Less Is More

Cutting U.S. military aid to Pakistan might be just what the world's most frustrating alliance needs.

BY JAMES TRAUB | JULY 22, 2011

Let us grant the Obama administration, and the late special representative, at least some of this credit. But first the Raymond Davis affair, in which a CIA contractor shot and killed two Pakistanis, and then the raid on Abbottabad put an end to this brief era of semi-comity. Or maybe those were just accidents waiting to happen: A more plausible hypothesis is that no substantive relationship between two countries whose fundamental interests are so deeply in conflict could have survived for long. One side -- the United States -- believes that the enemy is violent extremists; the other side believes that the enemy is India, and the United States itself. Even Nasr concedes that "the strategic partnership has been scuttled." We are back in the grudging world of the transactional relationship; I recently heard a senior American diplomat say that Holbrooke had been far too optimistic about progress with Pakistan.

So where do we go from here? The transactional response is: The United States can still get what it needs from Pakistan -- tacit permission to launch drone strikes, as well as the use of the Khyber Pass to transport supplies into Afghanistan. There will be more crises, and more emergency diplomatic interventions, and more Pakistani hyperventilation about violations of national sovereignty. We're the grown-ups here; we can live with it. America may wish that it could do without Pakistan, but it can't. So keep the military and civilian funds flowing.

To which I would say, "Yes, but." The U.S. role in Pakistan plays into, and amplifies, the country's gross pathologies, and it always has. For 60 years, Pakistan's leaders have offered themselves to the West as a bulwark against encroaching evil -- first the Soviet Union, now terrorism. They have, as the scholar Stephen Cohen has put it, held a gun to their own heads. And the United States has bought the argument, with an intermission or two, underwriting a national security state in which the generals allow civilians to pretend to rule, and the civilians prove so feckless as to justify ongoing military control. And all the while, the country's hinterland remains firmly in the grip of feudal landlords, who dominate politics as well.

The Bush administration made no effort to help Pakistan confront its underlying problems; the Obama administration, through the strategic partnership and the $1.5 billion a year made available by the Kerry-Lugar-Berman bill, has. But it won't help. Pakistan's civilian government has resisted calls for reform as effectively as the security apparatus has, despite threats by the International Monetary Fund to withhold loans if the country doesn't begin to collect taxes from more than 2 percent of the population, as it does now. Civilian assistance won't serve as a lever for reform, won't make Pakistanis like America more, and won't make them more compliant on security issues -- which is why the current legislation to tie aid to progress on security is more an expression of pique than a rational strategy.

I don't think the United States should end the civilian program, if only because doing so would empower the most anti-American elements -- though I do think that, as a recent report by the Center for Global Development proposes, the United States can do Pakistan far more good by opening its markets to Pakistani products than we can by sending aid. If anything, I would take the opposite view from the transactionalists: More engagement with civilians, less with the military and intelligence apparatus. Let's stop fighting over visas for U.S. Special Forces and intelligence agents. Let's quietly, without pique, reduce transfer payments to the Pakistani military. Let's put an end to the Pakistani psychodrama over sovereignty and American neocolonialism. Will the military respond by demanding an end to the drone strikes? I hope not; but it could loose that sword of Damocles whether or not the United States reduces military support. And Pakistan's leaders may be happier to see the United States kill the Taliban by remote control than they're prepared to publicly admit.

If we have learned anything over the last decade, it is that the United States has far less power to shape good outcomes in troubled places than we thought. On the contrary: The looming U.S. presence offers itself to autocrats and military leaders as a perfect distraction from painful home truths. The Pakistanis must save themselves, as people in the Arab world are now trying to do. If the country is ever to have its own revolutionary moment, America can help best by getting out of the way.

ASIF HASSAN/AFP/Getty Images

 

James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and author of, most recently, The Freedom Agenda. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

VISIONTUNNEL

12:50 AM ET

July 23, 2011

American Should Have Done Better Than What They Did

Americans Administration, their jet hopping smart advisers, centers of focused learning, universities and plethora of think tanks have been teeming with every kind of experts and unheard of breed of exotic consultants.

But they have failed and failed miserably along with loss of peace, lives, exploding conflicts and destruction, around the world.

