alike are not without sin. Israel, along with the British and the French did indeed collaborate in the 1956 Suez crisis, an act that the Eisenhower administration unequivocally condemned.

Unlike the Suez Crisis, the Six Day war of 1967 was absolutely a response to Nasser's continued and persistant calls for Israel's destruction. I don't know about you but if someone repeatedly tells me that they desire my destruction, I tend to take them seriously. Hence the Six Day War, Israel's preemptive action against Egypt to defend itself from a regime continually calling for its annihilation. To my knowledge, Israel has never called for nor advocated for the destruction of the Palestinian people. However, I certainly concede that incidents such as the Deir Yassin massacre and the Sabra and Shatilla massacres are a stain upon Israel's reputation, however such incidents are certainly the exception, not the rule.

Finally lets look at the 1973 Yom Kippur War, a war initiated by Egypt's Anwar Sadat on Jewish holiday in order to surprise the Israelis for the purpose of exterminating them without as much resistance. The idea that this war was somehow initiated by Israel is simply ludicrous given the context of how it started.

Israel has been a consistent friend and ally to the United States, one that I am proud to have. I would also be proud to have any Arab country as an ally of the United States, however as Mr. Oren points out, this is not something that most Arab countries have seen as being desirable on numerous occasions.

 

WARTHOGG

5:43 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Israel a US ally ?? Don't think so.

Israel kills US military (See USS Liberty), spys on the US and sells our secrets to China.

Since 1967 the US has maintained a pro-Israel Middle East position.

LONG past time for a pro US Middle East policy.

 

HARIF53

8:29 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Time to cut off aid to Israel

You are right Smith, why give anything to the only country in the Middle East that is a democracy. That for 2500 years has lived on the land. No you are right we should give billions to many of the brutal regimes around the area. So that their people can starve looking at the wonderful villa's that the leaders have built themselves. Or maybe the fancy cars with bullet proof bodies that their price could have fed an entire village. Or maybe where, women feel really good knowing that men trust them almost as much as a man's donkey. Oh I forgot we should really give them the weapons they need, you know that way we can get a quick response on if the weapon is worthwhile or not, after they use it on their own people.

 

HISTORYBUFF1

8:43 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Educated about israel?

How can that be? How is it that you are not informed about the Balfour Declaration, the League of Nations, the Peel Commission, the British Palestine Mandate, the U.N. Partition that was never accepted by the Arab world, the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza by Jordan and Egypt from 1948 to 1967, the borders between Jew and Arab shifting with each new Arab-initiated war. Are you a charlatan, or do you just choose to jump on the bash-Israel wagon, with no evidence whatsoever to support your views?

How could you miss all this? Your simplistic notion of "Palestinian land" as if this is a given, your parroting misinformation that Israelis are "Colonialists" rather than victims defending themselves from those who would murder every man, woman, and child, your conveniently failing to mention Israel's unilateral delivery of Gaza to the Palestinians in the hope of catalyzing peace, and more, demonstrates that your views are really just camel fodder. Your "extensive" knowledge base extends no further than your communities local misinformed newspaper.

You want history? Do yourself a favor and buy the 2010 book, Palestine Betrayed by Ephraim Karsh, Chairman of the Near Eastern History Dept. at King's College in London. This book will provide the education you espouse to already have, but obviously don't.

 

HISTORYBUFF1

8:47 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Israel v Palestine

Your explanation of the early 20th century history of this land is 100% accurate and verifiable in any authoritative history text. These are the facts--there are no other. Those who say the opposite only espouse opinion. They are entitled to their own opinions, but they are NOT entitled to their own "facts".

 

DR. M. SPHARDI

1:32 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Zionist Imperialism

In 1917, Dr. Chaim Weizmann, a wealthy immigrant chemist in England was asked to solve a serious war problem: Their source of ingredients for acetone and cordite had been cut off and were essential to the British war effort. He solved the problem and was assured that by the Balfour Declaration there would be a Jewish state after the war. The area promised included Jordan as well as all of Palestine.

When the UN in 1947 declared Israel a Jewish state, its share was ridiculously small; whereas the Palestinian share, including Jordan's occupation of the West Bank, was far larger than what the Arabs are ready to accept today. But in 1948, there was a five Arab nation invasion of Israel including the crack British trained and led Jordanian army. The Palestinians fled; some inevitable cruelties occurred in the course of the mop up of behind the lines Arab stragglers.

Israel won, but in revenge eleven of the Arab League nations turned out 830,000 Jews, took all their assets and made them refugees. To this day, Israel makes no claims on behalf of those Jews from the Arab countries, Mizrahis. They constitute almost half of Israel's population. And if there are ever any reports of bullying or cruelty at the hands of the IDF, in my estimation it would be fair repayment for the humiliations, mass murders, and special taxes that we Mizrahis suffered from the Arabs for more than 2000 years.

Just because the Palestinian refugees have had world attention and financial support for these 62 years does not mean that the Mizrahis don't deserve the same or better sympathy and territory to live in. The Arabs have 99.04% of the land; the Jews have .06%

 

DR. M. SPHARDI

2:05 AM ET

April 27, 2011

defective thesis D- rewrite

I've made an extensive comment above; it may help you in the rewriting of your thesis.We should remember, of course, that 75% or more of the money for Israel goes directly back to the US as military purchases (making jobs for the US). We do it only because it serves our interests. Do you imagine that we have troops stationed all over the world, Germany and South Korea, etc just for the benefit of the local girls?

We give the money to both Egypt AND Israel so that they'd make peace and so that the Israelis would give back the Suez Canal and Sinai. Israel would have been wiser and better off to keep its position at the canal. With the new Egyptian government rattling its sabre and talking of abrogating its peace treaty, Israel may be forced to return and bloody the Egyptian nose again, but there will be no giving back the Sinai again.

I truly believe that we should have stayed out of WWI; then there would have been no WWII. We should have confined ourselves to the Western Hemisphere. Too late, Monroe.

 

DR. M. SPHARDI

2:42 AM ET

April 27, 2011

SSLiberty outrage

I thought that this had been laid to rest long ago. My understanding is that Israel had no reason to believe that any ship so positioned, flying whatever colors, was up to any good. The ship was intercepted providing the Egyptians with intelligence about the Israeli disposition of forces. The US flag has been flown many times by pirates and others. In the heat of battle, friendly fire is not uncommon and the Israeli communications and action proved a terrible mistake. Israel has apologized and provided stipulated compensation.
On the other hand, that was an incomprehensibly stupid place for an American vessel to be just off the shore of Egypt in the time of war. I have never learned what the ship was sup-
posed to be doing there in the first place if not provide the Egyptians with info on Israel.

Sharon was charged with wittingly allowing the Christian Arabs to go into the camps of the Moslem Arabs. It is said that he should have known better. Who would have imagined that Arabs would hack fellow Arabs to death? I guess there are going to be a lot of indictments coming up after things settle down in Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, etc. But somehow they'll probably blame the Israelis.

 

DMOLONEY

5:32 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Sorry us marine but under

Sorry us marine but under international law israels settlements are illegal, you cant change this very important fact

 

DMOLONEY

5:39 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Not only that, but I'm so

Not only that, but I'm so sick and tired of hearing people's trite comments about "the middle east hates us because of our freedom."

"and they hate us because our media distributes footage of Floridian whack-jobs burning their holy book."

The latter point actually shows that many do dislike the us because of certain freedoms that it allows.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

10:31 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Forrest for the Trees - of Europe

Forrest is sorry that he doesn't want to pay taxes to support a "county" (har har, the little boy doesn't even know how to spell) that is appropriating land from Palestinians.

Well, Forrest - WRONG, like all Jew-baiters and Israel-haters.

One, that land is JEWISH land from "time immemorial". If anyone is taking land it is the Palestinians who have NO right to be there, period.

Secondly, if you have a problem with this, tough. Guys like you will never practice what you urge others to preach and vacate the Native American land your ancestors stole by brutality, theft, lies, violence, and massacre. When you do that, and move back to the trees of Europe, then you write. Otherwise take sieg-heil someplace else. BECAUSE

Three - Israel gives back more and more than they take. The Palestinians take, and dance in the streets when Americans are slaughtered.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

10:34 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Laurenc - go back to the sewers of Europe

You obviously have a problem with Jews. And probably with most Americans too.

Well, take your problem back to the increasingly Islamicized streets of Old Europe, which has always accepted what was bad for it, and apparently still does, because America is too good for an ignorant Fascist pig like yourself. And if you're not the coward who refuses to do so, stay there. The Stars and Stripes are too good for roach fece drips like yourself.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

10:44 PM ET

April 28, 2011

You Can Count On Fascists

to permanently be ignorant pigs - and support those who dance when Americans are killed, when infants and innocent animals are slaughtered, when a kidnapped boy isn't even allowed to see Red Cross representatives (too bad Israel doesn't just shoot the Hamas lot in their jails - it would save Israeli taxpayers a lot of money)

 

CLINTONIUS

4:38 PM ET

April 29, 2011

Bad History

It was a preemptive strike by Israel in 1973. Get your facts straight. And you cannot appropriate land through war....it's illegal. Israel is in breach of UN, Geneva, ICC ad nauseum....that is if you want to know the truth of the matter.

 

JACKTOM

1:57 AM ET

May 1, 2011

solid poin

You have a solid point.

The US is as bad or worse than Israel in regard to human rights issues.

make rap beats

 

JACKTOM

10:12 AM ET

May 5, 2011

While the U.S. has behaved

While the U.S. has behaved badly in the past, make a rap we're talking about Israel, Israel's continued theft of Palestinian land, and the money the U.S. pays to support it.

 

PULLER58

9:30 AM ET

May 16, 2011

Israel as ally

Sadly, there are too many Americans who either buy into the notion of plucky little country that helps keep the nasty Arabs in line, or are the End Times bunch that want Israel to usher in the Second Coming. I'd prefer my taxes to not fund such nonsense.

 

ZIPFLASH

11:06 AM ET

May 16, 2011

Total cognitive disconnect

The US should be a Switzerland to the Arab/Persia/Israeli morass, providing no economic, military or diplomatic aid to anyone in the region. Our only real geopolitical interests there are buying oil -- a fungible commodity whose price will be the same regardless of who pumps it -- and selling guns. We have nothing to gain, everything to lose by taking sides.

 

IZZAK

9:13 PM ET

May 19, 2011

Parasitic Jews

The founding people of the United States - those who Jews routinely call racist whites, do not need Israel. Israel wants white men and women dying or the Jews in wars that benefit the Jews. Jews are trying to push a Jewish agenda in terms that they hope white Americans will accept. It's funny how Jews in the United States are so consistently supportive of an ethnically hyper nationalist Isael while simultaneously supporting massive nonwhite immigration to the United States in order to ethnically displacevthe founding race of the United States of America. This effort to ethnically lens white Americans falls within scope of Article 2 of the Geneva Conventions - Genocide.

Two words - military tribunals.

 

IZZAK

9:13 PM ET

May 19, 2011

Parasitic Jews

The founding people of the United States - those who Jews routinely call racist whites, do not need Israel. Israel wants white men and women dying or the Jews in wars that benefit the Jews. Jews are trying to push a Jewish agenda in terms that they hope white Americans will accept. It's funny how Jews in the United States are so consistently supportive of an ethnically hyper nationalist Isael while simultaneously supporting massive nonwhite immigration to the United States in order to ethnically displacevthe founding race of the United States of America. This effort to ethnically lens white Americans falls within scope of Article 2 of the Geneva Conventions - Genocide.

Two words - military tribunals.

 

STRAUSDD

9:01 PM ET

May 21, 2011

(1) You are the blind one if

(1) You are the blind one if you think American mistreatment of Native Americans is a thing of the past. Just read the wiki article on Reservation Poverty. Why are most of the poorest counties in the United States Indian Reservations? More, as recently as the 1980s the Indian Health Service sterilized Native American women without consent.

(2) The argument that Israel is the source of Middle East anti-Americanism can no longer hold. The US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, killing of OBL and alliance with the house of Saud are major much larger sources. More, the conflict and anger at Israel is fueled by Arab governments to distract their people from Authoritarian rule and economic disenfranchisement. Does anyone really think that in a world without US support for Israel anti-Americanism would cease?

 

SHMAISS

2:52 AM ET

May 22, 2011

Learn The Facts: Q & A

Question:

How could Israel hold on to the homeland of another nation, the Palestinian nation? What about the moral injustice of occupation?

Answer:

To call Israel occupiers of the West Bank and Eastern Jerusalem is akin to calling the U.S. occupiers of New Jersey.

First and foremost, the Bible—a book embraced by billions of Muslims and Christians as the word of G-d—states clearly that the entire country, including the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem, is G-d’s eternal gift to the Jewish people. Read the Bible and draw your own conclusion.

We, the American people are a moral people who bow our heads before truth. The Jews should state the truth without shame: “Israel is occupying nothing but its own land; the Creator and Master of the entire world gave this land to the Jews.”

Second, the entire concept of a “Palestinian people fighting for their ancient homeland occupied by the Jews,” is nothing short of a lie, a myth that has become an accepted truth in the American press.

Let us reflect on some history:

Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., 2,000 years before the birth of Islam. Forty years later, in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews conquered the Holy Land and enjoyed dominion over the land for a thousand years. Even after the Babylonians and then the Romans put an end to the Jewish sovereignty, Jews continued to reside there throughout all of their history. In short, the Jews have had a continuous presence in the land of Israel for the past 3,300 years.

What about the “Palestinian people”? Israel did not seize the West Bank and Old Jerusalem from a “Palestinian nation.” Such a nation never existed in the history of mankind. Israel captured these territories from Jordan’s King Hussein and the Gaza Strip from Egypt after they declared war against the Jewish state. It was only in 1967, following the Six-day War that Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a “Palestinian people.” One can’t help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war but not during the “Jordanian occupation”?

The answer to this enigma is that there has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are regular Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, Egyptians, etc., who have all lived for hundreds of years under Turkish rule, and then, after World War I, under British rule. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There is no such an entity as a “Palestinian people.”

The first time the name Palestine was used was in 70 C.E. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. This region was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, after World War I, by the British.

Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine in 1867. This is how he described that land: “A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”

Where was this great Palestinian nation? It did not exist. It was not there. Palestine was a region under the control of Turkey.

Many people are unaware that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920. Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941. The borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. To state that Israel “robbed” the Palestinian people from their homeland is simply not true.

Question:

Why can’t Israel just withdraw to its pre-1967 borders and put an end to the present conflict?

Answer:

The present conflict between Israel and the Arabs has absolutely nothing to do with the 1967 occupation. Consider the following facts:

1) The Palestinian Liberation Organization, known today as The Palestinian Authority, was founded in 1964 at a time when the “occupied territories” were under Jordanian control. There was not one Jewish settlement in the territories, nor any Jewish “occupation.” Yet the charter of the PLO from 1964 till this very day states as its goal “the destruction of Israel.” (Yes, even the present charter of the Palestinian Authority calls for the destruction of Israel.)

2) What compelled Israel in 1967 to capture the territories? Five Arab countries—Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Lebanon joined by Saudi Arabia—contrived a plan to annihilate Israel and “drive the Jews into the sea.” Israel fought back and won the war, including the territories from which they were attacked.

Israel never sought to occupy the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, or Gaza. The war which brought about the “occupation” was thrust upon Israel. Yet this crucial point is almost never conveyed in the international and American press.

Keep in mind that in 1967 the Arabs controlled 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represented less than one-tenth of 1 percent of the land mass. But even that was too much for the Arabs. They wanted it all. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

3) During the summer of 2000 at Camp David, Yasser Arafat was offered by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak 98 percent of the “occupied territories” and a first time ever Palestinian state with its capital in East Jerusalem. Arafat rejected the Israeli offer and initiated 20 months of bloodshed in Israel. Arafat pocketed every Israeli concession, turned his territory into an armed camp and then launched a vicious terror war that has lasted more than three years and killed more than 1,000 Israelis.

4) In the summer of 2005, Israel withdrew completely from Gaza, which it obtained in the 1967 war. Not even on an inch of land remained under Israeli occupation. The then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon believed that with not a single Jew left in Gaza and with the Israeli occupation over, the Arabs living there would now be driven to create a functioning state, and security would increase for both sides.

Alas, the exact opposite occurred. Hamas swept into Gaza and turned it into a terrorist infrastructure, with a clear objective: to destroy Israel. The result was increased rocket attacks from unoccupied Gaza targeting Israeli civilians on a daily basis.

The widespread notion that the murder of Jews in Israel has anything to do with the “occupied territories” is a myth. The territories are merely being used as a justification to exterminate Jews and destroy their land.

Question:

Still, why can’t Israel demonstrate goodwill by putting an end to the “occupation” and declaring Palestinian statehood? This would foster hope and put an end to the psychology of violence.

Answer:

For one to demand this gesture from Israel one needs to be either foolish or cruel. It is akin to demanding that a person with cancer give his malignant tumor uncontrolled rein in one part of his body. Such a “gesture” would secure his death.

Arab terror, just like the terror we experienced on 9/11, is a cancer. The thousands of fighters in the territories are not opposing Israel’s right to a particular piece of land. They don’t recognize Israel’s right to any of the land. They do not recognize Israel’s right to exist. To make peace with cancer is an act of war; to declare war against cancer is an act of peace.

Sadly, even today, the charter of the so called moderate Palestinian Authority calls for the destruction of Israel. Every single territorial concession Israel has ever made, only increased violence, and never brought peace even an inch closer. Arabs have used the ceded territory to launch attacks on Israel and murder its civilians from closer proximity. Concessions have also demonstrated to the Arabs, that terror is effective, and if the terror continues, they will receive yet more land.

Has the education curriculum in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza been altered to start teaching children about the importance of peace and co-existence? Have the Imams during their weekly sermons in the Mosques changed their jargon exclaiming that Israel is not the face of the devil? Have Arab communities stopped naming streets and quarters after suicide bombers who murdered Israeli civilians?

Sadly, nothing of this has occurred. No one in the international community even demands it as a prerequisite for peace negotiations. While Israeli schools teach that peace is our greatest ideal, in every single Arab school without exception Israel is portrayed as the enemy of G-d which must be obliterated. With these realities unaltered, giving away more territories, removing roadblocks, ceasing construction of Jewish homes, would bring more war not peace.

The creation of a Palestinian state would be a tragedy for innocent people throughout the region, Jews and Arabs alike. You don’t give a state to people who want to see your children burned alive and your teenagers blown to pieces. Such people you destroy. If not, they will destroy you and thousands of more innocent people the world over.

The very negotiations about a “Palestinian state” are dangerous. It is these types of negotiations that have granted legitimacy to terrorists and have encouraged them to continue on their path of destruction.

How could intelligent people say, “In the end Israel will have to return to the negotiations table?” Israel has been negotiating land for peace for years now; it has given the Arabs virtual control over 90 percent of the territories. What has it brought Jews? Blood, blood and more blood. Clearly, another solution must be sought.

Question:

How can Israel justify the suffering of so many innocent Arabs in the territories?

Answer:

Every decent human heart goes out to the pain of innocent Arab children, women and men. Their suffering should evoke the compassion of all moral men. But let us be clear on the matter: Their suffering has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. Their profound agony is the result of the Arab and Palestinian leaders who have in a most cynical way used them as weapons in their bloody battle against Israel, robbing them from any prospect of a brighter future.

This abuse of the Arab refugees by their leaders began back in 1948. The refugees were encouraged by Arab leaders to leave Israel, promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left their homes without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

Out of the 100 million refugees after World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that was not absorbed or integrated into their own peoples’ lands. As Prime Minister Netanyahu pointed out today in the White House, Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey. Yet the Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Why? Because cynical Arab leaders realized that the true value of the refugees was not as Arab brothers but as pawns to be used against Israel.

Question:

Much of the international community, the academia and the press condemn Israel. Many claim that Israel abused and sometimes even massacres Palestinians in the territories. Is it possible that Israel is right and the whole world is wrong?

Answer:

Let us not be ashamed to respond with clarity: You bet your life it’s possible! It is true now and it’s always been true. Abraham gave the world ethical monotheism and the whole world fought him. Moses taught the world individual freedom and universal morality and the world’s super-power was against him. Just 65 years ago the entire world watched in silence as 1.5 million Jewish children went up in smoke. Was the whole world right then, too?

Universal morality and the value of life was the Jewish gift to the world. At a time when the whole world was accustomed to slaughtering children to the pagan gods, the Jewish people, alone in a hostile world, declared the word of G-d, “Thou shall not kill.”

If we had listened to the world then, murder today would be legal. If we listen to the world now, terrorism tomorrow will become the norm.

How cynical, how cruel it is to accuse Israel of the massacre of civilian Palestinians. The entire culture of the Jewish state is based on the value of every single human life. Israel has always sacrificed its children in order to secure the safety of Arab civilians. Israel restrained itself for years in the territories despite ongoing killings of Jewish children, women and men.

In the history of the Jewish state, how many Jewish suicide bombers have blown themselves up in Arab communities?

How many Arab buses were blown up by Jews?

How many Arab pizza parlors, malls, discotheques and restaurants were destroyed by Jewish terrorists?

How many airplanes have been hijacked by Jews?

How many Ramadan feasts were targeted by Jewish bombs?

How many Arabs have been lynched in Israeli cities, or Arab Olympic athletes murdered by Jews? How many Arab embassies have been bombed by Jews?

How many mosques, cemeteries and religious schools were fire bombed or desecrated by Jews in North Africa, France, Belgium, Germany, England or any other country?

How many Jewish schools contain books claiming that Arabs poison wells, use Christian blood to bake pita, control world finance and are the work of the devil? How many claim that Arab elders meet secretly to plot a world takeover?

And now, the Arabs have the chutzpah to continuously accuse Israel of massacres! And the entire world follows suit?

Question:

The Arabs claim that they are fighting against the brutal Israeli occupation, which has stripped them from their dignity and humanity.

Answer:

It would be foolish to claim that “Israel never did any wrong” to Arabs living throughout the territories. Of course, Israel has made errors. Yet the fact remains that the Arabs living under Israeli rule enjoyed more civil rights than Arabs living in almost any Arab state. The Arab press in the West Bank has been among the liveliest and freest in the Arab world, and it routinely attacks its “occupier.”

When was the last time a Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan or Saudi publicly attacked one of his or her leaders? How is Syria treating its protesters as I write? And Iran? And Libya?

Question:

So, what is the solution to the conflict?

