City of Men

The numbers are in, and they show a staggering absence of women in Washington's foreign-policy community.

BY MICAH ZENKO | JULY 14, 2011

Over the past dozen years, I've worked at three think tanks, at four universities, and in two government positions, during which time I've asked many female colleagues and friends with different levels of seniority in the U.S. foreign-policy community for their views. From these discussions, I gathered three reasons that could explain this gender gap.

First, my female colleagues suggested that women are less interested in researching and writing about "hard power," defined as the use of military power or economic coercion to alter the behavior of state or nonstate actors. While competing approaches -- such as "soft power" or "smart power" -- receive media attention, within academia, think tanks, and certainly national politics, hard-power approaches retain a predominant role. This limits women's potential jobs in the foreign-policy apparatus.

Second, due to a preponderance of men in senior positions at think tanks, they engage in an unconscious cronyism in hiring other men as research fellows or selecting them as participants at workshops. The disproportionate gender balance is compounded by women who describe being at times uncomfortable in almost exclusively male settings or where they perceive they are the "token female" hired or invited.

Third, a successful think-tank fellow requires constant travel to attend workshops, give presentations, and conduct research -- sacrifices that women, who often bear the greater burden for raising a family, may be less able to make "Think-tank work is much like any other demanding job: It's not 9 to 5. There are breakfast and dinner meetings, speaking engagements on weekends, and extensive travel abroad for research for books and articles," my Council on Foreign Relations colleague and the senior fellow and director for Asia studies, Elizabeth Economy, told me. "Trying not only to keep the trains running on time at home but also to make it to the top of your field is a real challenge." 

None of these hurdles for why women are underrepresented are determinative -- and certainly all three can be overcome. Indeed, the women I've spoken with were not deterred from pursuing careers in foreign policy or national security; almost all found female role models to emulate or learn from, as well as mentors among more senior women (and men). Indeed, as show by the troika of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, and National Security Council senior official Samantha Power in Barack Obama's administration, the presence of women in some foreign-policy leadership roles has become the norm.

"My granddaughter asked a while ago what the big deal was that Grandma Maddie was secretary of state," former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright recalled recently. "Her entire lifetime it's been women."

These success stories aside, however, women still remain proportionally underrepresented in the realms of foreign-policy research, academic scholarship, and practice. This imbalance, which deprives the foreign-policy community of much-needed expertise, is detrimental to the U.S. role in world affairs. At the next conference or luncheon, Washington's think-tank mavens should look around the room and realize who's not present -- and take immediate steps to remedy this problem.

JIM WATSON/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS: NATIONAL SECURITY
 

Micah Zenko is a fellow in the Center for Preventive Action at the Council on Foreign Relations. He writes the blog Politics, Power, and Preventive Action.

RUNNINGBARE

3:38 AM ET

July 15, 2011

CITY OF MEN - SO WHAT!

It really angers me to see stories like this. Seriously do writers have nothing better to write about? Opinion poles nothing better to talk about? Is it that important we analyse the statistics of men versus women in a certain type of profession?

We live in a day and age where women have the same rights, education and working opportunities. If women wanted to work in the military, represent our nation in politics or any other position of power, don’t you think they would?

I think everyone forgets when looking at statistics; people, male or female have the freedom to choose their path and career choice. The strong willed and determined women who make up the statistic in this story are people to proud of rather then making the focus on which sex is represented in these professions. Washington’s foreign-policy community maybe full of men; both the men and women have worked extremely hard to be in these positions.

Who really cares which sex they are as long as they meet the necessary selection criteria, work hard and represent the nation the way it deserves to be.

If the world wants to stop prejudice stop writing stories like these.

Think of the big picture; if a woman wanted these roles they would have them, if men are dominating these areas, they’re obviously damn good at their jobs!

 

GORASH

7:03 AM ET

July 15, 2011

Easy for you to say

Easy for you to say, and this is coming from a guy.

Basically you're saying, SO WHAT if there is something that does not affect ME!

 

BROADNAX

7:44 AM ET

July 15, 2011

So what

It affects you only if you are not doing the right things. There is no indication of discrimination contained in the numbers. They are the result of individual choices and preferences. Remember that diversity and equality are incompatible. If people are different and make different choices, we will have different outcomes

 

A.T. GATES

4:43 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Choices are Made in a Context

Choices are made in a context, dear Runningbare. If you had to undergo a procedure to become a eunuch in order to become a Senior Foreign Service Officer, there'd be far fewer men than women in that position. Widen your gaze--look at the context in which women are making these choices. That is where the discrimination exists.

 

RUNNINGBARE

7:07 PM ET

July 15, 2011

To Gorash - easy to say

Easy to say, yes. I am a thick skinned woman! I work and train in a male dominated environment. Yes, I take a lot of knocks, so do the men. It's called equal opportunity.

I do not play the woman or victim card.

I work hard to achieve my goal.

