Afghanistan Is Now India's Problem

The United States may soon have the option of washing its hands of Afghanistan. But with an untrustworthy Pakistani military exerting greater influence, India does not.

BY SUMIT GANGULY | JULY 19, 2011

This week, the second U.S.-India Strategic Dialogue under the aegis of Barack Obama's administration will be held in New Delhi. While much attention will undoubtedly focus on July 13's horrific bombings in Mumbai, it's the impending drawdown of U.S. forces from Afghanistan that will likely consume most of the discussions.

India is a significant player in Afghanistan. It has the world's fifth-largest aid program there, having committed $1.5 billion in developmental assistance. It has played a key role in reconstruction and has developed training programs for Afghan civil servants and police. India has made these investments in the country because its policymakers are keen on ensuring that a radical Islamist regime does not return to the country, that Pakistan not wield a disproportionate influence on any future government, and that Afghanistan might serve as a bridgehead for India's economic ties to the Central Asian states.

But as the U.S. military drawdown has begun, there is growing apprehension in New Delhi that India's investments may be at risk. These fears are far from chimerical; India's past experiences with the Taliban regime provide much basis for serious anxieties -- and not just due to the radical movement's long-standing ties to Pakistan.

Above all, India fears that a reconstituted Taliban regime would allow a host of anti-Indian terrorist groups, most notably Lashkar-e-Taiba, to find sanctuaries and training grounds in Afghanistan. Some astute New Delhi-based analysts also worry that a resurgent Taliban may actually help broker a peace agreement between the Pakistani regime and Pakistani domestic terrorist groups like Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. That, they argue, could redirect the collective wrath of various jihadi organizations from internecine conflict and focus it on India, and more specifically Indian-controlled Kashmir. Finally, they are concerned that a Taliban-dominated regime would forge links with the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and other jihadi groups in Central Asia, thereby adversely affecting India's quest for access to energy resources and markets in the region.

Yet New Delhi also sees the writing on the wall. In mid-June this year, India dropped its previously unyielding opposition to any form of reconciliation with the Taliban when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh suggested that India would be open to any form of reconciliation that is Afghan-led. This concession was far from trivial, and reflects India's recognition that it needs to demonstrate a degree of flexibility as the U.S. withdrawal approaches to ensure that its interests are not wholly ignored.

According to an ABC poll conducted in December 2008 and January 2009, India is popular in Afghanistan, despite its past mistakes during the Soviet invasion and occupation of the country. Yet without security, it is far from clear that India will be able to maintain its current profile in the country. Thanks to Pakistani intransigence (with America's acquiescence), India has been unable to place any viable security contingent in Afghanistan and has also shied away from training the Afghan army. Even its substantial diplomatic presence within the country has been subject to routine Pakistani diplomatic barrages and, in all likelihood, at least one Pakistan-linked attack on its embassy in Kabul, in October 2009. Despite these pressures, India has stuck to its guns in the country and has continued with its developmental activities. India will not easily walk away from Afghanistan.

That said, India's policymakers have yet to devise anything resembling a viable plan for a post-ISAF Afghanistan. Neither the Afghan National Army nor the Afghan National Police are up to the task of coping with a resurgent Taliban, and most foreign troops are scheduled to leave by 2014. So far, India's plans consist largely of hand-wringing and facile hopes.

Key members of the policy establishment apparently believe that the gradual American shift from counterinsurgency to counterterrorism will work. From their perspective, the steady erosion of the Taliban leadership through airstrikes and Special Forces raids could weaken the movement sufficiently to enable President Hamid Karzai's government to survive the U.S. drawdown. In large measure, their analysis draws on the experience of Mohammad Najibullah's regime, which survived a full three years after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan. Compared with that brutal, Soviet-backed regime, Karzai's government, while widely perceived to be corrupt and inept, still commands some shred of legitimacy.

India's historic ties to the Northern Alliance could be helpful. Yet New Delhi has yet to decide when to decisively mobilize its contacts to prevent a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. Meanwhile, it appears strangely content with maintaining links with the Karzai regime and bolstering its developmental assistance programs in the country.

Given the stakes involved, a small handful of Indian security analysts has started to publicly argue that India should offer to train Afghan security personnel. They stress that such a policy choice would not only bolster the Karzai regime but would also enable India to help shape Afghan's political future. Sadly, the Indian political leadership has shown little inclination to act on this proposal.

Simultaneously, Washington has evinced little interest in promoting that prospect for fear that it would promptly elicit strenuous Pakistani objections. Quite predictably, its political and military leadership will argue that such a policy shift would grant India undue political influence within Afghanistan and prove detrimental to Pakistan's security. Such objections notwithstanding, Pakistan should not be in a position to exercise a unit veto over Indian policy choices.

Bluntly put, given the growing evidence of the Pakistani military's duplicity in sustaining the Taliban, its misgivings may have to be set aside. Despite its professions of cooperation, and after nearly $12 billion worth of U.S. assistance over the past decade, it has proved to be a Janus-faced ally. India's interest in ensuring a non-Talibanized Afghanistan actually dovetails with those of the United States. In this context, it is worth recalling that it was the Taliban that played host to Osama bin Laden after he was forced to leave Sudan. There is little reason to allow them to find their way back to power in Kabul, Karzai's recent overtures notwithstanding. Given that India shares a compelling strategic interest in preventing their resurgence and possesses the requisite institutional capacity to train Afghan security forces, Washington should prod it to assume that burden.

As U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her entourage sit down with their Indian counterparts, a candid discussion of the regional implications of the troop drawdown is more important than ever. The United States may have the option of washing its hands of Afghanistan, but India does not.

AHMAD MASOOD/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS: INDIA, SOUTH ASIA
 

Sumit Ganguly is a professor of political science and holds the Rabindranath Tagore chair in Indian cultures and civilizations at Indiana University, Bloomington.

STRIVER

1:17 PM ET

July 19, 2011

Striver

I find some of the assertions in this article staggeringly amazing. A good attempt has been made in the article playing on the fears the west is familiar with. It is a good attempt becasue the arguments have been constructed logically, that's all.

But who is the writer trying to fool? Obviously the article is meant for western audience who have been fooled by thier own 'democratic' governemtns anyway creating similar fears in the mind of their masses.

There is good reason why India is poking its nose in Afghanistan and it is not the reason Sumit would have you believe.He is one of diehard anti-Pakistan Indian journalists.

The article is full of DOUBLE SPEAK and is attemting hide nefarious Indian designs of casuing bloodhsed and destruction in Afghnaistan and Paksitan. it will also open another front with Pakistan. The AfPak border is difficult to monitor and control as the American and Nato have discovered easy to send in Indian terrorists into Pakistan and casue mayhem. That is why Pakistan is against Indian having a foothold in its back-yard.

But do the western governments care? NO. Western policies are important, the lives of non-white non-western peoples are not important. We undertand that quite clearly even if the people in the west do not.

