The Fight Goes On

In Afghanistan, bin Laden's dead and the Taliban don't care.

BY ANNA BADKHEN | MAY 11, 2011

DASHT-E-LEILI, Afghanistan — Three green police pickup trucks roared up a serpentine gravel road and disappeared in cumuli of dust, careening toward Kushteppeh, where a government outpost was under attack by Taliban fighters. Moments later, seven motorcycle riders in black turbans -- masked, and armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles and at least one rocket-propelled grenade launcher -- inched out from behind a dune, pulled out onto Highway A76, and trundled in the opposite direction.

A decade ago, Jowzjan province became a grotesque symbol of Taliban defeat. In November 2001, U.S.-backed forces of Afghan General Abdul Rashid Dostum slaughtered up to 2,000 Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners of war here and dumped their bodies into unmarked pits, turning Dasht-e-Leili -- the "Lily Desert" in Dari, where skeleton plants' pale flowers push through the dunes toward an immense, bruised sky -- into the site of the first landmark atrocity in America's war against terrorism. The massacre's 3,014 survivors were taken to jail in the provincial capital, Shibirghan, and some were later transferred to Guantánamo Bay.

Ten years after the massacre, the Taliban are ruling entire districts in Jowzjan. They ride motorcycles fully armed through the province in daytime, set up impromptu checkpoints to levy taxes on travelers, and terrorize the province's meager police force. Likewise, the killing of Osama bin Laden, seen in Washington as a significant landmark that may somehow affect fighting in Afghanistan, has no more significance than any other war death in this loess vastness: just another element in the composite of violence that makes up the battered landscape of this graveyard of empires.

"Bin Laden was just one man. Why should his death bring any changes here?" said Colonel Nur Ahmad, the deputy police chief of Jowzjan province. "There are parts of the province where even the police can't go without risking death. Tell me: What does Osama have to do with it?"

That anyone should consider bin Laden's death auspicious to the course of the counterinsurgency is a surprising notion to many in northern Afghanistan, where the Taliban have been gaining rapid momentum over the past 18 months. In Balkh province, village elders, farmers, and taxi drivers have told me they saw no connection at all between the killing of al Qaeda's founder and war -- Afghanistan's near-permanent state for millennia, uninterrupted since the Soviet invasion in 1979. In Mazar-e-Sharif, where an enraged mob lynched 12 U.N. workers last month, Balkh provincial police chief, General Ismatullah Alizai, cackled with derision when I brought up bin Laden's name.

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Anna Badkhen is the author of Peace Meals and Waiting for the Taliban. She is writing a book about timelessness. Her reporting from Afghanistan is made possible by a grant from the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting.

IAN

6:06 PM ET

May 11, 2011

Anna Badkhen...

Please, please keep writing from Afghanistan. You're articles are always insightful and interesting, providing an on-the-ground perspective you don't see hardly anywhere else.

 

MARTY MARTEL

6:21 PM ET

May 11, 2011

AQ/QST/HQN/TTP alliance and Pakistani malarkey

May be Taliban didn’t hear what Hillary Clinton had to say about death of bin Laden and Taliban coming around to negotiate.

Afterall Adm. Mullen (a close friend of General Kayani) said to the foreign news media on 1/13/2011 about America’s primary ally in its fight against terrorism: “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it [Pakistan] is the epicenter of terrorism in the world right now. It is absolutely critical that the safe havens in Pakistan get shut down. We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without that. It’s not just Haqqani Network anymore, or Al Qaeda or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan), the Afghan Taliban, or LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyeba), it’s all of them working together.”

So Osama’s death is NOT stopping this grand alliance of Osama’s Al Qaeda, Mullah Omar’ QST, Hafiz Saeed’s LeT and TTP to keep waging their jihad against US/NATO forces from their Pakistani hideouts.

Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly SPONSORING four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.

And yet Hillary Clinton’s State Department keeps up the pretense that Pakistan is U. S. ally in its fight against terrorism.

Hillary Clinton’s State Department keeps buying the Pakistani malarkey that ’nuclear weapons are in danger of falling in the hands of Islamic fundamentalists if Pakistani government collapses’.

How can Pakistan be in danger of falling to the Islamic fundamentalists if Pakistani Army and ISI are SPONSORING those very Islamic fundamentalists led by Osama bin Laden, Haqqani, Mullah Omar and Hafiz Saeed as reported by ambassador Patterson?

 

PDUBEY

2:33 AM ET

May 12, 2011

good point

True .. This bluff has been in use by the Pak authorities for more than a decade now and in return has extracted it's gains in the name of financial & military aid ..
Yet People argue that we cant treat the country as a single entity, there are numerous intricacies & diverse idealogies . There's no definite power centre and there's little control over the tribal hotbeds of Fata,Khyber,parts of Balochistan.
Time for the US to again force the issue by saying 'Either you are with us or against us " .

 

BENNO_M_1984

7:31 AM ET

May 12, 2011

I dont know if he is really

I dont know if he is really dead. nobody has seen a picture of his dead corpus or anything like that....
But your arcticles are grat so please keep writing from Afghanistan.And pleas provide us with Tour Tickets. You're articles are always insightful and interesting, providing an on-the-ground perspective you don't see hardly anywhere else.

Thank you very much !