 

SCIPIO146

7:55 PM ET

July 15, 2011

THINKTANKS and WOMEN

Civilization is the creation of the male mind. You politically correct guys look at history and hopefully you will get what I am talking about. Philosophy, physics, mathematics, symphonic music, orchestra conducting, etc. were and still are the domain of males. Why? Because very very few women are capable of complex multi-faceted thinking. A think tank needs people who can relate / connect facts and situations which are diametrically different, hence it requires a complex thought process...something, again, most women do not possess.

 

MARTIMR1

12:24 PM ET

July 19, 2011

Women incapable of complex thought??

Get real. I'm a woman, holder of seven patents with more on the way, in three fields, and a research fellow at a major corporation. The idea that anyone can still believe this kind of bunkum would be laughable if it weren't such a horror.

I've seldom encountered this kind of prejudice in real life, EXCEPT when it comes to negotiating. There, men don't seem to trust women. I think it's because we tend to tell the truth.

 

BROADNAX

7:41 AM ET

July 15, 2011

Gender

Numbers do not indicate bias. We have a majority of college students now are women. Are men "disadvantaged"?

Maybe women are less interested in some things and men less interested in others. Find actual cases of bias and address them, but don't give a silly statistic about numbers.

People come as individuals, not members of groups. We should take them as people, not groups.

 

RAPID2

7:54 AM ET

July 15, 2011

The odds are worse for

The odds are worse for photographers...only one woman out of a total of eleven photographers in your picture...

 

CASSANDRINA

3:16 PM ET

July 17, 2011

Women at play

Yes there is only one woman among a pack of 11 photographers, but notice she has a prime position. How did she get it? Being early or allowed to have it? Your guess.

 

KATERINA PEKOVA

2:16 PM ET

July 21, 2011

Wow, you count them

If you're suggesting that the guys did that woman a favor and let her in, you might be wrong. Maybe she did got early or maybe she had to "fight" for the position, just like any other photographer would. You don't know the exact facts...

As for the subject of this article, maybe, just maybe, foreign policy and politics are not among the top searches for women as they are with men! Ever thought of that?

 

FPWATCHER

7:59 AM ET

July 15, 2011

Headline should be "Why do Women hate politics"?

The email notice for FP had the headline "Why do Think Tanks Hate Women?", not the innocuous headline used on this website.
After reading the article, my first inclination is to say "Why Does FP hate men?" by writing such an article and using inflammatory headlines.
My second thought is that my entire 45+ years of work experience result in the opinion that many women ignore politics so why blame men for that. Women ignore math, science, politics, technical professions, manual professions, but then why blame men for an apparent difference in gender preferences?
When I worked in corporations, men would contribute new knowledge to online knowledgebases, but women only used the info, and most did not contribute knowledge. Women did not read publications to learn new technical knowledge anywhere like the level that men did. Business magazines in the past would get accused of leaving women out of articles, but then the magazine would disclose that 90%+ of their readers were men...I don't see FP asking why women don't read about technical OR political subjects anywhere near the level that men do?

If you want women represented in political and technical fields, you first have to get them interested in those fields, and my experience is they don't even want to talk about business news or issues at business meetings. But, the ones that do ARE sought out and retained by organizations. The problem is that there are not many of them.

Finally, unlike the US, most foreign countries are dominated by men, and in foreign policy, my belief is that US soft skilled women are no match.
For instance, when I was in Iraq for 23 months as a US adviser in the Embassy, there were plenty of young women in USAID, NGO and State Dept groups, but Iraqi government is run by much older men who had no rapport with them. USAID and State focused on soft programs to benefit women which is nice, but it really caused a high degree of resentment in the Iraqi men that we were spending funds to re-educate their wives, etc and still could not get the electricity running.
I am all in favor of the women who DO enter the fields of politics, math, etc and focus on those technical issues, but stop blaming men or organizations when many women have no interest in fields that ARE of interest to men.

 

DCFED

9:14 AM ET

July 15, 2011

It's a Vicious Cycle

To the male commenters who say that it all comes down to personal choices and that women are just not interested, what you are describing is exactly the vicious cycle that keeps women out of these jobs: how can young women become more interested in foreign policy, politics, and power when all they see is a landscape where women are routinely shut out? And for reasons that they know are bogus.

Consider this: suppose the article had decried a lack of men in the nursing profession (5.4%) and the author had explained this by saying that an absence of male role models hinders men's entry to the field and that the dominance of senior women results in unconscious bias against males, keeping them low in numbers and preventing them from advancing.

Would you still retreat into your naive and biased response that it's all about individual choice? That men could rise to leadership roles in nursing, including obtaining 50% of the professoriate if they just wanted to more? Would you conclude that men don't become nurses just because they aren't interested in things like dealing with blood or assuring the accurate dispensing of medications?

No. Because your argument is basically the "girls like shoes and clothes" argument which is total BS. Plenty of women are quite interested in hard power and tough politicking. Any organization, including the Federal government that presumes women are only interested in or fit for "soft' power roles is completely off the mark. As I'm sure plenty of female soldiers, American and otherwise, would be happy to explain to you more graphically.

 

BROADNAX

12:56 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Not "shut out"

Woman are not "shut out" of these professions. In fact, they are welcomed when they can be pursuaded to participate fully. Again, choices are different.

