It's All Greek to Them

What Europeans just don't get about Greece. Hint: Despite appearances, they're not all lazy anarchists.

BY JOANNA KAKISSIS | JUNE 30, 2011

ATHENS – Nicolle Barber and Mark Leach, two young tourists from England, arrived in Athens in mid-June, when Syntagma Square was a happy, hippy tent city of anti-austerity activists singing and playing drums. The couple flew to the Greek capital despite pleas from friends and family that the city was just too dangerous. After all, wasn't it all blanketed by riot police, Molotov-cocktail-wielding anarchists, and pissed-off mobs who screamed "thieves, thieves!" and beat up politicians?

When I met Barber, 20, and Leach, 23, they were sunburned from a day at a nearby beach and enjoying an impromptu evening concert at the square by a skinny, bearded young man playing the Cretan lyre. "I tell everyone back home that this city is not a war zone, that the Greeks are cool and chilled out," Barber said. "But they believe the pictures and the TV reports that say the whole city is on fire. It's a story that's become a stereotype."

I wondered what they would have thought of Syntagma this week, after the parliamentary vote on June 29 supporting new austerity measures sparked clashes between anarcho-leftist militants and riot police that devolved into indiscriminate violence. Although that violence was limited to the area around Syntagma, and just a few blocks away people were hanging out at cafes and restaurants, it was also fueled by stereotypes.

First, the police are known to left-wing Greeks as "pigs" and "murderers" because of the force's oppressive role in the 1967-1974 military junta. Many young activists who rose up against this totalitarian regime were then students at the National Technical University of Athens, then known as the Polytechnio, and they weren't unlike the bright young idealists of today's Tahrir Square. Today, the aging Polytechnio activists either are embedded in Greece's hopelessly dysfunctional political system or are professional protesters who call Prime Minister George Papandreou's democratically elected government a "junta." But hatred of the police is deeply ingrained in those Greeks whose families still hold grudges from the brutal 1945-1949 civil war here between the communists and conservatives. This enmity also sparked violence in December 2008, when young Greeks rioted for weeks after a police officer shot and killed a 15-year-old boy in Exarcheia, a neighborhood in central Athens near the Polytechnio.

Many Greek police officers are badly trained and barely out of their teens. At demonstrations, the angriest protesters call them fags, retards, and monsters, and wish them the very worst. "I hope you and your whore wife and all of your bastard children die!" a man in a Che Guevara T-shirt screamed Wednesday at a police officer with a peach-fuzz mustache. "And I hope your mother dies too!" The officer got angry, and a fellow officer had to hold him back.

When I've talked to police about their views of the protesters, especially the hard-core ones, they too reach for a stereotype -- champagne leftists from rich families who spend their days throwing petrol bombs at working-class police officers (while protesting on behalf of the working class) and their nights drinking fancy wine at fancy suburban restaurants. "They riot, we arrest them, and then their rich parents bail them out of jail," one officer told me after a recent protest.

It's true that some self-styled anarchists, including the ones who sent the mail bombs to foreign embassies and world leaders last November, do come from upper-middle-class families. But the police's reliance on this stereotype is dangerous, especially lately.

After the anarcho-leftists began their usual rock-and-gas-bomb throwing routine on Wednesday, the police seemed to lose all sense of who was a militant and who was one of thousands of regular Greeks who just wanted to vent by marching, chanting slogans, and throwing the odd container of yogurt at the politicians they don't trust. They tear-gassed everyone repeatedly, including a 72-year-old grandmother I was interviewing, a first-time protester who tried to shield her face from the burning gas with a flower-embroidered handkerchief. By evening, as fires burned in garbage bins and broken pieces of marble from storefronts littered the streets, motorcycle cops chased a journalist friend of mine who fled on foot. "They saw every single person trying to get to Syntagma as an enemy," said my friend, a father of two who looks like Paul McCartney in his "Yellow Submarine" days, not a black-clad, club-wielding militant.

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 SUBJECTS: JUSTICE, CULTURE, EUROPE
 

Joanna Kakissis is an Athens-based journalist who contributes frequently to Time and NPR.

WILLIAMX

11:11 PM ET

June 30, 2011

become a stereotype

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SSFICIAL57

4:39 PM ET

July 1, 2011

I realise this may be pointless

"First, the police are known to left-wing Greeks as "pigs" and "murderers" because of the force's oppressive role in the 1967-1974 military junta."

Like the best propaganda, this remark is true, but it hides the actual reasons why the greek cops (mostly MAT, the riot police) are called "pigs" and "murderers". It's because they have a long history of brutality towards demonstrators (and don't give me the crap about people deserving it- if you look at the people they beat up and kill, it's not black bloc members, it's teachers (As in 1991, when a teacher, Nikos Temponeras was murdered) and peaceful protesters (take your pick of images and videos from the 29th demo- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S20_JuaX8gg&feature=feedf o ) Likewise, the fact that they killed a 15 year old in 1986, and another in 2008 (at least with the second one they found the cop guilty (although the fact that he pled criminally insane doesn't exactly reflect well on them).

