Don't Be Spooked by Pakistan

A CIA veteran's prescription for how the United States can get along with an ally it doesn't trust.

BY MILT BEARDEN | JULY 11, 2011

More than two months after the raid by U.S. Navy SEALS on the Abbottabad compound of Osama bin Laden, the relationship between the United States and Pakistan is at its lowest point in the almost six decades of a rocky, on-again-off-again alliance. The United States has suspended some $800 million in military aid, and the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, is traveling to Pakistan this week for what is certain to be a chilly meeting with his counterpart, Pakistani Army Chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

Maybe these developments are not altogether bad, for amid this turmoil the leaders of both countries, if not their vocal populations, are beginning to understand that a new, interests-based regional partnership must be forged before some political point of no return is crossed. Pakistan and the United States need a new paradigm for cooperation, one that will not only guide the bilateral relationship through the endgame in Afghanistan, but also influence Pakistani and U.S. policies in an Indian Ocean region on the verge of a new Great Game for mineral resources and economic domination.

The main players in that game are India and China; the prizes are Afghan and Pakistani resources and overland trade routes to the Arabian Sea. The United States' role is important, even critical, but it is as yet undefined by American political leaders. Ultimately, the United States may have to shift part of its security and political focus from its Atlantic relationships to the Indian Ocean region.

The mineral resources of Afghanistan and Pakistan -- copper, gold, rare-earth elements, iron, the list goes on -- will play a major role in driving the hungry Chinese and Indian economies through the 21st century. Afghan minerals alone, valued by the U.S. Geological Survey conservatively at about $1 trillion, could follow a natural route south from Afghanistan through Pakistan's Baluchistan province, itself mineral rich, to the newly completed port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea. From there, the minerals would find markets in China, India, and the West, producing along the way a greatly expanded Pakistani mining industry and transportation infrastructure, as well as tens upon tens of thousands of jobs for dangerously idle young Baluchi men.

But none of this will likely happen until Pakistan takes a bold leap into the 21st century, shedding its 1947 mindset of believing that it is just a hair trigger away from war with India and that it must at any cost be buttressed against Indian encroachment on its western flank in Afghanistan. To become a player in this new Great Game, Pakistan will first need to rework its relationship with the United States and, following that, with Afghanistan and India.

SHAH MARAI/AFP/Getty Images

 

Milt Bearden is an author and former career CIA officer who during the 1980s managed the CIA's covert assistance to the Afghan resistance to the Soviet occupation from neighboring Pakistan. He currently consults on resource issues in South Asia.

AKHTAR1

8:29 PM ET

July 11, 2011

IT IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE

IT IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THE CAUSE OF BALUCHISTAN FREEDOM MOVEMENT. A FREE BALUCHISTAN WILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO AFGHANISTAN FROM THE ARABIAN SEA.

A FREE BALUCHISTAN WILL HELP KEEPING PAKISTANI POSTURES TOWARDS SUPPORTING TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN CHECK. AT THE SAME TIME US WILL SAVE BILLIONS OF TAX PAYER DOLLARS THAT GO TOWARDS FEEDING THE PAKISTANI ARMY.

 

HAMID

9:29 PM ET

July 11, 2011

Not the 1980's Pakistan

We are all prisoners of our individual and collective history. Mr Milt Bearden seems to be no different. He is basing his comments and experiences based on Pakistan he knew during the 80's and not what it has become. Pakistan, created by a group of elites who hated the thought of Hindu majority/ domination never quite articulated a positive vision of what Pakistan should be about as opposed to what the country was against. During the 80s, Zia possibly with extensive CIA and Saudi support, filled this intellectual gap with Islamist extremism while holding non-Muslim majority countries responsible for all of Pakistan's ills. All one has to do is visit the elite military schools for young Pakistani officers where an extreme form of Islam is pervasive and paranoia is widespread to see what has been happening to Pakistan. I fear the outcome and if the Chinese had not so myopically helped Pakistan develop its nuclear weapons program, it would have been far easier for the US & rest of the world to help defuse the critical, explosive situation. But what doesn't help is wishful, outdated advice even if it is well meaning.

