Seeing this list of denials from Pakistani leaders over the last 10 years just makes my blood boil. No amount of "I told you so" or "I knew it" can give me enough satisfaction to overcome the nasty taste in my mouth. How much obstructionist talk did we put up with from them? I can't express my anger well enough.

Gar

Where is the evidence that he is killed yesterday ?

Where are the pictures captured OBL family ?

How come Hamid Mir (Geo News reporter) can interview Osama Bin Laden after 9/11 but CIA couldnt get him till yesterday.....stunned me ....took them nearly a decade.....one THING is for sure....Petraeus being CIA cheif gonna show us new US intelligence strategy....first glimp has alerady been shown.....waiting for next one....oh forgot to add on ....Obama in 2012 Zindabad!!!

That Whitey Bulger analogy is hilariously ironic. Bulger got away because of his FBI connections as a FBI informant.

Does this mean Bin Laden got away because of his Pakistan ISI connections?

In what way is Pakistan an ally of the United States. Perhaps it would be better if we stopped giving them $$$, froze them out of the picture, and partnered with India for stopping Muslim terrorism...I am sure the Indians would be more cooperative and more motivated.

U. S. is even more in denial about Pakistani State’s unwavering support to terrorist outfits on its soil.

U. S. knew that nobody forced Pakistani government to facilitate relocation of Osama bin Laden from Sudan to Afghanistan in 1996. Pakistan’s democratic government chose to do so of its own free will at the time.

Declassified DIA Washington D.C., "IIR (intelligence Information Report) Pakistan Involvement in Afghanistan," dated November 7, 1996 states how "Pakistan's ISI is heavily involved in Afghanistan," and also details different roles various ISI officers play in Afghanistan. Stating that Pakistan uses sizable numbers of its Pashtun-based Frontier Corps in Taliban-run operations in Afghanistan, the document clarifies that, "these Frontier Corps elements are utilized in command and control; training; and when necessary combat“.

Declassified U.S. Department of State, Cable "Pakistan Support for Taliban" from Islamabad dated Sept. 26, 2000 states that "while Pakistani support for the Taliban has been long-standing, the magnitude of recent support is unprecedented." In response Washington orders the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad to immediately confront Pakistani officials on the issue and to advise Islamabad that the U.S. has "seen reports that Pakistan is providing the Taliban with materiel, fuel, funding, technical assistance and military advisors. [The Department] also understand[s] that large numbers of Pakistani nationals have recently moved into Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban, apparently with the tacit acquiescence of the Pakistani government." Additional reports indicate that direct Pakistani involvement in Taliban military operations has increased.

The biggest delusion U. S. is still under is that Pakistan has sincerely joined U. S. fight against terrorism as claimed by John Brennan, the Whitehouse counter-terrorism advisor today (May 2, 2011).

Fact remains that Pakistan thinks that U. S. fight against Taliban in Afghanistan is failing as evidenced by Pakistani prime minister Gillani advising Afghan President Karzai to dump U. S. in favor of China. Afghan government had NO reason to mislead the world despite Pakistani denials about the same.

Fact remains that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly SPONSORING four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as written in 2009 by former U. S. ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan and as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.

I don't think that anybody in the administration believes what they're saying publicly about Pakistan, but what else is there to do? India doesn't border on Afghanistan, and closer ties to India at the expense of Pakistan would disturb the delicate balance of bullshit, and make China more paranoid into the bargain.

The President said that "the cause of securing our country is not complete" and that America has a "commitment to stand up for our values abroad".

Two points to note: (1) the war will go on (as if anyone doubted it) and (2) it is important to consider that standing up for US values abroad means provoking attack. As Naim Qassem, deputy secretary general of Hezbollah, stated, "when the West moves into a region, it does so with the intention of marketing its principles (that is to say, values), in a bid to impose its ideologies in our region... They seek to impose their own Western idologies, not taking ours into consideration... From here we consider that there is a conflict between us and the West". From the horse's mouth, so to speak. The US 'standing up' for US values abroad is a primary motivating factor of those who wish to perpetrate acts of terrorism against the USA. By committing to continue this policy, further conflict is inevitable.

