Let's Make a Deal

The United States and the Taliban should be able to work out a compromise on Afghanistan. But will the Afghans be able to live with it?

BY JAMES TRAUB | JUNE 24, 2011

OSLO — I happened to be in Oslo for a conference (of the very worthy Center for Humanitarian Dialogue) when U.S. President Barack Obama delivered his Afghanistan speech on June 22. The next morning I sat down with Abdul Salam Zaeef, the former Afghan ambassador to Pakistan under the Taliban government. Zaeef (above left, in 2001) was imprisoned in Guantánamo, and his autobiography, My Life With the Taliban, is infused with an obviously sincere hatred for the United States. Though he is no longer a member of the Taliban, he is believed to be in touch with the leadership, and American diplomats, among others, now use Zaeef as an intermediary with his old colleagues. Taliban who talk may soon become more important figures than Taliban who fight.

I asked Zaeef, a burly man of 43 with spectacles and a wiry black beard, whether he thought Obama's announcement that the United States would withdraw 33,000 troops by summer 2012 would increase the chances for a settlement. "It's very hard for me to take this information truly," he said. Zaeef assumed Obama was lying. But what happens, I asked, if you see the troops actually leaving? "They have to change the strategy from war to politics," Zaeef said. The United States, that is, has to stop fighting and start talking.

U.S. troops will not stop fighting, of course. But Obama's speech signals the beginning of a new stage of talking. Peace, the president said, can only arrive via a "political settlement." Though this has long been the official American position, Obama gave it much more emphasis than he had before and spoke less than he usually does about progress inside Afghanistan. He did say that "because of our military effort, we have reason to believe that progress can be made."

But is that true? Have military gains made the Taliban amenable to diplomacy in a way that they were not before? Zaeef dismissed the idea with a polemical flourish. "If you kill one Taliban, five more will come," he said. That's the party line, of course. And American military persistence may have helped persuade the Taliban that it could not simply wait until the foreign troops went home. But Taliban officials have been talking about a political settlement for the last two years or so, and NATO allies have been urging the United States to take the offers seriously; it is the American position that has changed. Moreover, the vaunted -- and genuine -- military gains in the southern provinces of Helmand and Kandahar have been offset by growing Taliban control of the eastern provinces bordering Pakistan, as well as mounting violence in the north perpetrated by both Taliban-affiliated fighters and groups such as Hezb-i-Islami, an insurgent group associated with the warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.

And the military effort has shown far more signs of success than either the massive campaign to train Afghan security forces or the civilian side of the counterinsurgency effort. As the Afghanistan expert Gilles Dorronsoro writes in a recent report titled "Afghanistan: The Impossible Transition," U.S. influence over Afghan governance is now "negligible," while "there is nothing to indicate that the army will be able to act autonomously over a large part of the country's territory in two or three years." Dorronsoro argues that the American position has grown weaker rather than stronger; even if this is unduly pessimistic, it's hard to take seriously Obama's implication that the United States has waited until the balance of power has tipped its way before beginning talks.

Saeed Khan/AFP/Getty Images

 

James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and author of, most recently, The Freedom Agenda. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

VR

11:56 AM ET

June 24, 2011

Choice

Does anyone remember the embarrassment when it was revealed that senior administration officials had been negotiating with someone who they believed was a top level Taliban leader? Ostensibly he was not.

The U.S. will need to fraction the Taliban and create choice between groups who will ultimately become part of the government, and radical elements who continue the fight. The preconditions for settlement must be steep enough to ensure that the Taliban is a peaceful member of a coalition government.

But when imagining a realistic political settlement with the Taliban, how does it look? I cannot help but think of other struggling states where armed and militant political parties enter government, but threaten violence when it is not adherent to their beliefs. For example, Hizballah in Lebanon.

It seems as though the U.S. earned 70% of the way to our goals over a decade, and now we simply call that 100%.

 

PJW5552

3:16 PM ET

June 24, 2011

Taliban are Afghans!

The British were the ones negotiating with someone who said he was aligned with the top level Taliban. The US was suspicious of the person to begin with and were not involved.

