Tweets of Gore

NPR social-media guru Andy Carvin explains the ethics of Twitter in a time of revolutionary upheaval.

Interview by BLAKE HOUNSHELL | MAY 6, 2011

When the uprising in Tunisia began last winter, as most Western media outlets stayed away, Andy Carvin (@acarvin), a digital strategist at NPR, began tweeting fragmentary reports of protests, violence, and salutary acts of courage uploaded by "citizen journalists" -- ordinary Tunisians capturing the revolution in real time. Since then, Carvin has been the world's go-to source on the Arab revolt, tracking gripping and often bloody news and footage on his Twitter feed. He spoke with FP's Blake Hounshell about his one-man "editorial policies" and the unique dilemmas of new journalism. Excerpts:

FOREIGN POLICY: On Twitter, you've become a sort of advocate for sharing really gruesome images. You've tweeted a lot of horrifying videos from Libya, Syria, etc., and I know you have a philosophy behind that. Tell me what you're thinking when you share these images.

ANDY CARVIN: I don't think of myself as arguing for gruesome photos and I'm not this ‘Grim Reaper' or anything like that. But I think the way the media handles images of violence during war is changing because of the Internet. If you go back as recently as, 15 or 20 years ago when the Internet wasn't a primary way of people getting access to information, you have mass media -- broadcast media, print -- as the way people would get much of their news, for visual news.

And given the fact that it wouldn't be that unusual for a family to have a newspaper sitting on their breakfast table each morning, it made a lot of sense in not putting photos above the fold on the front page that would be rather gruesome. It doesn't seem appropriate. It's the same way when families would traditionally watch the 6:30 evening news, because it was such a mass audience. I think they tried to be careful about what they showed. (Though there were always exceptions, especially during Vietnam: the famous photo of the naked Vietnamese girl who had been burned by napalm or the general shooting the Viet Cong in the head. There have definitely been times when shocking photos and footage were shown, but it was always the exception and not the rule.)

Then you have the Internet coming along, and the revolutions that have been happening over the last five months. First of all, a lot of the footage that came out of Libya, especially early on, was purely because of members of the public capturing it through their smartphones or their Flipcams or whatever they happened to have. There was no Western presence there, and so they were making their own decisions about what to upload, and often it was uncensored and quite gruesome. And it certainly helped the Western media, helped informed them of what was going on. Because the Internet is essentially a series of choices, I think it's easier to point out those types of footage.

So, for example, if I've shared a video of something that's rather disturbing -- first of all, you need to be following me on Twitter to be exposed to it, or following someone on Twitter who's retweeted it. And then secondly, you have to choose to open it. I never post anything as a surprise. If there's footage of a group of soldiers who have had their arms tied behind their backs and been executed because they've refused to shoot protesters, I will explain that in my tweet with the link to it, because I don't want people to accidentally click on it and see something they're not prepared for. There are even times when I'll say, ‘Here's the link to something but I recommend you actually not watch it because it is too disturbing.' But I think it's important to keep a record of all of this footage.

So much is getting lost already. We're probably only seeing a small fraction of the footage that's being captured by members of the public in North Africa and the Middle East. And it would be difficult to tell the story of what's actually going on the ground if we didn't actually know what the footage shows. It's too easy for us to sanitize war and the fact that these people who are caught in the middle of it are essentially screaming out through YouTube and through Twitter and Flickr and Facebook: ‘This is what's happening to us.' I think the public would find it hypocritical if we didn't acknowledge it. People can find this stuff anyway, if they want to.

It's one of the reasons why there's been a lot of commentary about how the media handled bin Laden's death. People were talking about it on Twitter for 90 minutes or two hours before Obama spoke and newscasters on TV were struggling to figure out what to say. They didn't know how far to take it and what to acknowledge even though pretty much everyone knew that this was what was going to be the announcement.

FP: The irony, by the way, was it was actually a TV station that tipped off Rumsfeld's guy.

AC: Right.

FP: And then he tweeted it.

AC: Right. There's always this cycle; it's an echo chamber, and if you're not paying careful attention, you don't know who started it. So within, I don't know, 20 minutes of Obama giving his speech, I saw on Twitter people sending around this photo that looked like Osama bin Laden being shot in the head, or actually shot in the eye.