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Pak has been in a state of denial for almost forever .Musharraf and others have suffered attacks on their lives by the very people they protected and promoted once. Still the govt,military,ISI protect the terrorists as though they are their own brethren . But the agenda of the terrorist organisations is to promote their own values & idealogy ,push Pak into something that Afghanistan society was in the 90's.These organisations have their own vision of govt,military structures. They will most certainly be the snakes that bite their own masters.

Pakistan,on the other hand, likes to think of itself as the champion of religious interests in the region right from Central Asia/Balkans to Arab world to South Asia and beyond (the dream of Zia-ul-haq ) .providing leadership to this region which is not acceptable to the countries it wants to dominate.
It does not believe in economic development as evidenced from it's policies and frequent non democratic regimes. Every regime of Pak ,due to it's nuclear inheritance and large cache of weapons given by the US and large conventional and volunteer forces(terrorists) gets intoxicated by this leadership. It's impossible to think that they would let go of this power just because of common sense or certain unfavourable events.Instead it would gamble on the future when it will be continue to be sought after by the world as an ally.

Interesting facts!

1) Abbotabad is a Hazara town. The Hazaras are strongly against Al Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban because of the massacre of the Hazaras, many of whom are Shias, in East Afghanistan when the Taliban was in power in Kabul. In fact, it is surprising that OBL took shelter in that town despite the strong presence of the Hazaras there.

2) As Son of Mohammad bin Laden, an affluent businessman engaged in civil construction works, Osama followed in his father's footsteps -initially- and became a qualified civil engineer. As fighter in Afghan war Bin Laden also constructed tunnels. These tunnels would open up near Soviet encampments and Mujahideen would come out and surprise the Soviets.

3) House in which Osama was living is 800 Meters away from Kakul Military Academy - which is like West Point Academy of US or Sandhurst of UK. Army and ISI chiefs visited Kakul as part of their business often!

Too many co-incidences?

Interesting facts!

1) Abbotabad is a Hazara town. The Hazaras are strongly against Al Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban because of the massacre of the Hazaras, many of whom are Shias, in East Afghanistan when the Taliban was in power in Kabul. In fact, it is surprising that OBL took shelter in that town despite the strong presence of the Hazaras there.

2) As Son of Mohammad bin Laden, an affluent businessman engaged in civil construction works, Osama followed in his father's footsteps -initially- and became a qualified civil engineer. As fighter in Afghan war Bin Laden also constructed tunnels. These tunnels would open up near Soviet encampments and Mujahideen would come out and surprise the Soviets.

3) House in which Osama was living is 800 Meters away from Kakul Military Academy - which is like West Point Academy of US or Sandhurst of UK. Army and ISI chiefs visited Kakul as part of their business often!

Too many co-incidences?

Awake Britain!
The modern world is a deadly place and at the center of this threat is a malevolence that emanates from Pakistan. Yet again they have been caught red handed and surprise surprise they deny any knowledge!
For those who haven,t heard of AQ khan the nuclear scientist that provided North Korea, Iran and Syria with nuclear technology damaged international security irreparably. He is another criminal that is protected by the Pakistani state. Why?
"Last July, Dr Khan told the media that Pakistan had transported uranium enrichment equipment to North Korea in 2000 with the full knowledge of the country's army,"
Cameron stop the money transfer to India and then to our enemies!! If you want to be a true leader tell Pakistan we will investigate how Bin Laden was able to hide in plane sight for so long. Also tell Pakistan that we won't tolerate their games any longer.

I fear that killing Bin Laden will hurt the U.S. - Al Kaida Peace Process.

The extraordinary discovery that Osama bin Laden had been living, possibly since 2005, in a luxury compound in a popular summer resort a short drive from the national capital, Islamabad, is an enormous and dangerous embarrassment for Pakistan’s government.

Officials from President Asif Ali Zardari downwards have consistently maintained that the al-Qaida chief was not sheltering on Pakistani soil, suggesting instead that the Americans look for him elsewhere, particularly in Afghanistan.