Answer:

As long as the status of the entire country remains ambiguous, the terror campaign against Israel will continue. As long terrorists see the opportunity to seize more land and attack Israel from closer proximity, they will not cease their agenda. Israel should stand up and put an end to the ambivalence around Jewish ownership of the land; it must stop intoxicating the terrorists. Israel must state clearly that “Until the culture and education of the entire Palestinian population does not change, there will be no more negotiations on even a single inch of the land of Israel. We have attempted to negotiate land for peace with our neighbors; we have offered them 98 percent of the territories and an independent state side-by-side with our state. Yet they have reciprocated by sending suicide bombers to our pizza shops, cafés, supermarkets and streets. They have blown to pieces hundreds of innocent Jewish men and women. One cannot give land to leaders who have taught their people to celebrate Jewish death.”

Israel should allow anybody who wishes to depart for another country to do so. Then it should go in and reclaim its permanent sovereignty over all of the territories. This will save not only countless Jewish lives, but also scores of Arab lives. It will once and for all purge the region from continuous bloodshed and terror.

Israel’s concessions due to intense world pressure were foolish. Politics superseded security; morality was defeated by fear. To demand Israel’s withdrawal from any territory is asking the Jewish State to help commit suicide. That it should get any encouragement from the United States or from its secretary of state is a disgrace and is similar to one demanding from a surgeon to stop the surgery before finishing because the sight of blood is repulsive. The short-term cover-up of the terror nests will only allow the long-term blossoming of the terror organizations.

The best way to bring about genuine peace in the Arab-Israeli war is by Israel putting an end to any future negotiations on the land. Israel must assume full security and military control over all of the territories under the united banner of a single country, Israel.

This is not an occupation. It is the land of Israel, given by G-d to the Jewish people. It is moral and just. Let’s set the record clear once and for all: This is Jewish land, not Arab land. The Arabs who wish to desist from killing Jews will enjoy cultural and religious freedom, civil rights, gender equality and freedom of expression, privileges most of them have never experienced in their own countries. Those who cannot tolerate living under a united Jewish country should be welcomed to emigrate.

All other suggested paths are merely romantic delusions that will bring continued grief to innocent Jews and Arabs. Let all Jews and people of moral standing unite and encourage Israel in its campaign to bring life and peace to all good people in the region, Jew and Arab.

 

ZUFADHLI

10:51 PM ET

April 24, 2011

agree that Israel is only a liability to US

I can't see that what is Israel have contribute to US... All I can see that US have contribute to Israel since the war began...

Maybe Israel have been support US with something that we didn't know... All I can see that the war only drags US with further liability because it seems that the war is not going to end... not soon enough I think

 

JACK14

11:42 PM ET

April 24, 2011

They're a great ally!

Our meddling in the region has had virtually no blowback and they rarely transfer spyplane and missile technology to our next great rival, China. In fact, there's been hardly any espionage at all committed against us by our "friend."
I mean except like the Pollard, Kadish, and Franklin cases or the US legislators owned by AIPAC.

And only *once* have they strafed one of our naval vessels!

 

LEEN

10:58 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Illegal Settlements

And those illegal settlements have just kept growing. Hey and what about that four part report that Fox News Carl Cameron reported about just after 9/11 about Israelis based communication companies that have access to 95% of all American phone calls. You can watch that four part report at Information Clearing house. ADL, Jinsa and others forced Fox to take down that report from their website

But hey God talked to Moses from a burning bush and told him that land belonged to the Jews. How in hell do people believe in this hooey

 

ANDREW.R

11:13 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Ridiculous

You know that our ally Great Britain burned down Washington DC.
Leave the past in the past.

 

LEEN

11:42 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Dead is dead

You sound like Obama and crew in tow. "move on, next chapter, turn the page" don't look at that pile of dead, injured and displaced bodies in Iraq. Now why is it that when it comes to genocides only the Jews and many others who are never mentioned are endlessly mentioned in our media. But when it comes to other genocides even the more recent one in Iraq..."just move on"

And just dismiss the Israeli massacre of Palestinians in the Gaza

 

LAURENC

4:50 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Israel

Israel is a liabilty and the Gallop poll was crap..... all the Americans I know have had it with Israel. They must be polling the Congress.

 

LAURENC

4:53 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Oh Mr. fake Marine, Israle

Oh Mr. fake Marine, Israle just lovs false flags. Ever notice how the "terrorists" bombs always seem to drop in unoccupied areas? A death once in a while is good for the media. The only terrorists are the israelis themselves. If you need fighter jets, tanks, tear gas and other weapons to take out some kids throwing rocks, then what you need is therapy for the fact that your brain is psychotic.

 

ALEXARAMUS

9:06 PM ET

April 26, 2011

In order to understand

In order to understand Israel, we have to understand its founding fathers

Ben Gorion one of the fathers of modern terrorism (it is not a coincidence that he is a founding father of Israel too) who was responsible for terrorist acts against British soldiers and Palestinians said:

"I don't understand your optimism. Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out."

Ben Gurion also said " We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
Unfortunately the apple does not fall far from the tree. The current Deputy Prime Minister was a former member of the established terrorist group Kach, who equally hates Arabs.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

12:18 AM ET

April 29, 2011

Leen, Kindly Take Your Meds

Your schzoidphrenia and self-hate is showing. Besides, you're giving aid and comfort to imbeciles who hate America as much as they hate Jews - and Christians.

 

FORREST SMTIH

12:04 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Don't ever forget

the USS Liberty. And how many billions have we given them since that atrocity?

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

5:35 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Military mistake? The

Military mistake? The surviving crew of the U.S.S. Liberty begs to disagree but what would they know?

 

F1FAN

8:13 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Don'y Ever Forget

The USS Liberty. This is the only point that ever need be made. Israel is a terrible 'ally'. Israel and Israeli security forces have killed more Americans than any Palestinian terrorist group.

 

LEEN

11:06 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Facts are objectionable

One morning on CSpans Washington Journal a caller brought up Israel bombing the USS Liberty and Peter the host said where did you get this information? The caller said it is a fact, there were hearings. Peter continued to challenge the caller.

Camera the pro Israel media watch group is pressuring C Spans Washington Journal. Claiming that callers asking legitimate questions, "USS Liberty, illegal settlements" etc are "anti semitic.

The pro Israel media watch group Camera is attempting to shut down information, questions, comments about the Israeli Palestinian issue at C-Spans Washington Journal. I had noticed that over the last 1O years or so more folks were calling in to Washington Journal with more legitimate facts, questions and comments about the conflict. There have been even more calls coming through after Former President Jimmy Carter’s book “Palestine Peace: Not Apartheid” and Walt and Mearsheimers book “The Israel Lobby” came out. But the last several years it appears that the host of Washington Journal have been quick to cut callers off, interrupt them or challenge them when there are legitimate questions or criticisms about Israeli policy or US support for Israel’s policies. The host seem to quickly interrupt callers when they bring up illegal Israeli settlements, the Wall, checkpoints, etc etc. Prior to this noted change the host only challenged callers when they criticized Washington Journal

Although host have consistently been quick to cut people off when they are anti Jewish, anti Muslim, racist in any way shape or form, the host cut them off.

Here are the links to Camera’s effort to shut down the debate on C-Spans Washington Journal. Go check it out. Some of the calls are edgy. But the majority of callers bring up the Israeli bombing of the USS Liberty, the Wall, the influence of the Israeli lobby, the illegal settlements in the West Bank and illegal housing in E Jerusalem and Camera calls all of these facts “anti semitic”

Call C Span. Encourage them to keep their program open to the facts on this issue. Ask them to go back to their old format when you could go to their site and watch and listen to the whole show. Now when you go to the site the open phone segment is often missing. I am wondering if there is some type censorship going on through the process of elimination and editing? This is just a question at this point. Their new format is odd.

Go google Camera Washington journal anti semitic or CSpan watch

 

LEEN

11:18 AM ET

April 25, 2011

foreign aid

Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid, Egypt next. Believe Israel's cut is one fifth of what the US puts into foreign aid
foreign aid to Israel
google FAS foreign aid to Israel

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LEEN

11:20 AM ET

April 25, 2011

USS Liberty

Great interviews with USS Liberty survivors at Democracy Now
43 Years After Surviving Israeli Attack on USS Liberty, US Veteran Joe Meadors Seized by Israeli Forces on Gaza Aid Flotilla

Joe Meadors was on one of the other Free Gaza boats that was seized early Monday morning. For Meadors, this marks the second time he has been aboard a ship attacked by Israeli forces in international waters. In 1967, Meadors was a signalman aboard the USS Liberty, a US Navy electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was attacked by Israeli planes and torpedo boats in 1967. Thirty-four Americans were killed and more than 170 were wounded in the attack. [includes rush transcript]

 

LAURENC

4:57 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Mr. Marine = Zionist troll

The Palestinians only get a few million a year... what lies you tell. Does the Mossad have you on their pay? Israel has sent out thousands of bloggers to fight truth with lies and try to make us all feeel guilty. Sorry, no pity for Isr-hell.
If you are a US Marine, then rip the flag off your uniform and go fight for the IDF. They need more loyal scum like you.

 

CHARLIE IN NY

8:10 AM ET

April 26, 2011

The USS LIberty reconsidered

Before he became Israel's ambassador to the US, Oren was a well regarded historian. About five years ago, the until-then classified transcripts from the Israeli Air Force and Navy became available to researchers and support the view that the attack was a fog of war mistake. Prof. Oren's article may be found here for those interested: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty1.html.
Those who claim a deliberate attack always appear to rely on odd or far-fetched rationalizations such as the Israeli's were trying to hide/cover-up something from the Americans (such as their "real" war aims, the wholesale slaughter of thousands of Egyptian POWs or some such outlandish story to support a pre-concieved view of intentionality). In some instances, these theories seem to rely on the old staple of outsized "Jewish power." After all, short of essentially co-opting the US government at its highest levels, how and why would the US ignore this deliberate attack? An old prosecutorial adage says, "never blame on conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." It is generally true that, when looking back on disparate facts, anyone with any imagination can conjure a link, sometimes plausible sometimes not, that seems to explain it all. However, when confronted with additional information that contradicts their theory, the intellectually honest person will change his conclusion accordingly. It seems to me that, given the contemporaneous transcripts, it behooves those who still maintain that the attack was deliberate to come up with facts, not speculation or slogans, to explain why these should be disregarded.

 

SALUBRIUS

10:42 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Americans killed by Arabs commencing with Robert Kennedy in 1968

1974 Killing of two American Diplomats in Khartoum, ordered by Arafat
1. 1979 U.S. Embassy take over in Teheran_taking Americans hostage for many months.
2. 1982-91 Kidnapings of 10 Americans in Lebanon
3. 1983 Suicide truck bombing of U.S embassy, Beirut_
4. 1983 Suicide truck bombing of U.S. Marine barracks, Beirut_killing 241 Marines
5. 1983 Bombing of U.S. Embassy Annex in Kuwait_
6. 1984 Suicide bombing attack of U.S. Embassy Compound, Beirut_
7. 1984 Hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 221_
8. 1985 Restaurant bombing, Madrid_
9. 1985 Hijacking of TWA 847, Algiers, Beirut_
10. 1985 Bombing Rhein-Main air base, Frankfurt_
11. 1985 Hijacking of cruise liner Achille Lauro, Port Said, Egypt_
12. 1985 Hijacking of Egyptair 648, Malta_
13 1985 Rome and Vioenna airport grenade and gun massacres_
14.1986 Bombing of TWA flight 840_
15. 1986 La Belle Disco bombing, West Berlin_
16. 1988 Pan Am Flight 103 bombing, Lockerbie, Scotland_
17. 1993 Gun attack on CIA employees, Langley, VA
18. 1993 First World Trade Center bombing, NYC_
19. 1994 Jewish Cultural Center bombing, Buenos Aires_
20. 1995 Bombing of U.S. Military Complex, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia_
21. 1996 Bombing of the Khobar Towers, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia_
22 1996 Osama bin Laden's "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."_
23. 1998 Bombing of US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. _
24. 2000 Bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, Aden, Yemen_
25. 2001 Destruction of World Trade Center, NYC _
26. 2001 Attack on the Pentagon, Washington, DC_

The bombing of the USS Liberty was a mistake as comprehensively documented by Judge Jay Cristol in "The Liberty Incident". Ten official US investigations have come to the same conclusion.
The unofficial Arab journal, the Washington Report for Middle East Affairs, keeps bringing it up so we won't forget about it. So do callers to C-Span who don't like Israel, Israelis or Jews.

There is much talk about Jews killing Arabs and Muslims, however in all the wars in Palestine and Lebanon only about 60,000 Arabs or Muslims were killed. During the same period of time many millions of Arabs and Muslims were killed by other Arabs and Muslims. See: "A Home Made Genocide" http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/483/521.html

The Arabs in Palestine have become expert in killing Jewish Children. Recently in murdering the Fogel family in Itamar they even cut the throat of a two month old infant, as well as a three year old and another small child. The two children that remained stayed alive only because the Arabs couldn't find them.

And how many billions have we given to the Arabs?

 

SALUBRIUS

10:44 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Americans killed by Arabs commencing with Robert Kennedy in 1968

1974 Killing of two American Diplomats in Khartoum, ordered by Arafat
1. 1979 U.S. Embassy take over in Teheran_taking Americans hostage for many months.
2. 1982-91 Kidnapings of 10 Americans in Lebanon
3. 1983 Suicide truck bombing of U.S embassy, Beirut_
4. 1983 Suicide truck bombing of U.S. Marine barracks, Beirut_killing 241 Marines
5. 1983 Bombing of U.S. Embassy Annex in Kuwait_
6. 1984 Suicide bombing attack of U.S. Embassy Compound, Beirut_
7. 1984 Hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 221_
8. 1985 Restaurant bombing, Madrid_
9. 1985 Hijacking of TWA 847, Algiers, Beirut_
10. 1985 Bombing Rhein-Main air base, Frankfurt_
11. 1985 Hijacking of cruise liner Achille Lauro, Port Said, Egypt_
12. 1985 Hijacking of Egyptair 648, Malta_
13 1985 Rome and Vioenna airport grenade and gun massacres_
14.1986 Bombing of TWA flight 840_
15. 1986 La Belle Disco bombing, West Berlin_
16. 1988 Pan Am Flight 103 bombing, Lockerbie, Scotland_
17. 1993 Gun attack on CIA employees, Langley, VA
18. 1993 First World Trade Center bombing, NYC_
19. 1994 Jewish Cultural Center bombing, Buenos Aires_
20. 1995 Bombing of U.S. Military Complex, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia_
21. 1996 Bombing of the Khobar Towers, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia_
22 1996 Osama bin Laden's "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."_
23. 1998 Bombing of US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. _
24. 2000 Bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, Aden, Yemen_
25. 2001 Destruction of World Trade Center, NYC _
26. 2001 Attack on the Pentagon, Washington, DC_

The bombing of the USS Liberty was a mistake as comprehensively documented by Judge Jay Cristol in "The Liberty Incident". Ten official US investigations have come to the same conclusion.
The unofficial Arab journal, the Washington Report for Middle East Affairs, keeps bringing it up so we won't forget about it. So do callers to C-Span who don't like Israel, Israelis or Jews.

There is much talk about Jews killing Arabs and Muslims, however in all the wars in Palestine and Lebanon only about 60,000 Arabs or Muslims were killed. During the same period of time many millions of Arabs and Muslims were killed by other Arabs and Muslims. See: "A Home Made Genocide" http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/483/521.html

The Arabs in Palestine have become expert in killing Jewish Children. Recently in murdering the Fogel family in Itamar they even cut the throat of a two month old infant, as well as a three year old and another small child. The two children that remained stayed alive only because the Arabs couldn't find them.

And how many billions have we given to the Arabs?

 

SALUBRIUS

10:44 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Americans killed by Arabs commencing with Robert Kennedy in 1968

1974 Killing of two American Diplomats in Khartoum, ordered by Arafat
1. 1979 U.S. Embassy take over in Teheran_taking Americans hostage for many months.
2. 1982-91 Kidnapings of 10 Americans in Lebanon
3. 1983 Suicide truck bombing of U.S embassy, Beirut_
4. 1983 Suicide truck bombing of U.S. Marine barracks, Beirut_killing 241 Marines
5. 1983 Bombing of U.S. Embassy Annex in Kuwait_
6. 1984 Suicide bombing attack of U.S. Embassy Compound, Beirut_
7. 1984 Hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 221_
8. 1985 Restaurant bombing, Madrid_
9. 1985 Hijacking of TWA 847, Algiers, Beirut_
10. 1985 Bombing Rhein-Main air base, Frankfurt_
11. 1985 Hijacking of cruise liner Achille Lauro, Port Said, Egypt_
12. 1985 Hijacking of Egyptair 648, Malta_
13 1985 Rome and Vioenna airport grenade and gun massacres_
14.1986 Bombing of TWA flight 840_
15. 1986 La Belle Disco bombing, West Berlin_
16. 1988 Pan Am Flight 103 bombing, Lockerbie, Scotland_
17. 1993 Gun attack on CIA employees, Langley, VA
18. 1993 First World Trade Center bombing, NYC_
19. 1994 Jewish Cultural Center bombing, Buenos Aires_
20. 1995 Bombing of U.S. Military Complex, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia_
21. 1996 Bombing of the Khobar Towers, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia_
22 1996 Osama bin Laden's "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."_
23. 1998 Bombing of US Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. _
24. 2000 Bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, Aden, Yemen_
25. 2001 Destruction of World Trade Center, NYC _
26. 2001 Attack on the Pentagon, Washington, DC_

The bombing of the USS Liberty was a mistake as comprehensively documented by Judge Jay Cristol in "The Liberty Incident". Ten official US investigations have come to the same conclusion.
The unofficial Arab journal, the Washington Report for Middle East Affairs, keeps bringing it up so we won't forget about it. So do callers to C-Span who don't like Israel, Israelis or Jews.

There is much talk about Jews killing Arabs and Muslims, however in all the wars in Palestine and Lebanon only about 60,000 Arabs or Muslims were killed. During the same period of time many millions of Arabs and Muslims were killed by other Arabs and Muslims. See: "A Home Made Genocide" http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/483/521.html

The Arabs in Palestine have become expert in killing Jewish Children. Recently in murdering the Fogel family in Itamar they even cut the throat of a two month old infant, as well as a three year old and another small child. The two children that remained stayed alive only because the Arabs couldn't find them.

And how many billions have we given to the Arabs?

 

SALUBRIUS

3:38 PM ET

April 26, 2011

A qquestion of intent

The issue is not whether the Israelis attacked the Liberty. They admit that they did and paid compensation. The only question is whether they did so knowing it was an American warship or thinking it was not.
For all the facts see Jay Cristol, "The Liberty Incident". It is comprehensive. You will find out such things as the US told the Israelis they had no ship nearby, two, a telegram sent to the ship warning it to stay away went to South America before it was delivered to the Liberty, too late.
When an Israeli torpedo boat, thinking that the attack might be a mistake, approached the ship, the crew members fired a 50 calibre machine gun at it even thought the Captain of the Liberty had ordered them to withhold fire.
How can the members of the crew know what the intent was unless they are mind readers. Ten official investigations resulted in findings that it was not an intentional attack on an American vessel.

 

ALEXARAMUS

9:08 PM ET

April 26, 2011

This was a whole bunch of

This was a whole bunch of lies, care to provide sources but please don't use Zionist sources they are as good as forgery, use decent sources if you can

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

10:56 PM ET

April 28, 2011

He's A Marine, Laurenc, and You're Just A Silly, Stupid, but

Mean Fascist Pig.

The IDF saves American lives. The IDF works with our Armed Forces, and has supplied equipment that has saved countless AMERICAN lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. Your Paly friends either butcher us or cheer those who do. Go and live with them. Have the courage of your convictions, you ignorant Nazi wannabe.

REAL Americans support Israel. Those who support the Palestinians also support Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda and the thugs of Ahmedinjedad and Assad who rape and murder young girls on the streets of Tehran and Damascus. E tu, girlieboy Laurenc?

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

8:07 AM ET

April 29, 2011

Forrest, F1 and the USS Liberty

Of course Forrest, who is rapidly revealing himself to be a Nazi, or if he isn't, is certainly cheating Herr Duke of his dues, will bring up the Liberty. Unfortunately I guess he also wants to hang every American soldier who ever mistakeningly fired on his own buddies. Or maybe pin a medal on those in Hezbollah who murdered our Marines...not to mention maybe giving those who danced in the streets of Gaza after 9/11 another 1.3 Billion as Obama did so they can buy more weapons from Iran. As for F1, spoken like a true Moslem pissant. Document where IDF personnel killed Americans OUTSIDE of the Liberty - and if you bring up the Hitlerjugend wannabes of International Solidarity with Palestinian Moslem roach feces, well, sorry, that doesn't count.

Crawl back to your sewers, boys. The corpse of your beloved Adolf isn't there. And Forrest, do get off of Native American land your ancestors ILLEGALLY appropriated.

 

IBRANCHE

12:22 AM ET

April 25, 2011

This reaction to

This reaction to Mearsheimer's and Walt's book (without explicitly citing them) makes a point Israel and the US are not only linked because of the Lobby.
This article does not mention the influence of AIPAC, and it should have if it was to be unbiased, but it is not what you really expect from Israel Ambassador.
Rather it explores ideas Mearsheimer and Walt have put aside such as the empathy and the similarity of values between the American and the Israeli people. They miht have also exaggeratly describe the strategic liability that this alliance represent, as well as the representation of Israel as a non-reliable ally.
This article tries to exploit these ideas.
It is a good thing that the article didn't try to blame realists for anything else that their alleged mistakes by the way.
Reality's somewhere in between.

 

LEEN

11:44 AM ET

April 25, 2011

neo, theo, oil cons

neo, theo, oil cons come together

 

BLUM

12:30 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Ambassador Oren, for the sake of our alliance

please push for the resignation of Mr. Lieberman.

You do your job with honor, but your boss is one who spits on democracy, diplomacy, and all that is respectable about Israel.

The ideals of Ben-Gurion are being, and have been, crushed by a corrupt thug who wields Zionism as a club. I can live with a Likud, a Kadima, or a Labor government. But the prospect of a Yisrael Beitainu government is becoming more and more likely as the years go on.

 

LEEN

11:49 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Moshe Dayan

Had just read awhile back that Moshe Dayan was against illegal settlements:

Moshe Dayan on Settlement in Hebron--"A Real Disaster"
Settlement Report | Vol. 7 No. 4 | July-August 1997
July-August 1997 Settlement Report

* News
* Palestinian Population Continues to Shrink in East Jerusalem
* Netanyahu Presents His "Allon-Plus" Final Status Map
* To Our Readers
* Status of Settlements in the Occupied Territories
* Moshe Dayan on Settlement in Hebron--"A Real Disaster"
* Economic Constraints to Settlement Expansion
* U.S. Reaffirms Support for Natural Growth of Settlements
* Back Panel Quote

On April 27, 1997, the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharanot published interviews conducted by correspondent Rami Tal with former minister of defense Moshe Dayan in 1976. The following are excerpts from these interviews, which Dayan had requested not be published without his permission.