Woman used to be "shut out" of law school. Now they make up more than half the students. On the other hand, female participation in MBA programs peaked in the 1980s. Both were male bastians; both lead to high salaries. Why the difference? Could it be choice?

This is an old story and the facts have changed. When my mother was a girl, women suffered discrimination. Today my daugher has had opportunities equal to or better than my sons. When she studied higher math, she was welcomed and celbrated. My sons are just tolerated.

It is unlikely that you will ever have any distribution in professions that exactly matches a population. People make different choices. Womens choices are not the same. We often hear the celbration that women are more atuned to emotions or more oriented toward group concensus. This may or may not be good things, but consider the opposite. Would someone more atuned to emotions always produce the same results as someone more atuned to reason? Would someone seeking consensus alway produce the same results as someone interested in "the" right answer?

My daughter is good at math. She always got very annoyed with herself when she got the answer wrong. Her friends sometimes told her to be less "rigid." Her friends have not succeeded in math.

 

IRAQNAED

9:39 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Oh really?

Dear FPWATCHER,

It is a very well-known fact in Iraq that Embassy employees have incredibly low contact with the Iraq "street" traveling with an enormous amount of security that prevents them from experiencing even the smell of the streets. In addition, polling in Iraq is non-existent due to security issues. Therefore, I wonder what level of experience or information you speak from.

I comment as someone who:
1- attended the previously all-male Stuyvesant HS, a nationally known bastion of science and math as a female the 2nd year they allowed "us" (females) admittance (while every newspaper in NYC regularly printed articles about how the fabulous academic standing of the school would tumble because of "our" presence, which was better suited for secretarial school);
2- had a mother of who in the 50's was the president of the local chapter of the republican Club in Queens, NY (who also started the first women's investor's club in the community);
3- worked as a construction contractor for a decade;
4- and recently (2009) completed my MS at NYU's Center for Global Affairs after my work in Iraq (I've been working there on and off since Feb 2003) brought me to the conclusion that there was a lot I had to learn about the how and why of the international development community before I could appropriately opine about it or try to change it for the better. The women in my NYU program were just as involved and passionate about the subject matter as the men.

I am astounded and chagrined at your comments:

"many women ignore politics so why blame men for that. Women ignore math, science, politics, technical professions, manual professions, but then why blame men for an apparent difference in gender preferences?"

and:

"plenty of young women in USAID, NGO and State Dept groups, but Iraqi government is run by much older men who had no rapport with them. USAID and State focused on soft programs to benefit women which is nice, but it really caused a high degree of resentment in the Iraqi men that we were spending funds to re-educate their wives, etc and still could not get the electricity running."

(This is not to say I agree with the rest of what you wrote, but these were the two comments I found most egregious.)

To counter your first comment: women are not so much (both today and historically-speaking) ignoring these professions but being ostracized from them. And not only by men, but also by a few among the small number of women who have gained access. For example: In HS there were a few female teachers who simply felt girls did not belong there, until 1969, the school only allowed males to apply and attend (similarly to the Ivy League schools). There can be no disputing the fact that there is a long history of women being steered away, if not shunned, from "math, science, politics, technical professions, [and] manual professions." When given equal opportunity and fair access, women thrive and excel in all of these.

As far as your second comment: having worked for 2 USAID-funded programs/projects in Iraq, as well as an Iraqi environmental NGO, an international development NGO with a presence in Iraq, and having worked as a freelance journalist in Iraq since Feb 2003, I simply don't agree. In fact, having spent time over the last 8 years (walking the streets and traveling in personal cars and/or taxis) talking with Iraqi men - ranging from high govt leaders to ordinary men on the street, I have never heard one express resentment at their wives being re-educated.

It can be said that all Iraqis are pissed off that their electricity is not up and running properly, and on any given day express their anger and frustration at not having such services while blaming the easiest accessible target. (In Sociology 101 I was taught this is called "scapegoating.") Given the high value Iraqis (men and women) place on obtaining an education, I am not sure what men you spoke with who expressed specific resentment at their wives being re-educated.

As far as the "young women in USAID, NGO and State Dept groups" not having a rapport with the much older men running Iraq, well, that can be said of young women and much older men everywhere. In my experience, (some not all) much older men instantly discount young women in a variety of ways if not totally. Just as (some not all) young women roll their eyes at the dinosaur tactics of much older men understanding that these old guys are looking more at their legs et al, than at their minds or the work they produce. This is true in Iraq, the US, Europe...I would venture to say all over the world.

However, I would add, there are not only young women working for USAID, NGO and State Dept groups (I am sorry this age group is all you came into contact with). From my experience, there is a large contingent (as large as any female contingent can be when the male-to-female ratio is so wildly disparate as it is in Iraq working for the specific groups that you mention) of older, mature, brilliant, and well-seasoned (in terms of working in the international development community) women who act as COTRs, COPs, DCOPs, advisors, consultants, etc. These women are treated with the utmost of respect by Iraqi and expat men alike. This respect comes from the fact that these women are experts in their fields, and just like their male counterparts in the international development community, are passionate about their work - why else would they put their lives on the line? (Oh yes, there is also that "other" contingent, male and female, that is there simply for the war zone mention on their CVs and the money.)