I could go on .........but suffice to say that India has just begun is media and diplomatic campaign to create reasons for America to allow India a role in Afghanistan before US troops start to leave. IT WILL FAIL.

 

STRIVER

7:22 PM ET

July 20, 2011

YHWH

Teh colour of my diapers is brillaint white unlike yours. Have I hurt you by telling you the truth aout Indian sepratist movements.

My point is perfectly valid. Iahve shown the other face of India. No county has more separatist movements than India. I have just proven it. face the truth.

You really do talk nonesense. Recall the meaning of the word SATI. Hindu widows fulfilling their religious duty by being burnt alive along with their dead husbads body. You can that civilised?

Taliban are a recent phenomina, the 'barbrians' who could not be defeated by the NATO and US put together. So when exactly did India come into existence in your little mind?

You have proved me right yet again. You Indians prove me right everytime without fail. Thank you. have I not told you that if we start to speak out we are accused of being Jihadis.

From top to toe you are full of hate for Paskitan. You are not a member of the RSS are you? Or may be you sned them funds like a lot of Hindus settled in Europe do?

 

VISIONTUNNEL

2:39 PM ET

July 22, 2011

Pakistan always strives for more self destructive troubles

Striver,

At least Afghanistan will continue to rot till Pakistani Army and ISI, the real and perpetual are contained by any sane new Pakistani Civilian leaders who can kick Mullah and Fat Idiotic Generals, to where they belong. But looking to the wide spread support for such lunacy, even with seemingly educated and well informed Pakistanis, the chances are Grimm.

Certainly wise Pakistani Rulers have collected, nurtured, trained and mobilized teeming hordes of dehumanized Jihadis killers,Fanatics and terrorists to bleed India and crush Poor Afghanistan.

There no point repeating what is already known but never accepted in spite tons of proofs by those who would never believe in hard realities and gruesome truth.

Such lofty well meaning souls are entitle to their eternal hazy delusions.

But reality is a heartless bitch and never fails to bite, sooner or later.

 

MARTY MARTEL

2:50 PM ET

July 19, 2011

Manmohan Singh will be helpless against Pakistani takeover

With US ready to wash its hands off Afghanistan, it is only a matter of time that Taliban rule will be imposed by Pakistan on Afghanistan.

Next in line is president Karzai’s head for Pakistan-controlled Taliban.

Disarray will ensue the death of Hamid Karzai that Pakistan will exploit to the fullest while Manmohan’s India will stand idly by.

Manmohan’s PEACEFUL India is in NO position to prevent Pakistani takeover. Pakistan will have its strategic depth against India so that then it can turn its full attention to terrorize India while Sonia-Singh government continues to minimize the impact of Pakistan-sponsored terrorist activities in India as it did in latest Mumbai terror attacks.

 

STRIVER

5:27 PM ET

July 19, 2011

Striver

Marty Martel, oh Marty Martel, when are you lot going to think for yourselves.

I know west was outsoucring its repetitious back office jobs to India but arn't you taking outsourcing a bit too far. Don't let others do the thinking for you DO IT YOURSLFE. YOU DO HAVE A BRAIN AND IT WILL FUNCTION PROPERLY IF YOU START TO USE IT. HVE THE CONFIDENCE.TRUST me because I've cured one or two of your type already. (sorry if I've hurt you, I just like being sarcastic, it makes life interesting. Try it on me if you like).

You've thrown about some beautiful gems in your comments like, 'Manmohan's PEACEFUL India'. I just love your simplicity and naiveness. Godbless you. But I just wonder if you live in the same world as we do and read the same papers as we do. Since when has India been peaceful exactly? Look at the list below and memorise it:

1- Arunachal Pradesh
Rebel organization: Arunachal Dragon Force
Proposed autonomous region: Teola country

2- Assam
Bodoland, Dimasaland, Kamtapur, Karbi

Rebel organization: United Liberation Front of Assam, Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam
Bodoland
Political parties: National Democratic Front of Bodoland
Dimasaland
Political party: Dima Halim Daogah

3- Garo
Rebel organizations: People's Liberation Front of Meghalaya/Achik National Volunteer Council
Proposed autonomous region: Achikland

4- Gondwana
Political party: Gondwana Ganatantra Party, seeking to create a Gondi state from parts of Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, and Maharashtra

5- Kamtapur
Political party: Kamtapur Peoples Party (political wing of KLO)
Rebel organizations: Kamtapur Liberation Organisation, Koch-Rajbongshi Liberation Organisation

6- Karbi
Rebel organization: Karbi National Volunteers, United People’s Democratic Solidarity
Proposed autonomous region: Karbi-Anglong

7- Karnataka
Proposed State:Tulu Nad,seeking to create a Tulu state from parts of Karnataka

8-Kashmir
Rebel organizations:Lashkar-e-Toiba, Harkat-ul-mujahideen
Proposed state: Unification with Pakistan
Political organizations:All Parties Hurriyat Conference, Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front
Proposed state: Independent State of Kashmir

9- Nagaland
Rebel organization: National Socialist Council of Nagaland
Government-in-exile: Government of the People’s Republic of Nagaland
Proposed state: Nagalim, or Peoples Republic of Nagaland

10-Manipur
Rebel organizations: Hmar People's Convention–Democrat, Manipur People’s Liberation Front, United National Liberation Front, Revolutionary People's Front of Manipur, People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak

11- Mizoram
Rebel organizations: Zomi Revolutionary Organization[citation needed], Mizoram Farmers Liberation Force[citation needed]
Proposed state: Zozam

12- Punjab
Proposed state: Khalistan
Rebel organizations: Khalistan Commando Force, Babbar Khalsa International, Khalistan Zindabad Force, International Sikh Youth Federation, Khalistan Liberation Force

13- Tamil Nadu
Rebel organizations: Tamil National Retrieval Troops, Tamil Nadu Liberation Army

14- Telangana
Political parties: Telangana Rashtra Samithi, seeking to separate Telangana from Andhra Pradesh state. Various other minor groups such as Jai Telangana Party, Telangana Communist Party, Telangana Janata Party, Telangana Praja Samithi, Telangana Rashtra Party, Telangana Rashtra Sadhana Front, Telangana Rashtra Samithi and Telangana Sadhana Samithi

15- Tripura
Rebel organizations: National Liberation Front of Tripura (two factions operating), All Tripura Tiger Force

16- Vidarbha
Political parties: Vidarbha Rajya Party, Vidarbha Vikas Party, seeking to separate Vidarbha from Maharashtra

17-Rayalaseema Telugu is a geographic region in the state of Andhra Pradesh in India

 

STRIVER

3:40 AM ET

July 20, 2011

Dr Khuchbi and my Garbage

Dr Khuchbi. Every forum has its idiot and FP is no exception. You have proved yourself worthy of the title of FP forum's idiot.

Why do I say that? Firstly, because:

1. You have attributed comments to me that are not mine and things that I have never said.You see what I mean Dr.K? You see things that are not there. You see how much hold your 'democratically elected leaders' have on your mind? You are a man possessed by demons. Tragedy is you elect those demons to govern over you.