Russians were utterly foolish to venture in to Afghanistan to prop up a stooge Marxist government, with out realizing the facts that no predominantly Muslim country had ever gone for the godless communism.

They were dreaming for the impossible and were bound to fail sooner and later.

Beyond that, the Americans and westerners must have known that the inorganic, inhuman and dysfunctional prisons of communism would not last a century.

How could they be convinced that Communism will be a danger forever and have strengths and abilities to change the human beings fundamentally?

Three countries with their own brand of myopia and compulsions are responsible for present mess.

Americans for their knee jerk response to confront the sinister Russians towards their intended journey and access to warm waters of Arabian sea.
The use of deep religiosity of Muslims, their so far dormant regressive ethos to fight godless communist was and will remain one of the worst ever decisions made by the people, who were expected to know better than that easy but eventually dangerous and self destructive path.

Former Movie star and US President Reagan, went on to extol the concept, virtues and power of Jihad and lamented its sad absence in Christianity. But some highly paid hack with expertise in oriental history and conjectures must have written his speech!

But Americans come out as looser in the game, they primarily initiated.

Only winners are the filthy rich despots, Sultans and Shaikhs of Saudi Arabia, who were canny enough to pack their bunch of growing Muslim fanatics to the rugged mountains of Afghanistan and keep them busy and get killed there. They used the god sent opportunity to pump billions of oil dollars to spread fanatic strain of highly regressive ethos and ideals of Islam in Pakistan and elsewhere in the world.

Pakistan is the other looser, but the Rulers were jumping like happy kids at windfall of tons of green bills and military hardware pouring down on them.

Zia Ul Hq, the fanatic Muslim dictator welcomed the arms, money and teeming Jihadis from across the world. He and others before him already had a blue print ready to realize long held dreams of making Pakistan more important Muslim than the Arabs along with possibility of expansionist plan to get Kashmir and forays in central Asia with in reach.

The utterly devastated country, Afghanistan never had a say in these matters.

The compelling circumstances and dogged actors next door, would try to make make sure, that never happens, even in the future.

 

KASEMAN

10:54 AM ET

July 25, 2011

usual crass ignorance

Like all other faux experts, Traub knows very little about Pakistan and Afghantisan. What he does know is toxic.

Neither is a notion, as say Egypt or Poland. They are multinational states, with boundaries imposed by 3 Brits and one Rus. These nation are huge: Punjabis 90 million , Pushtoon 45 million. The former constitute 75% of the Pakistani Army, the latter straddle the unrecognized border called the Durand Line and call the shots on all matters involving their lands. #1 priority being throw out any uninvited foreigners, Muslim or Christian. And any intruders is expelled with utmost force. As both the Americans and Punjabis have found out. The Talebs, drawn from very few tribes, number at most 30,000 and out match the much vaunted NATO.

So what? Pushtoon dynamics are central to this war. They determine the agenda. The Punjabis have a very different and permanent relationship with their Pushtoon neighbors, wheras the US has very short term and aggressive, creating more Talebs every time a drone kills non Taleb Pushtoons, which happens 50% of the time, thereby creating more Talebs.

The US military is led by the most incompetent white men in uniform. Why after 9 years the Talebs still have the upper hand? Its response: its all the fault of Pakistan!

This war could have been solved years ago had the US given generous civilian aid to Afghanistan especially the Pushtoon on both side of the Durand Line. . Moor than it gives to Israel. After all, it was the Afghans who defeated the Red Army, not Reagan, CIA, Charley Wislon or NATO. No Red Army, no power to sustain the Soviet empire so freedom for the East European Christians. And was the West grateful? Get lost. Instead gave many billion$ to the Rus!

Al Qaeda? At peak pre 9/11 it numbered less than 1000. That did not warrant the scale of the neocons' response to 9/11. Now we have a debt of $3-5 trillion, a sorry economy, loss of friends and influence all over the world. And a military that has shown itself to be incompetent; 100% thuggery and 0% brains

 

VISIONTUNNEL

1:53 PM ET

July 25, 2011

Murder of Abdullah Azzam: ISI Agenda in Kashmir and Afghanistan

Dear Kaseman,

May be the double game and audacious deceit of ISI, was not fully exposed, till OBL was found and Killed in Abottabad.

There was an important development after departure of Russian.