Dayan: I can say that at the beginning of the Six-Day War, when it became clear that we were heading to an absolute victory, much bigger than we had considered, to me it was clear that most of the territories that we conquered would have to be returned the moment that there was a peace agreement. . . .

In the West Bank and Gaza Strip the situation is not clear from an international standpoint, because they belong neither to Jordan nor to Egypt. Here the solution has to be more with the Palestinians who live there, not with Jordan or Egypt. . . . Therefore Gaza and its environs will be possible to keep when peace comes--but Sinai, no.

It's the same thing on the Golan Heights, but more complicated. The area is smaller and closer to Israel's population, and it was used always for warlike acts against our population. In addition, we established many settlements there--which caused us only tremendous problems in October 1973. We almost lost the entire war because of them--and it will be difficult to go down [from the Heights]. I saw this directly, even during the Six-Day War.

Question: How did you see something like that?

Dayan: Because I looked with the eyes of the kibbutz residents. And I knew that the moment we got to the Heights, they would begin to take the land. And when there are communities [settlements] you don't leave. That was our strength in the War of Liberation. This was always power, but it interferes with making peace. . . .

Question: The last time we spoke you said that in two instances you failed to fulfill your duty as minister of defense. One was that you didn't prevent the conquest of the Golan Heights during the Six-Day War. What was the second?

Dayan: The second, and to my mind the worse instance, with more dangerous implications for the future, is the case of the illegal settlement in Hebron. . . . I think that in this case I should have threatened to resign, and I believe, had I done that, the government would have adopted my opinion. But I didn't do it, and about that I am very sorry

 

LAURENC

5:02 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Ben?

Are you nuts? He was the first terrorist of the new land!!! Look it up. He set up the genocide and helped destroy 400 Palestinian villages (yeah, people lived there prior to Jews) and did all he could to start a country with violence while using the Holocaust as an excuse to kill.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

8:15 AM ET

April 29, 2011

For Leen, Re: Dayan and Settlements

One, you sorry idiot. Those Settlements are NOT Illegal.

Two, where the vast majority of anti-Semites living in North America are, well, they appropriated land ILLEGALLY and they're a bunch of cowards with no guts, no principles, just spewing hate and vomit.

Three, and you, you sick fool, play right into them. You prove to me that Israelis are Racists and occupy Illegal land - without sourcing these Neo-Nazis or self-haters like Yehoshua Liebowitz or Norm Finkelstein WHOM they bring up - or go back home and take your meds, because you'd make a great Kapo - just like Soros.

And by the way, I'm not Jewish, just right.

You too, Blum - this site reeks of the rantings of Jew-bait and Christian hate, so every time you bring up an oaf like Lieberman, you play into these sick bastards. Incidentally I'd love each and every one of them to spend a month, even a week in Gaza. They'd come home changed - if their throat wasn't slit like that Italian ass.

 

BLUM

1:06 AM ET

April 25, 2011

What is the future of Israel?

Please Ambassador Oren, give guidance on the future instead of repeating the same old tropes about how Israel has been an ally in the past.

Whether you agree with Gideon levy, he makes a valid point that the government of Netanyahu, Lieberman, and Barak is not offering any vision.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/we-have-the-right-to-know-where-israel-is-going-1.357150

You were a historian first, a politician second. You know that Israel cannot be a strong ally if it itself is not built on firm foundations. Those foundations are crumbling fast, and the turmoil of the Middle East gives the US and Israel much less leverage than it has in the past.

 

PROCIVIC

1:45 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Sixty Years is Enough

Sixty years of Israeli propaganda aimed at the American public is wearing thin. The anlysts the author speaks of ar those who have finally realized the U.S. is losing the goodwill of billions of people around the globe and damaging its own interests by supporting in every way possible an artificial state that is bent on expansion at the expense of its more legitimate neighbors, every one of which Israel has been at war with. Today it has widened the scope of its aggressive behavior by regularly "leaking" plans to bomb Iran. Who's next?

 

JOHNRDKIDD

3:03 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Netanyahu and Israel are not innocent, and neither is Hamas

Both Israel and the Palestinians have an evidenced and valid claim to the land between the Sea and the River - and both are well aware of this - yet although Ben Gurion freely acknowledged that fact, now Netanyahu and Hamas deny it!

And so global peace is continually threatened, day after day as the US fuels the arms race in the Middle East under the pretext of ‘democracy’, by the shipment there of ever increasing amounts of arms, whilst using its veto in the UN Security Council, time after time.

The killing of civilians is a terrorist act under the Geneva Conventions subscribed to by all the major powers in the world – but the settlement of occupied territory by the occupier is also an illegal act of the utmost gravity.

Terrorism by both Israel and the PLO is a crime against the other that must now finally cease after over 60 years. The global community is sickened and tired by the killings on both sides. Unless both parties acknowledge the validity of eachother’s claim, then the UN, the US and the EU should discontinue all ties including trade, defence and aid.

Netanyahu and Israel are not innocent, and neither is Hamas or the PLO.

 

JBROCKLE

3:13 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Possibly

one of the most biased articles I have ever read, but then that is to be expected. The number of holes in this article is almost beyond counting.

Something that particularly gets me is the author's assertions about Britain. As I'm sure the author is aware, the IDF might be larger on paper than the British military, it is completely stupid to suggest a superiority in capabilities. When Israel can support 10,000 soldiers in Afghanistan (at a cost of more than a 1/3 of their annual defence budget) then I'll admit they're more 'likely to act as American allies in the realist sense.

It is so tempting to go on a massive rant about this whole article, but I guess there's no point.

 

KRIFAI

3:32 AM ET

April 25, 2011

America needs Israel now more than ever

What America really needs, when it comes to the Middle East, is an even handed policy that is true to its Founding Principles (as declared and not necessarily as practiced) and not influenced by lobbies and special interest groups. The Ambassador speaks of Israel as a country that shares Americas Founding Spirit. This is true only if this "Founding Spirit" was actually based, again in principle, on Ethnic Cleansing and Occupation.
By the way, a functional democracy that deprives more than 25% of its citizens of their rights, treats them as second class citizens, occupies others land and kills innocent civilians and claim that they're collateral damage is anything but a true functional democracy.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

6:42 AM ET

April 26, 2011

One state solution vs. apartheid

America chose the one state solution instead in which all people of all races, creeds and colors are citizens once it realized that the "two state solution" -- aka "separate but equal" -- would never be anything more than apartheid in sheep's clothing.

 

FRED_J9

4:23 AM ET

April 25, 2011

help ??

does america need help?? no kidden !! you don't have to say it, cuz, we all know america is israel's daughter, certainly Israel won't let her daughter down , see this article at oujda

 

JOHNRDKIDD

4:25 AM ET

April 25, 2011

AIPAC's influence must be curbed in the interests of democracy

It is unacceptable that in the 21st century, a minority pressure group acting in the interests of a foreign state should still be able to influence the election of members of Congress and/or the Senate.

The Obama government should legislate to redesignate such lobby groups as agents of a foreign state and as such to be precluded from influencing the election of any official to any office in government or in the legislature.

Then, and only then, will America return to genuine democratic principles of government. That should be a prime focus of Barack Obama's second term in office.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

5:32 AM ET

April 25, 2011

America's founding father,

America's founding father, George Washington, begs to disagree:

"So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests."
-- Farewell address to the nation, 1796

 

DRLAKE777

6:33 AM ET

April 25, 2011

According to your own

According to your own definition, Israel isn't much of an ally. It only partially shares our values, being a religious and ethnically-based state. I can't figure out how it reflects our founding spirit, though I'll give you the resonance with our beliefs. It doesn't stand with us, but rather we stand with it, since Israel has provided little benefit but generated many liabilities for US national security. It may provide useful intelligence, but provides little in the way of bases, training, or other support for US forces. While the Israeli military is undoubtedly formidable, when was it deployed in support of US military operations? I'm thinking never. Sorry, ambassador, but the US alliance with Israel is based on residual guilt and propaganda, not any actual benefit to the US.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

7:39 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Israeli Foreign Legion

As a former legionnaire in the Israeli Foreign Legion you should know.

 

RICK GEIGER

6:06 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Jew Haters

The Jews haters always crawl out from under their rock and fill the web with BS and then say that we are conflating criticism of Israeli policies with Jew hating...except that Israel just happens to be the only country in the world that gets its existence questions and actually warred against every day and why is that?? Because it is Jewish. The fact is the the Jews are the indigenous people of Israel, similar to the Native Americans here, and yet we have imperialist Arab and Muslim states continually claim that the Jews live in occupied territory. Yes, it has been occupied by the Jews for over 3300 years and I know that for a fact because we can trace names from today back at least 3300 years. Tell me one other nation in the world that can do that? Amb. Oren is a brilliant man and his article is right on point, but the fact is that the Jew haters will never be happy unless American and Jewish values are extinguished from the Middle East and replaced with islamist values based on misogyny and hate and murder

 

DANIEL GREEN

8:51 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Oh, Ambassador Oren

I remember when you were one of the few even-handed Israeli historians who focused on the Middle East. Six Days? Fantastic. Power, Faith and Fantasy? Amazing.

It's so sad to see you take your entire life's work and so easily contort it to the kind of ideology and twisted self-view shared by the likes of Avigdor Lieberman. I suppose it was bound to happen, since it is your job to unabashedly, unapologetically represent the interests of Israel. It's a shame. I trusted you, once upon a time.

 

LEEN

9:36 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Oren is a racist . Period

Millions of Americans have not supported the unbridled support for Israel no matter what they do for decades. Many have been lobbying their reps for decades for a far more sensible and just foreign policy. Thank goodness for Edward Said, Ilan Pappe, President Jimmy Carter, Archbishop Tutu, Charles Freeman, El Baradei, Vanessa Redgrave, Norman Finkelstein, former weapons inspector Scott Ritter, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, Kathleen and Bill Chrisitison, Senator Fulbright ,Art and Peggy Gish and so many more for exposing the facts about what is really going on in that conflict.

Micheal Oren is a a mad man. A racist whose policies we should not continue support.

The claim that that land belongs to Jews because they say they talked to god thousands of years ago. Is a bunch of hooey. One of the oldest land scams in the world.

 

LEEN

12:23 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Oren is a madman and a racist

Oren is a madman and a racist

 

LEEN

12:24 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Liar too

Forgot to mention liar too

 

DANNY BLACK

2:39 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Yeap repeating something makes it true

Edward Said was a documented liar, he couldn't even be honest about his birthplace - which was Egypt not "Palestine" - and he was about as Palestinian as Osama Bin Ladin who also had a dad who had a home in Jerusalem. Finkelstein is a failed "academic", Freeman is a shill for the Saudis and Chinese. Illan Pappe can't even get the location of Deir Yassin right in his books and the rest are what? 4th rate actresses living off their dad's name? failed CIA analysts? An anti-American Egyptian currently running as a patsy for the Muslim Brotherhood?

You hate the US so much that you only follow people who also hate the US?

 

LEEN

9:49 AM ET

April 25, 2011

How many times do we have to

How many times do we have to hear Queen Noor, King of Jordan, former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit, many other former CIA middle east analyst, historians, former Presidents of the US, IAEA officials, UN officials who keep repeating that this unbridled support for Israel is what has and continues to fuel hatred towards the US in that part of the world?

Hell the 9/11 Commission report even mentions how this "special relationship" has and is undermining US National security. Who you going to believe Micheal Oren or the expanding list of experts on the middle east who say that US foreign policy that supports Israel as they continue to expand illegal settlements and illegal housing in E Jerusalem undermines US National Security and Israel's( 67 border) security?

Real friends do not support their friends building illegal settlements.

The occupation undermines Israel
The destruction of Palestinian homes undermines Israel.
The wall built partially on internationally recognized Palestinian land undermines Israel
The illegal settlements and illegal housing in E Jerusalem undermines Israel..
Illegal settlers humiliating Palestinian shepherds undermines Israel

Micheal Oren is undermining Israel based on the 67 border

Come over here for in depth discussions on the I/P conflict
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/04/two-upcoming-goldstone-events-in-chicago-the-bay-area.html

 

ALEXARAMUS

9:27 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Yeah, we are all so sick of

Yeah, we are all so sick of Israeli propaganda and thebullshit that they invented the internet, cell phone and personal computers.

If you look at Israeli claims of science and technology, you will think that they have like 300 Nobel prizes or something, but the fact is that Israel has about a handful of Nobels some of them were peace prizes given to Israeli Presidents who happen to be also war criminals and former terrorists.

If Israelis were so damn clever why don't they stop living off our tax payers? Why is Israel the biggest parasite on the US?

Why don't all the Zionists in the US get the f*** out and go live in Israel at their own expense instead of spying on America?

 

BABYLON100

10:25 AM ET

April 25, 2011

polls on israel support

it is strange that 70-80 % of americans support israel , according to official polls!!!, but when i read these posts , and i read a lot of them , the numbers seem to indicate 70-80 % opposition to aipac and israel. Hmmmmm.. could something be messing with the numbers ?

 

LEEN

11:37 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Wall of Silence coming down

When Americans have been lulled into sleep with the endless "America loves Israel, they are our best friend, their agenda is our agenda" propaganda for 60 years what would anyone expect. It has only been in the last 10 years or so (thank goodness for the internet) that those with legitimate questions, information and facts having to do with the I/P issue have been able to unite on this issue.

With folks like Carter, Mearsheimer, Walt, Finkelstein and so many more pounding the pavement and so many truth tellers over the last 50 years who have mostly been pounded into the ground...the titanic plates are shifting on this issue. The wall of silence is coming down.

Not that we have seen it change policy... or stop illegal settlement expansion yet

 

HOUSTONIAN

8:47 PM ET

April 25, 2011

RE: Polls

I find that strange as well. It seems the numbers just do not add up here. For example, I work at a Houston drug rehab center and everyone is constantly doing polls - and there is always a discrepancy with the numbers. However, not as large as the 70%-80% support vs. opposition.

What could that 'something' (or someone) be that/who is messing with the numbers?

 

SIDROCK23

10:35 AM ET

April 25, 2011

don't forget the U.S.S Liberty

anyone remember the cowardly attack on the U.S.S Liberty by israel where many U.S navy men were killed by our so called great ally , best friend, and little baby who we have been breast feeding for the past 30 years? To those who believe in unconditional support for israel, is it worth for u to see america become the main target because of what israel does? is it worth sending billions in aid to israel while our own education system and health system rots? is it worth getting into a war with iran because israel is telling us to do so? is israel worth the life of american blood and security? if so, then get then hell out of america.

 

SIDROCK23

10:38 AM ET

April 25, 2011

US Marine85, card carrying member of AIPAC

why is this "US MARINE85" going around commenting on every single comment that is put up criticizing israel? this is another tactic by the card carryign member of AIPAC.u wanna bang israel that hard, leave ur U.S papers and move to tel-aviv traitor.

 

ALEXARAMUS

9:31 PM ET

April 26, 2011

US Marine, why don't you get

US Marine, why don't you get the f*** our of the US and go to live in ZioFascist Israel with your family of child murderers.

Why do you live in the US you f***ing traitor? You have more loyalty to Israel than to the US.

No wonder, every once in a while a Zionist American gets caught spying for Israel on his own country the US.

Israel and AIPAC have long spied on U.S., officials say
Israel has one of the most dangerous and active spy operations against the US
http://www.haaretz.com/news/la-times-israel-has-long-spied-on-u-s-officials-say-1.133798

 

DMOLONEY

10:56 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Whats with the likudniks

Whats with the likudniks using us military sounding names on these threads

 

LEEN

11:31 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Israel rebranding

Might be part of Israels rebranding campaign efforts

Truth and advertising
Posted By Stephen M. Walt Wednesday, May 13, 2009

 

LEEN

11:11 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Google Move Over Aipac.

Google Move Over Aipac. Please come to this event in D.C.. Great speakers lobbying day, protest outside of Aipac

11am – 1pm: Keynote Address with John Mearsheimer, Stephen Walt, and Medea Benjamin

 

BLOGAS

11:12 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Don't also forget how close

Don't also forget how close we are to Saudi Arabia, even after we KNOW that their royal family had been funding Al Qaeda and how the Prince of the UAE Mohamed Bin Zayed was friends with Bin Laden (going on hunting trips) even after Bin Laden did the East African embassy bombings.

 

LEEN

11:28 AM ET

April 25, 2011

The Price of Loyalty

In Ron Susskinds book "The Price of Loyalty" former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O Neil in 43's first administration talks about how soon after he started investigating Saud family ties into funding for some of the 9/11 terrorist he was soon given the boot by Cheney and team.

Great book

 

BLOGAS

11:14 AM ET

April 25, 2011

But hey God talked to Moses

But hey God talked to Moses from a burning bush and told him that land belonged to the Jews. How in hell do people believe in this hooey.

 

BLOGAS

11:17 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Who you going to believe

Who you going to believe Micheal Oren or the expanding list of experts on the middle east who say that US foreign policy that supports Israel as they continue to expand illegal settlements and illegal housing in E Jerusalem undermines US National Security and Israel's( 67 border) security.

 

LEEN

10:31 AM ET

April 27, 2011

You are full of poison and

You are full of poison and lies. Do you ever stop attacking people and personally insulting? You do sound like an illegal settler

 

LEEN

11:23 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Aipac espionage investigation

Reading the case files of the Aipac Rosen espionage files is an interesting read.

One more investigation into Israeli spying shut down. Hell our MSM did not even whisper about this investigation and 9 time and finally dismissed trial.

Remember Jane "waddling on over to interfere in the investigation" Harman's role in that investigation. No I lobby influence in that investigation or dismissed trial.

 

SALUBRIUS

4:26 PM ET

April 26, 2011

The DOJ agreed to a dismissal of the Rosen case with prejudice

They withdrew it when they found they had no evidence of the type the Judge thought was necessary for them to win. It was many years before it was withdrawn and the outrageous lies told about Rosen and his colleague still rest in the minds of many.

At the time of the litigation, AIPAC threw Rosen to the wolves and he sued AIPAC. I think AIPAC settled -- for a lot. Rosen is now doing an excellent job for the Middle East Quarterly

 

LEEN

10:32 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Folks should go read the

Folks should go read the Aipac espionage case files. There was plenty of evidence. Enough pressure and meddling from Jane harman and other Israeli firsters helped shut it down.

 

LEEN

11:54 AM ET

April 25, 2011

Oren "Far from peripheral,

Oren "Far from peripheral, this "restorationist" movement flourished in colonial America and widely influenced the Founders: Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin wanted the likeness of Moses leading the children of Israel to serve as the Great Seal of the newly independent United States."

Thomas Jefferson is deservedly a hero to American Jewry. His was one of the few voices in the early republic fervently championing equal political rights for Jews. Jefferson’s Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia is a classic American statement of religious toleration. Significantly, while Jefferson championed the rights of Jews and other religious minorities, he did not do so out of respect for Judaism but because he respected the right of every individual to hold whichever faith they wished.

Jefferson’s advocacy of civic equality for American Jewry began as early as 1776, when he co-sponsored a bill – which the Virginia legislature ultimately defeated – which would have allowed the naturalization of Jews, Catholics and other non-Protestants as Virginia citizens. During the debate, Jefferson quoted John Locke’s argument that “neither Pagan nor Mahamedan nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the Commonwealth because of his religion.”

Four decades later, in 1820, Jefferson wrote to the Charleston Jewish physician, Dr. Jacob De La Motta, that “religious freedom is the most effectual anodyne against religious dissension.” Jefferson told De La Motta that he was delighted to see American Jews assuming full social rights and hoped “they will be seen taking their seats on the benches of science as preparatory to their doing the same at the board of government.” Subsequently, referring to the reading of the King James version of the Bible in public schools, Jefferson expressed his belief that it was a “cruel addition to the wrongs” Jews had historically suffered “by imposing on them a course of theological reading which their consciences do not permit them to pursue.” To Joseph Marx of Richmond, Jefferson expressed “regret . . . at seeing a sect [the Jews], the parent and basis of all those of Christendom, singled out for persecution and oppression.”

While Jefferson advocated for Jewish liberty, he held certain aspects of Judaism in low regard. In fairness, Jefferson opposed all religions based on divine revelation. He believed that God’s existence could be proven by reason and common sense rather than faith. A detractor of all priests, he found those of the Hebrew Bible “a bloodthirsty race, as cruel and remorseless as the being whom they represented as the family of god of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, and the local God of Israel.”

In 1787, Jefferson summed up his view of Jewish revelation in a letter to his nephew, warning him to be skeptical of “those facts in the Bible which contradict the laws of nature.” As one example, he cited the assertion in the Book of Joshua that the sun stood still for several hours. Since that would have meant, in scientific terms, that the earth stood still, Jefferson asked his nephew to consider how the earth, spinning on its axis, could have stopped suddenly and started rotating again without enormous destruction to natural and manmade structures. Similarly, the rationalist Jefferson doubted that God personally inscribed the Ten Commandments on a tablet which Moses later destroyed and then re-wrote.

It bothered Jefferson that the God of the ancient Hebrews was, in his words, “a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust.” He could also not understand how Jews could believe that “the God of infinite justice” would “punish the sins of the fathers upon their children, unto the third and fourth generations.” He agreed with the view expressed by John Adams that, in respect to God, “the principle of the Hebrew is fear.”

Jefferson thought that reason and logic demanded a belief in an afterlife, an area in which he found Judaism deficient. Jefferson argued that, without fear of punishment beyond the grave, individuals lacked an incentive to behave well and that, without hope of reuniting with loved ones, family commitments and friendships would lose their gravity. Since a definitive afterlife was not universally accepted in Judaism, Jefferson thought it a religion without utility.

Despite his reservations about the perceived “defects” in Judaism, Jefferson never wavered in his commitment to civil and religious freedom for Jews. Jefferson’s most notable achievement in establishing religious and civic toleration for American Jewry was his 1779 Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia. Adopted in 1785, the Bill proclaimed: “No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess. . . their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise . . . affect their civil capacities.”

Two years later, in 1787, the U. S. Constitution was adopted. Article VI contains the following, Jefferson-inspired phrase: “No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

Despite his attitude toward Judaism as a religion, Jefferson’s advocacy of the rights of Jews –and those of other religious minorities – has become the law and custom of the land. Toleration of all religions, the absence of an official government religion, and the right to practice and express religious thought freely are the hallmarks of Jefferson’s legacy. Despite his private views of Judaism, he was indeed a most “righteous Gentile.”