There are multiple paths to the US departure. The easiest and least deadly is simply to get the Taliban to come in from the cold and join the present government. Taliban are Afghans and telling them they have no right to participate in the governing of their own country is pretty stupid. It seems based on Taliban success with shadow governments they may be able to do a far better job than Hamid Karzid. The second most obvious way of dealing with the Taliban is to just train enough Afghan soldiers and police to take responsibility for the security of Afghanistan so NATO forces can leave. If the Taliban are not interested in talking, that is how the US plans to deal with the present situation. I think 5 years of training and education ought to be adequate for us to teach enough Afghans how to keep the peace. The third less obvious way of dealing with the Taliban is the US keeps a presence in Afghanistan that facilitates efforts by the Afghan army and police to degrade the Taliban's abilities to launch attacks on civilian targets. Afghans would do most fighting, but the US would provide high tech support, air transport and backup for launching direct attacks or raids on Taliban strongholds.

Obama has made the decision we can't stay in Afghanistan forever -- at least not with lots of troops protecting the present government. We have to make clear our role will begin transitioning out and the Afghan role of transitioning in needs to begin. In Vietnam, you will recall the US never handed much of anything over to the South Vietnamese. We did most of the fighting, dying and paying the cost to keep the North Vietnamese out. When we got tired, we signed a peace treaty and we moved out leaving the South Vietnamese ill prepared to fend for themselves. Obama is attempting to avoid a repeat of that fiasco. We still have 3.5 years to complete this transition. If the Afghans can't manage it, I doubt they would manage it if we did it over 5 or 10 years at an even greater cost to the US.

 

S P DUDLEY

1:41 AM ET

June 25, 2011

The Wrong War

I hate to say it but there's no way this ends well. Afghanistan is a strategic blunder precisely because we failed to determined the extent of which the Pakistani national security establishment supported the Taliban (and by extension, Al Qaeda). There's lots of blame for this and as much as I admire W's perseverance, the reluctance of those in his administration to connect the dots between the ISI and the Taliban regime despite the intelligence we had meant that what we got in 2001 was a "show war" like Desert Storm was: a fantastic public display of U.S. military strength that in the end only set things back to the status quo and did not actually clean the swamp.

The swamp is Wazaristan, where the Taliban live in Pakistan, and years of not pursuing them across the border (except for the occasional drone strike) has allowed them to rebuild and stage for the inevitable collapse of the current government in Kabul, and the rebuilding of the hyperjihad state there.

While this is Monday Morning Quaterbacking, the move we should have made in Sept of 2001 was to connect the Pakistani and Taliban governments together, and inform both they would be treated as responsible for 9-11. It should have been made clear to Pakistan at that moment that providing sanctuary for terrorists striking US targets is tantamount to war. Would we have had that sexy moment with US forces taking down Afghanistan? No, but the strategic situation would have been properly framed. Pakistan would have faced war directly with the US and had a choice of either caving in and handing over the Bin Laden and Al Qaeda or fighting it out with US forces themselves (and quite possibly our Indian allies if we played our cards right).

A US withdrawal from Afghanistan will not in and of itself solve the crisis. If we withdraw without improving our strategic situation first we will be inevitability be forced to return, in greater numbers for greater stakes. That's not an excuse for the current strategy, but an admonition to get it right or face worse trouble down the road.

 

AARKY

2:30 PM ET

June 25, 2011

How to Get Out of Afghnaqistan

Let's keep it simple; any proposed agreement with the Taliban will have our negotiators smoking lots of Hash and thinking everything will turn out wonderful. It will end quite like the piece process in Viet Nam, with NVA/Taliban tanks rolling into Saigon/ Kabul. For all the BS put by Obama this past week, we have been there ten years and havn't got it right. Why would any intelligent person trust the Military and the State Department to make things right with their nation building/ war efforts for another ten or twenty years? It looks like too many of the posters here are trolls from the State Department. You folks sure work hard to create an illogically skewed solution that we must talk to the Taliban. It can all be solved by our withdrawal. Forget the damned facesaving!! Just declare victory and leave.

 

MARTY MARTEL

2:19 PM ET

June 24, 2011

Pakistani-American perfidy of Afghanistan

Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly SPONSORING four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.