Truly, I found your comments not only misleading, but also disturbing given the year we are in.

 

MNEMOS

2:25 PM ET

July 19, 2011

"under-represented"

My only addition to this thread is that we need to keep an eye on what we mean by under-represented - highlighted by some points from the post and comments.

In the post the implication is that women are under-represented in leadership of the military _because_ their representation in the leadership is only equivalent to their representation in the service. What is the logic that says that if 20% of the population in the military is female, 50% of the military leadership should be female? Why, if 20% of the population in the military is female, is 20% of the leadership being female under-represented?

In a couple of comments in the thread some commentors are pointing out that there are women every bit as interested, and engaged, and talented as men in foriegn policy and hard power issues. Great. From this statement they conclude that there are AS MANY women as men interested in foriegn policy and hard power issues. How does that follow? This is a fundamental mistake and I haven't seen a good solution to it. Some studies have indicated the assumption is simply false - tracking sets of young women talented in math and science and finding out how few found it interesting enough to make a career out of it compared to similar young men. The studies weren't big enough to seem much more than anecdotal, though.

On the whole, I think the article reads in a similar unconvincing way. There are limited statistics about leadership positions without consistent statistics about non-leadership positions except in the case for the military which doesn't really support the conclusion.

 

KA5S

9:35 AM ET

July 15, 2011

Women Underrrepresented? Take WHAT action?

Politics is nasty business, and Washington think tanks are all about politics. It takes an aggressive nature to succeed in politics, and women are not noted for being aggressive. Overcoming that takes more than calls for immediate action. What are we to do? Put Depo-Provera in male politicians' water? (Looking at ‘em now, not such a bad idea.)

These results are due to both culture and nature. The lack of females in high positions is not an indictment of politics, but it should lead us to ask if we might not well listen more often to women instead of alpha-male bombasts and talking heads. Both sexes,alas, can suffer from Tenth Floor syndrome (no one on lower floors is worth listening to) and "I'm RIght You're All Wrong."

And money is male. Who funds the think tanks?

 

LAWRENCE MACDONALD

10:02 AM ET

July 15, 2011

Gender Balance Key to Success at Center for Global Development

The inflamatory subject line in the FP email aside, Micah Zenko is right to point out that the gender balance in Washington's foreign policy think tanks is pretty abysmal. The leaders of these tanks should wake up and recognize that this undermines their effectivness and puts them at a competitive disadvantage.

I am lucky to work at a premier Washington's think tank that is a happy exception to this rule, the Center for Global Development (CGD). Of our 55 full-time staff, 27 (49%) are women and 28 (51%) are men. Of the 20 senior policy/program/research staff, 8 (40%) are women and 12 (60%) are men. Our president Nancy Birdsall is one of the few women to lead a major Washington think tank.

Gender balance makes a difference: having a woman leader and a substantial number of senior female colleagues is one of the keys to CGD's success.

 

BING520

1:07 PM ET

July 16, 2011

gender balance

How do you prove that a gender-balanced think tank is more effective and competitive than a male- or female-dominated organization? The assertion that CGD's success is attributable to its substantial number of senior female colleagues helps affirm the notion that sexism indeed plays a role in the success of a think tank.

Suppose someone points out some male-dominated think tank is even a bigger success than CGD. Should we conclude that a high percentage of male representation is more competitive and effective? No, I certainly don't think so.

Improving a merit system is what we need to do.

Arguing for more female representation for the sake of fairness is a step toward a quota system which truly undermines competitiveness and effectiveness.

 

ARCHER44

10:02 AM ET

July 15, 2011

Refuse to think like a victim

The article implies women are doing all they can but in the end are powerless victims. If you are a woman and you buy that, you have just given up what power you have to solve the problem.

We can start with being more conscious of and honest about problems women cause other women at work. As one of many examples, see Rudman's article on how women in power penalize other women while men who are focused on getting the job done tend more to value a competent, contributing co-worker regardless of gender.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9523410

 

LORIBROWN85@GMAIL.COM

10:05 AM ET

July 15, 2011

Anyone who reads this and

Anyone who reads this and thinks it's total BS is obviously part of the problem. To say that women aren't interested in politics is a lie and an easy excuse for someone to make who is too lazy to do anything to remedy the situation themselves. As a young woman who is interested in foreign policy and politics, it's hard not to feel like you're struggling in an uphill battle against antiquated mindsets like some of the statements made here. It's difficult to build a report with the older men who are in power and frustrating to see your male colleagues be given more and more responsibilities so easily.

And the consequences of women being left out of foreign policy think-tanks are terrible! When you have only men in power making all the decisions, women's issues will always be one of the first things on the chopping block in negotiations. It's vital to get women involved in the process, and offering explanations that "they just aren't interested" is bogus.

 

STFREECHOICE

2:22 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Compared to UK?