 

LEEN

12:43 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Oren's title should read

Oren's title should read "Israel needs to manipulate the US now more than ever"

 

STEVENCOOL103

3:06 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Re: Comrade Oren's article

Doubleplusgood article comrade Oren, you'll be sure to get a ration increase! Israel is our ally. Israel has always been our ally.

 

NOWSWIMBACK

3:28 PM ET

April 25, 2011

With a friend like Israel, who needs enemies?

For those of you defending our "ally" don't forget that Israel purposely carried out the attack on the USS Liberty killing 34 American soldiers. Don't forget the innumerable amount of Israeli spies who have stolen sensitive military info and sold it to enemy nations such as Red China. Don't forget that 85% of those convicted of spying on us for the USSR were Jews, many of whom fled to Israel to avoid prosecution. Don't forget Jews such as Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, who were fried in the electric chair for giving the Soviets the atom bomb, thus starting the Cold War and everything that followed, including the arms race.

And don't forget that the only reason we are so unpopular in the middle east is precisely because we provide this criminal nation with weapons that they use to brutalize their neighbors, thus resulting in attacks on us like 9/11, and meanwhile our own borders are wide open and we are being invaded by the Third World (take a guess who is behind that).

Those of you who are true Americans need to reconsider who your loyalties are to: your own country, or Israel. You can't serve both. No man can serve two masters.

“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.” — John Sheehan, S.J.

 

NOWSWIMBACK

8:05 PM ET

April 25, 2011

WW2 - Jewish war, Middle east wars - Jewish wars

The Barbary Coast is a part of Africa, not the middle east. And the truth about World War II is that the Nazis were no threat to us whatsoever. The main threat to us, and to all of Europe, including Germany for that matter, was communism, and it was pushed primarily by the Jews. Even General Patton realized this after the war.

And this is the same corrupt system that has been ruling over the world ever since, and is why the world is in chaos. The Nazis may have been the enemy of the US govt, but not the American people. The American people themselves are now considered enemies by the US govt. The point is that just because our Jewish-run govt says someone is America's enemy doesn't mean that they really are. Hence your Nazis united with Iran argument = our enemies, has just been obliterated.

The US and middle eastern countries, Iran included, had very good relations with the US before the establishment of Israel. And Israel has not got any weapons that haven't come from the US or Europe (the Muslims see both as 'the West').

Michael Scheuer is right: if we would simply stop propping up Israel, most of the problems in the mideast would eventually subside. Being Israel's only ally has brought us down from being the most loved country in the world, to the second-most hated - second only to Israel.

And the truth is, as I pointed out in my first post, that Israel is not really our friend either. Jews teach that they are supposed to destroy Gentile nations.

 

CARTILAGE

11:27 AM ET

April 26, 2011

lolz marine

you are a massive failure. you just got owned and your first reaction is to throw the antisemite card.

give it up fool. you're not convincing anyone here with your b.s., save for a couple of hardcore zionist trolls

 

JOHNSPRITZER

3:58 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Ethnic Cleansing is why Israel became Palestine

What Israel is doing is as wrong as the Native Americans would be in getting armed by China - their racial brethren - and forcibly seizing the United States from all the White Christian Europeans and putting them into "containment zones". If the whites refused to give the land back and started terror gangs and the Native Americans fought back they would be condemned by the UN and all global "ethics" groups that in fact would support the White - and genocidal - Imperialist in their cause. This would then be made into the worlds largest and most important issue to defame the Native Americans and convince the world to ignore the justice they are due all in support of the White Imperialist agenda.

Israel is fighting a war or liberation and it has the oldest claim on that land by thousands of years. The Christian and Islamic imperialists are just clouding the issue and using Israel as a scapegoat to hide their truly evil and global scale empire building efforts by defaming a native peoples liberation movement. Israel/Judea was renamed Palestine when the Romans exiled the Jews and practically erased their presence in the land using genocide and murder. Later the Islamists and the British continued this injustice by denying the Jews the right to their land and support local Arab regimes that themselves were the colonial remnants of previous Islamic empires. Now the indigenous people return to Israel and the world is outraged! This defamation is occurring in multiple places in the world where native peoples are denied their rights. The reservation system and forcible assimilation of the Native Americans is a similar situation in the United States.

If you as a White Christian Europeans or Arab Islamic Imperialists do not like Israel and deny it's right to exist then move back to England or Europe and give your land back to the Native Americans who still have a legally valid claim on your house and all your posessions. If you are an Arab Islamic Imperialist then simply leave all of Africa, Turkey, Iran, Bosnia and Central Asia and return back to the Arabian peninsula and allow those peoples to return to their ancestral religions. If you are not willing to do this then leave the Israelis alone and allow them to retake their homeland...

 

JOHNSPRITZER

4:48 PM ET

April 25, 2011

You did not read the article correctly...

A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically [ ***almost***] identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.]

You missed the "almost identical" part, almost as identical as the Native Americans and the White Europeans who committed wholesale genocide on them. But because they both share a common Eurasian gene-pool this is ok because White Europeans are really the same as Native Americans anyhow. Is an orange the same as an apple because they are fruits?

You are seriously ignorant to the real history of the Middle East. The Israeli's, Egyptians, Persians and Mesopotamians had their own language and cultures and distinct religions that were more similar to the Ancient Greeks then to Islam. The Middle East was largely Zoroastrian, Jewish and Christian - by freewill choice - and not Muslim. The Arabs were relegated to the peninsula for most of their history though they did trade in the region they never settled in any of the countries outside of the Arabian Peninsula. They only spread over the region when they started a large Imperial campaign to forcibly convert the population to Islam and begin wiping out local populations to make the entire Middle East Arab. Ever wonder why you have black Africans in Iraq and Iran? Because they were imported by Arab slave traders.

However seeing as your White Christian Imperialist ancestors did very much the same thing to the Native Americans, Black Africans and other native peoples I would reason that your zealous support of the Palestinian claim is a support of the legacy of Imperialism...

 

SHELLC0DE

4:17 PM ET

April 25, 2011

how true

@Forrest Smith - I couldn't agree more with you. I think we need to cut them loose and worry about our own country in these tough times. Posted by Stacy Hanson at Best Cookbooks

 

FREDDYRICHMOND92285

1:12 PM ET

April 30, 2011

Cutting Loose

How can you sit back and watch from afar as tyrants and murderers run amok in countries they consider nothing more than a personal playground. christening gifts Cut them loose and let them get slaughtered? Shame!

 

SMYTHSON

4:47 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Absolute historical nonsense

Who does Oren think he is with his historical revisionism?

THE FORBEARS WHO LANDED on Plymouth Rock in 1620 considered themselves the founders of a "New Israel." Committed to studying Hebrew and bridging the Old and New Canaans -- the Holy Land and America -- they pledged to restore the Jews to their ancestral homeland.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/09/opinion/09horwitz.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/books/30horw.html?pagewanted=all

Committed to studying Hebrew? For what purpose?

This sounds like hasbara desperation, and I resent the Israeli Ambassador trying to co-opt American history for his own purposes—How Dare You!—and introducing the one thing the Pilgrims did not want when they came here: freedom from religious persecution of any sort.

 

AVILLA

7:36 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Desperation.

That, children, is the sound of Israel helplessly clinging to the Cold War-era canard that Israel serves America's interests and the Middle East would collapse to "evil mullahs" without it. The truth, of course, is that there is nothing Israel fears more than a free and democratic Arab world. How then will they convince the Americans to pay taxpayers' money for their illegal settlements? Without being the "Middle East's only democracy" (TM), how will they justify a 100:1 "collateral damage" ratio? When the Arabs are freed from the dictators who have beaten them and stolen from them for decades and begin the long path towards financial success, how will Israel convince their friends in America that those billions of dollars in aid should go to The Jewish State (TM), instead of the vastly more important growing Arab economies? Tsk tsk. What a tragic time for our Israeli allies.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

9:13 PM ET

April 25, 2011

The Ultimate Albatross

You can't serve two masters. Either you serve the United States or you serve in the Israeli Foreign Legion.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

1:36 AM ET

April 26, 2011

T is for Treason

You've sided with the government of a foreign power against the servicemen of your own country, the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty, who are seeking nothing more than to finally have a fair hearing from their own government.

 

SMYTHSON

2:38 AM ET

April 26, 2011

This jerk is no US Marine

He's copping a US military stance but he's pure Israeli ziobot through and through. You can tell from his talking points, straw men, and his anti-American arguments.

 

CAL

11:46 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Oren

...you are really whistling thru graveyard.

Americans are wising up and turning against Israel and the whole USA-Isr con game on the American people hand over fist and you write this drivel?..LOL

What?...it's not enough the zionist and Israel revise and make up their own mythical history...now you are trying to revise America's to make it all about Israel?

This is so bizarre it would be funny if it didn't indicate how delusional you Israelis are.
If I were you I would stay in the embassy and not venture out in public spouting this stuff or some insulted American is liable to slap you up the side of your head.

 

COMETLINEAR

11:59 PM ET

April 25, 2011

Excellent article

I actually learned a few things. And I thought I knew it all ;-)

 

EMATTA

1:12 AM ET

April 26, 2011

The US doesn't 'need' anybody

Sorry to say, but it's as simple as that. The US doesn't need Israel - Israel needs the US. Which country is the superpower? Not Israel. The US stands by itself, and doesn't need a third-rate power halfway around the world telling us what to do. Really.

 

SMITHMASON

1:33 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Queue rant...

For a group of people who ride the sympathy wave of being persecuted in the Holocaust, they seem to enjoy violating human rights. We use white phosphorus weapons, cut electricity and water to starving people so they can't farm or live, shoot unarmed protestors, CHILDREN, and even americans, as well as violate international law by boarding a peace ship in international waters and executing peaceful aid volunteers... But yeah, as a Houston criminal defense attorney, I agree: we should totally support them! /sarcasm

Just some fun things to remember about all of this:
1. Palestinians are not occupying Israel. Israel is occupying Palestine.

2. Suffering is not even remotely comparable. Israelis kill much more Palestinians than other way around. They destroy their houses, keep them in siege and steal their water.

3. Majority if Israeli parties have it in writing in their party platform that whole "Land of Israel" (includes Palestine) belongs to Israel (only justification for this is their religion). Party like Kadima who would be ready to trade the land for peace, still thinks so. Israel would still govern the "free Palestine" like South Africa was governing bantustans.

4. Israel is constantly adding more settlements into Palestine. When peace negotiations fail, they start adding houses. When they go back to negotiation table, they insist that Palestinians must accept these settlements.

 

ONECA

1:53 AM ET

April 26, 2011

Good points. People really

Good points. People really enjoy reducing complex problems to the point where they become indistinguishable from the babbling of toddlers. Never mind the fact that Israel has a terribly unworkable political system which encourages centrifugal pluralism. Never mind that the military encourages open reporting of everything soldiers do, and then Israel's authoritarian neighbors focus public anger towards Israel in order to distract people from their own shitty government, both factors contributing to what seems like an excess of misconduct.

Is the whole situation shitty as hell and on some counts likely criminal? Yeah, you could easily make that case. But people don't want to hear about all the things which call into question the knee-jerk reaction they formed originally. Of course anti-Semitism (sorry, is it just "anti-Zionism now? I don't hate Jews, I just don't want them to live in the country they feel was given specifically to them by God, a major part of their religion) doesn't help, though neither does Islamophobia on the opposite side and the overly offended people on both sides who claim anti-___ism at the drop of a hat.

And if I haven't managed to offend pretty much everyone at this point... Israel's neighbors don't actually like Palestine either. But the Saudi peace plan a few years ago was backed by nearly fucking everyone, and Israel's terrible government messed it up. So if people are specifically "pro-Palestine," it's no one's fault but Israels now. wolf diamonds

 

CAL

2:39 AM ET

April 26, 2011

From MRW and American

MRW April 26, 2011 at 1:53 am

I feel the same way; moreover, it is just factually and historically WRONG. Dead wrong. The Jews that were here before the Pilgrims were the Spaniards, rich Spaniards who arrived in the South via the Caribbean (slaves and cotton).

The Great Seal was created in honor of the Continental Congress by John Hanson, the first American President in either 1781 or 1782 in fucking Philadelphia. The same Great Seal that Monica kneeled on. The same Great Seal that Jefferson (I think) cried they could not inaugurate George Washington without in 1789. John Hanson was a freeman, half Swedish, half either black (or mulatto). (He’s the guy who created the first war dept, treasury, post office and something else, and the only President in US history to be elected unanimously.) He came from Maryland and had nothing to do with the Pilgrims; moreover, the Great Seal was his idea. So was proclaiming the third Thursday of November as Thanksgiving. (You can find the original doc online. Clinton was wrong when he said that Lincoln did it.)

This putz Oren obviously wouldn’t know American history if it hit him on the head

 

PIPKIS

3:52 AM ET

April 26, 2011

I'm sorry

Good points. America need place where to keep bases. America need oil. This is my thinking.
Android stuff

 

XTIANGODLOKI

12:40 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Mentioning Israel and you are guaranteed a flame war

The comments here are far more entertaining than the article itself.

 

SAMANTHA.ELLIOTT

2:19 PM ET

April 26, 2011

What has Israel done for us?

What has Israel done for us?

 

IAN

2:50 PM ET

April 26, 2011

I'm sure this is a well thought-out article

But I stopped reading at the "it goes back to the Pilgrims" thing. That he would blatanly attempt to bring in the American Patriotic ideal at the very beginning, well. Have you ever heard anything from someone that you know is just so wrong or messed up it makes your stomach turn? Yea, that's what it did for me.

I grew up believing whole-heartedly in the Israeli State. I still absolutely believe they have a right to exist and wouldn't ever want to see that taken away from them.

The problem isn't that the US is a staunch ally of Israel, it's that the alliance is one of give with no questions asked and no action taken when Israel steps over the line of right to exist and enters the realm of forward defense lines versus enemies (foreign occupation?), real and presumed, or blockading the Gaza Strip for however many years. Or continuing to allow settlers to build in places that both the UN and its own government say shouldn't be built in.

When their own government can't (won't?) control their own, why should the US continue to back them without reservation? But that becomes a problem because too many people equate asking questions with "you're an anti-semite". Or not asking questions means you're Anti-Palestinian and wholey believe in the Apartheid Regime.

Why is there no middle ground for these (supposedly) adults? It's either you're an Anti-Semite or part of the New Apartheid Order. It all seems so wrong, so messed up, doesn't it make you want to throw up?

 

LTRINITYL523

3:03 PM ET

April 26, 2011

this is the worst FP article I have ever read

Israel is only an ally because we fund its very existence. And we get nothing back in return.

 

ALEXARAMUS

8:06 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Israel is an enemy to the West

Israel and AIPAC have long spied on U.S., officials say
Israel has one of the most dangerous and active spy operations against the US
http://www.haaretz.com/news/la-times-israel-has-long-spied-on-u-s-officials-say-1.133798

70 rabbis protest arrest warrant against Rabbi Dov Lior who advocates murdering gentile civilians
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=207738

Rabbi published a Jewish text book encouraging Jews to kill young gentile children
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=185389

Rabbi advocates Kosher prostitution
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/israeli-rabbi-honey-pot-sex-is-kosher-for-female-mossad-agents-1.317288

Israeli minister is willing to holocaust Palestinians
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/29/israelandthepalestinians1
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL296121231

Rabbis are trying their best to bring the light of Zionism to Palestinian Christians and Muslims by massacring them.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/chabad-rabbi-jews-should-kill-arab-men-women-and-children-during-war-1.277616

Israeli education: Molding fascists, one student at a time
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/israeli-education-molding-fascists-one-student-at-a-time-1.344501

Chinese workers in Israel sign no-sex contract to gurantee the purity of Israeli blood
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/24/israel1

No wonder Israel is massacring Palestinian and Lebanese women and children. Even Israel's closest allies are not safe from the Israeli murder machine as when Israel murdered and injured 200 American soldiers in its attack on the USS Liberty and when Israel murdered the Turkish aid workers recently

It is quite amusing to hear a Zionist preaching human rights (as if Zionism has anything to do with humanity).

Zionism is so human that Zionists cooperated with Nazis against fellow Jews. Zionists also carried out terrorist attacks on Jews escaping from the Holocaust killing many of them as when they blew up a whole ship load of Jewish refugees.

Zionists are so human to the extent that Israel was established by Zionist Jewish terrorist groups like Irgun, Stern, Hagganah etc.

These Zionist terrorists massacred and dispossessed millions of Palestinians and later their leaders were ethnocratically elected to become Prime Ministers and Presidents of Israel like Gorion, Begin, Sharon, Peres, Shamir etc. They were all war criminals and terrorist thugs no wonder they became the most prominent of Israelis.

 

ALEXARAMUS

8:42 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Actually, all the links

Actually, all the links confirming the facts above are from Israeli media. Playing the card of antisemitism when you are dumbfounded by facts, right?

Got some more facts confirmed and reported by Israelis on major Israeli media outlets. As you suffer from the Downe Ziondrome, you still might not be able to grasp the significance of the FACTS

61% of Israeli men don't see forced sex with acquaintance as rape
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...-rape-1.337637

One in every three Israeli women has been raped or sexually assaulted, according to the latest statistics from the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel (ARCCI).
http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThes...aspx?id=170459

Two-thirds of calls to rape crisis centers are from minors
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...inors-1.202586

Israeli Judges claim girl raped by her father 'enjoyed' sex
http://www.haaretz.com/news/judges-c...ather-1.191246

It seems that Israeli journalist writing for Israeli media outlets are also "anti semetic", yeah right

 

ALEXARAMUS

9:01 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Some more facts to

Some more facts to ponder

Plenty of Israeli Prime Ministers were leaders of Jewish terrorist groups.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/images/IsraeliJewishTerroristsWanted.html

Sharon, Begin, Shamir, Peres etc. are all Zionist Jewish terrorists who committed massacres. They were the only terrorists in the world who were elected to become Presidents and Prime Ministers.

Read Lenni Brenner's 51 Documents:Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis

Only in Israel can a terrorist or a war criminal become a Prime Minister or a minister or President. It reminds me of the Aryan brotherhoods' motto "blood in, blood out".

In Muslim states, terrorists are fought and prosecuted but In Israel, terrorists are promoted to the highest possible office much like Nazi Germany. It only confirms that Israel is a Fascist society who ethnocratically elects terrorist scum of the earth because the majority of the Israeli society embraces the Fascist ideals of Zionist state terrorism.

 

ALEXARAMUS

9:36 PM ET

April 26, 2011

I notice that all my claims

I notice that all my claims are referenced with ISRAElI sources. I basically use Israeli sources to incriminate Israel which is more than fair and objective.

Your claims are void of any referencing at all, maybe because they are empty lies?

 

HOUSTONIAN

8:57 AM ET

April 27, 2011

zionism

You said, "Zionists are so human to the extent that Israel was established by Zionist Jewish terrorist groups like Irgun, Stern, Hagganah etc." - When you look at websites such as: http://www.zoa.org/ the zionist of America, it is clear what is happening. One of my good friends works at christian drug rehab center and we discussed Zionism this past weekend.

One of the posts the ZOA site mentions, "The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) has called upon Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu not to unveil any plan involving further one-sided concessions to Mahmoud Abbas’ unreconstructed, terror-sponsoring Palestinian Authority (PA). The ZOA’s call follows numerous reports suggesting that Prime Minister Netanyahu is imminently going to unveil a peace proposal encompassing further, major, one-sided Israeli concessions to Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority (PA). These concessions are rumored to include the withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces (IDF) from large parts of Judea and Samaria."

 

ALEXARAMUS

8:52 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Some more astonishing factual

Some more astonishing factual revelations about Israel and its "alliance with the West"

I wonder what did the Police do to monitor other communities that are well known for supporting state terrorism.

The Police should start spying on Syanim (local Zionist Jews who assist the Mossad in carrying out extra judicial assassinations and terrorist acts etc.)

Ex Mossad officer confirms the role of Syanim in aiding and supporting illegal terrorist and esionage activities carried out by Mossad.
Refer to By Way of Deception Making of Mossad officer and other works by Victor Ostrovsky.There is plenty of evidence if you do your own research on the role of Syanim in supporting Israeli terrorism and espionage against their home countries.

A good idea is to subject Israelis or those with connections to Israel to discriminatory profiling at airports to prevent the possibility of Mafia style executions, assassinations and terrorist acts carried out by Mossad.

 

ALEXARAMUS

8:53 PM ET

April 26, 2011

I think that the threat from

I think that the threat from Zionist terrorism shouldn't be ignored. After all, Israel poses an existential threat to Muslims and the West. Israel's 300 nuclear weapons are aimed at every Muslim and western capital and are ready to be sold to enemies of the free world . Peres was trying to supply nuclear weapons to Apartheid South Africa in an effort to foment a nuclear confrontation against the West.

Israel still spies on the US till now and there were even Israeli agents arrested for dancing on 9/11. There were various reports confirming that Mossad knew about 9/11 but didn't let the Americans know because 9/11 was good for Israel as Netenyahu confirmed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw
http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044

 

ALEXARAMUS

8:57 PM ET

April 26, 2011

Israel has committed way too

Israel has committed way too many crimes against the US to be forgiven.

Israel is an enemy of the US. Israel is a parasite state that sucked American blood and treasure

Now that there are more and more Zionists in influential positions in US governments they legally leak confidentials that jeopardise the security of the West to Israel.

Just google Israelis dancing after 9/11 interviewed on Israeli TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVdAOmUduEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

Mossad terrorism against US and the world is not less dangerous than Islamic extremism or Russian espionage.

At least Muslim extremists and Russian spies are prosecuted but Isreali spies and terrorists are let go because of their high profile connections in the White House and Western Goverments

 

ALEXARAMUS

9:41 PM ET

April 26, 2011

You forgot to mention some

You forgot to mention some useful facts about Israel was established by terrorist organisations who massacred and dispossessed hundreds of thousands if not millions of Pals.

Israeli Palmach fighter tells the truth about 1948 in video- only 3 and a half minutes long: http://sevendeadlymyths.webs.com/

In 1948, Arab states had to attack Israel when Jewish terrorists massacred and dispossessed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They had every right to prevent Jewish terrorist groups from establishing a state that threatens the existence of the Arab population.

 

LEEN

7:58 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Treason

The report which has to do with how much damage Jonathon Pollards treasonous actions undermined US national security is classified. Allegedly his criminal actions were more damaging than any other treasonous act in US history.

