The Drawdown Debate

Jon Huntsman may have been a no-show at the first 2012 GOP debate, but his comments about the U.S. footprint in Afghanistan made the most news. FP asked three Afghanistan experts to weigh in.

JUNE 16, 2011

Christopher Preble: Huntsman's Right: Bring 'em Home

Jon Huntsman is on the right track with his call for a much smaller U.S. military presence and a more focused mission in Afghanistan. His suggestion makes sense for at least three reasons. First, the current nation-building mission is far too costly relative to realistic alternatives, particularly at a time when Americans are looking for ways to shrink the size of government. Second, nation-building in Afghanistan is unnecessary. We can advance our national security interests without crafting a functioning nation-state in the Hindu Kush. And third, the current mission is deeply unconservative, succumbing to the same errors that trip up other ambitious government-run projects that conservatives routinely reject here at home.

Huntsman is hardly alone. Most Americans, and even many conservatives, have been questioning the known costs and the anticipated benefits of the Afghan mission for months. Last week's report by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee showing that our efforts have not merely failed, but have arguably made many of the problems in Afghanistan even worse, has merely confirmed many people's worst fears. The World Bank estimates that foreign military and development aid constitutes 97 percent of Afghanistan's gross domestic product.

It is true that the Afghan mission isn't the sole source of our fiscal distress; ending the mission tomorrow would not close the budget gap. But the resources that we have already plowed into Afghanistan, and those that would be required in the medium to long term, could be better spent elsewhere.

Too many analysts and defense officials falsely believe that we need to maintain a large military presence in Afghanistan to fight terrorism. They wrongly assume that a host of worst-case scenarios are likely to transpire if we reduce our footprint there. The conventional wisdom holds that weak and failing states are a breeding ground for violent extremism; thus we must build up the capacity of weak states and rebuild those that have failed. Such notions ignore the inconvenient truth that most weak and failing states are not major sources of terrorism, and a number of healthy states have been.

In fact, effective counterterrorism does not require the U.S. military to engage in armed social work in dozens of weak and failing states. It involves timely intelligence, close cooperation with locals, and, on rare occasions, targeted military operations. These might look like the special operations raid that killed Osama bin Laden, or drone or missile strikes against suspected terrorists. Large numbers of troops stationed in foreign lands are usually irrelevant to such operations, and are often counterproductive: Driving out the foreign occupying army becomes a rallying cry for individuals and groups who would otherwise struggle to attract supporters and recruits.

Alas, although many rank and file Republicans agree with Huntsman, many GOP leaders do not. Perhaps that will change when they realize that, at least in this instance, good policy and good politics go hand in hand. We should bring most of our troops home, and focus the attention of the few thousand who remain on hunting al Qaeda. The United States does not need to transform a deeply divided, poverty-stricken, tribal-based society into a self-sufficient, cohesive, and stable electoral democracy, and we should stop pretending that we can.

Christopher Preble is the director of foreign-policy studies at the Cato Institute and the author of The Power Problem: How American Military Dominance Makes Us Less Safe, Less Prosperous, and Less Free.

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MARTY MARTEL

8:24 AM ET

June 17, 2011

With an ally like Pakistan, US Afghan war was doomed

The seeds of the ‘current Afghan tragedy’ were sowed in Washington when Bush administration decided to allow Musharraf to spirit away by airlift hundreds, if not thousands, of Taliban operatives cornered by the advancing Northern Alliance in Kunduz in November, 2001. Pakistan relocated those Taliban cadres including Mullah Mohammed Omar in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan (now relocated to Karachi by Pakistani ISI to protect them from possible US drone attacks) and Haqqani network (HQN) in North Waziristan from where Mullah Omar’s QST and Haqqani’s HQN have been planning raids in Afghanistan ever since.

Duplicitous Pakistan has poor U. S. over the barrel of a gun. US can NOT use its aid leverage to force Pakistan to stop supporting terrorist groups who kill US/NATO troops in Afghanistan day in and day out because US needs Pakistan’s help in ferrying supplies to those very US/NATO troops.

Adm Mullen had following to say about America’s primary ally in its fight against terrorism, to the foreign news media on 1/13/2011: “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it [Pakistan] is the epicenter of terrorism in the world right now. It is absolutely critical that the safe havens in Pakistan get shut down. We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without that. It’s not just Haqqani Network anymore, or Al Qaeda or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan), the Afghan Taliban, or LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyeba), it’s all of them working together.”

And previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

However US has been deliberately ignoring Taliban’s Pakistani connections in fueling and sustaining Afghan insurgency as reported by Matt Waldman in ‘The sun in the sky‘ on 6/13/2010, corroborated by WikiLeaks leaks on 7/25/2010 and then further corroborated by Chris Alexander, Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005 and Deputy Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Afghanistan from 2005 until 2009 in his article on 7/30/2010 titled ‘The huge scale of Pakistan‘s complicity‘.

American soldiers are dieing in Afghanistan because of their own government’s misguided policies. For deliberately ignoring Taliban’s Pakistani connections, US deserves to be duped by Pakistan.

At this stage in the game, as far as the US is concerned, the war on terror is over; feeble clarifications by the State Department, that the larger war on Al Qaeda shall continue, are inconsequential. Pakistan knows that by skillfully holding out till now, it is close to getting its proxy regime in place in Kabul. If it is able to sell the idea of an Islamabad-friendly Government as being of strategic utility to Washington, there’s no reason why the Americans should object to that. Pakistani and American interests, both short-term and medium-term, converge at this point; a broke America cannot afford to look at long-term interests, not at this moment.