And the first thing I did, I did an image search for it and within 2 minutes I found it on a blog from last year, talking about a conspiracy theory about him being dead for years, and that was the proof of it. So clearly this was a photo that had been floating around for a while, and it was just resurfacing. So before I went to bed that night, I said, "OK folks, this particular photo? Debunked. Let's pass that along." Meanwhile, it got picked up by a number of other news sources the following day and members of Congress saw it and thought it was real and mentioned publicly that they had seen the photo.

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Andy Carvin (@acarvin) is senior strategist at NPR. Blake Hounshell (@blakehounshell) is managing editor at Foreign Policy.

COMETLINEAR

7:57 PM ET

May 6, 2011

The most significant factor in modern politics

...is the fact that everyone now keeps a video camera in their pocket.

Long ago I foresaw the emergence of a technology which would allow you to take digital video and upload it to the Internet, thus circumventing *all* censors. This has recently become reality.

For the first time, we see footage of common people under fire, as well as the graphic results of violence. It's going to be interesting to see the long term impact of these new tools.

 

WEBSPACEBOX

5:29 AM ET

May 7, 2011

tweet vs video

many people have uses camera, and capturing most of their life or other incidents in day today life. so capture image or video & put on the web for world to watch.

 

SCOTTB23

8:39 AM ET

May 9, 2011

Without a Trace?

Its true, in an age of Wikileaks, Youtube and Twitter, the smallest voice can shout louder than any mainstream media channel if the message is important enough. All you need is a phone and your news can be broadcast to millions, it becomes unavoidable.

Politically, this is clearly terrifying governments (as seen in Egypt) however it also works in reverse, the chain is so easily identifiable. Imagine if taken hostage and expected to divulge information on your supporters, all someone would need is your facebook and twitter accounts, and they have names, pictures maybe even birthdays of everyone you have been in contact with. Horrible implications when mixed with evil intentions.

The age of Twitter can both be a blessing and a curse, its a massive platform for free speech but it leaves a trail.

Scott Bass - Parkour Filmmaker

 

ASHTONKAYE

10:50 AM ET

May 9, 2011

Think twice would be Dictators

Hopefully with the advent of social media, and its exponential growth would be dictators and power hungry war lords will think twice before enslaving their people. In the times that we are in they might last a few years, but they should realize that with the power and the lavish lifestyle comes a one way ticket to sure death or exile.

 

LEAHID11

4:05 PM ET

May 9, 2011

Think twice before clicking

Right after Osama's death one of the nastiest bugs/virus hit facebook. Anybody who clicked the "see Osama's dead body" link was infected. Lesson learned from social networking, but maybe in the future social media will help catch people like Osama faster. - Leather Hide

 

GDE

5:43 PM ET

May 10, 2011

Censored

Almost everyone of age has seen the Kim Phuc napalm photo. I hope it played a positive role in changing the attitude of the US public toward that war. The iconic photo of the US war against Iraq is a young girl crying because her dress is spattered with the blood of her parents, killed because cowardly US soldiers did not know how to run a checkpoint, even after years of similar events.

How many in the US have seen that photo? How many in the US know the war is against the civilian population? (The US is not fighting a military.)

 

REM686

3:01 AM ET

June 4, 2011

Revolutionary upheaval

Politically, this is clearly terrifying governments (as seen in Egypt) however it also works in reverse, the chain is so easily identifiable. Imagine if taken hostage and expected to divulge information on your supporters, all someone would need is your facebook and twitter accounts, and they have names, pictures maybe even birthdays of everyone you have been in contact with. this Horrible implications when mixed with evil intentions. many people have uses camera, and capturing most of their life or other incidents in day today life. so capture image or video & put on the web for world to watch

 

JACK IDDYLIA

6:02 PM ET

June 5, 2011

this is clearly terrifying

this is clearly terrifying governments (as seen in Egypt) however it also works in reverse, the chain is so easily identifiable. Imagine if taken hostage and expected to divulge information on your supporters, all someone would need is your facebook sazkove kancelare and twitter accounts, and they have names, pictures maybe even birthdays of everyone you have been in contact with. Horrible implications when mixed with evil intentions.I hope it played a positive role in changing the attitude of the US public toward that war. The iconic photo of the US war against Iraq is a young girl crying because her dress is spattered with the blood of her parents, killed because cowardly US soldiers did not know how to run a checkpoint, even after years of similar events.