"Declassified Statement on Jonathan Pollard by Caspar W. Weinberger
by Caspar W. Weinberger, October 18, 2010

Editor’s note: The following statement (original format [.pdf]) was submitted to the District Court of the District of Columbia on March 3, 1987, by the former secretary of defense one day before Judge Aubry E. Robinson Jr. sentenced Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard to life in prison. Weinberger submitted a 46-page classified declaration (“in camera”) of damage caused by Pollard in January 1987 (upon which this unclassified declaration was based). It has never been fully declassified. Explanatory links provided by Grant F. Smith.

I am Caspar W. Weinberger, Secretary of Defense. I offer this declaration to supplement my in camera submission, which detailed the nature and extent of the harm defendant has caused to our national security, and to make known to the Court additional facts which have been brought to my attention. I also wish to address the defendant’s self-serving contentions [.pdf] that his espionage activities were intended only to aid Israel, and the suggestion that his actions should be viewed as mere technical violations of laws intended to keep sensitive information from actual or potential enemies.

It is difficult for me, even in the so-called “year of the spy,” to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant in view of the breadth, the critical importance to the U.S., and the high sensitivity of the information he sold to Israel. That information was intentionally reserved by the United States for its own use, because to disclose it, to anyone or any nation, would cause the greatest harm to our national security. Our decisions to withhold and preserve certain intelligence information, and the sources and methods of its acquisition, either in total or in part, are taken with great care, as part of a plan for national defense and foreign policy which has been consistently applied throughout many administrations. The defendant took it upon himself unilaterally to reverse those policies. In so doing, he both damaged and destroyed policies and national assets which have taken many years, great effort and enormous national resources to secure. Moreover, in light of the defendant’s continued disclosures of sensitive information for publication by the press, there is ample cause to believe that Pollard will continue to divulge classified national defense information without restraint.

I respectfully submit that any U.S. citizen, and in particular a trusted government official, who sells U.S. secrets to any foreign nation should not be punished merely as a common criminal. Rather, the punishment imposed should reflect the perfidy of the individual’s actions, the magnitude of the treason committed, and the needs of national security. Here, although the defendant had executed an oath to protect and safeguard classified information, he betrayed the public trust and the security of the United States in exchange for money. I believe these facts should be weighed heavily in fashioning the sentence to be imposed in order to protect the public confidence in our law, and restore the public’s confidence in our ability and commitment to protect U.S. security.

It is also relevant that Pollard has recently analogized himself to an Israeli pilot shot down behind enemy lines, and has stated his hope that he will yet be able to immigrate to Israel. Whatever else his analogy suggests, it clearly indicates that his loyalty to Israel transcends his loyalty to the United States. Nor, apparently, does any residual loyalty to the United States persuade him that he should protect U.S. national defense information at all. Only a few days ago, on February 15, 1987, the Washington Post published an article about Pollard. That article contained information purporting to reflect U.S. intelligence efforts. While I do not intend publicly to confirm or deny the accuracy of those statements, it is beyond cavil that, if true, such information should never be made publicly available. The defendant initially denied having been the source of the information, but when confronted with a polygraph examination on February 25, he acknowledged that he had either provided or confirmed certain of the information contained in that article by talking to a journalist. I have no way of knowing whether he provided additional information not published in that article, but I believe that there can be no doubt that he can, and will, continue to disclose U.S. secrets without regard to the impact it may have on U.S. national defense or foreign policy. Only a period of incarceration commensurate with the enduring quality of the national defense information he can yet impart, will provide a measure of protection against further damage to the national security."

 

LEEN

8:04 AM ET

April 27, 2011

And if you go to the IAEA's

And if you go to the IAEA's website you can read letters from one official after the next from that neighborhood over decades which call out Israel on their continued unwillingness to sign the Non Proliferation treaty and how that fact threatens peace and security in that part of the world. Israel started the arms race in that part of the world. And refuses to play by the same rules that they want their neighbors to abide by. The outrageous hypocrisy has been noticed.

google IAEA "Israeli nuclear capabilities and threat"

 

LEEN

8:11 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Fox news Carl Cameron Four Part Report on Israeli spying

Have you ever watched Carl Camerons report that was on Fox news soon after 9/11. It is now at Information Clearing House. I am not one of those individuals who believes for one second that 9/11 was an inside job. But according to Camerons report Israeli intelligence agents were tracking some of the terrorist for quite some time and may have not shared all information with US intelligence agencies.

So when these agents knew who what where and when was not shared completely

In this report Cameron also states that Israeli based communication systems Amdocs, Comverse Infosys have access to 95% of all American phone calls. Data mining going on and that their communication systems were allegedly infiltrated through a back door into that communication system.

It is a worthwhile report to watch and listen. There was a fair amount written about how the anti defamation league and other Israeli lobby organizations pressured Fox into taking this report down from their website

The four part report is at Information Clearing House

 

ALEXARAMUS

6:18 AM ET

April 28, 2011

The Zionist vigour in

The Zionist vigour in defending low life scum Zionist Americans who spy on the US is evidence that Zionists are a fifth column that conspires against the interests of the US and would breach its national security and sacrifice American blood and treasure for ZioFascist Israel.

America should prosecute AIPAC and every Zionist should be treated as a potential spy because facts tell us that it is American Zionists who are most likely to spy on the US biting the hand that fed them.

Right now, America is Israel's bitch, America is used and abused by the ZioFascist scum of AIPAC.

AIPAC is public enemy number one. AIPAC is the enemy within.

Americans wake up, it is time to take action against those who want to undermine American democracy, those who want to plunder American treasure, those who want America constantly at war for the interests of the ZioFascist scum state of Israel.

 

ALEXARAMUS

6:19 AM ET

April 28, 2011

Israel and AIPAC have long

Israel and AIPAC have long spied on U.S., officials say
Israel has one of the most dangerous and active spy operations against the US
http://www.haaretz.com/news/la-times-israel-has-long-spied-on-u-s-officials-say-1.133798

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/motherofallscandals.php

Israeli Spying: The Mother of all Scandals

 

AND REW

9:28 PM ET

April 26, 2011

What Our Country has Become

Yes, let's be honest. The US has become a whore, and every gentleman in the town wants a piece of it.

From the business lobby, to the unions, to the Saudis, and Israel being another one of those whose natural rights are being served here.

Mr. Oren, here we are. Billions of dollars for you, a few votes in this or that organizations. We are on sale. Grab as much as you can before it's too late.

 

SCOTTB23

3:34 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Now more than ever

With constant tension in the Middle East and Americas placement within Iraq and potentially Libya coming into question, having Israel as an ally would be a particularly wise move. Unfortunately, it also seems unlikely as it might appear the disparities between the two countries are somewhat inconsolable by now.

Perhaps it isn't too late for talks to be undertaken and some form of an alliance be created, it just seems to insurmountable with the other pressures on Israel at the moment. Pakistan seems to be becoming more and more important globally recently, and the US might find it foolish to get involved in such a bitter feud.

Scott Bass - Parkour Filmmaker

 

AARONJA

6:42 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Cyprus a good subsitute for Israel

Cyprus would seem to confer all of the same benefits as an ally that Israel does -- similar location in SW Asia, democratic values, strategic ports and airports, etc. It is even a member of the EU.
Also it has none of liabilities that come with supporting Israel.

I think Israel should realize that is quite dispensible and work to really resolve its problems with the Arabs to make itself a more attractive ally.

Ultimately, Israel needs the US, but the US really does not need Israel.

 

MATHISON HARRIS

8:13 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Money

I am all for the Israel alliance, and I think it is strategically important that we maintain a close working alliance. What bothers me is all the money we send them. It's not just government money, but the money that Jewish American citizens remit to Israel. It's money that we need more than them, and others need more than us.

 

LEEN

10:08 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Micheal Oren/Racist views Based on the Bible

This speech by Oren at a synagogue demonstrates his racist views. Let's not forget that the Bible was written by a bunch of Jewish guys with an agenda. Folks who claim that Moses talked to god who was a burning bush. Now Roman Catholics and Muslim etc dogma is just as crazy to me. But Micheal Oren does not look at the I/P issue in a pragmatic way based on facts

On Yom Kippur we read the Book of Jonah, one of the Bible's most enigmatic texts. It is also one of the Bible's shortest texts, weighing in at a page and a half, which is quite an accomplishment for this holiday. And it features one of our scripture's least distinguished individuals. Jonah--a man whose name, in Hebrew, means dove--not dov, as in Hebrew for bear, but dove as, in English, pigeon.

Yet this same everyman, this Jonah, is tasked by God with a most daunting mission. He is charged with going to the great city of Nineveh and persuading its pernicious people to repent for their sins or else.

Not such an unusual task, you might think. Twenty-first century life is rife with people who warn of the catastrophes awaiting us if we fail to modify our behavior one way or the other. Today we call them pundits, commentators who, if proven correct, claim all the credit but who, if proven wrong, bear none of the responsibility.

Jonah, though, cannot escape the responsibility. Nor can he dodge his divinely ordained dilemma. If he succeeds in convincing the Ninevehians to atone and no harm befalls them, many will soon question whether that penitence was ever really necessary. Jonah will be labeled an alarmist. But, what if the people of Nineveh ignore the warning and the city meets the same fiery fate as Sodom and Gomorrah? Then Jonah, as a prophet, has failed.

Such is the paradox of prophecy for Jonah, a lose-lose situation. No wonder he runs away. He flees to the sea, only to be swallowed by a gigantic fish, and then to the desert, cowering under a gourd. But, in the end, the fish coughs him up and the gourd withers. The moral is: there is no avoiding Jonah's paradox. Once elected by God, whatever the risks, he must act.

As such, the Book of Jonah can be read as more than morality play, but also a cautionary tale about the hazards of decision-making. It is a type of political primer, if you will, what the medieval thinkers called a Mirror for Princes. The Talmud teaches us that, in the post-Biblical era, the gift of prophecy is reserved for children and fools. In modern times, we don't have prophets--pundits, yes, but no prophets. Instead we have statesmen who, like Jonah, often have to make fateful decisions for which they will bear personal responsibility. If not a paradox of prophecy, these leaders face what we might call the quandary of statecraft.

Take, for example, the case of Winston Churchill. During the 1930s, he warned the world of the dangers of the rapidly rearming German Reich. The British people ignored Churchill- worse they scorned him, only to learn later that he was all along prescient and wise. But what if Churchill had become Britain's Prime Minister five years earlier and had ordered a pre-emptive strike against Germany? Those same people might have concluded that the Nazis never posed a real threat and that their prime minister was merely a warmonger.

Or consider Harry Truman who, shortly after assuming the presidency in the spring of 1945, had to decide whether to drop America's terrible secret weapon on Imperial Japan. Today, many people, including some Americans, regard the dropping of the atomic bomb on two Japanese cities as an act of unrivaled brutality, but what if Truman had decided otherwise? What if the United States had invaded the Japanese mainland and lost, as the US Army estimated at the time, more than a million GIs? Truman, the decision-maker, was either the butcher of Japanese civilians or butcher of young Americans. Either way he lost.

The quandary of statecraft: every national leader knows it and few better than Israeli leaders. They, too, have had to make monumental--even existential--decisions.

On May 14th, 1948, Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion had to determine whether to realize the two-thousand year-long dream of Jewish sovereignty in the land of Israel. But, by doing so, he risked an onslaught by overwhelming Arab forces against a Jewish population half the size of Washington, DC today armed mainly with handguns.

Another example: my personal hero, Levi Eshkol. On June 5th, 1967, Eshkol had to decide whether to unleash Israel Defense Forces against the Arab armies surrounding the Jewish State and clamoring for its destruction or whether to alienate the international community and especially the United States and be branded an aggressor.

Ben-Gurion's decision resulted in the creation of the State of Israel and Eshkol's in the immortal image of Israeli paratroopers dancing before the Kotel. Nothing is inevitable in history and in both cases the outcome might have been tragically different. Like Churchill and Truman, Ben-Gurion and Eshkol confronted the quandary of statecraft.

They also have to answer to their citizens. Unlike the prophetic leaders of antiquity, presidents and prime ministers are not selected by God but rather elected by the majority of their peoples through a democratic process. In America, the system was modeled on the Roman Republic in which citizens empowered senators to represent them in the distant capital. In tiny Israel, with its multi-party consensual style of democracy, the model is not Rome but rather ancient Athens. The American president, it has been said, represents 300 million constituents; Israeli prime ministers represent 7 million prime ministers.

Israeli democracy is rambunctious and intensely personal, placing the premium on individual participation. In our family, I can attest, my wife and I have never voted for the same party. Our son also went his own way politically. Together with his friends, he started a political party in our living room that now holds two seats on the Jerusalem municipality.

At 62 years old, Israel's democracy is older than more than half of the democratic governments in the world, which, in turn, account for less than half of the world's existing nations. Israel is one of the handful of democracies that has never succumbed to periods of undemocratic rule. And Israel has achieved this extraordinary record in spite of the fact that it is the only democracy never to know a nanosecond of peace and which has endured pressures that would have crushed most other democracies long ago. In a region inhospitable--even fatal--to government by and of the people, Israel's democracy thrives.

Democracy in Israel is not only personal and vibrant, but also grave, because the stakes are so enormously high. Recalling Jonah's paradox, the leaders we elect are confronted with grueling decisions.

Consider the case of terror. Israel today is threatened with two major terror organizations: Hamas in Gaza and, in Lebanon, Hizbollah. Both are backed by Iran and both call openly for Israel's destruction. And, over the past five years, both have acted on that call by firing nearly 15,000 rockets at Israeli towns and villages.

Next imagine that you're the prime minister of Israel. You know that in order to keep those thousands of rockets out of Hamas's hands you need to blockade Gaza from the sea. The policy is risky--people may get hurt, especially if they're armed extremists--and liable to make you very unpopular in the world. But you have to choose between being popular and watching idly while a million Israelis come under rocket fire. You have to choose between popular and being alive.

In Lebanon, Hezbollah has nearly quadrupled the rockets in its arsenal. They're bigger, more accurate rockets, with a range that can reach every Israeli city, even Eilat. Worse: Hizbollah has positioned those rockets under homes, hospitals, and schools, confident that if Israelis try to defend themselves from those missiles, they will be branded war criminals.

Imagine, again, that you're Israel's prime minister. Do you wait until Hizbollah finds a pretext to fire those rockets or do you act preemptively? Do you risk having the much of the country being reduced to rubble or having that same country reduced to international pariah status?

The terror threat is a very poignant example of the quandary of statecraft in Israel, but an even thornier case is posed by the peace process.

Yes, the peace process, with its vision of two peoples living in adjacent states in a relationship of permanent and legitimate peace. What could be so hazardous about that?

Well, let's return to that Kafkaesque scenario in which you wake up one morning and find yourself transformed into Israel's prime minister.

You know that to create that neighboring state that you're going to have to give up some land, but not just any land, but land regarded as sacred by the majority of the Jewish people for more than three thousand years. You know that a great many of your countrymen have made their homes in these areas and that numerous Israelis have given their lives in their defense. You know that Israel has in the past withdrawn from territories in an effort to generate peace but that it received no peace but rather war. And, lastly, you know that many Arabs view the two-state solution as a two stage solution in which the ultimate stage is Israel's dissolution.

What, then, Mr. or Ms. Prime Minister, do you do?

You could opt for maintaining the status quo, with the risk of deepening Israel's international isolation or you could specify a vision of peace that significantly reduces its perils. You could, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has done, insist that the future Palestinian State be effectively demilitarized, without an army that could bombard Israeli cities or an air force that could shoot down planes landing at Ben-Gurion Airport. You could insist that the Palestinian State reciprocally recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, and so put an end to all future claims and conflicts.

Even then, of course, Israel will be running incalculable risks, for what if the Palestinian state implodes and becomes another Gaza or Lebanon? What do you do if, a week after the peace treaty is signed, a rocket falls on Tel Aviv?

More than Gaza, more than peace, the ultimate quandary of statecraft centers on Iran.

This is the radical, genocidal Iran whose leaders regularly call for Israel's annihilation and provides terrorists with the means for accomplishing that goal. This is the Iran that undermines governments throughout the Middle East and even South America, and an Iran that shoots its own people protesting for freedom.

Iran does all this without nuclear weapons--imagine what it would do with the nuclear arms it is assiduously developing. And imagine what you, awakening once again as the Israeli Prime Minister, will decide. Do you remain passive while Iran provides nuclear weaponry to terrorist groups, targets Tel Aviv with nuclear-tipped missiles, and triggers a nuclear arms race throughout the region? Or do you act, as Israel has now, joining with the United States and other like-minded nations in imposing sanctions on Iran, hoping to dissuade its rulers from nuclearizing? And, if that fails, do you keep all options on the table, with the potentially far-reaching risks those options entail?

The issues of terror, the peace process, and Iran evoke strong emotions in this country and around the world, and often spark criticism of Israeli policies. Yet it's crucial to recall that those policies are determined by the leaders elected through one of the world's most robust and resilient democracies. Recall that the people of Israel--not of Europe, not of the United States--bear the fullest consequences for their leaders' decisions.

There is no escaping the responsibility--as Jonah learned thousands of years ago--and that responsibility is borne by our leaders and by the majority of the people they represent. Israel today faces decisions every bit as daunting as those confronting Jonah, but we will not run away. There is no gourd to hide under or fish to swallow us whole. Terror, the peace process, Iran--our Ninevehs--await.

Support us as we grapple with these towering challenges. Back us in our efforts to defend ourselves from terrorist rockets. Uphold us if we have to make painful sacrifices for peace or if we decide that the terms of the proposed treaty fail to justify those sacrifices. Stand with us as we resist Iran's efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. Respect the decisions we take through our democratic system and respect the risks that we, more than any other nation, take.

The message of the Book of Jonah is one of personal and collective atonement, but it is also a message of unity and faith. "In my trouble I called to the Lord," proclaims Jonah, "VaYa'aneini" - "and He answered me."

Let us--Israelis and the American Jews--united by our faith, our peoplehood, and our common love for democracy. Let us assume responsibility for our decisions, crushingly difficult though they may often be, and appreciative of the quandaries our leaders face. When we call out, let us answer one another with the assurance that no challenge--no paradoxes, no Ninevehs--can defeat us.

 

LEEN

10:38 AM ET

April 27, 2011

If Americans Knew

some other great web sites who focus on the I/P issue. Race for Iran, Mondoweiss, Washington Note, Informed Comment.

Important information to access and hand out at
If Americans Knew and
Council for a National Interest

 

LEEN

10:43 AM ET

April 27, 2011

Oh and if you want to see

Oh and if you want to see what Illegal settlers have been doing to Palestinians for years Just google you tube there are many clips of the settlers attacking Palestinians in extremely violent ways.

Also Max Blumenthals and Norman Finkelsteins sites are informative and fact based.

Max's video of Feel the Hate is a must watch

Read the UN report on the Mavi Marmara

 

LEEN

10:59 AM ET

April 28, 2011

Aipac should sign up under the Foreign Agents Registration Act

Yes "enemies from within" That is why people should contact their Reps and demand that pro Israel groups like Aipac, Jinsa, etc should be required to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. They have taken an oath to protect the US from enemies within our country and government

 

SHAMS ZAMAN

1:43 PM ET

April 27, 2011

How Israelis can fool US Marines

I agree with the writer. US and Israel have started to share the values. Like of Israel the US is also becoming an imperialist state, it is also involved in Muslim holocaust, it is also becoming a fascist state, the religious intolerance is also on the rise like that of in Israel where Palestinians have no rights. So lot of common grounds for the US and Israel to be allies. US has learnt a great deal of values from Israel.

It is interesting to see how some Zionists can make fool of US MARINES. But there are rationals minds which can see the injustices and the ill effects of Israeli and Zionists cult on the US.

US marine has quoted some Americans killed by Arabs. How many Muslims were killed by Israelis from 1917-1948? Why US became a party to this killing by accepting Israel and dumping the King and Crane mission which was sent by President Wilson as a fact finding mission? how many Muslims have been killed have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Interestingly the clumsy US MARINE fails to explain that all the conflicts which he has mentioned have erupted after the creation of Israel. This is primarily for the reason that Muslim see the US and the west collaborating with the Zionists Jews to conduct a Muslim holocaust and thus become a legitimate enemy. The roots of all this turmoil lies in the Middle East and till the time western countries will not stop assisting the Zionists this bloodshed will not end. If anyone thinks that all Muslims could be eliminated this will not happen.

The only solution to this problem is a just solution to all the existing conflicts otherwise its just a matter of time before the whole building of western capitalism would crumble under the weight of this conflict. You can bet on that.

So with a friend like Israel US need not to have any enemy at all. If US has to prevail it has to adopt a just approach. Whether Muslim, Christian, Jew or any other religion, No unjust power can prevail for a long time and this is law of the nature. The time to take the right decision for the US is running out fast.

Shams Zaman - Pakistan (smszmn72@yahoo.com)

 

SHAMS ZAMAN

1:51 PM ET

April 27, 2011

Who was Rachel Corrie

Did anyone of my American friend obsessed with the Israeli love tried to find out who was Rachel Corrie and how she was killed??

Had it been any Islamic state doing that... the world would have been turned upside down.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

10:38 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Rachel Corrie

Rachel Corrie was a stupid Hitlerjugend wannabe 'ho who went over to a war zone, not to express sympathy with the victims of genocidal bombing, nor to demand that the Palestinians live up to peace accords and disarm, but she chose to sieg heil along with the animal murderers and dancers in the streets of Gaza. She got what she deserved, period - especially after she burned MY flag.

 

CLIFFBCALIF

5:09 PM ET

April 27, 2011

USS Liberty Incident

Periodically someone who wishes to use the USS Liberty incident for anti-Israel political purposes or wishes to write a book and re-raises the issue. Those individuals are never former Navy or Air Force Officers with combat zone experience.

On the night of June 16 or 17, 1968 (its been a long time) I was the Officer of the Deck on one of nine US Navy ships cruising off the coast of North Vietnam near the DMZ. One heavy cruiser, one Australian Guided Missile Destroyer, 3 US Destroyers, 3 US Destroyer Escorts, and one Aircraft Carrier (a CVS) operating with the running lights on.

Several US Air Force F-4's were flying into the area - identified by their IFF.

All aircraft flying north of the DMZ or north of the 17th parallel, over the water of the Gulf of Tonkin or over the adjacent land area had by procedure to check in with the US Navy ship controlling the air traffic in that area, called Yankee Station.