And there is NO reason why Pakistani Army and ISI will stop supporting their proxies fighting war against US/NATO troops in Afghanistan from their safe shelters in Pakistan at this point when U. S. is ready to leave. Ambassador Patterson has clearly told us that much.

At this stage in the game after the death of Osama bin Laden and ten long years of war, as far as the US is concerned, the war on terror is over; feeble clarifications by the State Department, that the larger war on Al Qaeda shall continue, are inconsequential. Pakistan knows that by skillfully holding out till now, it is close to getting its proxy regime in place in Kabul. Pakistani and American interests, both short-term and medium-term, converge at this point; a broke and tired America can not afford to look at long-term interests, not at this moment.

And thereby hangs a tale — of Pakistani and American perfidy. The US has been, and shall always remain mindful of the “paranoia of Pakistan”; Islamabad’s sensitivities, its faux victimhood, will always take precedence over Afghanistan in Washington.

Obama administration is already asking Pakistan to provide access to Afghan Taliban leaders safely ensconced under Pakistani ISI/Army's protection. A facade of Vietnam-style peace deal as dictated by Pakistan will be reached with Afghan Taliban leaders chosen by Pakistan. US will begin its drawdown and finally exit the theater of a war it is desperate not to be seen as having lost, not so much to the Taliban and Al Qaeda as to the wily Generals of Rawalpindi who have proved to be smarter than the Americans.

That facade of peace will crumble within few years after the departure of US troops and Pakistan will bring Afghanistan under its suzerainty with reimposition of Taliban rule just as it did in 1996 while Uncle Sam will helplessly look the other way.

 

PJW5552

3:37 PM ET

June 24, 2011

Taliban rule inevitable?

Afghanistan is a tribal society and we are not going to make it into a Democratic one simply because we think that is best. Yes, the whole government may collapse in a few years, but if that is the case it would collapse regardless of what we did or how long we stayed.

There is a difference this time versus the last time the US was involved in the 1980's. Last time, the US just packed up and left the area. I doubt the US will repeat that mistake again. US can maintain a presence and be an economic force to offset Pakistani influence in Afghanistan. When the Russians left in the 1980's, so did we. After providing billions in arms to the Afghan resistance, we completely cut off all funds to Afghanistan instead of providing any help and assistance to them to rebuild. Charlie Wilson (the Texan who helped facilitate US military assistance to the Afghans fighting Russia) complained about not being able to even get $1 million to help Afghanistan after the Russians left. He complained that the lack of any support allowed the Taliban to go through Afghanistan like a locus and consolidate their control. When the only ones with weapons and support are those being supplied by Pakistan, gets who ends up in control? That doesn't have to happen again and probably won't if the US continues to provide material and logistic support for the Afghan government.

 

S P DUDLEY

1:46 AM ET

June 25, 2011

Unfortunately the political

Unfortunately the political geography of the region will really prevent us from supporting any pro-US Afghanis after we pull out our forces. After the US withdraws we won't maintain our existing bases in Pakistan, and it's unlikely Pakistan will really allow us to fly over their airspace once we're out. The only other borders we can cross are in the North, from the 'Stans, and we've both fallen out of favor with them plus Russia is much stronger in the region now then they were in 2001.

I'd say once US forces leave the place we'll see a lot of pro-US Afghanis leave with us.

 

HAULROAD

2:59 PM ET

June 24, 2011

This is of course...

the same Taliban who recently burned alive over 30 women and children locked in a burning building...for their village having cooperated with NATO forces? Those same Taliban? Just checking...

By the way,the Taliban according to their name are students of what? Hmmm...

 

REALITYHURTS

7:00 PM ET

June 24, 2011

Re: This is of course.....

There is no such thing as Taliban in Afghanistan .They are in Pakistan by the name of Tahreeki Taliban Pakistan , who are the terrorists. The Afghans who are fighting are Pukhtoons and they called them self as Mujahideens.

{ By the way,the Taliban according to their name are students of what? Hmmm } if you referring about Quran , let me tell you suicide attack is not mention in Quran but its in the bible...go and check it

 

HAULROAD

9:37 PM ET

June 24, 2011

Are we speaking of Samson?