 

RYP

2:14 PM ET

May 12, 2011

Facts or Fantasy

"In November 2001, U.S.-backed forces of Afghan General Abdul Rashid Dostum slaughtered up to 2,000 Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners of war here and dumped their bodies into unmarked pits"

really? did you count them :))

You are propagating a myth.

The other myth was Bin Laden was liked or even wanted by the taliban. He landed in Jalalabad in 1996 far away from taliban controlled areas to live with Khalis and a group of criminals, later after sucking up to Mullah Omar, he was kept under watch by the talibs who didn't trust him and fled to Tora Bora after launching the suicide mission under Abdul Aziz from Kunduz to Mazar. Most of those men were gunned after they tried to blow themselves up and kill their captors in a false surrender. The dead from Qali Jangi were buried by by the buzkashi field and the 86 survivors mostly went to Gitmo.

The fable about "the convoy of death" is about as real as "chechen"s fighting and the taliban liking the Ansar foreigners. The taliban has fought for an Afghan country free from foreign influence. They tolerate the Pakistanis as cannon fodder and the Uzbeks as hard fighters but they want them all out.

Please do your research and don't parrot fables.

best wishes

RYP

They are buried

Nobody liked the foreigners then either.

 

ASHTONKAYE

8:43 PM ET

May 12, 2011

The Ever Present Problem

The Taliban are relentless, the only way to annihilate them is through education which wont happen until there's a fundamental change on how we, the west, handle our foreign policy.

 

OLD BLUE

1:39 PM ET

May 18, 2011

Great interviews, poetry and feeding the meme

The quotes from ANP officers were great. It's awesome to hear how they see their challenges locally and the lack of impact that the death of bin Laden has had upon their situation. The prose sometimes wanders into the realm of dark poetry ("bruised sky?" Really?). The impressionism of the linguistic imagery makes one wonder about whether any of it can be taken seriously, or if it is also opinion. It detracts from some really good work on the interviews.

The impressionism includes an enduring meme by invoking the tired, "graveyard of empires." Afghanistan is not the graveyard of empires, a sensational depiction of Afghan history that is all too popular with the insurgents. Afghanistan is more the speed bump of history than the graveyard of empires. They've been steamrollered by any and every army that has needed to pass through on their way to greater empire. The Persians, the Macedonians, Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, the Arabs extending the reach of Islam, and Timur the Lame are by no means an exhaustive list.. All long before the British ever ventured forth to interfere with Russian dreams of a warm water Indian Ocean port. Afghanistan was the high water mark of the British Empire in Asia, but by no means was Afghanistan the death knell of Britannia, and I think most people actually know that. But none of the above sought to rule Afghanistan. It was the not the destination, it was a necessary waypoint, a recalcitrant and unfriendly rest stop on the road of conquest.

Afghanistan bears the genetic mark of nearly all of their armies. Gaze upon a Hazara and look into the eyes of Genghis Khan's warriors. Travel to Nuristan and see the red-haired, fair-skinned and blue-eyed freckled faces of decidedly un-Asian origin. This, too, factors into the Afghan psyche. Are Afghans capable warriors? Yes. Are they the killers of empires? No. They are survivors indeed. To grant Afghanistan such an undeserved moniker is entirely unhelpful and does not grant the writer great credibility. It instead makes her appear to buy into the cheap and easy meme. Anna, you are better than that. Please don't go the cheap, easy, prosy way. Drama is not reality.

Again, great job in carrying the quotes from the ANP officers you've spoken with.

 

ELLA SPINKS

3:47 PM ET

June 10, 2011

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It is absolutely critical that the safe havens in Pakistan get shut down. We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without that. It’s not just Haqqani Network anymore, or Al Qaeda or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan), the Afghan Taliban, or LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyeba), it’s all of them working together.”So Osama’s death is stavkove kancelarie NOT stopping this grand alliance of Osama’s Al Qaeda, Mullah Omar’ QST, Hafiz Saeed’s LeT and TTP to keep waging their jihad against US/NATO forces from their Pakistani hideouts.Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly SPONSORING four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon stavkove kancelarie them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.The impressionism of the linguistic imagery makes one wonder about whether any of it can be taken seriously, or if it is also opinion. It detracts from some really good work on the interviews.The impressionism includes an enduring meme by invoking the tired, "graveyard of empires." Afghanistan is not the graveyard of empires, a sensational depiction of Afghan history that is all too popular with the insurgents. Afghanistan is more the speed bump of history than the graveyard of empires. They've been steamrollered by any and every army that has needed to pass through on their way to greater empire. The Persians, the Macedonians, Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, the Arabs extending the reach of Islam, and Timur the Lame are by no means an exhaustive stavkove kancelarie list.. All long before the British ever ventured forth to interfere with Russian dreams of a warm water Indian Ocean port. Afghanistan was the high water mark of the British Empire in Asia, but by no means was Afghanistan the death knell of Britannia, and I think most people actually know that. He was kept under watch by the talibs who didn't trust him and fled to Tora Bora after launching the suicide mission under Abdul Aziz from Kunduz to Mazar. Most of those men were gunned after they tried to blow themselves up and kill their captors in a false surrender. The dead from Qali Jangi stavkove kancelarie were buried by by the buzkashi field and the 86 survivors mostly went to Gitmo.The fable about "the convoy of death" is about as real as "chechen"s fighting and the taliban liking the Ansar foreigners.