 

MARTY MARTEL

4:27 AM ET

July 12, 2011

U. S. is way past getting 'spooked' by Pakistan

U. S. is way past getting ‘spooked’ by Pakistan.

Duplicitous Pakistan has U. S. under the barrel of a gun - US can NOT use its aid leverage to force Pakistan to stop supporting terrorist groups who kill US/NATO troops in Afghanistan day in and day out because US needs Pakistan’s help in ferrying supplies to those very US/NATO troops.

Following are verbatim quotes from what Gen (rtd) Jack Keane said at a discussion on Afghanistan organized by the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think-tank on June 30, 2011:

1. "The truth is, the ISI aids and abets the sanctuaries in Pakistan that the Afghan (Taliban) operate out of. They provide training for them, they provide resources for them and they provide intelligence for them. From those sanctuaries, every single day Afghan fighters come into Afghanistan and kill and maim us".

2. "There's a direct relationship of ISI's complicity and the deaths of American soldiers and the catastrophic wounding of those soldiers. The chief of staff of the Pakistani military is complicit. He used to be the director of ISI. He put the guy in there who is in charge now and he has full knowledge of what I'm just describing".

3. "This partnership has got to be based on that harsh reality. There are two ammonium nitrate factories in Pakistan. 80 per cent of the explosive devices that are used to kill our soldiers, kill Afghan security forces and kill Afghan people come from Pakistan."

4. "All of what I just said to you, when we confront them with this, they lie to us. They lie to us just like the Soviet Union used to lie to us“.

With Pakistani Army headed by General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, who once headed ISI, repeatedly lying to the United States, America‘s Afghan mission was doomed from the very beginning.

Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.

U. S. has deliberately deluded itself about Afghan Taliban’s Pakistani connections in fueling and sustaining Afghan insurgency as reported by Matt Waldman in ‘The sun in the sky‘ on 6/13/2010, corroborated by WikiLeaks leaks on 7/25/2010 and then further corroborated by Chris Alexander, Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005 and Deputy Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Afghanistan from 2005 until 2009 in his article on 7/30/2010 titled ‘The huge scale of Pakistan‘s complicity‘.

American soldiers are dying in Afghanistan because of their own government’s misguided policies. For deliberately ignoring Taliban’s Pakistani connections, US deserves to be duped by Pakistan.

 

VODKA

4:27 PM ET

July 12, 2011

DRUGS

Marty i would say NO to DRUGS.....................

 

DUNCAN_LOWEE

7:52 AM ET

July 12, 2011

Who Scoops who game.....

Well since the beginning America has positioned itself as a hollywood super hero trying to save the world and blamed its failures on other players in the game. This article like the many others that are posted on this forum have been one sided exactly trying to portray a poor country as the element of failure that was dragged into the so called war on terror without having anything to do with it !

The author has skipped out a lot of crucial facts that has made Pakistan a nation that is known today.

1. America that calls upon Pakistan to do more should realize after 11 years in Afghanistan they haven’t secured anything beyond Kabul. Shouldn’t the Americans do more? The Haqqani network controls 2 provinces in Afghanistan leave the Taliban control over Afghanistan aside. I believe that the US army wants Pakistan responsible for Haqqani network because they operate also from North Waziristan based in Pakistan. Well for a fact the Pakistanis say that haqqani network has never attacked Pakistani army and in Waziristan they are in a pact with the local. Pakistan is in its own war with a different brand of extremist Taliban called the TTP other other branded extremist which are bomb the streets of Peshawar Lahore and Karachi.
Also to bring to attention which was skipped by Foreign Policy authors that the last time Pakistani army went in to attack Taliban in South Waziristan Agency the American Army patrolling the border in Afghanistan abandoned their post fearing an inflow of militant fighters from the Pakistani side making the entire operation a failure. NOW WHO SPOOKS ???
Not to mention that Americans pay the Taliban in Afghistan for a secure route for the aid and equipment. So Isnt the US in direct contact with the forces that kills Americans in Uniform. I THOUGHT UNITED STATES DOES NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS !!!
As America should wake up and be very very sensible because its long test allies are pulling out from Afghanistan leaving the US behind. Canada has withdrawn; France has called for its withdrawal. What will America look upon ?
Ask Pakistan to do more...... and play the selfish card " we have given $ 20 billion aid " it cost America $ 20 billion dollars just for the pentagon for RnD to defuse IED!