Students of the Quran and the Hadith can plainly see where people get their letter of marque for religiously justified killing outside of the "dar al Islam". Muslims are not bad people, but the basics of Islam based on the prophets sayings and doings make very difficult negotiating partners for peace with a western infidel country.

 

REALITYHURTS

9:04 AM ET

June 25, 2011

Re : This is of course

No Muslim call the west "infidel" , we call you " People of the book " or "Ahli-Kitab" ,

But if you think that you are infidel , then what can we do ? after all People are what they think of them self , in your case "infidel " or may be that is right , because you are "statue " worshiper or "cross" worshiper ,

I have not seen any christian who can explain "Trinity" , the best explanation they give is that its a "mystery"
God became a man and yet remain God,,, its like ,,, square become a circle and yet remain square.......

 

REALITYHURTS

9:19 AM ET

June 25, 2011

Yes I meaan Simson / Are these terrorist inspire by "Bible "

Judges 16 30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.

It is said that He killed more than 3000 people that day . It is more than 9 /11

Now the best explination you have is that He was blinded and has no choice , right ,

So is the terrorist of today say , they say we are week and can't fight B52 , "desi cutters " and that we have no other option ..

Now the question is ,, Are these terrorist inspire by "Bible " or Quran ?

 

HAULROAD

8:07 PM ET

June 25, 2011

Oh, Ok. We will use your word

kuffar.

Please do not pretend like this is not the word used to describe non Muslims.

And as to your reference to "people of the book"...please pardon my reluctance to accept Islamic "protection" under the Sharia code of law. No thanks personally...and also for western culture if I may be so bold as to make that assertion. This fundamental divide in opinion, and also the idea of equal footing for all sovereign nations regardless of what they think of mohommed or Allah is one reason these negotiations are bound to disappoint.

I think I can hear whatever is left of the Bamiyan Buddahs coming crashing down again in the not too distant future.

 

HAULROAD

8:14 PM ET

June 25, 2011

And Speaking of reality...

I read in the news every day and even here at FP.com all those terrorists being inspired by the "book of Judges" you quote.

So many people claim Samson was the perfect example of how to live...I hear them say "Samson is the greatest" as they fly planes into buildings, stab Theo van Gogh to death in the Netherlands...as they murder Copts in Egypt or kill Pakistani Christians.

Yes, you are right. It would have been a better world if Samson had never been born...

 

REALITYHURTS

6:28 PM ET

June 26, 2011

Speaking Reality

No actually all the terrorist shout "Alloho Akbar" , right
When they were killing Native Americans and their buffaloes they were shouting "AllahoAkbar". When they were killing Native Australians , when they droped Atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki ,when they killing 6 million jews , when they enslave and killed Africans , when they killed galileo galilei , when they tortured and burned alive millions of women in the name of Which-craft and when they tortured POW in Abu-Gharib ,they all shouted "AllahoAkbar". And Now they are killing innocent Afghans they are still shouting AllahoAkbar

 

REALITYHURTS

6:45 PM ET

June 26, 2011

This is of course

( Mate ) Why don't You check it out instead of believing in biased media . The world Kufar is for Fire worshipers and idol worshipers. Don't you believe that they lie about Islam.
...................O K................. I will give you an example , have you heard about the famous "72 virgins " . There is no such thing as 72 virgins in the Quran.
I will give you one more example of lies they tell you, " Dark Ages" , right . they say nothing important happened in the so called dark ages . Just search Islamic advancement in science and you will know the truth . They deceived people for centuries.
.............And about Muslim Protection ... Just ask any jew about Muslim spian , Morroco , tunisia ...Tell you very interested thing..........Last President of Isreal was an Iranian Jew, More than 100 thousand Jews live in Iran , why don't they killed them.

 

HAULROAD

9:58 PM ET

June 26, 2011

I have enjoyed this spirited debate...but...

The USA did not persecute Galileo. Nor did the US burn "millions of women" as witches.

And I did google Islamic advancement in science...which seemed to stop sometime around the 15th century C.E. Seriously...I could find little contribution to modern medicine or science.

My apologies to FP for getting a bit off track on this blog post.

In conclusion: negotiating with the Taliban is going to be a painful part of the end to US involvement in America's longest war.