The experienced USAF pilots, ignoring the need to check in with the US Navy air controllers, decided one or more of the surface contacts they picked up on radar, in an area with heavy US Navy traffic, must be North Vietnamese helicopters??? Or so we were later told. So, of course, they opened fire on two of the ships. None of the nine ships were traveling faster then 15 knots. I saw the firing and the explosions.

Contrary to the many imaginary stories there were no attack that night by North Vietnamese aircraft on Navy craft operating in I Corps area There was nothing on search radar that day or night to indicate a North Vietnamese presence.

We knew the attackers were USAF and didn't fire back at them, just tried through various means to contact them directly or indirectly via radio to get them to stop firing. They didn't kill as many people as the losses suffered by the Liberty, but there were casualties on the Australian destroyer.

A major miscalculation on the part of the USAF, and given the controls that were in place to prevent something like that--almost unbelievable. But, it happens in wartime, just like the errors made by the Israeli pilots who attacked the Liberty and the decision made by someone in the Sixth Fleet to place the Liberty unescorted and alone in that position.

I was also a Navy officer when the Liberty was attacked and read the communications real time.

Those who have not experienced war and these types of situations will never understand how they can occur, military officers who have experienced them understand (?) how they occur. They are not intentional, just result from the so-called fog of war when one makes rapid decisions in a violent environment where your enemy is often clever and killing is routine. Mistakes occur, even in this day and age with all our high tech equipment.

That is the story of the Liberty incident, nothing else.

 

CLIFFBCALIF

11:58 AM ET

April 29, 2011

Learn English

US Navy Captains know the English language--fool, Arabs on the other hand speak and sound yourself--Uneducated, women beating, half wits.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

9:22 PM ET

April 27, 2011

I believe the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty

not some anonymous pro-Israel traitor:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-07-liberty-meeting_N.htm

"Coverup theory alive at USS Liberty reunion

By Oren Dorell, USA TODAY
McLEAN, Va. — Former crewmembers gathered near Washington this weekend to remember a controversial attack 40 years ago today when a U.S. spy ship was nearly sunk by an ally.

The Israeli naval and air bombardment of the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, during Israel's Six Day War against three Arab nations left 34 Americans dead.

Israel has always insisted the attack was a case of mistaken identity and 11 U.S. investigations over the years have reached the same conclusion.

Although Israel apologized and paid restitution to the families of servicemen killed and injured, some of the men on the ship that day have for decades been pushing the theory that the Israelis intended to murder every American on board and that the Pentagon is covering up a war crime.

"They knew exactly who we were," said Joel Lehman, 60, of Austin, Texas, who was a storekeeper for the Navy on the ship and wants a new investigation. . . . ."

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-boston.html

"Declaration of
Ward Boston, Jr.,Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry’s investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty

I, Ward Boston, Jr. do declare that the following statement is true and complete:

For more than 30 years, I have remained silent on the topic of USS Liberty. I am a military man and when orders come in from the Secretary of Defense and President of the United States, I follow them.

However, recent attempts to rewrite history compel me to share the truth.

In June of 1967, while serving as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General Corps, Department of the Navy, I was assigned as senior legal counsel for the Navy’s Court of Inquiry into the brutal attack on USS Liberty, which had occurred on June 8th.

The late Admiral Isaac C. Kidd, president of the Court, and I were given only one week to gather evidence for the Navy’s official investigation into the attack, despite the fact that we both had estimated that a proper Court of Inquiry into an attack of this magnitude would take at least six months to conduct. . . . "

 

CLIFFBCALIF

12:12 PM ET

April 29, 2011

To a terrorist supporter

And you served your country when and where and fought in which of its wars? Lie any time you wish or publish your discharge from Hams / Hezbollah or from the armies supporting the other Arab dictators whose so called men only knew how to murder and abuse women, shoot down defenseless people like the Syrian military is doing--imitating their Turkish supporters who murder defenseless Kurds.

How does that Arab expression read--Women are for babies, boys are for fun. Arab logic, so we know the educational philosophical basis of your understandings.

You will never get your wish. Israel's nuclear weapons arsenal insures its survivability and even if Iran obtains one and uses it, that would spell the 15 or less minute doom of the entire Muslim world. The coin had flipped, learn to live with it. Go find a real job and treat women with respect.

Line Officers really do not care about the opinions of what JAG Lawyers allegedly think about line matters. I know, its above your understanding, not that much is required to achieve that level.

I have more important things to do then debate with fools. Care to guess what they are?

 

A449802

4:48 PM ET

May 13, 2011

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

9:54 PM ET

April 27, 2011

A real investigation finally

All the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty is asking for is to finally have a full and fair investigation of what happened to them in which they finally get to testify. Until then, in the immortal words of Captain McGonagle to his "ally":

"A(n Israeli) torpedo boat officer asked in English over a bullhorn: "Do you need any help?"

The wounded commander of the Liberty, Captain William McGonagle, instructed the quartermaster to respond emphatically: 'Fuck you.'"

 

BMILLIONAIRE324

1:50 AM ET

May 12, 2011

no apology

if they were spying on Israel forwarding information or not, it does not make a difference, they have the power to stand out and the resources to leak information everywhere they want, if they would be trying to win the lot tery or stuff, they would be busy with something else, but they have interests in common, so why not help a little.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

10:37 AM ET

April 28, 2011

*rolleyes*

Seems like one of these hawks-in-sheep's-clothing op eds comes out every time Israel loses further ground in the Arab-Israeli conflict, usually due to its own actions or inactions.

Let me ask you, Ambassador -- when you're done these op eds, do your knees and neck hurt?

The reality is that the Israeli political establishment RESENTS having to trot to Washington, hat in hand, to continue Israel's existence. America RESENTS having to send billions of dollars in financial and military aid to Israel to bolster its strategic interests only to have those interests undermined by an aggressive, condescending, and bad faith foreign policy conducted by Israel.

Sure, we're the best of friends, but really, how long can that last when one nation is dependent on the other, and the dependent one consistently sh**s all over the hand that feeds it?

As for the settlements, anyone with half a brain and no vested interests knows what it is -- it's a landgrab, pure and simple. It's an attempt by Israel to consistently improve its bargaining position in future negotiations. For myself and many others, it simply undermines any claims Israel has at all to any land taken subsequent to 1967. It also highlights the disgustingly disproportionate influence that a bunch of unemployed zealot welfare cases have on the greater Israeli politics, bolstered by well-meaning but ignorant zealots in the diaspora.

Americans love Israelis; Israelis love Americans. I spent 5 weeks in Israel -- I was there when Gilad Shalit was kidnapped, in Haifa when rockets rained down on the city -- I get the existential concerns. However, there is a major disconnect between our personal feelings for one another and the growing distance between our respective foreign policies. (Though frankly, I'd be hard pressed to summarize what exactly Israel's current foreign policy is, beyond "f*** everyone" and verbally fellating America as needed.)

 

BOLDEAGLE

4:14 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Hey dummy

Nice trash comment but you are drowning in your ignorance.
From a historical, moral, and legal perspective, Israel has every right to build in and claim sovereignty over Jerusalem.

It has always been Jewish land historically, but even moreso, it is Israel's land legally. So said the San Remo Resolutions in 1920, and which are still legal, binding and valid to this day. How dare such an ignorant person as yourself claim otherwise. Of course, the entire world is either forgetful or willfully neglectful in this regard, so you have some fine company.

Give me one tangible reason why Jerusalem is not Israels? Because the Jordanians using violence were able to take it over for a full 19 years? I won't even use another perfectly valid reason that Israel begged Jordan to stay out of the '67 war, and yet Jordan attacked Israel in spite of that, losing the city militarily at that point.

No, I'll stick to the legal argument and if you can counter than, I'll listen.

The rest of your piece is the same meaningless and rather dumb claptrap that so many others ascribe to.

Mr. Oren's article was excellent, the work of a scholar and historian. I suppose you and the others on this comment page have the intelligence to negate it? Don't think so.

Dummy.

 

BOLDEAGLE

4:03 PM ET

April 28, 2011

I'm amazed

Wow, this is my very first time visiting this site and after reading Michael Orens excellent piece I went on to read some of the comments.

By and large, what a foolish group of people are those who have left comments. Obviously anti Israel and many anti Jewish, not one comment that I read had a quarter of the grace or intelligence of Mr. Oren's article.

Who are you people who are so ignorant or reality, so biased and hateful? You know nothing at all about the reality of Israel. You've chosen the odd negative episode that you think makes your point when the reality is that there are a hundred opposing points that could be better made. Your bias is quite, no, make that your ignorance is pitiful.

I've always heard that the people interested in "foreign policy" are a bunch of racist right wingers who hate Jews, but this is my first tangible experience with such loser. What a bunch of idiots!

Mr. Oren's piece is truthful, honest and reflective of the interactive experience between Israel and the United States. The founding of the country, for petes sake, was partially based on the Jewish experience.

If Americans love or loved America, by extension they should continue to have positive feelings for Jews and the Israeli experience. That this crowd does not is indicative of a low intelligence quotient and a sickened mind.

Good day to y'all.

 

AUGUST WEST

5:28 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Grace and intelligence?

Sorry, boldeagle, but those of us who know the facts realize Oren wrote a piece of blatant propaganda.

Your linking love of America to love of Israel is insulting. As a matter of fact, those who love America cannot love Israel. We cannot love a nation founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing. We cannot love a state whose very existence depends on racism.

The low intelligence and sickened mind is yours.

 

AUGUST WEST

5:24 PM ET

April 28, 2011

The ultimate ally...

...Is NOT one that spits in the face of the President and Vice-President by announcing the theft of more Palestinian land when they visit Israel or the Israeli PM visits America.

It is not one that deliberately feeds us false intelligence. It is not one that sells our top-secret military technology to Communist China. It is not one that forces us to ignore its murder of Americans, both civilian and military.

And it is not one whose Jewish government denigrates American Jews as not being truly Jewish.

FP should spare us clumsy propaganda.

 

BMILLIONAIRE324

1:44 AM ET

May 12, 2011

at least....

USA claims to be taking care of any situation of this kind, is not that they're trying to find how to get that girl... I am pretty sure they're very aware of any betrayals out there, meaning they pretty much knows whois a real ally and who isnt. I think that no matter how many allies we have, if they could have an opportunity to turn against us, they would take it, lets face it, they're not buying watches and spending their time shopping, they're silently hating America, what we can do is... Nothing, keep doing what we're doing, back in US, live our lives, thats it.

 

WHISKEYPAPA

8:54 PM ET

May 15, 2011

The United States

If the United States would pursue its true grand strategic interests, there soon would be no Israel.

Walt

 

WHISKEYPAPA

8:54 PM ET

May 15, 2011

The United States

If the United States would pursue its true grand strategic interests, there soon would be no Israel.

Walt

 

AGAINSTAPARTHEID

5:28 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Apartheid In Gaza

Personally i feel as though The United States has no moral standing in the world if it continues to spend 3 billion dollars annually to support APARTHEID in Gaza. That money is better spent investing in new technologies that will relieve America of its dependency on petroleum. The change Mr. Obama promised seems like the same ole status quo to me.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

9:51 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Michael Oren's land?

Michael Oren was born in the U.S. an American citizen and is now part of a group of immigrants pushing the native born inhabitants off their land because it's really his land? Can I see the heavenly deed that gives him the right to push people off the land of their birth?

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

10:52 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Two wrongs make a right?

So because Michael Oren "experienced anti-semitism" in his homeland, that gives him the right to push the Semitic inhabitants of Palestine into the sea and claim their land?

Holy lebensraum! Does that mean one of the key tenets of National Socialism and South African apartheid was right after all?

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

11:06 PM ET

April 28, 2011

Those Who Support Israel and Those Who Don't

Those who supported Israel:

Presidents G.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon, Harry Truman. General Alexander Haig and most U.S military commanders including the son of George S. Patton. Most of Classy Hollywood, including the late Elizabeth Taylor, and those like Kirk Douglas, James Woods, Gary Sinise, Jon Voight. Bob Dylan, Randy Travis, John Hagee, most Evangelical Christians.

Those who Hate Israel:

Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Elijah Muhammed, Farrakhan, George Lincoln Rockwell, David Duke, Jeremiah Wright, Samantha Power, Zbig Brezinzski, James Baker, Chuck Hagel, Rosie O'Donnell, Pete Seeger (once a Stalinist, always one, it seems). Roger Waters, Elvis Costello. Rachel Corrie.

Need I say more? And who would you rather be with? Class or Trash??

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

1:06 AM ET

April 29, 2011

You forgot one

You forgot one person in your list of suspect and odious Americans: George Washington

"So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests."
-- George Washington, 1796

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

12:22 AM ET

April 29, 2011

If Bush Bungled Anything

It was not Iraq but not taking care of Iran. Unfortunately the Kenyan Chimp - whom the anti-Americans here so dearly love prefers to bomb Libyans instead of the real enemies of peace - the Iranians, the Syrians, and yes, his Palestinian benefactors.

Bush made some mistakes but compared to ignoramus monk, he was a President. That's just a sad, pathetic, gutless, racist and anti-semitic little boy - whose animus has provided cannon fodder for many here who are more and more creeping out of the woodwork ever since he and Shrillary Dumbass came on the scene.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

8:26 AM ET

April 29, 2011

For Arvay the Clown

I'd gladly match my Civil Rights record against yours and that sorry excuse for a coward and liar who occupies the White House anyday, anytime. Unlike a pisspot like you, I could vote for a Colonel Allen West because he believes in this country, he, unlike the little boy sucking his thumb or whatever in that pew for 20 years, served our nation faithfully, even risking his life while your hero was "community organizing" with the likes of Wright, Ayers, Khalidi. Colonel West is Colorblind and for America. That's how I look at people and things. Your boy is a Racist who has done more to divide America than Jefferson Davis could ever think doing.

And by the way, if Iran, God Forbid ever does drop one on NYC ala Bin Laden or elsewhere in the U.S. I had better see you in the enlistment line and apologizing for your stupidity - especially when Libya was being bombed.

So, piss off.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

1:37 AM ET

April 29, 2011

No list of Americans who are

No list of Americans who are odious because they're insufficiently loyal to Israel would be complete, of course, without the names of the crew members of the U.S.S. Liberty. For brevity's sake, only the officers being listed here:

+ Lieutenant Commander Philip McCutcheon Armstrong, Jr., USN (killed in action June 8, 1967, by Israeli forces; buried Arlington National Cemetery, grave 2096X) (Navy Cross)
* Lieutenant Maurice Hogue Bennett, USN
* Lieutenant James Marquis Ennes, Jr., USNR
* Lieutenant George Houston Golden, USN (plank owner) (died January 30, 2009) (Silver Star)
* Lieutenant Richard Francis Kiepfer, Medical Corps, USNR (Silver Star)
* Lieutenant Commander David Edwin Lewis, USN
* Ensign David George Lucas, USNR (Silver Star)
* Commander William Loren McGonagle, USN (died March 3, 1999) (Medal of Honor)
* Lieutenant James George O'Connor, USNR (died March 19, 1988)
Ensign Malcom Patrick O'Malley, USNR
* Lieutenant (junior grade) Lloyd Clyde Painter, USNR
+ Lieutenant James Cecil Pierce, USN (killed in action June 8, 1967, by Israeli forces)
Ensign John Deaderick Scott, USNR (Silver Star)
* Ensign Richard Patten Taylor, Jr., USNR
+ Lieutenant Stephen Spencer Toth, USN (killed in action June 8, 1967, by Israeli forces) (Silver Star)
* Lieutenant (junior grade) Malcolm McEachin Watson, USNR

 

HISTORYBUFF1

2:13 AM ET

April 29, 2011

Oy Vey!

What a mess. Arguing back and forth. The only thing one can do is read the history books, and decide for oneself. There is only one inevitable and incontrovertible conclusion: Israel is to Palestine as Obi Wan Kenobi is to Darth Vedar. Enough said.

 

DEVILANSE

11:48 AM ET

May 6, 2011

Israeli self-deception

Shout louder !

I could still hear a little truth: That Israel is no longer a "righteous" country...you've descended to the level of your enemies, while screaming about your own goodness.

You won't be missed.

 

FIFTH HORSEMAN

3:16 AM ET

April 29, 2011

It's only a mess if you're

It's only a mess if you're putting lipstick on a pig and trying to convince others it's beautiful. I know I wouldn't want the job. I'm rather enjoying myself though as it's like shooting fish in a barrel. I do have some sympathy for our Zionist friends though as it can't be easy loving something so much that you're willing to sacrifice everything including your own country for it.

 

CLIFFBCALIF

2:26 AM ET

April 30, 2011

One Must Wonder

Foreign Policy is an intellectually well rounded periodical, yet this web site attracts so many either in desperate need of ESL or those clearly lacking a sense of reasoning and presentation.

One can only wonder how even those expressing themselves in such educationally low class style, such as XEXON above, can either be so openly anti-Semitic or so foolish as to support Arab (Muslim) regimes which are led by murdering butchers and thieves--a la Assad in Syria or HAMAS in Gaza. XEXON is only the most recent example.

Even the other Arab nations have no use for the so-called Palestinian Arabs. They realize they are a manufactured group with no history whatsoever. The Jordanians (created by the British) want them out of their country. They have never forgiven them for Black September when the Jordanian Army had to crush Arafat and the PLO. The Jordanians gave them a place of refuge and in return the Palestinians attacked them and tried to seize the Jordanian's country. Sort of what Hamas did in Gaza to the PLO. To this day the Jordanian government keeps the Palestinians from becoming citizens and in the few case where they have become citizens, they later strip those Palestinians of that status.

Those so-called Palestinians in Lebanon are treated even worse by their brother Arabs. They live in camps, are not allowed to integrate into the country. The Saudi's, among others are wealthy, so why have they not provided funds to upgrade the standard of living of their Muslim brothers in need of help?

Kuwait kicked out their Palestinian population after they aided the Iraqis during their 1991 invasion of the country. Once again, the Palestinians bit the hand of those who were feeding them.

Look what the Palestinians did to Gaza. Israel pulls out of there and some wealthy Americans purchase the Israeli businesses in Gaza and turn those businesses and Israeli built homes over to members of the local population. The local Arabs tired of the corruption of the PLO commit political suicide and elect a radical Hamas government. They destroy the businesses and turn the area into an artillery base and begin firing thousands of rockets into their neighbor and bring Israeli retaliation onto themselves. Now they live in an abject poverty of their own making, except of course for their ruling elite which lives quite well. Oh yes, why did the Saudi's and other Arab oil rich countries not invest in Gaza and attempt to get the area economically on its feet?

President Clinton convinces Israel to agree to a piece plan that was fair to all. A plan which included the sharing of a part of Jerusalem where Arab Mosques were insultingly built on top of a Jewish Temple and where an Arab population resides. Arafat refuses to sign the agreement fearing he would be murdered. Some statesman! Of course, we would later learn that he had redirected millions in U.S. aid currency to his foreign banks, probably as a retirement fund. He cheated his own people. He was simply a badly dressed thief. Not to worry, he died young anyway, but his family is enjoying the good life in Paris on a well financed Palestinian dole. Even more absurd, the Palestinians support Arafat's betrayal of their society by embarking on suicide attacks on the Jews in Israel,. They again reap what they sowed--many time over. Once again they are crushed, loose countless people in street wars with the IDF and loose thousands of jobs in Israel and find themselves fenced out of their neighbor's land. A neighbor who had an open border with them and who once employed thousands of their people.

Now, Fatah has apparently decided to team up with Hamas. Be careful kids. Don't forget what happened to Fatah last time you weaklings tried that move in Gaza. Also, if that occurs, the US and the West will cut off its aid as HAMAS is a terrorist group and a government with HAMAS as part of it cannot receive US aid.

This story is to long. It needs a book titled The Created People and Their Collective Self Destruction. But one more set of incidents that tells the reason Palestinians cannot be trusted to act sanely.

Recently, the Palestinians murdered two activists who not only supported their cause, they lived among them. One was the son of a Muslim father and Jewish mother who lived in the Jenine refugee camp and the other was an Italian activist who lived in and was murdered in Gaza. Palestinians devour their own supporters, can you imagine what they will try to do with those who don't support them?

And, on goes the story. Why would one negotiate with People who act like those described above. They will wallow in the hell of their own making.

Their brother Arabs kept them in poverty and used their desperate state as a political magnet to distract their populations attention when they needed to be misdirected from acting against repression by their own governments. They are now seeing how well that worked. It only took the so-called Arab Street 60+ years to begin to wake up. Slow learners!

 

CLIFFBCALIF

12:34 PM ET

April 30, 2011

History Lessons and Arab Interlopers

The original descendants who lived in and had / have nations in the land west and east of the Jordan Rive along the Mediterranean were Jews and the Canaanite peoples of the area--not conquering Arab Muslims from the Saudi Arabian desert. Muslim Arabs came as one of many temporary conquerors into the area. All those temporary conquerors have now been put in their place, thrown out of power, and the remainder need to return home with their supporters to Saudi Arabia. Of course, Do you think the Saudi government will treat those people or their supporters as heroes or slap you'all in prison.

The 580,000 so-called Arabs who left their homes during the 1948 Arab army invasion of the former British colony of Palestine were accompanied by Arab land grabbers who convinced the foolish"Arabs" living there to abandon their homes to make way for the all conquering Muslim hordes. The land grabbers wanted to expropriate their brother's land and sell it for a profit. The foolish Palestinian "Arabs" believed the propaganda they would be able to return to a Jew cleansed area. Another Palestinian Arab blunder. Oh how the historical record of stupid Palestinian decisions increase.

The only ethnic cleansing that occurred in 1948+/-was that of the other Arab nations whose Muslim populations murdered their Jewish neighbors, expropriated their property, and drove out 850,000+ Jews, who primarily went to Israel - returned home to help rebuild their finally repossessed land.

The Canaanite descendants who still live in that area and in Lebanon have been totally co-opted by the Muslims from Arabia and lost their cultural identity. When are the true Canaanites of Palestine (to use the Roman term) and Lebanon going to realize they are not Arabs. When are the Egyptians going to learn they are not Arabs, but a more ancient people called Egyptians as a local Egyptian resident and business owner reminded me-- when making certain I did not refer to him as an Arab in our discussion. Canaanite peoples can not act in a civilized manner until they shake off the cultural captivity, with all its inherent barbarism and intellectual backwardness, of their Arab Muslim conquerors.

The so called West Bank was overrun in 1948 by the British Officer-ed, British led, and British equipped Arab Legion of the Trans-Jordan Hashemite Kingdom. (Know who was John Baggot Glub?) That armed forced conquered the West Bank area and drove the Jewish population out of a part of Jerusalem they promptly (but temporarily) renamed East Jerusalem. An act as ridiculous as the British renaming their still conquered part of Ireland as "Northern Ireland" and falsely claiming it to be their land--a la the "Arabs" and Jerusalem.