2. The Afghans that are accusing Pakistan for the unrest in the country could be aware that there are 2 million afghans in refugee camps still to date left as a burden in Pakistan which are actively spreading drugs, weapons and smuggling in that country. Mr Karzai the president of these Afghans begs for extension of these refugee camps and call upon UNHCR to grant more period.

3. The Indians those poises to be the sweet darling of Asia giving out aid to other poor countries like Afghanistan is an embarrassment to the people of India while it has ignored the 1 billion poor Indians. India receives millions of dollars worth of aid from western countries and then buys a humble image by given aid to weaker countries. India is not out in Afghanistan doing charity and developing infrastructure but has a covert operation where it has constructed 26 consulates in the east bordering Pakistan. The unrest in Pakistans Baluchistan is a direct signal of India hypocritical agenda. My advice to india is please focus on your internal unrest calls for dividing india!

Every story has a different side !

 

RUSO

7:58 AM ET

July 12, 2011

Aid to Pakistan

I wrote a couple of thoughts about the US cutting off aid to Pakistan, and I would appreciate your own thoughts or even criticism on it, here or in its original source (http://www.whitehousevoice.com/Kazmarek/Proposals/US-Halts-Pakistan-Military-Aid-1381)

It finally happened. According to The Diplomat "the United States has now chosen to withhold $800 million of some $2 billion in military assistance to Pakistan"

Why now and not before? Well, the source says official reason is that "the Pakistani regime has been less than forthcoming in issuing visas to US counterinsurgency trainers for Pakistan" but we all know the real reasons, and even if this official version is true, its only the last straw in a series of offences to the US. "some policymakers in Washington have finally tired of Pakistan's many prevarications and have decided to display some gumption" says the newspaper.

Now there will be voices warning us of the dangers of this action, saying that we are letting China and other powers fill the void we are leaving behind. So be it.

It was about time we regained control of our actions, it was about time we decided to take risks and assume the consequences. We will not be blackmailed by dubious "allies". We will reward our true allies instead.

Is this decision dangerous? Probably. But war on terror is dangerous, being constantly on the back foot is also dangerous, losing the respect of the rest of the powers is dangerous as well...... After all, paying our enemies millions and millions of dollars not to attack us will be safer than not doing it, but we decide to man up and defend our values. It was a hard lesson for the Romans to realize paying your enemies was far more dangerous on the long term, and when they did realize, it was too late.

So i simply say: stay with this decision, play the hard cards, face the criticism, face the dangers and develop a new strategy to fight those dangers. Ultimately this will prove to be the right decision.

What do you think?

 

NICOLAS19

9:04 AM ET

July 13, 2011

so many misconceptions

Let me throw my two cents:

- It is understandable that Pakistan withholds visas for US contractors. Think about Davies: the man is a mass murderer, yet if they try him, all the American - and world - media wrecks havoc on them. They have enough foreign gunmen in their country, why should they allow more in?

- Pakistani offences to the US??? Where? On Pakistani soil? How on earth could Pakistan offend a country on the other end of the globe? Did they murder your ambassador while no one was watching? Oh, you mean they are not entirely supporting your war in their neighborhood. They are not entirely supporting you conducting military operation on their soil. I can understand those. If you call that an offence, you should study the concept of sovereignty.

- I agree that US should stop bribing Pakistan into cooperation. It would be a win-win for both parties. US would be forced to stop their pointless little war, China would gain access to ports and Pakistan would get its money.

- About time you regained control of your actions. You talk like the fact that the US fails at prolonged campaigns of attrition (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq) would be 1. anything new, 2. Pakistan's fault. With your aid package, you bought transit rights, nothing more. How much Canadian money would buy US allowance of Canadian military marching for Mexico? Much more than 2bn, I bet. You needed Pakistan, you had to pay for it, it was your control of your actions. Nobody compelled to invade Afghanistan.