Abdullah Azzam, the Amir of Jihad wanted the fighters to go home, but Taliban, OBL and Jahwahiri wanted to continue and initiate the next phase of Jihad. ISI spooks were also interested that fighters stay, so they could use them; plunge some in to Kashmir and rest to complete the hold over Afghanistan.

The Matrix was further complicated by emergence of various interest groups and teeming war lords sitting of huge stockpile of arms and ammunition, along with bunch of fighters, who knew thing else.

ISI was instrumental in creating and nurturing of most of these violent actors, who did not want to leave the stage. Foes and Friends were indistinguishable, money and power drove them in to more violence.

ISI spooks and Pakistani Army Generals, just loved the game and went on playing with all twists and duplicity.

The prime drivers were Dollars, Islam and Much Desired Realization of Expansionist Dreams.

And they are still playing the game of death and destruction.

They just love the game..

Americans though they were dealing with a normal country, caught in deep mess.

But they were wrong and are still wrong.

They could never imagine Pakistani Army loves deep Mess, it gives them immense power and twisted prestige.

 

MARTY MARTEL

3:40 AM ET

July 23, 2011

Traub ignores history- only solution is bombing Pak to stone age

Obviously Mr. Traub wants to ignore the history specifically of this Afghan war and ASSUMES that ‘asking less and giving less’ would solve America’s problems with Pakistan. He is grossly wrong on both counts.

It is not as if US did not know about how Afghanistan came to be ruled by Taliban/Pakistan before 9/11.

Declassified DIA Washington D.C., "IIR (intelligence Information Report) Pakistan Involvement in Afghanistan," dated November 7, 1996 states how "Pakistan's ISI is heavily involved in Afghanistan," and also details different roles various ISI officers play in Afghanistan. Stating that Pakistan uses sizable numbers of its Pashtun-based Frontier Corps in Taliban-run operations in Afghanistan, the document clarifies that, "these Frontier Corps elements are utilized in command and control; training; and when necessary combat“.

Declassified U.S. Department of State, Cable "Pakistan Support for Taliban" from Islamabad dated Sept. 26, 2000 states that "while Pakistani support for the Taliban has been long-standing, the magnitude of recent support is unprecedented." In response Washington orders the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad to immediately confront Pakistani officials on the issue and to advise Islamabad that the U.S. has "seen reports that Pakistan is providing the Taliban with materiel, fuel, funding, technical assistance and military advisors. [The Department] also understand[s] that large numbers of Pakistani nationals have recently moved into Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban, apparently with the tacit acquiescence of the Pakistani government." Additional reports indicate that direct Pakistani involvement in Taliban military operations has increased.

Sandy Berger, Clinton’s national security advisor told 9/11 Commission in 2004, Pakistani Army was the midwife of Taliban. UN report on Bhutto killing released on 4/15/10 confirmed this fact when it noted that "The PAKISTANI MILITARY ORGANIZED AND SUPPORTED THE TALIBAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF AFGHANISTAN IN 1996“. So in a way, Pakistani government was in charge of Afghanistan when 9/11 attacks were carried out and hence Pakistani government was responsible for those attacks.

With an ally like Pakistan, US Afghan war was doomed from the beginning.

The seeds of the ‘current Afghan tragedy’ were sowed in Washington when Bush administration decided to allow Musharraf to spirit away by airlift hundreds, if not thousands, of Taliban operatives cornered by the advancing Northern Alliance in Kunduz in November, 2001. Pakistan relocated those Taliban cadres including Mullah Mohammed Omar in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan (now relocated to Karachi by Pakistani ISI to protect them from possible US drone attacks) and Haqqani network (HQN) in North Waziristan from where Mullah Omar’s QST and Haqqani’s HQN have been planning raids in Afghanistan ever since.

Duplicitous Pakistan has poor U. S. over the barrel of a gun. US can NOT use its aid leverage to force Pakistan to stop supporting terrorist groups who kill US/NATO troops in Afghanistan day in and day out because US needs Pakistan’s help in ferrying supplies to those very US/NATO troops.