In the UK only 21 % of MPS are women and only 18% of top academics are women too so your numbers are not as bad as ours. Our army figures are a lot worse but we have different rules re combat. I know they are not directly comparable of course but they are certainly indicative. Our figures show a distinct if slow upward trend however. Our debate is couched in the same terms as yours. Post events like Margret Thatcher's premiership no one thinks it has anything to do with ability

 

CASSANDRINA

3:22 PM ET

July 17, 2011

Women in politics in the UK

When we hear the arguments brought forward by UK female politicians, we realise how fortunate we are not to have too many in Westminster.
Even compared to the usual venal and incompetent herd and tribal male attitudes in Westminster they are generally of a lower level. Always individual exceptions of course.

 

DALE COOPER

2:46 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Follow-up piece?

I noticed Andrew Exum addressed this article on his blog at CNAS, and I wanted to suggest you find other responses from staff at the thinktanks you mentioned and list them on Foreign Policy. It'd be a great follow-up to your article to keep the conversation going.

 

JEFF HAZELWOOD

3:33 PM ET

July 15, 2011

another call for preferential tratment

Women work 44% of total hours in America, yet they only represent 7% of workplace fatalities. This under-representation is never subject to protest and clamor for immediate corrective action.

Why? Because it is a natural result of women selectively choosing to pursue professions that are easier and safer.

Fine. But, I take issue when women are preferentially treated in the hiring process for dangerous work, like the military, and then are protected from the dangers of that work. Witness the 2.5% female contribution to combat deaths in Operation Iraqi Freedom and 1.6% contribution to deaths in Operation Enduring Freedom.

More opportunity. Same pay. Less risk. Less injury and death. This equals preferential treatment and yet those same folks who profess a desire for true equality are silent.

This article is a call for intervention to enable women to preferentially enjoy the prestige and high pay associated with cream of the crop jobs at the highest levels of employment in foreign policy.

This is another call for gender-biased, preferential hiring that is unconnected to any desire for true gender equality.

Modern feminism is once again showing its true colors: equality of outcome and preferential treatment when goodies are involved, unequal protection and freedom from civic responsibilities when unpleasantness and danger are involved.

Naked hypocrisy and misandry....as usual.

When I see articles protesting the lack of men in the classroom and the lack of women dying in the trenches, I'll believe that feminist writers have a shred of integrity and credibility.

 

A.T. GATES

4:51 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Shall We Examine the Maternal Mortality Rate, Jeff?

Did you know that since our nation's founding more American women have died incident to pregnancy and childbirth than all the male American soldiers who have died in combat? Perhaps we should add that outcome to the mix, shall we, especially as women have produced all the males in this country?

 

BEINGTHERE

7:35 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Point taken, Jeff, but you sound angry or just pissed. Why?

What you're referencing is the vicious cycle. There are many women who would pursue the dangerous aspects of, say, the military if they were given the mentoring or just an indication that they could be players. This is what they want in life. Field commanders might say they could not assign women to the front lines in battle because of ... lack of strength? Smaller stature? Men don't want them there? They're too emotional? Women who go for it, in many male-dominated fields, often hear discouraging words.

Using the military example, there is a class action law suit against Bob Gates and Don Rumsfeld, now both safely retired, brought by U.S. female soldiers who were raped by fellow service men in Iraq and Afghanistan war zones. There are hundreds of sexual incidents against women in the military that are not reported. The Gates/Rummy suits were brought by women (and two men) who said the rapes were reported to commanders who took no action against the rapists. Female soldiers actually feared going to the bathroom in the middle of the night because they knew there was the risk of an assault by a male soldier. So are all these women lying? Were the "liaisons" actually consensual? Were the women asking for it because they had a pretty face or large breasts, though concealed under a uniform shirt?

See the other side, Jeff. There is one.

 

JEFF HAZELWOOD

8:37 PM ET

July 15, 2011

don't get me wrong Beingthere

I served for a short time in the Army. And I had the privilege and honor of serving with women who were fearless warriors in the defense of our Constitution. My comments were not intended to defame their service in any way.

I personally know champions of American democracy - who are female decorated veterans, thoughtful leaders in difficult circumstances, and who are, to their very core, willing to pay the ultimate price to preserve our Constitution.

But. Overall, expectations are not the same. Women are shielded from risk - it shows in the casualty numbers. Women are afforded preferential hiring and promotion status. This isn't an invention of an angry or pissed man. It is a simple and plain fact of life today.

So be it. That is America today. I'm not happy about it. It may even be fair to call it "being pissed" or "being angry". I accept that. It's a fair assessment. But, I also think that it is a reasonable frame of reference.

You mention rape. Rape is an ugly violent crime. But, if you consult the FBI, rape is a crime that can only happen to women. According to the FBI, rape requires that the victim be female.

One way to look at that definition is that it is interesting. Another way to look at it is that is nakedly misandrist, like so much of the rest of what passes for Institutional protection of the individual. The FBI says that around 30 thousand rapes (including attempts) happen each year. The FBI doesn't track male rape. Estimates suggest that the annual number for men is three times higher. Three times. Go to jail for marijuana or falling behind on child support because you lost your job and you face the prospect of male on male rape.