- Losing the respect of other powers has already happened in the 90s. The fact that ever since the end of the Cold war you attacked small country after small country, later got derailed and defined by a terrorist attack really did the trick. Ever since 9/11, American foreign policy is written by a bunch of dead thugs (the ones who flew those planes). You have wasted your image because of one criminal incident. You are like bulldog with locked jaws: powerful, yes, but pathetically obtuse. Many fear you because you still have the best military (as long as you can pay for it), but nobody respects you.

- "Paying for our enemies not to attack us" - what? Pakistan being paid not to attack the US... you just made my day with that joke:))) The Romans didn't fall because the failed to pay tribute to the tribes. They have fallen because 1. they couldn't realize their own borders (like the US), 2. and consequently, overextended, they had no other option but the military one (like the US will have if they continue like this).

Same can be said to you as the author of the article: see the big picture. Try to think about any point of view other than that of the US military. It is easy to blame your own failures on Pakistan, but then what? After you've found a dubious excuse for yourself ("no control over own actions") what do you have? A wrecked economy, defeated military (Afghanistan) and an empire laughed all over the world (how you failed to learn from decades of warfare, most notably Vietnam). Neither of these is anybody's fault but yours. I'd love to see you coming to terms with geopolitical realities.

 

CAVREADER

5:26 PM ET

July 13, 2011

Mass murderer?

Get a dictionary if you can even read and check out the definition. 2 thugs attack a westerner(which of course never happens in the paradise known as Pakistan or any where else in the Middle East) and instead of being abducted as a hostage he kills them. These same people had just robbed a Pakistani citizen moments earlier and were armed. 2 + 1 (the unfortunate who can be classified as collateral damage) do not qualify as a "mass". The Pakistanis practice murder and mayhem on a daily basis amongst themselves and suddenly they are outraged? Maybe the next Pakistani thinking of going after a westerner will reflect on this and make other plans.

 

NICOLAS19

4:30 AM ET

July 14, 2011

nope

Resisting assault with double murder is not proportionate - therefore it is not self-defense. End of story.

You guys in the US also practice murder among yourselves, in your wars and by capital punishment. So, nobody gets a free pass.

 

SHAAMYL77

10:54 AM ET

July 15, 2011

@CAVREADER

What a DotHead you are!

From where did you get these scholarly facts about Davis case?

Get the facts straight in your thinkingArse before posting bullshit onFP!!

 

KONDE

12:07 PM ET

July 12, 2011

stop

enough.... Stop war please!!!!

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http://lounge-info.blogspot.com/2011/07/about-gonorrrhea.html

 

SHAAMYL77

2:01 PM ET

July 12, 2011

Dot Heads with Western Names

See the comments by DUNCAN_LOWEE and get yourselves educated, get out of your narrow-mindedness...

Dot Heads with western names, see what the topic is and what the bullshit comments you post.

Have some iota of shame while propagating against Pakistan with fictitious facts and figures, anything negative you could dig out about Pakistan, you post here, posing them as authenticated.

And remember all negative available about india, if posted on these pages, will overload the not only the server of FP, but possibly whole internet traffic may become blocked (or must I say clogged, due to your dirty thoughts)

Milt Bearden has written a fairly well researched article, which needs to be appreciated.

 

AHSON HASAN

8:33 PM ET

July 12, 2011

More like, don't be fooled by Pakistan...

Good matter of fact analysis but a bit optimistically tilted toward Pakistan. Pakistan may be only country in the world that is explosively, overwhelmingly 'stuffed' with damning religious zealots and fanatics who should never ever be trusted!

US needs to continue with the pressure. Stopping the aid is a positive first step in the right direction.

Pakistan is infested with generals who are sold out, use the state machinery to support the crazy mullahs. The world is at a greater increased risk of a catastrophic meltdown if Pakistan continues on the path of sanity. Somebody needs to blow out the devil out of this can of worms called Pakistan!

 

POLITICALAGENDA

12:32 PM ET

July 13, 2011

With friends like Pakistan who needs enemies?

Lets just go back to basics. Pakistan sheltered for many years America's No 1 enemy and has provided an effective safe haven & support network for the Taliban & Al Queda. They really are not and never will be America's ally.