There never was a border between Israel and the Trans-Jordan, just an armistice line. There is a major legal difference.

Unfortunately for the Jordanian Army, without as much British support, in 1967, despite Israel's constant asking them to stay out of the war, the Jordan Arab Legion attacked Israel and the rest is history. The Jews took back the remaining neighborhoods of Jerusalem and will hold onto them forever--so says Israel's nuclear arsenal and you and your like fellows cannot do a thing about that fact.

Like most "Without Name" or perhaps "Sin N" forgets that Gaza, which was Egyptian territory prior to 1967--not Palestinian Arab, is a free area its residents or government have turned into Terrorist Central and a Hamas ruled fiefdom--perhaps more appropriately Hezbollah South--the vassal States of Iran.

The choice was theirs, build a democratic, economically viable and thriving area friendly to its neighbors or degenerate into an economically poor area peopled by terrorist bandits. Thousands of Gaza residents were employed in Israel until Hams turned their country into a base for firing thousands of rockets into Israel and sending suicide bombers across their border dressed as workmen. Brilliant move, but alas another typical Palestinian action showing they wish to join the civilized community of nations in the spirit of economic competitiveness. Of course. they were doing it by delivering spare parts from used rockets and expended explosives to their neighbor. What more needs be stated.

At the behest of Nasser and believing the lying propaganda that Egyptian armies were conquering Israel, the Syrians rushed to join in the division of those imaginary spoils in 1967 and the process lost the Golan Heights. I suppose that now you would have Israel return that territory to the regime of the murderous butcher Assad. Certainly a trustworthy, educated man.

Where is your outcry about the mass killings being carried by his orders??? Please don't tell me you are two faced on the issue of Arab leaders slaughtering their own people, but what is new.

"Sin," illegal as they may be, business crimes pale in comparison to the murderous and barbaric acts of the various Arab regimes carried out often against their own people, their cultures permitted killing of women by men which is not an illegal act, the fact their countries are all ruled by dictators who are wealthy beyond compare when their people starve and live in poverty and filth--yes I have been there. Watch television news. If the only problem was Arafat's theft of a few dollars, that would be criminal but amusing. It was his failure to sign onto a fair peace treaty that would have delivered to the Palestinian people a decent country with a supporting neighbor and a supporting United States that would have lead to their economic, cultural, and educational uplifting and the end to conflict in the area that was the crime--as well as the murderous acts of (to many of) the Palestinian population against their neighbors that is the crime.

So-called Arabs living in Israel have the right to vote, many more than you realize serve in the Israeli military and as officers and fight for their democratic country, have members in their country's parliament, and earn a far higher wage then their counterparts in any Arab country. The proof lies in facts, not Arab falsehoods.

Enough, time for important things. Xexon, you are not a Chinese light bulb that has burned out are you? You most certainly have misplaced the brains God presumably gave yo you. Time to return to Kindergarten, or maybe you grew up in a country where they do not educate their masses.

 

BHARAT

2:01 PM ET

April 30, 2011

Israel

Suppose the islamists snatch American lands, what would Americans do. Will they gladly accept it for the sake of being crowned as large hearted. The Israelites were unjustly ousted from their promised holy land. There is nothing wrong if they are using all means at their disposal to reclaim that holy land. It is only in the larger interests of the world that effects of Islamic conquests be undone and reversed. What right Arabian Islamists had to conquest Iran, India etc and cause widespread bloodshed. Would any one call the ouster of Jews from their holy land and continued killing of Hindus the bright chapters of world history. America funds all those human rights organisations that scream at appropriate handling of terrorists, but they do not shed a tear when patriotic blood is spilled in the name of Islam.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

11:35 PM ET

April 30, 2011

For Fifth Horseman aka Sixth Moslem

Sorry I don't have the full lists, but since you insist on your stupid little game here, how about trying this one for size, bozo?

KILLED BY MOSLEMS - PALESTINIAN AND/OR PALESTINIAN SUPPORTERS

- 3000 Americans murdered by Al Qaeda on September 11, 2001. Immediately after learning the fate of those on the planes and on the ground Palestinians in Gaza and Ramallah started dancing in the streets in celebration.

- 250 U.S. Marines (some of them friends) murdered in the Beirut Barracks by Islamic murderers.

- The U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon and his assistant, murdered by PLO thugs in 1976, after the U.S, Ambassador to the Sudan, his Charge D' Affairs, and the Belgian Ambassador were murdered on the DIRECT orders of Yasser Arafat. President Nixon was so outraged that he was all set to bomb Palestinian targets but was sadly dissuaded by Henry Kissinger and Vernon Walters.

The entire crew and passengers of a TWA Flight from Athens to Tel Aviv, blown up over the Mediterranean by Palestinian terrorists in September 1975. Gerald Ford whitewashed this under the carpet knowing the American people would have demanded a response. This, predating both Lockerbie and 9/11. And speaking of.

- 250 Americans, Brits and other innocents murdered by agents in the pay of Syria, Iran, Libya and the Palestinian General Command, over Lockerbie, Scotland, November 1988. If Reagan had remained President there would have been a response. Sadly the incoming pro- Saudi and by extension pro-Syrian idiots George Herbert Walker Bush and his sidekick James Von Ribbentrop Baker also chose to whitewash this, like Obama convienently blaming it on Libya.

And countless Americans murdered by Palestinian and Islamic terrorists worldwide since 1967 - hundreds, if not thousands of them.

Care to bring up the Liberty incident again, fella? If you love your roach fece friends in Gaza so much, get off my (Native American) land and go and live amongst your own.

 

ANGRY AMERICAN

11:39 PM ET

April 30, 2011

Xenon

Spadra awaits you - now please be a good little vermin and put that straightjacket on while you drool over your copy of Mein Kampf.

Ahhh, that's a good little boy. Trouble is, you're too sick to be deported to your Palestinian trash, as all those who scream for the rights of Palestinian terrorists yet tramp Native American land should go to, but Spadra will take care of you.

 

ROMAN GIL

2:17 PM ET

May 1, 2011

We can't afford to feed and fight the world with borrowed money.

We can't afford to feed and fight the world with borrowed money.

Every cause has an effect. Every action a reaction.

By intervening in the Israel-Muslim conflict, we created the conditions that started the American war with Muslim terrorists. Intervening in other countries always leads to war and enemies. Terrorism is the strategy of the powerless when they fight the powerful. The next step in this permanent war is that terrorists will detonate dirty nuclear bombs on the NATO countries and America. We have to stop the steps that are leading us to this end.

The terrorists have more time and supporters than we have money. To survive we have to stop all interventions in the world. Defend our borders and attack only targeted actual terrorists. This total divorce from the world's problems will eventually cause the terrorists to focus on their own power struggles because they will see that America is out of the area and that it's in their best interest to end terrorism against America to keep us out. This is the only way to end this permanent war before we enter the terminal stage of our economic and social cancer.

The $1.65 Trillion dollars out of a budget of $3.7 Trillion, that the Federal government has to beg and borrow this year and every year, should not be spent on war contractor profits and foreign affairs. Confront reality; The USA is the largest debtor in world history. The annual trade deficit (losses) is over $700 billion. Industry is only 9% of the economy. According to the official government statistics, 36% of males 16 to 64 years old are permanently out of the labor force and don't count. The Federal, State and local governments must reduce their size by 37% to fit actual taxes. There are not enough taxpayers to support this huge government of over 20 million people and an equal number of people that are employed by dependent government contractors. Taxes are too high already. Most taxpayers are struggling with increasing local property tax increases and the rising cost of living.

We need to re-industrialize to become financially and politically independent from the global corporations and special interests. America has to nation build to restore its prosperity. 47% of American households are too poor to be legally obligated to pay income taxes. American owned companies cannot compete with imported global corporate products made with cheap labor. We cannot survive competing with Chinese that earn $200 a month.

Focus on our own problems, end globalization, mass immigration and re-industrialize with free enterprise competitive American owned companies before we become another failed state. Stop voting for the two political parties that ruined America. Choose independent politicians and change them when they sell out to the special interest groups. Constitutional government must represent national interests that include corporations, the rich, the middle class and the poor.

Roman Gil
http://roman-gil1.blogspot.com

 

ROMAN GIL

6:05 PM ET

May 1, 2011

We can't afford to fight for our "favorite" nation.

We can't afford to feed and fight the world with borrowed money.

Every cause has an effect. Every action a reaction.

By intervening in the Israel-Muslim conflict, we created the conditions that started the American war with Muslim terrorists. Intervening in other countries always leads to war and enemies. Terrorism is the strategy of the powerless when they fight the powerful. The next step in this permanent war is that terrorists will detonate dirty nuclear bombs on the NATO countries and America. We have to stop the steps that are leading us to this end.

The terrorists have more time and supporters than we have money. To survive we have to stop all interventions in the world. Defend our borders and attack only targeted actual terrorists. This total divorce from the world's problems will eventually cause the terrorists to focus on their own power struggles because they will see that America is out of the area and that it's in their best interest to end terrorism against America to keep us out. This is the only way to end this permanent war before we enter the terminal stage of our economic and social cancer.

The $1.65 Trillion dollars out of a budget of $3.7 Trillion, that the Federal government has to beg and borrow this year and every year, should not be spent on war contractor profits and foreign affairs. Confront reality; The USA is the largest debtor in world history. The annual trade deficit (losses) is over $700 billion. Industry is only 9% of the economy. According to the official government statistics, 36% of males 16 to 64 years old are permanently out of the labor force and don't count. The Federal, State and local governments must reduce their size by 37% to fit actual taxes. There are not enough taxpayers to support this huge government of over 20 million people and an equal number of people that are employed by dependent government contractors. Taxes are too high already. Most taxpayers are struggling with increasing local property tax increases and the rising cost of living.

We need to re-industrialize to become financially and politically independent from the global corporations and special interests. America has to nation build to restore its prosperity. 47% of American households are too poor to be legally obligated to pay income taxes. American owned companies cannot compete with imported global corporate products made with cheap labor. We cannot survive competing with Chinese that earn $200 a month.

Focus on our own problems, end globalization, mass immigration and re-industrialize with free enterprise competitive American owned companies before we become another failed state. Stop voting for the two political parties that ruined America. Choose independent politicians and change them when they sell out to the special interest groups. Constitutional government must represent national interests that include corporations, the rich, the middle class and the poor.

Roman Gil
http://roman-gil1.blogspot.com

 

TABITHA

7:47 PM ET

May 4, 2011

the hate and misinformation submitted by readers

Your biases may not be reachable, but I have to try. The Jews have been in that land for 4,000 years; Arabs came on the scene in 624 AD, when Muhammad converted or slaughtered all who would not convert to Islam. Over 1400 years, most of the religions and cultures have been annihilated by warring Muslims - Zoroastrians, Buddhist, Hindus, Baha'is, Pharoahics, Copts, Jews and Christians. When the Jews were legally granted this small piece of land in the midst of the Islamic Middle East, the Muslims waged yet another war, illegally occupying the land for 19 years until Israeli won it back. Is this what you're basing your opinion on? 19 years?

Gaining land by war is considered illegal by international standards. Of the 59 Arabic countries in the Middle East, you are against one small piece of land for one Jewish country? Is this your response to the fairness of a people to return to their country of origin, that was, anyway, always inhabited by Jews. Are you aware that there were no Arab Palestinians until 1967, when they determined that a good strategy would be to give themselves the name of the land?

Islam is more than a religion; it is a complete civilization that includes politics (caliphate), jurisprudence (Sharia law), war (jihad), and the deliberate and deceptive misnomer of "religion of peace." Their doctrine, in three books, contains the words of Allah and Muhammed, which are to be obeyed unquestioningly, and to bring people to submission (Islam means submission). Over those 1400 years, killed 270 million people, and you're defending their continuing to kill again for the sake of taking Israeli land. Are you aware that they will also overtake Europe and America - are YOU willing to live under their repressive Sharia law (do you know about Sharia?)

Islamic doctrine is the destruction of all non-Islamic cultures until the entire world is under Islamic rule and Sharia law. They have waged more than 17,031 deadly jihad attacks since 9/11 - worldwide. They are at war with Israel, but do you realize they are at war with African countries (enslaving so many poor Sudanese), and Europe (making life very tough and changing the nature of European countries forever) and be aware of how America is destined to change if YOU don't understand and don't do something to keep our country free.

For those of you who think America and Israel is oppressive, you have the right to vote, the right to walk and wear what you want, the right to believe and worship and live as you wish, the right to love and marry and divorce, and play music. Islam prohibits all these things at the risk of stoning, beheading, amputating, torturing, and more. Do you really think you'd prefer life in a totalitarian Arabic regime?

Since they do not assimilate in whichever country they inhabit, they work to make YOU acquiesce to their religion and thoughts. This is not accommodation; it is conquest. They do not want to live according to our Constitution, but we should live according to Sharia. You folks haven't read enough...Look up "sharia for dummies" on the Internet; learn something.

Every attempt at peace by Israel has been met with a broken covenant and more rocket fire, or suicide bombers, and more. What sane country would ever send their citizens, their children out to commit suicide in order to kill others? Do you realize what you're siding with?

Are you aware that the purpose of Islamic terror and hate is to deflect the world's attention from what they do and from the tyranny of their own leaders. If they were civilized, there wouldn't be such evil taking place. But all the growth experienced by Europe and the Americas (modernization, increased productivity, improvements in health and science) did not take place in the Arab Middle East. They were left behind, and they're not able to cope with a deflated ego. Instead of lifting themelves up to the level of the rest of the modern world, they prefer to kill the infidels and reduce our democracies to their level, under their rule, with no freedom of thought or speech. Read books by those who were born Muslim and who left to join a better world, because only they can explain to you what life was like for them, under a autocratic rule with no freedoms.

Unless you're cowards, start putting your effort and energy into saving women from their captors in the Islamic world, and save the Darfurians and Sudanese from Islamic slavery. Find out for yourselves what's really happening in Israel, visit Israel, enjoy the freedom, their innovations, and how they treat their citizens. Know that they have more than one million Arabs as citizens, whereas Saudis have no Christians or Jews in their country and Palestinians want a country of Muslims only - with their laws of enshrouding women, honor killings, amputations for theives, stoning for adulterers, decapitation for crimes of comments against Islam; genital mutilation for their small daughters, plus marriages to older men; burning homosexuals – certainly beatings and torture for the crimes of practicing Judaism and Christianity.

Jews and Christians are not committing crimes against Muslims. You have fallen for a load of propaganda. Don't you owe it to yourselves to read, travel, learn, think for yourself? If Muslims are the oppressed people you believe them to be, why is it that they commit more than 80% of all the crimes in America - and Jews (2% of the population) have been most victimized?

And where are the “moderate Muslims.” They are NOT afraid to speak out when they want to; they do not want to. When people do not agree with something, they find a way to voice their opinions and objections. Muslims demonstrate against America's support of Israel; they demonstrate in the universities, and celebrated openly in the streets and in the Cleveland Clinic hallways on 9/11. They demonstrated in Dearborn, MI, and in Washington DC, and held prayer-ins, blocking traffic and intimidating the original citizens in America, Canada, throughout Europe – and they have the right to speak in America without fear of being killed or imprisoned. So these "moderate Muslims" support and are as complicit as those who actually wield ammunition.

Have I made anyone think? Christians and Jews welcome thinking...reading and thinking; Muslims tell you what to read and what to think. Where are you in all of this? Have I encouraged you to learn? Listen to thirteen 20-minute lectures on Islam by renowned Dr. Bill Warner, on http://actwestnashville.com/?page_id=544 (scroll down to see the buttons to click), and at least read:
Stealth Jihad, by Robert Spencer,
Sharia, the Threat to America, An exercise in Competitive Analysis, Report of Team B II.

If you can't think for yourself, you're like a dog at the end of a long line of dogs...looking at . . .

 

CLIFFBCALIF

4:23 AM ET

May 6, 2011

Good Effort

Those who understand the comparative behavior of civilized nations will agree with you, however, your intended audience, those who support those who are of a terrorist, murdering, and abusing bent in all likelihood will not and your words will fall on deaf ears and shut eyes. As someone once wrote, "They have eyes, but cannot see."

Those such as XEXON who are insanely anti-Jewish (despite their attempt to disguise it as anti- Israel) and pro-Muslim hold to a viewpoint not understood by Western intellectuals and other reasonable people. They see nothing wrong with an entity that executes anyone attempting to convert from their religion to another, that promotes the murder of women by men for "honor" (what a term) purposes, that refuses to educate its women, will not let them drive, forces women to hide behind veils, believes it has a right to own every inch of land on a part of a continent where non-Muslim peoples lived for thousands of years before anyone heard the word Muslim, etc. What can one expect when the founder of their faith was a non-working vagrant until he married into money.

The people with who you are trying to reason support those who commit terrorist acts and attacks on their neighbors with an attitude of correctness. They produce the massive majority of the world's suicide bombers, they indiscriminately fire shells and rockets onto their neighbors territory, teach their children to hate their neighboring non-Muslims in their school system, believe they can kill people because someone burns a book, believes they can assassinate anyone who actually says something they don't like about their de facto man god--Muhammad. and announce their aim is destroy their neighbors, etc.

They see nothing wrong with the above type of actions and when the neighbor finally tires of the disruption of their society and the murdering of their people and uses military force against their the terrorist nations, they support the terrorists who hide behind civilians when they fire and then profess shock when attacking army's soldiers, after having warned the civilians to flee the forthcoming battle scene, actually fire weapons at the terrorists who are the cause of collateral damage in the form of civilian deaths. Deaths they blame not on the cowardly terrorists who actually caused them, but instead blame on the Israeli's who warned the civilians they were coming and to flee. Warnings made at great risk for obvious reasons to the own soldiers.

Isn't it interesting how the wealthy Arabs build countless palaces and the like, but have no money to better their own poor?

If the supporters of the terrorist nations really had the welfare of the people in those areas at heart, they would be blogging them to give up violence, encouraging them to use peaceful protest, encourage them to stop being so greedy, encourage them to culturally change which they can start by giving women equal rights in all areas of behavior, open their societies and allow the practice of all religions instead of attacking them, etc. Do you think they will?

Good effort, but remember the intellectually and morally deaf (not meant to insult the deaf or any group through the terms I use) cannot hear or reason.

 

DEVILANSE

11:42 AM ET

May 6, 2011

Israel = Pakistan

Israel is Pakistan with better plumbing.

Pakis terrorize Afghanistan and India, Israel terrorizes Palestinians.

When Israelis voted for Netanyahu, they knew they were voting to imprison and torture an entire Nation.

With freedom breaking out across the region, Israel pushes tyranny and tribal vengance.

The time is fast approaching when the USA will reject Israeli blackmail and rip their bloody hands from our pocket.

Remember the USS Lberty !

 

RICH

11:09 PM ET

May 10, 2011

Israel as an ally

Allies don't shoot your ships and kill your seaman or soldiers. That is all I need to know about Israel.

 

PETERD

11:11 PM ET

May 10, 2011

Foreign Aid

The main vehicle for expressing support for Israel has been foreign aid; Israel currently receives about $3 billion per year in economic and military grants, refugee settlement assistance, and other aid. Congress has monitored the aid issue closely along with other issues in bilateral relations, and its concerns have affected Administration's policies.

 

DALLASDENTIST

1:53 AM ET

May 11, 2011

I was born there

I was born in Israel and moved to the U.S. with my family in the late 1970s. I can't remember much about my time there but I still am proud of my heritage. Growing up here in the U.S., I was always reminded about how lucky I was to have all the opportunities we have here by my parents. That's probably why I studied so hard getting a scholarship to Baylor College of Dentistry. Now I am a happy dallas dentist thanks to this great country.

Going a little off tangent, I can objectively say supporting Israel is absolutely crucial to the long term best interests of any western democratic society. Simply for the fact that Israel is a western style democracy in itself in the middle of a region where that is obviously not the norm. And yes, although we do spend quite a bit of money in aid, the U.S. does get some of that back. Israel is known for improving a lot of the defense technology we send to them (in the form of aid) and sharing that back with us.

-Dr. W

 

DIEALEGEND

9:31 PM ET

May 12, 2011

The Problem

Let me get this straight...the land originally belonged to arabs who were conquered by the Israelites, then conquered by different arabs, then the greeks, then the romans, then more arabs, then the crusaders, then more arabs, then the british and then even more arabs, and then finally the Jews...so who is to say that anyone deserves the land? As far as I am concerned, the world is a pretty tough place and in it only the strong survive. Im not rooting for UFC fighters or the Marines to take over the world but what I am saying is that it's pretty pointless to argue over who deserves what land because when it comes down to it nobody rightfully owns any of it. Sorry if I come off as ignorant, this topic is obviously more important to the millions of people caught in the middle of this age old pissing contest but when it comes down to it, the world will always have too many problems and not enough solutions. Sorry to all of those involved, it is truly a tragedy.

 

ELLERVEIRA

10:28 PM ET

May 12, 2011

Israel around our neck

Israel has been a millstone around the neck of the USA almost from its inception and has led us down the path to permanent war vs Islam. This will most likely drag the US down financially and morally and in general for years to come by burdening our budget with ridiculous military expenditures. The Lobby so well exposed by Mearsheimer and Walt is of course why this fatal embrace continues and why the US cannot unglue itself from this damaging relationship.
Until public opinion changes radically in the US nothing really can be done about the matter; and that change seems as far off as ever. One thing is certain, however. As the US power declines under the financial burdens of empire so will the security of Israel since the latter has made itself completely dependent upon the former. Israel may regret its having glued itself to the USA and vice versa.

 

NEWSEP

12:29 AM ET

May 13, 2011

US supports Isreal?

In this article Barack obama says United States has no better friend in the world than Israel and this whole article says US join hands with Isreal. So it is evident that the Muslims are going to be the first enemy for US. http://www.newsep.com

 

SAMIAMTWO

6:21 PM ET

May 22, 2011

Recognize Isreals right to exist

Subject says it all. Your link opens the front page. Can you please provide an accurate link to what you are suggesting?

 

GREGORY M

5:48 PM ET

May 15, 2011

USA Needs To Focus On The USA

I agree with many people that the United States needs to focus more on their own country; well I should say that we should focus more on our own country; being a lifetime citizen of the United States.

It's no wonder why the United States is in such bad debt, I mean when we are constantly giving other countries money for their problems, how can we ever expect to get out of debt? We won't if we keep going the way we are, and our taxes are going to just keep going up and up.