And that is just what happens to adult men.

At present, days-old boys are subjected to forcible genital cutting every 30 seconds or so. Roughly, a million baby boys each year are strapped down and are subjected to genital cutting.

If they were girls, it would be a felony assault. Child abuse. And the outcry would be deafening. But they are boys. And since it happens every 30 seconds in America, baby boys literally never stop screaming. But, there is no outcry.

I think that there is, at present, a war on men. It shows in what is debated. This article is a prime example. "Are women appropriately represented at the highest levels of foreign policy positions?" What does that mean?

Can anyone show that women are excluded from the best jobs? Good luck. But the numbers plainly show that they are protected from the hazards of the worst jobs.

I am not advocating that women die and are maimed in equal numbers as men in the trenches or in the factory. But. But, I simply have a problem with feminists advocating that women "must" be equally represented in the high paying, high status, high influence jobs in the Board Rooms, the Government and the military, while remaining silent about female under-representation in the jobs that send you to an early grave through accident, toxicity or violence.

That is misandry.

 

CASSANDRINA

3:29 PM ET

July 17, 2011

Female v Male - birth deaths v war casualties

Perhaps women produced the males (and females) with a little bit of help?
You could make the same argument on female birth deaths to war casualties in Afghanistan, but make it relevent to the last 10 years, and not go back into the birth of the nation.
Some arguments are not worth stating.

 

BING520

4:18 PM ET

July 15, 2011

city of men

Even since the invention or statistics and the discovery of statistics as weapon, I have been reminded ceaselessly of the fact and the reality that discrimination pervades every section of our society. Our government is discriminating either against either women, or minority, or men all the time. Our academes are either dominated by men or women or minority or majority all the time. The inteligentsia of the US who invented the statistical tool to guage the equality can't do well on equality all the time. Whenever I look at the farm workers, I am disgusted. They are almost all Mexicans. Where are Japanese Americans? Where are whites? Why are there so few white Americans owning Chinese restaurants? Who is going to tell me that Japanese American can't pick up strawberries better than Mexicans and that a white American can't stir-fry as good as any Chinese American? I will not tolerate all these blatant discrimination until city of men becomes city of half men and half women, or 1/4 while men, 1/4 white women, 1/4 black men and 1/4 black women.... No, it should be 1/16 white men, 1/16 white women, 1/16 Asian men, 1/16 Asian women, 1/16 Latino male, 1/16....
CORRECTION: 1/32 white men, 1/32 white women, 1/32 Middle Eastern male, and 1/32......... No, let me think again...... Can I get back to you guys later?... Ooops, I mean gals.

 

MANABOZHO

4:40 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Bad research, bad logic now join bad math

Let the victim speak for herself.

Sears Roebuck, to their credit, *won* a landmark case years ago that was based on a purely statistical argument as here. The case was not brought by any female employee of Sears claiming she'd been discriminated against, but by the EEOC! Jobs selling "white goods" such as refrigerators, washer-dryers, etc pay more commission, yet women were far fewer in those jobs than men. Sears researched its workers and found that women were self-selecting out. They didn't like the hard-closing interactive tactics associated with high sales volume; they didn't like long hours, or having to call customers up at night; they preferred to feel helpful, showing customers where to find their items, rather than pushy; etc. (An anthro professor once told me, "Stereotypes persist because they're not *entirely* false.")

Look, I'd rather have more women in those jobs too. That same anthro professor characterized academia as "full of alpha females and beta-minus males," which doesn't sound too far off the think-tankers, come to "think" of it. When lots of smart, educated women with credentials decide they want to besiege the think tanks to acquire the swell employment opportunities there, there's no way the think tanks can avoid hiring them. Until then, let the women do what they prefer.

 

BEINGTHERE

7:20 PM ET

July 15, 2011

Hate is a strong word ...

... and it probably isn't 100 percent fair or accurate in the context of your article. Having worked for many years with children, including girls and young women, I observed that the women in their inner circles (mothers, teachers, female siblings) were often their role models. The very women who could have helped them develop self-reliance often imbued them with their fashion sense and make-up skills. They often encouraged bust development over brain development. (And these Kim Kardashians of the world do seem to be the ones drawing fame, wealth and admiration - of both men and women, especially younger women and girls.) Girls must be socialized differently almost from birth to compete with men, with the understanding there are biological factors that must be considered.

The great actress and champion thinker Katherine Hepburn said that to be truly happy, a woman must live life like a man. If a female wants to pursue a job in foreign policy, or any other male-dominated field or profession, she must prepare herself with appropriate education, mentors and network and think "adventure in life" instead of "man, marriage and kids." The three things your colleagues mentioned are absolutely on target. And if think tanks do hate women, maybe it's because women hate themselves.

 

LOL_IN_OREGON

10:49 AM ET

July 16, 2011

City of Males: So What?

The problem is that "the game is rigged".

Go read Shelly Tailor's research on the Gender Specific Hormonal Response to Stress. It is clear that stress loving individuals create an environment were "individual choices" are sorting function for those other folk who like gratuitous "stress", which generally excludes women.