As a recent example, on the may 11th general strike demonstration this year a demonstrator was beaten so badly that he had to be put in a medically induced coma. On the 15th june general strike, loukanikos (the famous riot dog) was hit by a cop (with the metal end of the stick, which could have easily havebeen fatal to a dog). The police also have very shady links with fascist organisations, and there are deaths and reports of brutality in police custody. Yeah, you can always come back with the "they're not all bad line" (and i'm sure some greek cops are fine), but the fact that the greek police (more than most other (western) police forces) is unwilling to crack down and always closes ranks doesn't exactly inspire confidence. The fact that higher-ups are now becoming involved doesn't exactly make the greek police seem any better either- http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2011/07/01/649-june-29-video-shows-head-of-riot-police-unit-ordering-his-men-to-throw-stones-and-marbles-at-protestors/ (you can disagree with the fact it's an anarchist site, but it does show evidence- and it means "no shield" instead of "no helmet"))

(and on the insulting officers line (as though that justifies a cop smashing someone over the face with a baton)- the police aren't any better. During the december 2008 riots, they chanted offensive chants, they insult and swear at protesters, some wore golden dawn (fascist organisation) stickers on their helmets, and, above all, they gas and beat peaceful protesters)

"self-styled anarchists" Yeah! In the same way that this is a "self-styled magazine" and you're a "self styled writer", and i'm using a "self-styled computer", and using my "self-styled fingers". It's also pretty stupid because you later go on to attack (or doubt, which is the best I suppose I can expect from a TIME writer) the police line of "they're all middle class posers".

"anarcho-leftists". Oh. It's a bit ironic that write an article that "exposes" greek stereotypes, and then (hahaha) use one yourself. Again, it just makes you seem like a stupid, biased and rightwing writer (Oh wait! You write for TIME!).

"They tear-gassed everyone repeatedly, including a 72-year-old grandmother" and "motorcycle cops chased a journalist friend of mine who fled on foot" - you're annoyed that people call them pigs?

"professional protesters who call Prime Minister George Papandreou's democratically elected government a "junta."" I don't think I'll even touch upon the "professional protesters" point- actually, with youth unemployment at 40% and total unemployment at 16%, surely they need every "professional" they can get? And on the whole "junta" point. Well. I would have thought that any government that was elected in a country where voting is mandatory, and yet over 40% of people spoilt their ballots was really, really, democratic. Especially as it didn't allow a referendum on the bailout (which, you know, is a matter of..... National importance). And papandreou's statement "the last thing we need now is a general election" is clearly coming from someone who values democracy highly......

"This clash of the stereotypes is hurting Greece. Right now, it needs billions of dollars in bailout loans from the European Union and International Monetary Fund or it will default on its massive sovereign debt. Writing off the Europeans as bloodsucking capitalists -- even if they have made huge mistakes in handling this crisis -- is not productive. " I really wish that every journalist reporting on greece would talk to an intelligent economist before they dabble in economics and repeat the government line. Moody's predicts that greece, even if it does everything it's asked to, will only just leave the C rating category. Greece will default, and bailouts are only hurting it further (of course, the bailout's are (surprise, surprise) helping greek banks, and reassuring german and french bankers. Default is never going to be easy, but argentina's experience in 2001 does at least provide a route to follow- and it's better than (as she points out) years (possibly decades) of recession.

The irritating thing about this article is that the points it makes about the stupid stereotypes about greece and the fact that they aren't lazy are good points. However, it's hamstruck by the smug liberal line (which I always find hilarious, since it just exposes how ill informed they are). Most TIME writers, regurgitating US propaganda can at least claim ignorance. However, given that the writer seems to be greek (i assume by the surname), she can't claim this. However, I'm sure all you "clever" "self-styled" FP readers can feel really smug about yourselves, because you know what's "really going on in greece" (yeah, i am being sarcastic about attacking someone for stereotyping people, and then stereotyping other people myself)

 

POLITICALAGENDA

3:19 PM ET

July 13, 2011

Greek debt problem not solvable bail outs just buy time

The view in the UK banking sector is that the Greek debt problem is not solvable. Debt as a % of GNP is too high at 140% of GNP and the country is still running a budget defecit. Asset sales are problematic value wise as a devaluation seems likely if it leaves euro plus there is political risk too. Any partial restucturing is also fatally hindered by default by one = default for all bond clauses. Open ended gifting by rich Euroland countries seems to be coming to an end too. The demonstrations - I just do not get it - why should everyone else pay for your spending? When will it go down - expert fireworks at Christmas but of the wrong kind. Maybe earlier.

 

BSPOLICY

6:35 PM ET

July 24, 2011

Not violent anarchists but unable to cut their deficit

Well okay but they sure as hell are not treating their need to cut their budget deficit in the same way as other European countries are and have. Germany and France's generosity has given them a bit more time to take drastic policy action. Will they? Why bother if the rich European nations will always bail them out. Euphoria over recent
events ( the German -France led sticking plaster bail out) will prove to be shot lived unless Greece use the breathing space to actually cut their spending. Do not hold your breathe.

 

TOM DARWIN

3:46 AM ET

July 28, 2011

Corruption is another form of anarchy

Keep in mind the Greeks ripped off the EU deliberately as they pimped their national finances. And now, the whole of Europe shall bleed for the Greek audacity and incompetence. Ok. We swallow that bitter pill. ( I'm european ) But why we must now also listen to the clamor?

Why could the Greeks not admit now that they had screwed up and show their appreciation for the European support? And than quietly start to work until they are 65 or 67 and make money Geld verdienen to work off debt. And they should get rid of their corrupt officers and doctors. Corruption is ultimately another form of anarchy in my opinon.

Greece needs an effective government. They must fight Corruption. They should now begin to seriously increase their gross national product, than demonstrate against everything.

 

DWANA OTA

2:40 PM ET

July 29, 2011

It's All Greek to Them

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