The Pakistani stance was part of a wider policy of denial, dating back to the 9/11 attacks, premised on the argument that Pakistan was not the source and springboard for Islamist-inspired terrorism but rather its principal victim. All this while Pakistan-based terrorist were pouring the blood of innocent men, women and children in public places. Imagine the horror of a mother having her baby literally blown into pieces while fresh blood stains the child's umbrella stroller in inconceivable ways. Islamabad’s head-in-the-sand position, as it is seen by some analysts in the west, has led to intensifying friction with Washington in recent months, as the Obama administration struggles to bring an ordered end to its 10-year involvement in Afghanistan.

Pakistan will now face possibly strong reactions not only from the Americans, but also from home-grown militants – plus possible spillover from Afghanistan, where fighting is in any case expected to intensify as the weather warms.

What a lot of wasted energy!

Thank you, President George W. Bush. Without your administration's "enhanced interrogation" techniques, we would not be having this conversation.

My hat is off to you, sir! Thank you!

that they knew anything? Maybe all those lies and distractions by the Pakistani Government were actually truths. I'm pretty sure the ISI runs a lot of stuff on their own without bothering to mention it to their government. We all know the ISI believes Afghanistan is their backyard and should be run by, at the very least, a Pakistani friendly regime. Who's to say that the ISI, without the government's knowldedge, had OBL hiding out, owing favours to the ISI for when the US and the UN backs out of the Afghanistan and leave it hanging for the Taliban and AQ to start over again. We all know Karzai won't survive the West backing out, he'll take his, and Afghanistan's money, and run, blaming his downfall on inadequate support from the West.

In the end, I too believe that the Pakistani Government probably had some knowledge of OBL's whereabouts, having them in their back pocket for whatever reason they could come up with. But we don't know for sure. Before we start calling for the noose, maybe we should dig into the evidence. This is a very similar occasion to Iraq. We never had any solid proof of WMD, but too many people assumed it was the case, and fit the evidence to their beliefs, instead of ensuring the evidence was real, and look what happened.

I want to propose a radical thought. The ISI/Pakistani Army are the real Alqaida/Taliban. Think about it before refuting.

I'm not sold on all this. I find it HIGHLY probable that Pakistan, in fact, had no idea where Bin Laden was. If you read into the history of Bin Laden, some of his legit biographies and so on, it seems that he actually detested the Pakistanis (ISI and so on), and would have wanted nothing more then to bring down their whole government.
Plus, if you were Bin Laden, maybe the smartest thing you could do would be to hide in plain sight, as close to the Pakistanis as possible...a place they would almost never think to look. Others on here have proclaimed that Pakistan was either in bed with Binladen or extremely inept, but I would like to remind them that it took us 7 years to find Eric Rudolph here in the US...so, are we inept then as well?
Either way, I have no doubt whatsoever, given the Pakistani Hierarchy, that the civilian leadership in Pakistan, had no idea whatsoever that Bin Laden was where he was. The ISI is the real question however...but I'm still not sold that they are as all knowing and competent as people are assuming they are.
so, while I am no fan of Pakistan, and our relationship with them, I also think that Bin Laden made a VERY smart move living where he did. In the end, we got lucky with the gitmo detainees and the couriers, and STILL ended up only 60% sure (according to Panetta) that he was actually in the house. Apparently, it was a complete gamble down to the end.
I just think this works out very well for us, and gives us an upper hand in the relationship, and a chance which allows us to point the finger at the ISI after the Raymond Davis affair. Did Pakistan really know where UBL was hiding? Only time will tell, but I think it is equally probable that they had less of an idea than we did.

Just thinking out loud.

No doubt many Pakistani officials knew or had a good idea where bin Laden was holed up, so what? Even if true, does it really tell anyone anything they did not already know? It is much more interesting that the event, having provided the US electorate a big shot of retributory joy at a trying time, is likely to secure President Obama a second term, which could well have a significant influence on world affairs, particularly in the Middle East. I somehow doubt Netanyahu is celebrating this demise with any genuine enthusiasm.