They couldn't careless if you died today. In fact they wouldn't even know you existed. So why listen to and defend them and their policies. They are leading you astray.

2. The language that you use against the Pakistanis is reflective of your state of mind. You are brimming with needless hatred for Pakistan. Come out of it before it turns you into a psychopath, unless of course, you have already reached that state.

You are exactly the type of people your 'politicians' love to preach to so that they can work you up to a frenzy and keep you there to serve their purpose. Come back to the real world and be saved.

Look out for my comment after this. I am going to reveal a fact that will startle you and a lot of others like you. Look out for it headed FACT IS......

 

GMS@NMCIGROUP.COM

9:36 AM ET

July 20, 2011

Indian empire re-visited

Former Indian Chief of Indian Army General Shankar Roy Chowdhury in an interview published in the London edition of the Indian English daily on the 24th March, 2009 has stated on a range of issues wherein two points seem to me to be critically important. One, in his verbatim, ‘Delhi can not afford to let Dhaka slip of its radar. Second, point there is what he termed as the issue of ‘Great Game’ at stake. It was not clearly explained. However, various points are in the Indian radar screen.

India has dream of reestablishing the AKHANDA BHARAT or reunited pre-Aryan India including Afghanistan in the western end to Thailand in the East and so with further eye in the far East Asia – Indonesia and the Philippines. Bangladesh is the immediate and the first target in the Great Game in continuing conflict of the regional history.

Manmohan Singh will visit Bangladesh next month to cement a deal that will allow India have unfettered access through Bangladeshi roads to transport their commercial as well as military goods and personnel through Bangladesh. Bangladeshis fear that this is a pretext to use Bangladeshi roads to indiscriminately move intelligence and military personnel to control Bangladesh to eternity. Hasina is grateful to India just like Karzai in that, her very existence was sealed by the intelligence and the Indian might transposed on Bangladesh. American government policy helped make it possible. Bangladesh is too small to retaliate India. I can write countless infringements by India into Bangladeshi politics and economy. If you take a poll of Bangladeshis today; you may get surprising 80 percent negative votes against Indian involvement in Bangladesh.

The question is whether India is peaceful? I was born in Bangladesh and watch the news everywhere and I see everyone in the United States is pumping India to rise. It is one of the greatest mistakes Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the US politicians (who are well fed by the Indian special interests). We will regret one day. That, we have fed an Indian Cobra on the rise in the foothills of the Himalayas.

 

AMJID

11:44 AM ET

July 20, 2011

Nightmare for indians

Indians are now living in fear. after spending huge amount and starving their own people with hunger and poverty, now it is writing on wall that their all investment is going to waste. When US and NATO forces were unable to withstand against Taliban, then indians are only story of 10-20 suicide attacks by Taliban.
I would suggest to Indians, go back to your own country and spend your money on your people where your women are working as prostitutes for foreigners just earn money so that they can feed themselves. When you are killing million of young girls just for the sake that you do not have money to pay dowery. What a pathetic society and what a gutter class people.

 

KASEMAN

6:19 PM ET

July 20, 2011

taleban will never conquer Afghanistan

The author, like so many other poseurs on matters A'stan, needs to brush up on who is who in A'stan and its history thereof. First the Talebs are Pushtoon terrorists driven by ideology, so will never control the non Pushtoon=Northern Alliance areas as long as it has US support. Which is certain. Ore 2001 the Talebs conquered most of A'stan because it was backed by Pakistan while the West deserted the NA. The two were together in defeating the Red Army, thus the USSR so liberating the East Europenn Christians!! Not Ronald Reagon or the CIA which came in 18 months after Moscow decided to withdraw.

As to the author's contention that the Afghan police and army would not be up to the job of overcomingthe RESURGENT Taleb, who the hell is reponsiible for this resurgence? Non other than the incompetent and dysfuntional US military. Led by the stupidest white men in uniform. Why are 30,000 Taleban able to resurge = go on the offensive despite being bashed over 9 years by the NATO army of 200,000 and all those bombs?

India best keep out of A'stan. Its a grave yard of empires waiting for the next empire, the Punjabi one aka Pakistan.
.

 

SUNIL_NAGAR

5:48 AM ET

July 27, 2011

Afghanistan is India's problem

@Amjid,

Don't worry, now we get foreigner prostitutes in India. You may like to send some Paki ones as well.

 

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July 19, 2011

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STRIVER

4:11 AM ET

July 20, 2011

Dr. Kuchbi & Marty Martel please....

...we don't want to know what you do in private. Stop it please.There is a time and place for everything and this is not it for these sort of things.

 

ABDALI

5:06 PM ET

July 20, 2011

Comments match exactly to the the channul

As is the blog , so is the comments !!!!! haha

 

STRIVER

7:27 PM ET

July 20, 2011

Dr. Kutchbhi

It was meant as a joke sir. noting more. I guess a joke that went wrong.

 

THOMASBERRY

6:30 AM ET

July 20, 2011

Pragmatic

Let us be pragmatic about this. There people posting here who clearly believe Pakistan to be evil incarnate and those who believe India to be. Both countries have a lot to gain from "controlling" Afghanistan, the most obvious of those is that the two countries are still at war. Because of a massive advantage India has both in terms of it armed forces (equipment and size) and nuclear arsenal, Pakistan has had to resort to what asymetrical warfare through proxy organisations. There evidence to support this is myriad, can we not have national pride get in the way of the facts.

The likelihood of India using Afghanistan as a second front is slim, as is that of sending Indian "terrorists" across the border. If think Pakistan has enough trouble with militants in the FATA/NWFP for India to need to do that.

The biggest gain which has been set out in this article is that of economic gain, the Indian economy is growing at speed. China too had invested great sums in Afghanistan and in Pakistan.

The stability of the Pakistani state is actually of great importance to India, maintaining a status quo avoids conflict which would harm economic growth in India and could after all lead to nuclear war, one which India would win but at a great cost.

 

STRIVER

7:50 AM ET

July 20, 2011

Much needed intervention

Thank you, we needed someone to come in and put things back on track where they should be. This is just like Pakistan asking the US to come in and mediate over Kashmir but India refuses.

I will have to disagree with you on several points. Firslty though, and it needs to be said, for the west India is like a 'new kid on the block'. West is looking at India with a monocle (a state to use against China, therefore giving it all the help it needs to strengthen it regional power). What the west needs is a bifocul lense. Pakistanis here can provide that part becuase Pakistanis live next door and know much more about HINDUSTAN as they like to call in India in private (India='secular' to fool the public, Hindustan=fundamentalist hindu state) than those in the west.

Based on Pakistan's experience with HINDUSTAN since 1947 we know for a fact that what mischief they can get up to and have got up to in the past and now. We are gong by experience whilst, and I say this with all due respect, you are going by what you read in the Indian media.

There are plenty of what I call 'ARMCHAIR' critics in the world. Some of them mean well but that is not enough.

We know for a fact that India will and laready has put its terrorists across the border. The fact that west cannot see it is becasue it does not want to, yet.