Adm Mullen had following to say about America’s primary ally in its fight against terrorism, to the foreign news media on 1/13/2011: “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it [Pakistan] is the epicenter of terrorism in the world right now. It is absolutely critical that the safe havens in Pakistan get shut down. We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without that. It’s not just Haqqani Network anymore, or Al Qaeda or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan), the Afghan Taliban, or LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyeba), it’s all of them working together.”

And previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

However US has been deliberately ignoring Taliban’s Pakistani connections in fueling and sustaining Afghan insurgency as reported by Matt Waldman in ‘The sun in the sky‘ on 6/13/2010, corroborated by WikiLeaks leaks on 7/25/2010 and then further corroborated by Chris Alexander, Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005 and Deputy Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Afghanistan from 2005 until 2009 in his article on 7/30/2010 titled ‘The huge scale of Pakistan‘s complicity‘.

American soldiers are dying in Afghanistan because of their own government’s misguided policies. For deliberately ignoring Taliban’s Pakistani connections, US deserves to be duped by Pakistan.

Richard Armitage had threatened Pakistan bombing to the ’stone age’ if Musharraf refused to join US fight against Taliban in 2001. Bombing Pakistan to the stone age was the only solution that would have worked. Now US is going to loose, a façade of peace deal will be signed and Pakistan will reimpose Taliban rule in due course in Afghanistan.

 

STRIVER

7:00 AM ET

July 23, 2011

IRRATIONAL INGRATITUDE

This article is an expressesion of US's irrational ingratitute to its ally in 'War on Terror'.

MONEY OWED to PAKISTAN: $8b to Pakistan military

FOR WHAT; For use of Pakistan's facilities.

OVERDUE: It has not been paid for over a year now.

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ECONOMIC LOSS to Pakistan of being a US ally : $43 billion between 2001 and 2010.

NOT TO MENTION: In addition, the government has had to spend up to $600 million a year on rehabilitation of internally displaced persons who were affected by the military campaigns against the Taliban.

US AID: $4.5b civil aid, $4.5b military aid to Pakistan. In addition to $8.9b paid to Pakistan military from Coalition Support Fund.

_______________________________________________

Pakistan has lost more soldiers fighting America's war than any other country in the Coalition.

35000 Pakistani civilians and civilians.

YOU WILL EXCUSE US WON'T YOU for CRYING FOUL AND for ASKING ARE OUR LIVES LESS IMPORTANT THAN YOURS?

 

STRIVER

9:28 AM ET

July 23, 2011

US is creating another monster......

..in the region. INDIA.

There is no hope for peace in the region. The US is going to leave behind a mess for Pakistan to clean up again as it did after USSR's defeat in Afghanistan.

US's current obsession with INDIA is logic-defying. But then when has logic ever entered the US foreign policy.

Any one with a balanced mind a little historical perspective of the region will know waht a bully India is.Historically, when the balance of power has tipped in favour of India it has threatened its neighbours. Invaded them. Supported terrorist groups.

The west is naive about India. Soon it will find out what a monster it has created. US will come running to Pakistan again for a joint venture against Indian terrorists.

 

ALEITHEA

11:23 PM ET

July 23, 2011

Silence please!

Striver, please shut up. You will give yourself a heart attack if you go on like this. Too much patriotism isn't a good thing - everything in moderation and all that, you know. All this striving to what end? They aren't about to make you a general for this, dear chap!

Keep quiet, there now, that's better.

 

STRIVER

9:33 AM ET

July 23, 2011

Signs of Inda's religious terrorism..

.. have surfaced already.

Mid-ranking Indian army officers supporting the fundamentalist Hindu terrorist organisation RSS attacked Muslims. Christian and Sikhs. Why? becasue they want India only for the Hindus.

DIG DEAPER AND BE PREPARED FOR A SHOCK.

 

STRIVER

9:41 AM ET

July 23, 2011

Question: Who said Hindu terror...

.. posed a bigger threat to India than the Let and AlQaida.

Answer: Rahul Gandhi.

He is spot on.

There is more lots more where this came from......the true face of India or Hindustan as call it in private.

Some of the Indian bolggers obsession leaves me with no hope for peace in the region.

These grandads aught to know better.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

8:33 AM ET

July 25, 2011

Striving for Inanities and Subterfuge

Dear Mr. Striver,

So like other knowledgeable and well meaning scholar Pakistanis, you too believe in what ever is convenient for you?