The civilian govt often displays plausible deniability in the face of actions taken by the ISI or the army (just like Nawaz sharif over a decade ago). Perhaps OBL was invited by the former ISI chief Nadeem taj during his tenure,who was abruptly removed on US pressure due to his links with the taliban. Only a revelation in an autobiography or some form of leaked documents would reveal the truth . To sustain a houseguest for more than 5 years ,right under the nose of the military ,and yet deny that any of the power structures of Pakistan(Govt,Army,ISI) or it's subelements were aware of it is hard to fathom.

If we didn't have major interests in Pakistan, like say enough nuclear weapons to kill off a huge chunk of the human population, then I can assure you the US would have already invaded them. While there are many noble people within the Pakistani government and military that have the same goals as the US, there are unfortunately a huge fraction that hate the west and will harbor terrorists for the simple fact that they are still Muslim.

I'll say it again because it's important to note, if Pakistan didn't have a stockpile of nuclear weapons and was geographically located near US strategic interests (Iran, China, Afganistan, etc), there would have been military intervention right after 9/11 in that country. Pakistan has always posed a bigger threat to the world than Iraq or Afghanistan ever did.

Ashton, Vaporizer Reviews Co

The “Osama Bin Laden Is Dead Story” Has Many Questions That Need To Be Investigated.

Osama Bin Laden was a terrorist and deserved the death penalty. This is why the media must investigate this story instead of merely parroting the information that was provided by the government.

Based on my experience as a decorated US Army combat veteran, this story has credibility problems. I tried to post these questions in the comments section of several mass media publications and they did not get posted. A free press is essential in a free society because it has a duty to investigate what the government is doing and it must educate citizens. A free media must publish all responsible questions from the public and be open to debate. Thomas Jefferson said that given the choice between government and a printing press, he would take the printing press.

1. Why they did not show Osama’s body publicly? In 1967, Che Guevara the Communist guerrilla was captured alive wounded in Bolivia, interrogated, killed and his body was displayed to the world media. A responsible government would display Osama’s body to the media and to a panel of international physicians to prove without a doubt the death of the most wanted terrorist in the world. The government version that Osama’s head was too damaged to show the public is not credible. Morticians can prepare a body for public display. Media and international physicians would be welcome to take DNA samples from the body as total proof of Osama’s demise.

2. Osama was unarmed when they shot him? Osama was a terrorist veteran of the Afghan Soviet war that was waged in the 1980s between Islamist guerrillas and the Soviet Union. Anybody with his background would have alarmed, mined and booby trapped his house. Weapons would be in his possession at all times and in every room of the house, including hand grenades. He had plenty of time to install command detonated mines everywhere outside and inside the compound. I have problems believing that the most wanted terrorist in the world was killed while unarmed. When I was in a war zone, my weapon was with me at all times and I slept with it and lots of ammo and hand grenades, could Osama be so foolish that he did not have weapons in his room?

3. There were no American casualties? This is simply not credible because attacking a compound that is occupied by dangerous men that had plenty of time to prepare for defense, makes it certain that the attackers must sustain casualties. Osama’s terrorist group specializes in suicide bombers of both sexes. They could not spare even one of them to protect their leader?

4. Why did we spend $1.5 Trillion dollars occupying and "nation building" Iraq and Afghanistan instead of targeting Osama's less than 1,000 terrorists?. We could have got Osama 10 years ago at a reasonable cost. When American troops landed in Afghanistan after the 9/11 terrorist attack, the Afghan Northern Alliance had already overthrown the Taliban government that harbored Osama. It was not necessary to occupy the country. A war using Special Forces would have been sufficient

5. Why are we still involved in the Israeli-Muslim conflict? This is the cause of the war on terror. We inherited Israel’s enemies and they struck us on 9/11. The effects of our involvement will continue until we divorce from the Muslim world and focus on killing the actual terrorists until they are finished. Our absence from the Muslim world will make Muslims eventually stop provoking us with terrorism because they will want to keep us out. It is common sense that it would be in the Muslim interest to stop terrorism against America to keep America from coming back to their lands. With America out of the Israeli-Muslim conflict, the Muslims will be free to focus on their affairs and their problem with Israel. Israel has nuclear weapons and a strong military that assures it that it can survive any war without America. The only beneficiaries of the present war on terror are the war contractors and the special interest groups.