All text books and artciles will tell you that stability of Pakistan is important for India. The truth as always lies elsewhere. At every ecnonomic forum India opposes Pakistan. I can gice you plenty of examples, this is what I mean when I say Pakistanis here can provide the other part of the lense for you to clealry see the real face of India and stop beleiveing in the DOUBLESPEAK that Indian journalists and writers ahve learnt from their western counterparts.

 

STRIVER

10:08 AM ET

July 20, 2011

An example most recent

Clinton on her visit to India yesterday:
“As India takes on a larger role throughout the Asia-Pacific, it is also taking on new responsibilities including the duty to speak out against violations of universal human rights,” she said.

You see we don't do doublespeak we tell it staright as it is, the truth.

Now does this woamn really care about human rights? If she did she would be telling the Indian to sort out Kashnir where these Hindustani soldiers are raping, murdering, inncoent civilians and all becasue the Kashmiri asre asking to allow them the right given under the UN resolution to decide if they want to be with India, pakistan or independent.

Yes UN RESOLUTION GIVES KASHMIRIS THE RIGHT TO DEMAN IT. HINDUSTAN HAS Denied them this right since for the last 60 years. Those who speak up are killed, their women raped.

You want statics Ican give you statistics.

So if this woman cared about UN resolutions she would push India to allow Kashmiris this right. Going by its past record it shuold put sanctions on India and cluster bomb it using depleted uranium as it does to Muslim countires.

So don't give us your outdated, far-from-reality analysis. we know and see what is going on. We are not ARMCHAIR analysts. Our people are at the receiving end of the cluster bombs and dpeleted uranium. We see things as they are not as you want us see.

 

THOMASBERRY

11:19 AM ET

July 20, 2011

I'll agree with you on a

I'll agree with you on a couple of broader points. Firstly though i'd like to say that I don't read Indian news papers or view Indian media. I draw my conclusions from texts books and from what I read in journals, I know you have to take these things with a pinch of salt.

India as you say is hardly secular, the laws do no help people escape arranged marriages and the caste system still exists. I am not religious, but as the saying goes "let he without sin cast the first stone", Pakistan may be openly Muslim but that does not mean that it should let religious discourse get in the way of justice. I'm refering to the treatment of the victims of rape as just one example.

The human rights spiel is a little sickening but is a necessary part of any speach made by a Western diplomat in the developing world. India is guilty of human rights abuses, there is no doubt in that. In Kashmir there is plenty of evidence of extrajudicial killings, abductions and as you say rapes. Going back to my earlier pragmatism I'd say that in the mind of the U.S and Western world this is certainly the lesser of two evils in terms of what a Pakistani-backed Taliban regime in Kabul would look like. History will judge us on our actions. The sooner that India and Pakistan can resign historical, and to an extent religious hatreds to the pages of history and realise that for either economy and thus country to reach it's full potential peace and co-operation is a must. Finger pointing is all very well and good but it results in nothing but perpetuating these views and no resolution to wider problems.

 

STRIVER

1:30 PM ET

July 20, 2011

At last..

...somone talking some sense. You see that is all that is needed to hold a mature dialogue.

Pakistanis are a misunderstood nation and its not their fault. The quagmire that they are in is not of their making. They are accused of being fundamentalists. They are not. If the west says, so everyone beleives it.

They are accused of hating India and their policies being India-centric. They do not, but yes the polcies are India-centric, they have to be. Its India and the west that says, so everyone beleives it.

The fault lies not with the Pakistanis but with the PR and perception managment industry that earns billions for deceiving the public to further the murderous policies of the western governments. Indan media has begun to use the same kind of language.

The fault lies with the leaders of the western world and the interests of the multinationals they represent. They are an unscupulous lot rather than admiting defeat they will experiment with new strategies killing yet more people, destroying yet more properties, shattering yet more lives. We suffer. Our relatives are used as live targets for testing the latest western weaponary and when we speak up we get called terroists.

The fault lies with the 'armrchair' analysts of western think tanks of the type who produce Clash of Civilisations and other works similar concept.

You yourself sir are guilty of using doublespeak. Why use the word 'asymeteric' when you mean terrorism.

Yes you are probably begining to think, this guy is blaming eveyone-else accept his own lot, just typical.

Noone has ever asked us our opinion. On rare occassion when we are asked our views are distorted. Ask us direct questions we are not the type to employ doublespeak. We tell you exactly what we mean. If you want proof, you only need to read our newspapers to see how critical they are of Pakistani society. How critical they are of the rape laws you mentioned and other ills in society (every socity has its fair share of it).

I tell you no-one pours more criticism on Pakistan and Pakistanis than the Pakistanis themselves. We identify the ills but we haven't got the leadership who will help us sort those ills.

I ask you, in you heart of hearts, do you really believe politicians (any) tend to tell the truth nothing but the truth. Yet when the tell you lies about us why do you beleive them?

Pakistan has bent over backwards to have friendly relations with Pakistan. Throughout history of Indo-Pak relations Pakistan has alway been the first to extend its hand of friendship. Its never been reciprocated. Yet reading the Indian and western media you would, if you didn't know any better, begin to beleive in 'Incredible India' India is incredible.

Real history sir lies not in the text books oe wikipwedia but in the hearts of your victims. Search their hearts for once, please.

 

BASHY QURAISHY

6:18 PM ET

July 20, 2011

Afghanistan Is Now India's Problem

Sumit Ganguly has Hindustani roots. He has time and again blasted Pakistan in International media. That is what he is paid for, but one needs to ask; Why does a so-called neutral and influential magazine with close contacts with USA State Department would let such an openly bigoted and anti-Pakistan journalist use this prominent platform? The answer itself lies in MR. Gangulay’s statements and American government’s recent action and proclamations about Pakistan.
Striver has very rightly pointed out the facts, which some commentators – like Dr. Kuchbi & Marty Martel refuse to accept, but such mindset clearly indicate ignorance and lack of understanding of international geo-political realities.
For such people, let me give two examples of Hindustan’s democracy and to put things in perspective. Stephen Moss from Guardian interviewed Arundhati Roy ( 5 June 2011) and talked with her new book; “Broken Republic”. Here is what she tells: “ My home has been pelted with stones; the Indian launch of Broken Republic was interrupted by pro-government demonstrators who stormed the stage; I may be charged with sedition for saying that Kashmiris should be given the right of self-determination. They are trying to keep me destabilised. Anybody who says anything is in danger. Hundreds of people are in jail."
Coming to India/USA versus Pakistan, the relationship between Pakistan and USA has never been about trust. It was and is a strategic alliance founded on complementary interests. Pakistan wants military assistance and the USA needs for regional support in the Afghanistan war. You cannot buy the loyalty of the second largest Muslim country in the world and an atomic power to top it.
Recently, I read an interesting yet very disturbing article; “Imperial Eye on Pakistan”, by Andrew Gavin Marshall in Global Research, May 28, 2011; He pointed out that “America has, in recent years, altered its strategy in Pakistan in the direction of destabilization. In short, Pakistan is an American target. The reason: Pakistan’s growing military and strategic ties to China, America’s primary global strategic rival”.
USA Think Tanks, government officials and CIA has often accused Pakistan to be too India fixed and have advised, even cajoled Pakistan to shift its forces from Indian border to the Afghan/ Pakistan front to fight America’s losing war on terrorism.
These anti-Pakistan lobbies often present India as a peace loving country, which has no designs against and ill will towards Pakistan. These self styled pundits as well as pro-Indian lobby in Pakistan should be ashamed of such a behavior and now think deep and hard about such a misguided discourse. Here is why?