 

AFGHANGOOD

4:18 AM ET

June 25, 2011

Goverment of the Islamic Republic of Kabul?

What realistic options do we have in Afghanistan, other than to work thru some level of agreement with the Taliban? This minute the mission of this war shifted from a war to degrade and reduce the capability of Al Qaeda to exert their will on a global level, to mission building, we are doom to failure, or a negotiated settlement and peace deal with the Taliban. If anybody has been to Afghanistan and spent any amount of time outside of Kabul, you would know that Afghanistan is a VERY tribal/clannish land, and the Taliban movement has a strong population base to recruit and refuel for the continued fight. Western countries can’t even eliminate gang influence in their countries, but somehow, they believed that they would achieve success in doing so in an ancient culture like Afghanistan, with a long history of resisting outside influence. ISAF and ANSF have 420,000 troops arrayed against 20,000-40,000 insurgents, and we are in a stalemate…we kill 3000-4000 of them every year, but their numbers don’t change…how is this possible? Perhaps thru a stable government in Kabul…lol…please stop making me laugh…GIROA is a pathetic joke of a government. I foresee either a capitulation of this government when we leave, or a ruthless strong-arm dictatorship to keep Kabul safe. The upcoming budget allocates $12.8 billion to support ANSF…unless Afghanistan discovers a ton of oil, there is no way in hell that they will be able to afford even 1/10th of that amount. So, maybe an army of 30,000-40,000 men at most…yeah…The Islamic Republic of Kabul will likely be the solution, unless we are able to pull a Al’ sadr like move and get the Taliban to stop shooting, and be willing to have their way in the south, minus blatant associations with Al Qaeda.

 

ALEXANDER JAMES

12:27 PM ET

June 26, 2011

Plugging the Budget Hole, Time for a Afghan Deal

@AfghanGood -- The options are limited as support for the war on the home front drains just like what happened in Vietnam as it dragged on syphoning so many billions from Americans.

The lives lost, money cost, and lack of return like fap turbo are all very real.

Working with the power groups is really the only way to get anything constructive done.

The Russians at the height of their power couldn't beat down Afghanistan because of their "die for the tribal lands at any cost" mentality. Even without US help the Afghans never would have surrendered.

It's the way they are. You have to admire the determination of spirit and accept it's the way of their culture. Now's the time to talk solutions for an exit strategy.

 

AFGHANGOOD

2:50 AM ET

June 27, 2011

A sustainable plan...

We should have actually had smart people plan out what realistic endstate vision for Afghanistan would be acceptable for us and drive toward that, instead of this nonsense we have now...Either go colonial or let the "best of breed" shake out and allow us to have our few military locations for the next 30 years. Would have cost alot less and save more of our lives for sure.

 

SJQP2100

12:58 PM ET

June 27, 2011

The budget

With all the hysteria about the debt ceiling and domestic budget cuts, the gigantic "elephant in the room" is all the money still going to Afghanistan and Iraq. Just shifting a little bit of the outlays to the military operations in those two countries would go a long way towards solving whatever fiscal problems this country may have. The problem is that the general public is so aurally numb to all the big numbers being thrown around, so many billion dollars here, so many trillion there, it's as if Donald Trump put all his loosediamonds on an auction block and then redeclared bankruptcy! But it's going to take mass action from the general public to somehow get the money out of war and more into the domestic needs.

 

KUNINO

2:43 PM ET

June 27, 2011

Earning sincere hatred from an Afghan

No reason to question Traub's remark that Zaeef feels sincere hatred for America, and little reason to believe Zaeef's wrong to do so. One can find in the web a TV interview with the man a few hours after 9/11, promising to investigate any al-Qaeda participation in the event, saying his government had been restraining aQ for some time from international communications, and assuring the US of his nation's sympathy following those crimes.

Soon thereafter, Pakistan, in receipt of massive US bribes, voided Zaeef's diplomatic immunity -- he was the Afghan ambassador to Islamabad -- arrested him and handed him over to the American government. He was then flown to the US prison at Bagram, a place where other Afghans were being beaten to death by military guards, and after a harsh regime there, was shipped onward to Guantanamo and another harsh regime -- Mr Cheney's dark side. He was released in 2005, apparently because there had never been any legitimate reason to arrest or hold him. The United Nations has removed his name from its terrorist list. US administration of such matters tends never to offer any suggestion that its former prisoners were innocent. The official formula is that they are of no further interest. And please, folks, don't call them prisoners.