Okay for now it remains important to stay on some sort of terms with them but being nice does not seem to work. So lets try cutting off aid - much of which goes to the political elite's back pocket anyway. That probably hurts them where it counts.

World political opinion? To any fair minded person America has acted with quite incredible patience over Pakistan.

Rare metals and all that? I think the author overplays that. Unless only available from this area shouild not be a key driver of policy.

It has been a great six months for US policy overseas. Hope I can say the same thing come Christmas. Well done Obama.

 

PAUL KOCH

2:37 PM ET

July 13, 2011

Still Spooked!

"None of this will likely happen until Pakistan takes a bold leap into the 21st century." But first they may have to try leaving behind the 19th century. Outside of the military, Pakistan is little changed from 1947 and still embracing it world view from the 1800's. With China, the U.S., and India eyeing the resource wealth in the Pakistan/Afgan region, and who knows who else will be coming out of the woodwork to get a share,enriching the wrong hands in Pakistan seems like a risky endeavor. Maybe it's best if that stick with 1947 attitudes for a little longer.

 

JAYDEE001

3:47 PM ET

July 13, 2011

It's no surprise that Pakistan is an unreliable ally

If we needed any further proof, note the following: Pakistani doctor Shakil Afridibe was arrested for helping the CIA to find Bin Laden, by setting up fake vaccine drives for the locals in Abbottobad to try to obtain DNA proof that Bin Laden's family was present, before the US operation to assassinate him. Evidently the ISI has been so upset that its client, Bin Laden, was killed and that it may have been caught red-handed in the act of sheltering him, and it has sought to punish anyone who might have assisted the US in finding him.

Rather than being contrite for their own obvious failure (or likely duplicity) regarding the apprehension of bin Laden the ISI has sought vengence against anyone who cooperated in bin Laden's elimination.

Aside from the extremely bizarre nature of the CIA using a doctor to plug a free vaccination program in a comparatively well-to-do part of the town, and th fact that it apparently failed to produce any proof of bin Laden's presence, the reaction of the Pakistani government and its ISI shows that it is not an ally to be trusted.

 

KALEO

11:12 PM ET

July 15, 2011

All true but ....

The most important fact has been left out:

That the primary source of terrorism in this world is Pakistan. Numerous attacks in India; the 9/11 attacks; the failed Time Square bombing; the London underground, Madrid; Afghanistan; and more--in every case the terrorists received training in Pakistan, under the direction of elements (rogue or otherwise) of the ISI and the Pakistani army.

Also, Pakistan continues to provide safe haven for some of the world's most wanted terrorists.

So, stop playing footsie with Pakistan and get real, USA!

 

LORD NELSON

1:45 AM ET

July 16, 2011

FREE SPEECH

Picking up on all the comments, one can only say yes Bullshit is free. The article has magnificently encapsulated the truth. keep vested interests out! Our ass has been kicked once again, in Afghanistan this time. We need the Pakis to put some salve. There will be no window dressing or plausible excuse for the withdrawal unless we understand pakistan's importance.

 

ELLERVEIRA

9:58 AM ET

July 16, 2011

get out of Afghanistan

If the US had the rudimentary good sense to get out of Afghanistan it would not have to "get along" with Pakistan. It could go back to paying next to no attention to it as it did before it decided to try to re-colonize Afghanistan. How many US problems come from the fact that it cannot stay away from trouble and invents it if need be? Once it punished the Taliban regime by overthrowing it, it ought to have left and gone home.

 

ANTIE

1:57 AM ET

July 18, 2011

Why Not?

Pakistan's proximity to Afghanistan geographically and its close ties with Taliban are the reasons why US chose to forge an alliance with it. America's strategy was to give the aid Pakistan needs and at the same time Police it making sure it doesn't draw any devious designs along with the Taliban.

A few Billion dollars in aid is a case of administering systemic enzymes into an immunity-challenged patient. If Pakistan's economy is healthy it wouldn't nurture or give asylum to terrorists or radicals who are hell bent on pursuing a flawed ideology and are a threat to both the west and Pakistan itself.