A report by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (Sipri) says that India accounted for 9% of all global weapons imports between 2006 and 2010. The study also shows that India has overtaken China to become the world's largest importer of arms. As it was not enough, the report predicts that India will continue to be to the leading arms importer in the coming future, the report adds.
India’s present defense budget is a whopping $32.5bn and it is looking to spend more than $50 bn over the next five years to modernize its armed forces, including a $10 bn deal to buy 126 new fighter jets. Last October, India announced that it would buy 250 to 300 advanced fifth-generation stealth fighter jets from Russia over the next 10 years. The deal, which could be worth up to $30 bn, is believed to be the largest in India's military history. Now it has decided to buy even more hardware by short-listing two European fighters and ruled out two US rivals for a key $11 bn military contract. (BBC News. 28 April 2011)
It is said by the western experts that India's increased spending on arms comes amid rising concerns about China's growing power, and its traditional rivalry with neighboring Pakistan, with which is has fought three wars.
Well, we all know that India with all its weapons is no match to China. The billion-dollar question then remains: Where would all these expensive and latest jetfighters be used. Not in Himalaya Mountains or in dogfights over Tibet.
Naturally, all this hardware would be used against Pakistan to fulfill the old Hindustani dream of Nehru, who during the partition time very arrogantly remarked; “Let them have their Pakistan. It will come crawling back to Mother India in six months.”

 

STRIVER

7:32 AM ET

July 21, 2011

Bashy QURAISHY

Very interesting points you raised sir with excellent sources mentioned.

I fear and as you might have guessed by now, these people are not interested in facts, their prejudices and their racism blinds them. They care not for justice but only for presenteing India as a peaceful country

These people are 'deaf, dumb and blind' for they hear not the cries of their victims, speak not agaisnt injustice, and are blind to the plights of victims of their violence and prejudices.

The tragedy is most of these people are old enough to know better. They are a lot older than you and me as you might have guessed from the style of their writings and their prejudices.

They must have passed on these prejudices to their children and grand children. I fear for the region.

 

STRIVER

10:59 AM ET

July 21, 2011

TunnelVision

Which fools paradise have you sprung from. Get back in there and go back to sleep. Stop boring us with your garbage.

Call this anlaysis. You've just wasted precious time you could have spent sleeping.

 

STRIVER

7:18 AM ET

July 21, 2011

YHWH. Shalom to you too sir !!

You say: The problem is with legislation.

I say: Problem is not with the legislation but the way it is used and the purpose behind it. A good legislation can be abused by rogue elements in society to persecute minorities but you don't need legislation for it.You do not need blashemy laws for that. Atrocities of RSS agaisnt Msulims Christians and Sikhs prove my point. I am sure you are well aware of their atrocities.

You are aware I guess that:

RSS believes that only Hindus should reside within India, the minorities should either come into the Hindu fold or be wiped out. The organisation wish to create a Hindu Super State of Hindutva, Hindu, Hindi and Hindustan. There is no place for minorities.

The RSS have actively been trying to distort and destroy Sikh history and practises by modifying the history and books.

I am not agaisnt blashmey laws. But they need to be strong so that no one can abuse them. If there are blasphemy laws for Msulims In Pakistan than Paksitani Christians amd Hindus must also be protected. Despite these blahemy laws minorities have a much more peaceful existence in Pakistan than those in India.

Showreing of petals is not a symbol of extremism. One group group which supports the law is showing its appreciation. They have a right to support it. Just as you have a right to support laws that are used to persecute Muslim minorites like 'Terrorism Acts' springing up everywhere after 9/11. These are not blaephemy laws but are abused nonetheless and Msulim minorites are at the receiving end of it.

You say: You are not ready to believe Kashmiri Pandits were driven out of Kashmir. The Chabad House was not attacked by LET.

I say: There is no evidence to support your claim but there is a lot of evidence of Indian government enouraging the Pundits to move. Similarly there is evidence that LET attacked ChabadHouse.

Yu say: These are the facts, you can deny these facts at your own loss.
If you are denying it, there is no point in debate

I say: I do not take 'facts' at their face value. I do not readily accept 'facts' presneted in (any) media.
So if I don't agree with you there is no point in holding debate. Well sir what kind of logic is that? If I agree with on all yur 'facts' there is nothing left to debate about, any person with a bit of balanced mind will agree with me.

You say: The Durand Line is a temporary line and it doesn't even exist. This is pretty hilarious.

I say: thisis slight distortion of what I said. Not your fault ut lets just say 'lost in translation'. Durand Line should be removed altogether. Paksitan and Afghanmistan are conjoined twins. They are located so strategically that together if they concentrate on their economies without borders (Pakistani currency is used inseveral parts of Afghanistan) they can become the hub of international trade. That is a theory for now but will be put into practice in good time. It is inevitable.

You say: You are not a failure unless you blame some one for your loss. Pakistan is blaming India for it being a failed state

I say: This is another figment of your imagniation. No one and no one blames India for the state paksitan is in. India has got the capability. And no Paksitan is not a failed state. Just becasue west says it you believe it.

Your tunnel vision is your loss sir.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

9:44 AM ET

July 21, 2011

Pakistani Rulers have created Mess for the World

The sad reality is that Pakistan, due to chain actions by galaxy of illiterate rulers have been turned in to a problem for the world at large.

Making an important remark at the end of his book, Who Killed Daniel Pearl?, the French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy expressed this terrifying conclusion: “I assert that Pakistan is the biggest rogue of all the rogue states today. I assert that what is taking form there, between Islamabad and Karachi, is a black hole compared to which Saddam Hussein’s Baghdad was an obsolete dump.”

Pakistan has earned distinction of being a unique country, since its birth pursuing amazing adherence to self destructive goals and objectives. Instead of working for the betterment of its people and peaceful coexistence, it pumped its scares resources to gobble up Kashmir along with activation of so called concept of strategic depth in Central Asia and beyond.

Let us try to go over the defining historical events in Kashmir, to judge the validity and fairness of convenient Kashmir harangue , their world view and vision or lack of it.

In August 1947, like other princely states, Kashmir also had the choice to accede to its preferred dominion - India or Pakistan, taking into account factors such as geographical contiguity and the wishes of their people.

The King of Kashmir delayed his decision, attempting to remain independent.