I love my country, but I agree with man that we need to mind our own business more often - or at least let some of the wealthy affiliates of the USA help with giving outher countries monetary support; but only when needed for reasons that are for 100% positive reasons. Things like feeding people, not fueling tensions or war.

As I am writing this I am watching the news on Israel, Palestine and Gaza right now - and it's sad and terrifying. I don't quite understand myself why the United States continues to support Israel so casually!

People really need to start coming together, regardless of skin color, citizenship of country, religion, and other personal preference. People need to start supporting people, period.

 

TRUTH85

1:17 PM ET

May 16, 2011

Some pretty strange statements in this article

" In Israel alone, the United States will not have to choose between upholding its democratic principles and pursuing its vital interests."

What about the democratic values given to the occupied Palestinians and the 2nd rate citizenship enjoyed by the Israeli Arabs? It seems like a state openly occupying territory and preventing the sovereignty and democratic rights of another people is not that democratic...

"Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that is certain to remain stable and unequivocally pro-American."

So a war every couple of years (2nd Intifada, Lebanon 2006 and Gaza 2008) is equivilant to stability in your book? That's a very strange standard of stability. Also let's not forget the dislike that the current PM has for the president of the United States (unequivocal support?) and the Israeli spying on the US in the past which definitely indicate just how supportive Israel is of the US.

"And in contrast to the Middle Eastern leaders who hold themselves above the law, a former Israeli president was recently convicted of sexual offenses"

And yet Ariel Sharon is found guilty by the Kahan Commission and is stripped of the Defense ministry only to return as Prime Minister... truly a beacon of justice and transparency.

"The official U.S. documents released by WikiLeaks show that Arab rulers are not preoccupied with Israel but with the perils posed by Iran."

It's laughable that, in an article pointing out the dictatorships of the rest of the middle east, one would think the rulers of the Arab nations actually represent the opinions of the majority of their people. The majority of Arabs have a major problem with the US support for Israel and that is a fact that will never change. There are fears of Iranian influence and there are other issues that impact Arabs' views of the US negatively, but the number one and most universal issue for ill will by some Arabs and Muslims towards the United States is the support for Israel which has irked them since before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and before Al Qaeda even existed.

The revolutions in the Middle East are not against the United States or Israel, they are against the despotic rulers in charge so it is not surprising that there is not much mention of those two foreign countries in local revolutions, despite the fact that Israel was one of the few countries openly supporting Mubarak to stay in power (politically) and the US has supported some of the falling dictatorships for decades.

"Israeli leaders offered to create a West Bank Palestinian state, but Palestinian leaders rejected the plan. Israel in 2000 offered the Palestinians sovereignty over virtually the entire West Bank, all of Gaza, and part of Jerusalem"

How dare the Palestinians demand the return rights of millions of fellow Palestinians living in exile and squallor? Shame on them! They should do as Israel says and take their 'sovereign' state that can not decide on matters of immigration or border security apparently...

"Settlements, meanwhile, have never been the impediment to peace. They did not preclude the signing of the Egyptian and Jordanian treaties or 16 years of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations."

What do negotiations with Jordan and Egypt have to do with settlements on Palestinian land? I think we all know just how much the governments of Jordan (Black September?) and Egypt (Siege on Gaza) really care about Palestinians...

" Internal Palestinian documents published recently by Al Jazeera reveal that Palestinian negotiators in 2008 were willing to concede the bulk of the Israeli communities in the West Bank, as well as most of the Jewish neighborhoods built over the 1967 line in Jerusalem, as part of a peace arrangement. Israeli leaders were ready to sign; the Palestinians again walked away."

The 'Palestinians' walked away because they knew such a deal would be completely unacceptable to almost all Palestinians and they had no right or legitimacy to give away massive amounts of land of an already tattered and torn nation to the Israelis in exchange for nothing. Fatah leadership would be hung in the streets if they gave up all that land...

"And even elected representatives can be profoundly hostile to the United States, as in Iran, Lebanon, and Gaza."

Interesting, because as i remember the United States and its allies sat by and watched as Hezb Allah took over half of Beirut by force from the democratically elected rulers of Lebanon thus resulting in the current political equation in that country where they (Hezb Allah) have taken the leading role.

"Israel is the only Middle Eastern state never to oppose America on major international issues. Its fundamental interests, like its values, are America's"

Are we forgetting the 1956 Arab-Israeli conflict where the US stepped in to ask for Israeli withdrawal from Egypt, or the Israeli opposition to the US asking for Mubarak to step down?

 

CLIFFBCALIF

7:13 PM ET

May 16, 2011

Flawed logic not truth

Your commentary is far to flawed and requires to much effort to correct it all, so only some setting the record straight.

You present no evidence that Arabs are second rate citizens in Israel, but perhaps you should have that debate with the Arab judges in Israel including those on, or previously on, their Supreme Court or perhaps those who are Generals (Yes) in the Israeli Army, etc. Israeli Arabs have the highest per capita income among their people in the middle east (absent the dictators families) and the only "requirement" not imposed on them is mandatory military service.

Stability refers to internal affairs of a country, not it being being attacked by other nations or terrorist groups. Perhaps the Western World should be as effective in controlling terrorist activities as have the Israeli's. Of course this country is doing all right in that area.

Holding oneself above the law and being convicted are polar opposites. Democracies like Israel convict people of crimes committed regardless of who they are or have been, Arab dictatorships do not. Thus Assad and Family kill hundreds (actually thousands) and remain in power and their world and supporters such as yourself complain not. After all, all one hears is silence over the Turks having murdered over 40,000 Kurds during the past three decades. raise your indignation against the Kurdish enslavement.

Courts find a person guilty, not commissions, just like in this country. Sharon was punished for his inept handling of the situation in Lebanon where the Israeli's allowed Lebanese Christians to enter a Palestinian refugee camp and murder people. The murders were committed by their fellow Arabs, who of course were never punished. It was just considered an act of revenge. He was later elected to office by the people in a free election. read this country's history. Andrew Jackson was elected president after his actions on behalf of his wife's honor.

Jordan did not attack the Palestinians during so-called Black September, their nation was attacked by a segment of the Palestinians living among them and the Jordanian Army reacted appropriately and crushed that assault on their nation. The Palestinians have a track record of attempting to interfere in other nations. They were kicked out of Kuwait for supporting Saddam's invasion, the PLO was happily kicked out of Lebanon after they established a foreign army on that country's soil. Arabs from countries with large Palestinian populations have no use to their presence and do not trust them, a la in Jordan.

Neither Israel nor Jerusalem is Arab, Christian, Muslim, or European property and never has been and never will be. While those groups may have temporarily stolen and occupied it, the Jews did the impossible and took it back. Maybe the American Indians will do the same some day for parts of their land stolen by Europeans. They do in fact live not even a second rate life in this country. Do you support their rights? Doubt it.

The Palestinian leadership lacked the courage to understand that President Clinton's plan was the best they will ever receive and more than fair. In fact, their people would have accepted it, even if Arafat ran the risk of assassination. They would now have an economically booming country in both the West Bank and in Gaza with a free travel road connecting them and a shared Jerusalem--which never has been an Arab city. Leadership requires courage, even if one does not get everything they want. Arafat was to interested in lining his pockets with stolen money, and look what happened--he died young anyway. An almost forgotten who wasn't even worth assassinating. Their lesson, and yours, is that great leaders struggling for their people act like Micheal Collins, not Arafat and Abbas. Look it up if you care. Micheal Collins was a truly great leader of a once oppressed people.

There is no such thing as the 1967 line or border. In 1948 Arab armies attacked the Jewish state attempting to undo the UN partition of a former British colony. They were partitioning an area the British had once promised in total would be returned to the Jews, but we know how the British act,.

The only semi-successful 1948 rab army was the British officer led and British armed and equipped Trans Jordan Arab Legion. They invaded what is now called the West Bank and assaulted Jewish Jerusalem. They were successful in conquering several of the neighborhoods in the city including a heavily Jewish area--driving those residents out. When the hostilities finally ceased, the warring countries agreed to "armistice lines," not borders. A significant legal difference.

In 1967, the Jordanian Army decided to attack Israel once again, despite Israel asking them not to attack. This time without their British officers, they were driven out of Jewish Jerusalem and out of the West Bank, which never has been part of any nation. It was a colony of most recently of the Turks, the British, the Jordanians, and then occupied by Israel. There never has been a country of Palestine.

If the Arabs cared so much for the Palestinian people, ask yourself why they have never sent large sums of money to fix up those camps. the squalor is there, but it is the fault of their rich brother Arabs.

Regardless of speculation in the American press, which is what you rely on for facts. Israel has never supported or attacked Mubarak. They, however, were not allies, just had an arrangement to prevent war between the countries. A cold peace at best. You are confusing Israel with Saudi Arabia, who doesn't believe this country should stab its allies in the back, or so they say.

Nations can disagree such as the British, French and Israeli invasion of part of Egypt. Israel went into Egypt in 1956 after that country barred shipping going into the Israeli port of Eilat, which they repeated in 1967. President Eisenhower agreed that the US would act with its Navy to lift any such future blockades if the Israeli's withdrew and so they did. When the Egyptians again blockaded the port in 1967, President Johnson refused to honor that agreement and the rest is history.

You can thank Hamas for motivating the Israeli's to impose military restrictions on any future Palestinian State. This country's leaders totally agree with reasoning. I suppose you just plan on ignoring the fact that the Palestinians recently murdered two activists working on their behalf and living among them. One in Gaza--an Italian and great young man of Jewish-Palestinian heritage living in the Jennin refugee camp. Be careful who you support. Go live among them and help them. Many of them are actually great people and deserve far better than their leadership is imposing on them.

Your facts are wrong, what passes for your logic is unsound, and the Palestinians are doomed until they mature and force their leadership to accept terms similar to Clinton's plan, accepted by the Israelis, and of course cease resorting to violence.

 

EDUKATE

9:27 AM ET

May 18, 2011

Why the US interest?

when it comes to the Middle East, its always about oil, money, money ,oil,

I say, bring on non-oil fuel alternatives for the world and then see what happens- the Middle East will be an even bigger desert than it is now and you wont see the US for dust....or sand storms.

Home Business Opportunities

 

SAMIAMTWO

6:24 PM ET

May 22, 2011

Israel = No Oil

Yeah, more than just oil, eh?

For the US, drill baby drill and stop relying on Saudi Arabia for the second largest batch...we get most of our oil from CANADA!

 

ANDREISUCIU

11:20 AM ET

May 22, 2011

US debt

I have to agree, US should take care of their own internal problems
. A Rapid cash tornado is needed to resolve US debt

 

SAMIAMTWO

6:15 PM ET

May 22, 2011

Libs

Man half of you netnutz are so far off. If you want to talk dollars we have significant trade with Israel...look inside your putter for on.

So we gave Israel 3B and they bought the F35 for 2.5B. You do the subtraction....and these monies come back as US jobs. It is call FMS, Foreign Military Sales.

Of all of the money that we have given the 22 nations of Arab, can you tell me what the US gets in return?

Israel is only 9 miles wide and the buffer is there for their protection...have any of you put up the two maps to show the pre and post 67 lines? You all act like they need more land but on a map they only want the buffer, which is small. You can't even tell the difference. The buffer is used to defend Israel borders from you guessed it...the Arabs who lob rockets at them.

First you get the bloody Arab nations including the Palestinians to allow Israel to exist...to recognize them as a sovereign nation...It is a piece of bloody paper, pulp. Then you have the Arab nutz stop lobbing rockets at Israel. Easy stuff and then you sit down and discuss the bloody 67 lines = hard stuff.

Abbas says he will run the Jew into the ocean...sounds like he's ready to negotiate...Iran is no friend. Jordan can turn on a dime and Egypt yeah they are killing Christians. Syria, sweet place, eh?

You have Israel surrounding, what do you really want?

A Francis Fox Piven moment...just what she expects to happen here in the US.

Rise up, unemployed led by young workers and by students...great...

Britain in 1923 issued a Mandate of Palestine. "Transjordan" was created as the Palestinian state. When it was broken up the name "Palestine" was kept for the west of Jordan for the Jews and a large amount of Arabs.

How many times must "Palestine” (i.e. the State of Israel) be divided?

Hell let the Arab nations take them the outcasts back...they by far have more land and oil. Israel is just dirt.

So you are Jew haters from what nation? Students taught be the older hippie sociologists? Or just ignorant of Israel and how much the Islamic fascists would love to kill all of them? First on Saturday then on Sunday.

I listen to the Arab nutz and it is all about killing...they don't peace they want PIECE and the death of all Jews.

You've become the bullies of the net with your hate of the Jew...and Christian.

 

BERNADS

11:59 PM ET

May 22, 2011

All Obama

Poor Obama. He has been snubbed all over the globe, most recently in India which just told Secretary of State Clinton it would like to grow its economy, thank you very much, and won’t limit carbon emissions. He’s stridently asserted he’s not interested in telling a country like Iran how it run its internal affairs but he has no compunction in trying to micromanage in East Jerusalem karmaloop promo codes, to tell the Israeli government to intervene to tell a private developer to cancel a project that’s been under contract for years, a project that involves a long uninhabited building, in a district that Israel claimed after winning the territory from the Jordanians in a defensive war. Obama has no legal, moral or historic standing here. He seems to be acting out of desperation, as if he needs to put a victory on the board, somewhere, anywhere. But this is the wrong fight to pick and he’s going to lose this one as well.

 

ROMAN GIL

5:20 AM ET

May 24, 2011

America's Fatal Love Affair With Israel

America’s Fatal Love Affair With Israel Gained Us a Permanent War.

If we had followed George Washington’s advice in his “Farewell Address”, we would not have become involved in the “War on Terror”. I loaded his complete address in my blog and highlighted the parts that are of special interest to Americans that believe in the American limited constitutional republic type of government.

By intervening in the Israel-Muslim conflict, we created the conditions that started the American war with Muslim terrorists. Intervening in other countries always leads to war and enemies. Terrorism is the strategy of the powerless when they fight the powerful. The next step in this permanent war is that terrorists will detonate dirty or conventional nuclear bombs on the NATO countries and America. We have to stop the steps that are leading us to this end and change the strategy to win and end the war before it escalates.

Why are we providing Israel annually with $3.5 billion American taxpayer debt dollars? They are rich and can afford to defend themselves. Israel has nuclear weapons and a strong military; they don’t need our money or participation in this Israeli-Muslim conflict that has been going on even before the founding of Israel in 1948. Why are we paying Egypt annually over $1.5 billion in foreign aid? The American taxpayer is paying foreign aid to many nations, but Communist China has no foreign aid. China buys oil fields, mines and finances the government debts of the American and now European governments. China is obtaining real power and influence by following the policy that George Washington explained in his “Farewell Address” advice to the American people.

The global interventionist policy gained us Israel’s enemies. The terrorist attack on 9/11 is a result of intervening in a conflict that concerns Israelis and Muslims. Osama Bin Laden’s strategy was to draw America into conflict in the Muslim world to bankrupt us like what happened to the former interventionist, expansionist Soviet Union. The Afghanistan war and the many Soviet global interventions bankrupted the Soviet Union and caused its ignoble collapse in 1991. We have been playing Osama’s game since 9/11 and we are losing our wealth and power.

We get most of our oil from Canada and other suppliers that are not in the Middle East. The Communist Chinese announced last year that they now have a controlling interest in Iraqi oil and proudly announced the receipt of the first oil shipments. It is clear that they have a strategy of gaining real power at the expense of the follies of other powers. We are fighting a war against maybe 2,000 Al Qaeda terrorists without a military strategy to win the war. Instead, the military talks about the nonsense of “nation building” and “democracy building” in Iraq and Afghanistan. We just added thousands of new enemies by intervening in Libya. The Libyans that Obama killed have families. Every bomb that falls in the American Muslim war is financed by debt and represents a nail in our coffin. We really know how to win friends and influence people.

An economist estimated that the total cost of the war on terror is $5 trillion. 57% of Americans that are fighting this war are contractors, not military personnel. The war contractors are now a powerful special interest group. They are not likely to voluntarily abandon this lucrative business and join the underpaid and overtaxed American civilian population.

The terrorists have more time and supporters than we have money. To survive we have to stop all interventions and occupations in the world. We must defend our borders and attack only targeted actual terrorists. This total divorce from the world's problems will eventually cause the terrorists to focus on their own internal affairs because they will see that America is out of their area and that it's in their best interest to end terrorism against America to keep us out. This is the only way to end this permanent war before we enter the terminal stage of our economic and social cancer.

The $1.65 Trillion dollars out of a budget of $3.7 Trillion, that the Federal government has to beg and borrow this year and every year, should not be spent on war contractor profits and foreign affairs. Confront reality; The USA is the largest debtor in world history. The annual national current account balance losses are over $700 billion (this is wealth that is lost according to the formula national assets-liabilities). Industry is only 9% of the economy. According to the official government statistics, 36% of males 16 to 64 years old are permanently out of the labor force and don't count. The Federal, State and local governments must reduce their size by 37% to fit actual taxes. There are not enough taxpayers to support this huge government of over 20 million people and an equal number of people that are employed by dependent government contractors. Taxes are too high already. Most taxpayers are struggling with increasing local property tax increases and the rising cost of living.

We need to re-industrialize to become financially and politically independent from the global corporations and special interests. America has to nation build to restore its prosperity. 47% of American households are too poor to be legally obligated to pay income taxes. American owned companies cannot compete with imported global corporate products made with cheap labor. We cannot survive competing with Chinese that earn $200 a month.

Focus on our own problems, end globalization, mass immigration and re-industrialize with free enterprise competitive American owned companies before we become another failed state. Stop voting for the two political parties that ruined America. Choose independent politicians and change them when they sell out to the special interest groups. Constitutional government must represent national interests that include corporations, the rich, the middle class and the poor.

Roman Gil
http://roman-gil1.blogspot.com

 

RONALDO

12:13 AM ET

May 25, 2011

Legally, until the

Legally, until the Palestinians negotiate a peace agreement with Israel, the land you are referring to was part of the Palestine Mandate, all of which the League of Nations unanimously James voted to be a Jewish Homeland.

 

ROMAN GIL

1:39 AM ET

May 25, 2011

America's Fatal Love Affair With Israel

America’s Fatal Love Affair With Israel Gained Us a Permanent War.

If we had followed George Washington’s advice in his “Farewell Address”, we would not have become involved in the “War on Terror”. I loaded his complete address in my blog and highlighted the parts that are of special interest to Americans that believe in the American limited constitutional republic type of government.

By intervening in the Israel-Muslim conflict, we created the conditions that started the American war with Muslim terrorists. Intervening in other countries always leads to war and enemies. Terrorism is the strategy of the powerless when they fight the powerful. The next step in this permanent war is that terrorists will detonate dirty or conventional nuclear bombs on the NATO countries and America. We have to stop the steps that are leading us to this end and change the strategy to win and end the war before it escalates.

Why are we providing Israel annually with $3.5 billion American taxpayer debt dollars? They are rich and can afford to defend themselves. Israel has nuclear weapons and a strong military; they don’t need our money or participation in this Israeli-Muslim conflict that has been going on even before the founding of Israel in 1948. Why are we paying Egypt annually over $1.5 billion in foreign aid? The American taxpayer is paying foreign aid to many nations, but Communist China has no foreign aid. China buys oil fields, mines and finances the government debts of the American and now European governments. China is obtaining real power and influence by following the policy that George Washington explained in his “Farewell Address” advice to the American people.

The global interventionist policy gained us Israel’s enemies. The terrorist attack on 9/11 is a result of intervening in a conflict that concerns Israelis and Muslims. Osama Bin Laden’s strategy was to draw America into conflict in the Muslim world to bankrupt us like what happened to the former interventionist, expansionist Soviet Union. The Afghanistan war and the many Soviet global interventions bankrupted the Soviet Union and caused its ignoble collapse in 1991. We have been playing Osama’s game since 9/11 and we are losing our wealth and power.

We get most of our oil from Canada and other suppliers that are not in the Middle East. The Communist Chinese announced last year that they now have a controlling interest in Iraqi oil and proudly announced the receipt of the first oil shipments. It is clear that they have a strategy of gaining real power at the expense of the follies of other powers. We are fighting a war against maybe 2,000 Al Qaeda terrorists without a military strategy to win the war. Instead, the military talks about the nonsense of “nation building” and “democracy building” in Iraq and Afghanistan. We just added thousands of new enemies by intervening in Libya. The Libyans that Obama killed have families. Every bomb that falls in the American Muslim war is financed by debt and represents a nail in our coffin. We really know how to win friends and influence people.

An economist estimated that the total cost of the war on terror is $5 trillion. 57% of Americans that are fighting this war are contractors, not military personnel. The war contractors are now a powerful special interest group. They are not likely to voluntarily abandon this lucrative business and join the underpaid and overtaxed American civilian population.

The terrorists have more time and supporters than we have money. To survive we have to stop all interventions and occupations in the world. We must defend our borders and attack only targeted actual terrorists. This total divorce from the world's problems will eventually cause the terrorists to focus on their own internal affairs because they will see that America is out of their area and that it's in their best interest to end terrorism against America to keep us out. This is the only way to end this permanent war before we enter the terminal stage of our economic and social cancer.

The $1.65 Trillion dollars out of a budget of $3.7 Trillion, that the Federal government has to beg and borrow this year and every year, should not be spent on war contractor profits and foreign affairs. Confront reality; The USA is the largest debtor in world history. The annual national current account balance losses are over $700 billion (this is wealth that is lost according to the formula national assets-liabilities). Industry is only 9% of the economy. According to the official government statistics, 36% of males 16 to 64 years old are permanently out of the labor force and don't count. The Federal, State and local governments must reduce their size by 37% to fit actual taxes. There are not enough taxpayers to support this huge government of over 20 million people and an equal number of people that are employed by dependent government contractors. Taxes are too high already. Most taxpayers are struggling with increasing local property tax increases and the rising cost of living.

We need to re-industrialize to become financially and politically independent from the global corporations and special interests. America has to nation build to restore its prosperity. 47% of American households are too poor to be legally obligated to pay income taxes. American owned companies cannot compete with imported global corporate products made with cheap labor. We cannot survive competing with Chinese that earn $200 a month.

Focus on our own problems, end globalization, mass immigration and re-industrialize with free enterprise competitive American owned companies before we become another failed state. Stop voting for the two political parties that ruined America. Choose independent politicians and change them when they sell out to the special interest groups. Constitutional government must represent national interests that include corporations, the rich, the middle class and the poor.

Roman Gil
http://roman-gil1.blogspot.com