The Zaeef affair stinks more richly in light of the recent Washington campaign to claim that a CIA agent who shot dead two Pakistanis in their homeland was entitled to full diplomatic immunity, nonsense Hillary Clinton kept claiming for some weeks. Immunity for a real, legitimate diplomat in Pakistan, the Bush administration didn't give a damn about. Its sole gain from breaching this international law with respect to Zaeef seems to have been zero. Its net loss, immeasurable.

It's worth pointing out that however low Zaeef's opinion of the US might be, he's still evidently able to sit down and discuss intelligently with Traub of Foreign Policy matters of mutual interest to America, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
So he's not blinded by hate.

Traub's post-interview additions seem questionable. When Zaeef says that every time you kill an Afghan, five more Afghans arrive to take his place, he is delivering more than the Taliban party line -- which is what Traub adds. This has been the CIA party line for half a decade now: American attacks on Muslim nations helps American's foes' recruitment. (True in Libya? Yemen? We'll find out one day.)

Traub also cites, apparently with approval, the most dubious part of president Obama's recent speech, making a diplomatic accommodation with the Taliban dependent on a "break from al Qaeda, abandon[ing] violence, and abid[ing] by the Afghan Constitution." The Talib government broke with al-Qaeda in some degree even before 9/11; the major dispensers of violence in Afghanistan since 2011 have been the US and allies; and the constitution the president refers to is regarded in Afghanistan and other places as one imposed by foreigners at the point of a whole lotta foreign guns, and thus of dubious legitimacy. A pity Traub didn't take that up with Zaeef. Can somebody else at Foreign Policy? The man lives in Kabul, I gather.

 

KYMILLIA

10:35 PM ET

June 27, 2011

Elite democracy?

What I got from the article and other reader comments here made me think that Afghanistan's chance for democracy could be much like my country's --- having a form of Elite democracy where those in power/ privilege class will still hold power. Same old structure yet under a different government name. It's like dating older women where you still have to follow her every whim. I have come to think if a strong central government is really what the country needs just as what one of the readers has commented. Do all peaceful countries succeed only through this type of government?

 

OZPOLICY

8:32 AM ET

July 11, 2011

Issue is not Afghanistan

Even if US was able to work out some deal with Taliban, it won't be a permanent solution. Pakistan needs to come to the table and most importantly Saudi Arabia needs to come to the table. On one hand, US wants a peaceful resolution in Afghanistan/Pakistan and on the other hand, they are not willing to accept Saudi influence on the region. If Saudi stopped funding extremism in those countries, US will not have an issue to begin with.

 

DAIVA66

2:16 AM ET

July 1, 2011

He was released in 2005,

He was released in 2005, apparently because there had never been any legitimate reason to arrest or hold him. The United Nations has removed his name from its terrorist list. US administration of such matters tends never to offer any suggestion that its former prisoners were innocent. The official formula is that they are of no further interest. And please, folks, don't call them prisoners.
Seo

 

ROSELIA264

7:08 AM ET

July 23, 2011

Let's Make a Deal

The United States and the Taliban should be able to work out a compromise on Afghanistan. But will the Afghans be able to live with it? We should have actually had smart people plan out what realistic endstate vision for Afghanistan would be acceptable for us and drive toward that, instead of this nonsense we have now...Either go colonial or let the "best of breed" shake out and allow us to have our few military locations for the next 30 years. Would have cost alot less and save more of our lives for sure. click to read more Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly SPONSORING four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show. Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. g

 

PERSON_GUYZZ1

8:52 AM ET

July 23, 2011

It seems based on Taliban

It seems based on Taliban success with shadow governments they may be able to do a far better job than Hamid Karzid. The second most obvious way of dealing with the Taliban is to just train enough Afghan soldiers and police to take responsibility for the security of Afghanistan so NATO forces can leave waystoearnmoneyonline. If the Taliban are not interested in talking, that is how the US plans to deal with the present situation.