In their very first major foreign policy decision, the rulers of Pakistan decided to attack and take Kashmir by force. The Pakistani soldiers in the guise of tribal Pathans and mercenaries entered Kashmir on 20th October 1947.

When invaders reached outskirts of the capital Srinagar, the Maharaja had to ask India for help and finally joined India on 26th October 1947.

The agreement which acceded Jammu and Kashmir to India was signed by the Maharaja and Lord Mountbatten of Burma. The Jammu & Kashmir National Conference volunteers worked shoulder-to-shoulder with the Indian Army to drive out the invaders.

Pundit Nehru’s deep faith in effectiveness of UN, forced him to seek help of the international body in no way diluted the facts of Kashmir being part of India.

Pakistan never retreated from the forcibly occupied area, the basic precondition of the plebiscite, which could never be held. While article 370 forbids any one to buy property in Kashmir, Pakistan changed the demography of the part under its occupation, rendering possibility of a plebiscite remote.

After 1989 departure of the Russians from Afghanistan, the Pakistan army/ISI decided to push the battle hardened Jihadists in to Kashmir. That led to sharp revival of separatist forces and religious fanaticism.

Till 2001 terrorist groups in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) have killed more than 30,000 civilians and 6000 defense personnel. The political parties have not been spared either. The National Conference has lost 205 members, Congress 49, Janta Dal 10, BJP 9, CPI (M) 5 and the Awami League 5. More than 350,000 pundits have been rendered homeless, forcing them to live as refugees in their own country. The terrorists have attacked 45 security forces’ establishments in the last year. Between 1990 and 2000, the security forces have recovered 20,365 AK rifles, 8,825 pistols, 959 UMGs, 308 sniper rifles, 615 rocket launchers, 1,687 rocket boosters, 75 LMGs, 757 assorted weapons and 25,000 kg of RDX.

The rulers of Pakistan have never shied away from their gleeful acceptance of providing support to so called Kashmir freedom fighter.He never mentioned the well-known facts that Pakistan has attacked Kashmir in 1947 which eventually ceded of India, along with further attacks in 1965, 1971 and 1999.

It might have also meant little to many that Pakistan for long, has brazenly given safe sanctuary and ample resources of dozens of terrorists, hate preachers, war lords, drug lords, plane hijackers, criminals, smugglers and killers.

Obviously the teeming masters of factoids, would care about these facts, before twisting facts to blatant sensationalism, deceit to promote stupid self destructive adventurism of Pakistani Army and ISI.

Instead of accepting and learning from past mistakes, even the educated Pakistanis laps in to gleefully quoting variety of Indian problems, which are not unique and common to the region and beyond.
Certainly a country and its society steeped in helpless regressive religious obscurantism insularity and hate for its neighbors along with love of violence can not respond in different way.

The expose of Gulam Fai in USA, is only another example of how Pakistan is only ruled by its Army and sinister ISI, while civil;ion rulers are just card board cut outs to dupe the world.

India is having multiple of problems, but their influence do not reach over borders and stage killing, bomb blasts and attack in Karachi or else where.

How well Pakistan has been able to govern itself, is open for the world to see and react along with its teeming terrorists, wide spread terrorist infrastructure and safe heaven for criminals of the world.

Faced with evidences of terrors plans emanating from with in Pakistanis, jump in to quoting Indian RAW and its sinister plans along with few names.

However they have never been able to prove anything yet, though counter actions and plan from India must have been there and why not?

Talking of spies, even USA and UK have spies in other country for various covert and overt operations.

In spite of the problems India is going ahead, while Pakistan is sadly descending to more conflicts, mayhem, destruction, fanaticism and obscurantism.

Wise Pakistanis must devote their time and other resources to solve the problems with in, instead of lecturing Indians about the issues and complexities they no nothing about.

 

STRIVER

11:01 AM ET

July 21, 2011

TunnelVision

Get back back into that gutter and go back to sleep.

Call this analysis. You have just wasted precious time when you could spent it sleeping. Do't bore us with your garbage.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

11:23 AM ET

July 22, 2011

Reality Bites Those Who Love Delusions

Striver,
Name calling, twisting and Delusions wont hide the grave realities.

I have been reading what you term "Analysis".

It would be better if you could throw light on how Pakistan was right in attacking Kashmir and has allowed it self to reach present unenviable hell hole of fanaticism, and exporters of terror?

Indian has plethora of problems, but these have never endangered the life of ordinary Pakistani in Karachi and elsewhere in Pakistan.

Sadly the unending chain of Bad Leadership in Pakistan has almost destroyed the country for lunatic national goals and objectives.

Do not believe what Indian and American say and do, but at least read what your own Ambassador to USA Haqqani has written in him book, "Pakistan:Between Mullah and Military"

"Hostilities between Pakistan and India will continue, in Pakistan it serves as an important element of National Identification."

 

STRIVER

10:53 AM ET

July 21, 2011

YHWH

You do it everytime. You see things that are not there. Sign of old age perhaps? (JOKE)

Never extolled any kind of extremism. But you seem to to assent tacitly in Hindu extremism as a form of lesser evil. Reading between the lines.

The Durand Line does not exist for the Pukhtuns. There are blood relations on either side of the Line which is transgeressed daily. Its like crossing the road to the other.

Sooner rather later the Durand Line will be removed. Indians do not like this but that is there problem and long may they live with that.

Why should I not bring in the Indian angle. Indians are possessed with Pakistan as the forum here and other that I have been on prove. Indian have a love-hate relationship with Paskitan. They love to talk about its ills but hate to talk about its many strengths.

Pakistanis too have an obsession but it is a healthy obsession. They are obssessed with self-criticism to their own detriment.

Indians need to do a lot introspection and self-criticism too. They cannot becasue they are too obssessed with finding faults with Pakistan. Your own faults are slapping you on your face. Yet you choose to ignore them. In this context there is no fool greater than an Indian fool.

I wish I could show the chart here but India is the largest recipient of aid (DFID2009). Indians are in Denial.

Paksitan is 6th down the list. We don't deny our shortcomings.

Here is something else Indians will deny. Indian received in 2011 financial massive aid for education.Britain will spend over $1.5 billion during the next three years in aid to Shining India, a nuclear-armed power that sent a spacecraft to the moon recently, to lift "hundreds of millions of people" out of poverty, the British secretary of state for international development said last November, according to the Guardian newspaper.

ALL I want is you people to be HONEST AND ADMIT YOUR SHORTCOMINGS. It might hurt to be honest initially but then you will get used to it.

BE AN HONEST INDIAN. ADMIT YOUR FAULTS.

 

SREEKANTH

11:10 AM ET

July 21, 2011

>>>Sooner rather later the

>>>Sooner rather later the Durand Line will be removed.

Be careful what you wish for. One of the trial balloons floating around related to the US withdrawal from Af is to partition the country into the Pashtun south and non-Pashtun (Tajik etc) north. In which case, the logical next step will be for the Pashtun areas of Pak to join with their Afghan brothers and form the long sought after Pashtunistan. There is no logical reason for Peshawar to be part of Pak.