Better sense would prevail if US would stick to its original policy of "aid and policing." It has worked so far with mixed results, but if we can hold on to it a bit more longer, it would prove to be the way to go.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

1:50 AM ET

August 5, 2011

Pakistan never misses a chance to act as a Lunatic

The perennial India bashing by jingoist Pakistanis continues to obfuscate the real issues.

So called Dot Heads are not feared and hated across the world, but teeming army of terrorism apologist, religious Nut Heads are.

Dot Heads are not seized of delusive dreams of converting and ruling the diverse world by sheer violence of intimidating numbers and fanaticism.

Pakistan of Today is due to inherently suicidal goals and actions pursued by galaxy of Military-Civilian Rulers.

No one has been wise enough to recognize the dangers- had guts and ability to leave the destructive path.

The quoted problems of 80s have umbilical links to events and actors of 60s and will remain the main cause of today's complex blood soaked-fanaticism-terrorist infested turmoils.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was such an example of an important civilian leader opting for violent actions at the time of relative peace, prosperity, calm and 1947 Kashmir conflict with India was an eighteen year old distant event.

At lot can happen in two decades, infants turn teenagers to knock at door of maturity and begin to take control of their life and future.

But overambition and flamboyant ZA Bhutto had other ideas.

Gleefully watching the defeat of India in 1962 Chinese war and emboldened by demise of Nehru in 1964, Bhutto got busy.

He confabulated with his foreign secretory Aziz Ahmed and decided the course of concepts and actions still responsible for deepened conflicts, mayhem, bloodshed, religious obscurantism and spread of terrorism.

General Ayub Khan was pushed by his foreign minister ZA Bhutto to complete the unfinished Kashmir agenda of 1947.

Military and Civilian elites laughed, joked and ridiculed the leadership abilities of diminutive Lal Bahudar Shatri, the new prime minister of India.

Bhutto made vicious fun of Shashtri as a dhoti-kurta clad, Gandhi capped, sandals supporting weak , vegetarian Brahman. The deeply entrenched and popular narrative of India and Indians, is still popular amongst, otherwise educated and seemingly well informed Pakistanis, world wide, along with exceptions.

With in no time Bhutto influenced the GHQ and foreign office to mount “Operation Gibraltar”. He and his cohorts made every one believed that the remaining Kashmir could be grabbed, as the leaderless, weak Indians, with wide contacts and influence of Nehru gone, would be a flock of sitting ducks and wont dare mount a full scale war. General Musa Khan initially opposed the plan but eventually went along, though unconvinced and aware of the possible outcomes of such foolish adventurism.

Later Bhutto skillfully exploited the eventual defeat of Pakistan in 1965 war with India, which was only initiated and forcefully promoted by him, to crave out a larger political role for himself, by harping on the further hard line and confrontational approach towards India.

So here was an important civilian leader Bhutto, who arrived at right and peaceful time, influenced the people and army by his growing stature at the world stage, had the coveted education in England, along with right trappings of feudal pedigree-necessary for a leader in Pakistan, but could only managed to kick the country backwards.

Mouthing platitudes about socialism and democracy along with adherence to the tenets of Islam, ignoring the grave conceptual dichotomies, Bhutto went on the exploit the inherent weaknesses and dormant Kashmir megalomania of the young nation for purely personal ambitions and greed for power.

How democratic he really was become clear from his acts during Election and refused to accept the results and accommodate Mujibur Rahman.

He appointed that Illiterate Jihadi General Zia Ul Haq and another monster was foisted on Pakistan who went ahead with knee jerk USA/Saudi Plan in Afghanistan.

Had Bhutto not behaved as he did, perhaps we would have been living in different world.

But this civilian leader had same violence prone tribal mindset of a war monger and trigger happy Rouge General.

 

CHANGS

3:05 PM ET

August 8, 2011

Divided Nation

Pakistan will remain a danger to that area of the world as long as it remains a divided nation. It must resolve the problems with it's Islamic population before it can ever take a major role in world affairs.

Given how it's intelligence agency and military retain so much power I doubt this will ever happen. It is just a recipe for trouble when agencies such as this retain the power to counter the decisions of the elected government.

This country has so much potential if it can ever pull all it's elements of society together so that they work as a whole while still remaining a democracy.

ChangS