Some possible explanations for this unusual story;

a) The government killed Osama Bin Laden but it believes that it is not necessary to provide conclusive proof of their actions because they are universally loved and trusted. This means that they are incompetent because they did not prove their story.

b) Osama Bin Laden was hooked on opium and developed a false sense of security. His followers shared this drug problem and failed to fortify and provide guards for the Osama compound.
c) The masses are so stupid that they will accept without question anything that the government and media tells them, so why bother with proof?

d) Osama Bin Laden died years ago, and now it is a convenient time to bring him back to distract the masses and continue the hugely profitable war on terror and gain mass support for a government that cannot exist without debt and financial dependency on special interest groups.

e) This story is a case that simply shows the irresponsibility and incompetence of the American government.

The $1.5 Trillion spent on the war on terror continues to pile additional debt and there is no end in sight. The money that was wasted on fighting this war with a wrong strategy could have been wisely invested by loaning it to private enterprise companies that would be protected from cheap imports. A new industrial policy like South Korea’s would reconstruct and protect a new American industrial base that would replace the industry and technology that global corporations exported to China and other Third World countries under the globalization false ideology that has ruined America and Europe and created millions of permanently unemployed people. America would be able to replace imports with nationally produced products and services. The trade losses would end and careers in science, engineering, chemistry and skilled jobs would be abundant in an industrial economy.

With a new industrial base, America would be independent of imports and global debt financing. Presently, the Federal government needs to annually beg and borrow $1.65 Trillion a year from international capital and US investors because the industrial base of the American economy is only 9%. There are not enough corporate or individual taxpayers to support the huge Federal, State and local governments, plus their armies of government contractors. In any case, the American governments must reduce their size and expenses by 40% to balance their budgets and avoid digging America deeper into debt and dependency on the kindness of creditors.

The present economic and political dependency of the American economy on debt, special interest groups and imports makes a continuation of the present globalist war on terror fatal for America. It’s a choice of nation building America before it becomes a terminal case of financial and social cancer, or continue to dig the debt and dependency grave deeper until we end like other failed world powers, including the British Empire, the French Empire and Soviet Union.

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What's the difference between Obama, our so called justice system, our congress "sheltering" the Bush WMD's in Iraq war thugs from being held accountable for their crimes against humanity in Iraq and Pakisan "sheltering" OBL from being held accountable for his crimes against humanity.

The only difference I see is that Bush, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz,Rice have gotten away with their war crimes and instead of being made to stand trial at the Hague or international seals of sorts being sent out to bring attention to the U.s. sheltering these war criminals Rice, wolfowitz, Feith Cheney are allowed to be beamed into our living rooms on MSNBC spewing their twisted opinions and lies.

They are responsible for far more death and destruction.
"Justice will be done" when the justice and accountability standards are applied to these war criminals too.

The whole world is watching and waiting.

"If Whitey Bulger can live undetected by American police for so long, why can't Osama bin Laden live undetected by Pakistani authorities?" - Pakistani Ambassador

REALLY??!!! LOLOL

He used an example of a man, Bulger, who HAD FBI INFORMANTS HELPING HIM OUT!!!

So is the Ambassador stupid....or is he saying that Pakistan, like Bulger in the US, helped bin Laden out????

Talk about a bad example to use. Awesome! LOLOLOL

The worst part is a survey recently said that 66% of Pakistani's still don't believe that Osama is dead. Al Queda itself has said that Osama is dead. I think Pak people are not living in reality and still think that their main enemy is America.

America did a big blunder by giving huge financial aid to Pak which in turn was redirected to buy more arms and to fund terrorists.