 

STRIVER

5:02 PM ET

July 21, 2011

SRIKANTH.

There is no logical reason for Peshawar to be part of Pak?

There is every reason for Paksitan and Afghanistan to join together. Their strategic location demands it.

If you had read my post, I said that the PUSHTUNS do not have an issue with Durand Line. on either side of they ahve blood realtions. PUSHTUNS are in the majority and have alwasy ruled Afghanistan.

Here's something for you to thinks about and I mean it with all due respect. My Indian friends (and I have some realtives in India too) are a toltally different breed to those that come on the net. Of those Indians that come on the net majority are so anti-Pakistan.

My QUESTION IS THIS: DO INDIANHINDUS HAVE AN EXTRA CELL, HATE-PAKSITAN CELL, IN THEIR BRAINS?

 

AZHAR ASLAM

5:21 PM ET

July 21, 2011

Dear Sirs of Bharat origin / affiliation / in love with

Wise Pakistanis are doing that... devoting their time and resources to solve the problems in Pakistan... but at the same time they have to come out and defend themselves when malicious lies are spread around by prejudiced little minds like summit ganguly and the little gang of his poodles ...

And what is wrong with removal of Durand line.. it will simple restore the historical and geographical reality ......

Only ignorant and bigots wish disintegration of Pakistan ... and they have been wanting it for more than half a century... being consumed by their own hatred of Pakistan

Perhaps this forum should only be used for analysing what has been written ..... mr ganguly is worried about ‘that a resurgent Taliban may actually help broker a peace agreement between the Pakistani regime and Pakistani domestic terrorist groups like Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan. That, they argue, could redirect the collective wrath of various jihadi organizations from internecine conflict’....

Some Freudian slip LOL

 

VISIONTUNNEL

5:17 AM ET

July 23, 2011

Please open up and be brave to accept the realities

Dear Mr. Aslam,

What ever you have written does not surprise any one, neither the tone and nor the contents, being part of an age old cast iron narrative.

It is a fallacy and garbage pumped by Pakistani Army and its paid affiliates to keep the hatred of India alive with in Pakistan.

Believe me Indians have so many others businesses and occupations as normal people than to hate and plan against Pakistan.

BTW how many times India or India based terrorists have attacked Pakistani Parliament, killed people in Karachi and have sheltered Pakistani criminals and terrorists?

I will advise you and others to read the article in WSJ by Aatish Taseer, estranged son of late Salman Tasser and Indian Journalist Tavleen Singh.

"Why My Father Hated India"

But do I already know about your angry retorts?

If I do, than its a matter of further sadness, which perhaps would not be understood.

Regards

 

BASHY QURAISHY

7:44 PM ET

July 21, 2011

VISIONTUNNEL in his comments

VISIONTUNNEL in his comments first says: " Pakistani Rulers have created Mess for the World” and then quotes French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy who expressed this terrifying conclusion: “I assert that Pakistan is the biggest rogue of all the rogue states today. I assert that what is taking form there, between Islamabad and Karachi, is a black hole compared to which Saddam Hussein’s Baghdad was an obsolete dump.”
Would it not be interesting that this commentator tells the readers, which world is he/she referring to? As far as I know, there are nearly 200 countries in the world and Pakistan has excellent relations with all of them except, India, Israel and USA? The second question, one can ask this person of Tunnel Vision is, what problem, you are referring, which Pakistan has made for this imaginary world. Please explain otherwise your argument is nothing but an extension of silly anti-Pakistan propaganda. Debates should be with facts and not pocket philosophy.

As far as Bernard –Henri Levi is concerned; he is one of the biggest anti-Islam intellectuals in the West as well a lackey of USA policy in the Middle East. Because of his close ties to Israeli lobby in USA congress and close relations with President Sarkozy, he is able to say horrible things, which no other western intellectuals does. Read his speeches at fund raising in USA and debates with Tariq Ramadan and you would see, what I mean.

The real reason for his tirade against Pakistan is that Pakistan is the only Muslim country in the World, which is a nuclear power and would be great support for China in the case of Israel-India and USA encirclement designs. It is not a secret that there is a strong Israeli/Indian lobby in the West, which would like nothing, more than disarm Pakistan’s nuclear assets so that the Muslim world is totally defenceless and easy to exploit.

When it comes to Kashmir, Tunnel Vision seems to be either ignorant of the history or he has read too many Indian school textbooks. The main factor of Hindustan’s division was the wish of people first and foremost and not the will of its rulers. The Maharaja of Hari Singh of Kasmir did not consult his people, majority of whom wanted to join Pakistan and under pressure from Nehru – who was a Kashmiri Brahman – illegally delayed the decision and then joined Hindustan.

However when Osman Ali Khan, Asaf Jah VII, 10th Nizam of Hyderabad Deccan wanted to join Pakistan, the state was forcibly annexed by Hindustani armed forces on 17 September 1948. Nawab Mohammad Mahabat Khanji III of Junagadh, a princely state located on the south-western end of Gujarat also chose to accede to Pakistan but Hindustan refused to accept the Nawab's choice of accession and took over the country anyway.

So dear Tunnel Vision, I hope that you have learned a lesson from my history teaching that Hindustan has always practiced double morals and hegemony. It is this arrogant mindset, Pakistanis dislike, otherwise Pakistani and Indian people are perfectly capable of being friends and even brothers and sisters.
I for one believe in it.
Kind regards

 

VISIONTUNNEL

1:53 PM ET

July 22, 2011

Dont Beleive Levi but read what Hussain Haqqni has written

Mr. Qurasihy,
Perhaps you must know your history better before hiding behind blatant subterfuge and amazing connecters.

You are entitle to judge people merely because of religion, in case of Levi, a Jew but how about Hussain Haqqani, the present ambassador of Pakistan to USA?

After all he is a Muslim and a Pakistani, so at least believe him and what he wrote has been detailed at FP.

Hussain Haqqni wrote, "Hostilities between Pakistan and India will continue, in Pakistan it serves as an important element of national identification."

In his book, Pakistan:Between Mullah and Military, he has detailed the serious problems Pakistani Military, Mullah and tactic support of civilian leadership to create problems for India and bleed it by terror strikes in Kashmir and elsewhere along with growth of religious fanaticism and obscurantism, which has severely limited its growth as viable nation.

About the much gloated nuclear arms are about to be acquired by terrorists or will be gifted by Jihadi elements with in Pakistani army, if not already done.

Stay with Kashmir and tell us how and why it was necessary to attack it in 1947, than again in 1965, a foolish adventure pushed by the than Hawkish Foreign Minister of Pakistan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, a civilian leader? The same murderous adventure was repeated in 1999 by Parvez Musharraf, with out even informing the civilian government, though it would have a mere formality.

So please do not assume and cast aspiration on others, because they have different view of history, what has been taught through severely twisted Pakistani curriculum after Zia Ul Haq and ZA Bhutto. These facts have been repeatedly brought out by even Pakistani scholars, commentators and writers.