But then this eliminates 50% of the competition for the positions at am early stage so that clueless wonders don't have to work so hard!

 

MAZO

2:10 PM ET

July 17, 2011

Double Standards Against Whom?

Why aren't there articles about Gender bias in industries like media and publishing, nursing, Primary school teachers, Airline Cabin crew, Beauticians, Gynecologists, etc where men aren't "equally represented" ? Why don't we have article about how men are "disadvantaged" by the loss of gainful employment in so many areas "DOMINATED" by women for decades ?

Also, if women are "discriminated" against in so many areas, why aren't there feminists who are campaigning and writing articles about how there are so few "women" working as truck drivers, cab drivers, painters, electricians, masons etc ?? Why is it the campaign for "equality" by feminists extends only to the white collar professions and the high paying prestigious jobs ?

Clearly, there is a ridiculous double standard employed by so called "feminists" that has been indoctrinated into women as a matter of faith - that men have been consciously and systematically excluding women from "achieving their potential" and continue to do so and therefore they have to hoist the flag of feminism and rail about the "injustices" and the "disadvantages" that are being meted out to them! Never mind the fact that in reality the US Federal Government, the State governments, thousands of charitable organizations and thousands of foundations are pumping BILLIONS of dollars on helping women with scholarships, quotas, special programs and what have you, while there is literally not one penny spent on better "males" in this country because well that would be "unmanly" ! The real sad irony is that despite so much funding and so many legal protections and public and private provisions to foster and encourage women to develop themselves, men are still accused of perpetuating "discrimination" and "double standards".

There is a double standard, the double standard is in how women and men don't compete on equal terms and what was once rightfully challenged by women as being biased against them has now been reversed into being biased towards them. In a time when politically correct terminology is fashionable and savvy there has been a frenetic effort by corporations, the Federal Government, the US Military and every other group to push women staff to visible positions and comply with political correct and politically fashionable culture despite the fact that many are not ready and many are not capable. Yet the same tired refrain is heard about how women are being "singled out" and "disadvantaged'.

Like the boy who cried wolf, this charge of bias now rings hollow and soon the girl who cries "discrimination" shall be a parable that future generations shall teach their children !

 

SORENLERBY

11:19 AM ET

July 18, 2011

There should not be too many women

Why there are not many women? Because men do the actual work, research foreign policy issues, etc. while the majority of what women do is not to study foreign policy isues but engage in the kind of bean-counting, moralizing and denouncing of males, seeing and analyzing your own male co-workers as enemy and oppressor, that's best exemplified by this article. The day when there are more women or equal number of women as men is the day when American think tank is rendered no longer relevant.
You can;t have an effective insitution when all the work is done by half and the other half is bent on scrutining and bringin down the other half as enemy.

 

ZARINA DURRANI

12:00 PM ET

July 18, 2011

There Is Gender Balance in Many Think Tanks

Certainly we need more women in the halls of official and unofficial Washington. But the cover story proclaiming that “Think Tanks Hate Women” uses inaccurate information, at least with regard to Brookings.

As Director of HR at Brookings, I know that as of June 30, Brookings had 412 total employees (not 293), of which 56% (not 21%) are female. And 37% (not 20%) of the employees actively engaged in research at Brookings are women. To ensure that we sustain, and ideally increase, this figure, in 2008 some of my colleagues created the Women’s Mentoring Network to foster networking opportunities within the Institution and to build strategies for career progression among female employees. Those of us in leadership continue to work on various ways to attract and retain women and people of color into scholar and senior leadership positions here.

While this story highlights an important issue, it casts an unfair aspersion on Brookings, and, I suspect, on many of our sister think tanks.

 

KATHRYNJWHITT

6:55 PM ET

July 18, 2011

You missed the point

The whole point of the article is to state that there are simply more men than women in Washington's foreign-policy community.

There is really no need to debate on discrimination and equality. The question to ask is how many women actually want positions in Washington's foreign-policy community.

These women don't need to buy digital cameras and look pretty. They need to take action if they want these positions and prove themselves.

 

ZAOTAR

1:47 PM ET

July 19, 2011

"Shocker" ... Women Aren't Interested In Foreign Policy

Zenko could have just looked at the male/female ratio of subscribers to Foreign Policy and figured out why foreign policy think tanks are disproportionately male.

Next Zenko will drop the BOMBSHELL that model train enthusiasts are disproportionately men ... and SO ARE TRAIN CONDUCTORS! And then what brilliant social insights will he treat us to after that? Is he going to move on to airline pilots? I think he is!

Surely the answer to all of this is to mandate strict sex quotas, regardless of interest, for every area of human endeavor. If men and women will not willingly conform to our views of precise sexual equality in all things, then we will build our heaven of equality at the end of a gov't baton.

 

JOEKING

11:30 PM ET

July 21, 2011

City of Good Men!

Statistics are good to draw doodles on. They don’t make any difference whatsoever. It’s like saying if there is poor circulation in legs then legs are the reason for poor blood circulation in the body. Nonsense! Get to the root of the problem. We don’t need equal number of men and women in Washington. What we need is good men or good women.