And thereby hangs a tale — of Pakistani and American perfidy. The US has been, and shall remain, mindful of the “paranoia of Pakistan”; Islamabad’s sensitivities, its faux victimhood, will always take precedence over Afghanistan in Washington.

Obama administration is already asking Pakistan to provide access to Afghan Taliban leaders safely ensconced under Pakistani ISI's protection. A facade of peace deal will be reached with Afghan Taliban leaders chosen by Pakistan and as dictated by Pakistan. US will begin its drawdown and finally exit the theatre of a war it is desperate not to be seen as having lost, not so much to the Taliban and Al Qaeda as to the wily Generals of Rawalpindi who have proved to be smarter than the Americans.

That facade of peace will crumble within few years after the departure of US troops and Pakistan will bring Afghanistan under its suzerainty with reimposition of Taliban rule just as it did in 1996 as Uncle Sam helplessly looks the other way.

 

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KUNINO

2:57 PM ET

June 17, 2011

Not an entirely honest sentence

I quote: "It makes little sense for the United States to devote hundreds of billions of dollars to a landlocked, resource-poor country in Central Asia ad infinitum -- no matter how scary al Qaeda might still be."

Ah, me. That would be the al-Qaeda driven out of Afghanistan by November 2001, wouldn't it?

I see by the way that in his farewell news conference, SecDef Gates uttered an awful warning to the new al-Qaeda leader. At some time, possibly 13 years from now, Washington's terrible swift sword will fall on him just as it did on his predecessor.

 

RICHARDRICHARDS

5:38 AM ET

June 18, 2011

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AFGHANGOOD

10:26 AM ET

June 18, 2011

Hmmm...

He says this as a candidate, but what will he do as President, let's not forget that President Obama was all about winding down Iraq, but it seems to have been to seriously boost Afghanistan. Now, he DID get OsamaBL on his watch, but this hardly gives him the right to turn Afghanistan into more Defense Industry welfare programs.

After being in Afghanistan for a little time now, I am starting to formulate that Afghanistan is like California during the housing boom magnified by 300%. The money is free flowing and there’s not a care in the world about what is going to happen the next day…unfortunately, the “next day” is likely going to be a horrendous plummet on very sharp rocks. The Coalition has a spending profile over here that is doling money as freely as champagne on New Year’s Eve Party, and it is simply not sustainable, and unlike Iraq, Afghanistan doesn’t seem to have a viable means of maintaining this level of economic output without this aid. For this country have a reliance of 90-97% of its GDP from foreign aid is frightening, but instead of really seeking to find ways to ensure and ease these levels of dependency, it seems as if we are only interested in exacerbating this problem. The latest Senate defense markup allots another $12.8 BILLION to train/maintain the Afghan security forces, and I have to wonder if that includes the billions to build facilities for Afghan security forces, and it certainly doesn’t include the billions that USAID is likely to receive. Plus, you have all the funds spending such as CERP and from other Coalition partners (exception for the amount we are footing the bill for as well), we are talking about more and more dollars that are creating massive inflationary long term effects, but I’m no economist, so what do I know. My gut tells me that when the party is over, the professional class of Afghans will BOLT this country in massive droves. In most systems, sustainability is primary in trying to build a stable system with longevity, but in Afghanistan, it certainly doesn’t seem that we have designed and built a very sustainable and stable one to date.

 

MAOSAYTONGUE

9:00 PM ET

June 18, 2011

If Americans Are There, Afghan Gov't Won't Be Free To Act

Mitt Romney got it right: let the Afghans fight a civil war. The Afghan gov't can win a civil war there easily--but not if Americans are there to witness the necessary atrocities.

To properly prepare the Afghan Omelette, eggs MUST be broken; America lacks the will to break enough eggs.

 

KINGFELIX

7:28 PM ET

June 19, 2011

Your experts

What a narrow choice of 'experts'. Three think-tank Americans. No Afghans. This is really a part of the problem.

 

CHANGS

12:51 AM ET

July 1, 2011

"Huntsman's Right: Bring 'em Home" is the correct answer.

Christopher Preble reasoning is on target as to why we need to pull out all troops out of this region as soon as possible.

We can not afford to stay there as this war has already squandered too many of this country's resources. We have more pressing needs at home for these resources.

However I suspect he is wrong in his estimate that Conservatives do not want us to stay in these countries. At least all the conservatives I know still support the war effort and believe we should stay there until we can declare victory.

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BYLNELMS

6:07 PM ET

July 15, 2011

The Drawdown Debate

Jon Huntsman may have been a no-show at the first 2012 GOP debate, but his comments about the U.S. footprint in Afghanistan made the most news. FP asked three Afghanistan experts to weigh in. He says this as a candidate, but what will he do as President, let's not forget that President Obama was all about winding down Iraq, but it seems to have been to seriously boost Afghanistan. Now, he DID get OsamaBL on his watch, but this hardly gives him the right to turn Afghanistan into more Defense Industry welfare programs. After being in Afghanistan for a little time now, I am starting to fo asbestos cancer The seeds of the ‘current Afghan tragedy’ were sowed in Washington when Bush administration decided to allow Musharraf to spirit away by airlift hundreds, if not thousands, of Taliban operatives cornered by the advancing Northern Alliance in Kunduz in November, 2001. Pakistan relocated those Taliban cadres including Mullah Mohammed Omar in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan (now relocat.