At least they are Muslims and Pakistanis, so believe them.

 

DUKEOFLANCASTERVI

1:32 PM ET

July 24, 2011

Pakistani atrocities

I find it rich that there aee Pakistan0supporters on here asking Indians

to justify these "atrocities towards Muslims". Without downplaying the Gujarat pogroms, I have one

question...soldiers from which country massacred more than 300,000 Bangladeshi Muslims in 1971? The answer is Pakistan. Pakistan has slaughtered more Muslims than the so-called "HIndustan". The fact that some commentators here refuse to refer to India as "India" but Hindustan instead obviously proves the radicalised, angry mindset of the anti-India brigade.
By focusing on a few isolated incidents, there is a sustained campaign to de-legitimise India's secularism. Are you people aware that India's government pays Indian Muslims to go on Hajj? This is one of many concessions given, including the use of "Islamic law". No civilised country allows its Muslim minority to use its own (Islamic) law. But India does, because of its overtly pro-diversity ethic. WHy did India try to join the OIS, which is basically a bunch of autocrats and holocaust deniers? In order to make its Muslims feel more at home.

After all this, Pakistanis still feel like they speak for India's Muslims. Well, you don't. You can't even take care of your own Muslims...you've gone out of your way to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims and openly massacred and de-legitimised their faith. So what if they worship some other prophet? For God's sake, show some compassion! Hinduism has millions of ways to worship, and each new method is accepted. Why? Because we don't want to get into an argument, we just want to accept eachother.

There can be exceptions to this, but the Central Government does not take part in it. Here is the biggest difference - Pakistan's Central Government aids and abets these terrorists and fanatics using textbooks in school, guns and funds. India's central government just tries to keep the peace and does not force a religion on anyone. Please stop calling it Hindustan to make a point...you just look foolish and NOBODY, I mean NOBODY believes you. FInally, stop asking for the plebiscite on Kashmir. Why don't you have one in Baluchistan first? Let's see what they decide.

 

DUKEOFLANCASTERVI

3:03 PM ET

July 24, 2011

Pakistan and its viewpoint

BASHY QURAISHY - you say Pakistan has excellent relations with everyone except India, US and Israel (oh, look a that...the usual countries you try to blame

for all your problems! How neat...). Let me disabuse you of this notion. Afghanistan's leaders HATE Pakistan...they consider it to be the biggest obstacle to

peace. They know that as long as the terrorists can run away to thrive in Pakistan (like Dawood Ibrahim, the late OBL, etc), they will never be beaten. Plus,

while India builds roads, power stations and trains Civil Servants, Pakistan funds mullahs, terrorists and warring factions (Pakistan's support for the

Taliban is well known...India supported the Soviets because they were better than the Taliban...most people would agree fully with that).

Then there's Iran - a recent terrorist attack there was planned in Pakistan, atleast according to the Iranians. Whether it's true or not (let me

guess...Israel/India/US made them say that?), they do NOT like Pakistan. Tajikistan & Bangladesh dislike Pakistan for various reasons too (look it up). So in

Pakistan's immediate neighbourhood, only China, a brutal (if reforming) Communist dictatorship with a very poor human rights record and "unfree" press AND

widely assumed to be stealing intellectual property over decades...is Pakistan's friend. Guess what...they're only your friend because they want to use you

against India. Which is fine by Pakistan, I know...some "radical" Pakistanis would destroy the whole of Pakistan if it means destroying India as well. But

unlike the friendship between, say the Anglo world, this friendship is built purely on strategic considerations. What that means is that the second Pakistan

becomes less useful, China will stop giving it money and guns (that seems to be Pakistan's preferred currency of friendship, vis-a-vis US).

You also state that there is encirclement of Pakistan and the West would like nothing that to take away the Muslim world's only nukes. Well, in all honesty, as the country with the worst proliferation record (AK Khan), are you surprised nobody wants Pakistan to have nuclear weapons? It's all very well training terrorists and what have you, but helping other countries build nuclear weapons...you can't go much lower than that. If Pakistan is the one setting the example for Muslim Nuclear states, then I'm not surprised the West doesn't want any more Muslim Nuclear states.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

1:26 AM ET

July 25, 2011

Pakistani Army/ISI Spooks want Afghanistan as their Colony

It amazing to see some people shamelessly babble that Pakistan will not allow things to go on thee as the Afghans want and desire!

They even forget that it was primarily Pakistani Army/ISI stooge who are responsible for consequence of violence after 1989 departure of Russians.

Abdullah Azzam, the then amir of Jihad, wanted to the fighters to go back and he wanted to go back to Palestine.

That was not accepted to ISI their stooges along with Osama Bin Laden and Jawahri, as they wanted to expand the Jihad and strike at west.

Abdullah Azzam was assassinated in Peshawar by a bomb blast. There were many who might have wanted him dead, but it happened in Pakistan, and many believe it was done by ISI, or by others with its tactic approval.

After departure of Russians from Afghanistan, battle hardened-dehumanized Jihadis were pressed in to Kashmir to foment violence there along with explosion of separatism by supporting and funding Kashmir fanatics like .Geelani, a well known Pakistani stooge and others.

How attempts were made to influence the political opinions and actions by ISI front man in USA, Gulam Fai has come out in open recently.

But at the same time a disease can not cured if the patient is not even ready for a free and fair diagnosis,

Why Pakistani rulers and opinion makers act as they do, has been analyzed and described by Aateesh Taseer, the estranged son of assassinated governor of Punjab, late Mr. Salmaan Taseer.

His article has been published in Wall Street Journal, titled-

"Why My Father Hated India"

Whose who babble on internet that Indians have nothing else to do must read this article.

But the teeming delusional Jingoists are not known to accept facts and realities, as they love to they live in their own private world of million bad dreams, inhabited by dark shadows of well known foreign enemies.

 

CRIACAOSITES

1:28 PM ET

July 25, 2011

 

SOCIALENGINEERING

4:26 PM ET

August 9, 2011

India would make a much better ally than Pakistan

Pakistan has been a bad ally of the US for at least the last ten years helping the Taliban and even hiding Bin Laden. At last Pakistan is being made to face the music over this. Also continuing acts of friendship to India that began under Clinton has heralded a new eras of security co-operation with India.

Recent events like the signing of the cyber agreement last month are ample evidence of that. Getting closer to India also helps us put pressure on Pakistan. Even Republicans are singing Hilary Clinton's praises for her work here and they are spot on.

 

LUPE IGLEHART

10:27 PM ET

August 11, 2011

Afghanistan Is Now India's Problem

In my point of view, Pakistan's other major interest is to promote a friendly regime in Kabul. This is hardly as simple as it sounds.
Afghans are famously proud and prickly about their independence,
and some are still not fully reconciled to Pakistani rule over some 30 million Pashtuns across the border. In fact, Afghanistan has never recognized that border along the Durand Line, drawn by the British raj in 1893 to mark the limits of Afghan rule.

BEST REGARDS:jada fire