It is not the gender that makes good decisions, but a professional with sharp mind and a good set of values. Would you like to have to say 75% of women who are in that group who are an exact replica of Sarah Palin?

 

IMANT

7:46 AM ET

July 22, 2011

Well, my opinion is that it

Well, my opinion is that it is not always about the choice and it is not always about the prejudices. I have lots of female friends who work in huge corporations, they are interested in politics, in science, are good at math, etc. They say that they do not feel any pressure from male colleagues. But there are also women who would love to be involved in politics or work in big corporations, but they are stopped by the social stereotypes. They say that they are scared that this kind of job will be an obstacle for having the family, children. As such high positions require a lot of time and energy. And I absolutely agree with the author’s reason for the minority of women in “powerful” professions – they just cannot afford to spend so much time at work. And for women it is really a choice – family or job. I doubt that men are judged if they spend a lot of time at work or travel a lot. Also there are not many men out there who are ready to accept that their wife will spend so much time at work. So, sometimes it is not about the choice. I also have a female friend who wanted to get the promotion, but who was said right into her face, that her male colleagues are more likely to be promoted. (Yes, the “male” was highlighted). So, sometimes it is really about the prejudices, but there is nobody to blame.

imant

 

EUASIAWATCHER

1:19 PM ET

August 1, 2011

Missing piece in the stats...

This piece seems to have got a lot of people's backs up for reasons that are not immediately obvious. It neither victimises women, nor does it attack men.

Obviously men are not to be blamed for the absence of women in foreign policy. If anything, the majority of men that I've encountered whilst working for think tanks have been deeply supportive and proactive in their attempts to redress the balance. I don't see that this piece argued the contrary...

What I will say is that it's missing one crucial piece. My observation after 3 years of working in this space has suggested that women make up the majority of junior level and support positions in think tanks and in the policy world more broadly. This makes the absence of women in senior positions more striking. Appreciating that there has been improvement in the last stretch in the opportunities available to women and so that there, is as a result, likely to be an imbalance in age and sex distribution to some extent, I am disinclined to believe that this is the only reason there's a big drop off.

I suspect that the usual roster of causes plays into it (some of which this piece explores): women are less good at asking for promotions and being self-promoting than their male counterparts; managing a family and a career is difficult; there is a lack of female role models (though less so now) and mentors; and, more controversially, an under confidence in the work space means that women do better in junior positions than men. They are more willing to do tasks that men in similar positions would feel were beneath them and are thus more likely to do well in those positions than men, but less likely in positions where they are required to take on other responsibilities (this is something my colleagues and I have seen a lot of first hand). An additional difficulty is that because there are so many young women in foreign policy and so few senior, one instinctively believes women to be more junior, regardless of their title, until proved wrong. I've even caught myself doing this in some cases (and then kicking myself very hard subsequently).

Yes, a lot has been done to break the glass ceiling, and there are no longer any insurmountable obstacles in the way. However, there are still obstacles - some of them legal (e.g. childcare provisions which favor mothers over fathers rather than giving parents the choice), some of them social (e.g. perceptions of women in foreign policy), and many of them pyschological (e.g. inability to self-promote). Progress has certainly been made, but there's more to go yet and seeing that happen is not just a matter of patience. Some of this needs to take place in the broader context, but much of it needs to be industry specific.

There needs to be more thought from and conversation between people who work in all areas of the industry - not just those doing 'women in foreign policy'. It's fantastic that this conversation is being had and it's great that it's being had in a reputable industry magazine like Foreign Policy rather than in the usual ideological feminist or left wing rags, and I hope it continues. It makes one slightly less daunted by the prospect of being a woman in this space. It's nice to see that one doesn't need to have to take on all of these problems by oneself in addition to the typical ambitions of people working in this space...

 

HANG HUMMERT

11:30 PM ET

August 10, 2011

City of Men

From my point of view: The question upon which the whole future peace and policy of the world depends is this: Is the present war a struggle for a just and secure peace, or only for a new balance of power? If it be only a struggle for a new balance of power, who will guarantee, who can guarantee, the stable equilibrium of the new arrangement? Only a tranquil Europe can be a stable Europe. There must be, not a balance of power, but a community of power; not organized rivalries, but an organized common peace..

Thanks faye reagan for editting.

 

JACQULINE.ATKIK

5:09 PM ET

August 12, 2011

City of Men

The numbers are in, and they show a staggering absence of women in Washington's foreign-policy community. Civilization is the creation of the male mind. You politically correct guys look at history and hopefully you will get what I am talking about. Philosophy, physics, mathematics, symphonic music, orchestra conducting, etc. were and still are the domain of males. Why? Because very very few women are capable of complex multi-faceted thinking. A think tank needs people who can relate / connect facts a read more ost , than they moved on to terror and suicide bombings in the second Intifada and lost again, now they realized they cannot beat us through force than they are trying to show Israel in a bad light to the world as if they are up with the standard of the western world. branda branda gsm phone software The law is for the purpose of not giving a hand and funding through the government to organization

 

MICHEALHOLDING

7:31 AM ET

August 13, 2011

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