Indian politicians can say so may things for consumption, in spite the fact that the right wing fringe groups in India are very feeble.

But certainly you wont believe it.

By the way how he is on spot, and how does it affect Pakistan, where dozens of Indian fugitive, criminals are hiding under protective umbrellas of ISI?

Internal problems of India, do not result in killings and bomb blasts in Karachi. Never Pakistani parliament was planed and attacked by Indian Terrorists.

Even the argument sake, if Hindu Terror exists how it takes away the greater, world wide dangers of LET, Taliban and Al Qaeda?

Omar Shaikh and Maulana Masood Azhar were locked up in Indian jails, and released by Indian Govt in exchange of lives of passengers of IC 184.

Out of 11 passenger plane hijackings in India, 7 were engineered by ISI and their Pakistan based agents and terrorists.

Omar Shaikh later killed Danial Pearle, planned and funded 9/11 WTC attack in NY.

He was later arrested from home of high profile Pakistani Politician.

Masud Azhar, planed and executed attack on India Parliament, and still roams like a hero in Pakistan.

What to talk of him, Pakistan harbors dozens of Indian and other criminals and terrorists, as important assets to be used against India.

 

DUNCAN_LOWEE

1:46 PM ET

July 23, 2011

Bribe or Aid !

By definition i believed AID means relief or assistance ! but since the hot gossip in congress and over for most western news channels regarding to cease all AID packages to Pakistan i am wondering are we giving AID to Pakistan or bribing? I mean we give aid to Pakistan and we expect to get free tickets for CIA to kill Pakistanis on their streets, to use drones that kill over 50 people where just 1 is a terrorist and the rest is a collateral damage.

Is this AID for a country that has been fighting our war for the past 11 years as an alley or are we just bribing them to cover our weakness?
US may have won the battle but it has also lost the war.... there is no end to taliban .. no end to alqeda and still we are abandoning Afghanistan again.

Are these safe heavens just in Pakistan? then how can they expand to Yemen, Somalia and Iraq?

History repeats itself America will again abandon Afghanistan as it did before in the 80s ... and i agree with STRIVER above America has created another monster INDIA, to put an eclipse over China's regional influence! its not a good move. India is a greater disaster. it is a troubled state which has countless independence movement going on till date and no close regional allies. The extremist fractions are even more volatile which are waiting to be exploded.

We need to build trust in Pakistan and ensure that Pakistan in return trusts US to be on the same page. It will not be long until we need to use it again, which i am sure we would indeed.

God Bless America

 

HEADOFFICE

6:01 PM ET

July 23, 2011

The time has come to ask nothing of Pakistan

The time has come to ask NOTHING of Pakistan, to expect NOTHING, and to offer NOTHING.

ask nothing
US needs to learn Pakistan will do whatever is in its national interest as any other country would do. Afghanistan is Pakistan's neighbour they got to live together so Pakistan would want its influence on Afghanistan.

expect nothing
Pakistan will not and should not go against Taliban as Taliban is Pakistan's proxy army and will always help Pakistan against India especially in Kashmir. Don't be surprised US has more proxy armies than Pakistan does now as we remember Nixon saying about Taliban...."These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America's founding fathers"

offer nothings
most important bit is not to offer anything, let Pakistan be self sufficient peanuts being offered can't make any difference to world's 6th largest population anyway. What could sanctions even do to Iran? which prospering everyday, placing space shuttle, nuclear energy, self sufficient in power etc etc...Peanuts being offered to Pakistan were going in corrupt politicians mouth anyway...run a survey in Pakistan and you will find out people begging to stop begging of US and try to be self sufficient....most people will say stop killing our proxy army for dollars...which is 100% true....

BUT no one realise someone getting impatient with this end game ...whose own 40% population lives for less than a dollar a day but it spend $1.5 billion on roads in afghanistan, 4 of its states have worst living standard than of africans but promised to spend $5 billion in africa...The India

End game has started Zardari met with Saudi ambassador in Islamabad, then went to afghanistan to see Mr Karzai, then Iran with Mr Ahmedinejad and finally then went to Saudi Arabia(which is big deal being a Shia meeting Saudi's and Saudi's let him come in).....US now knows it time is over and it wasted time and money there....but couldn't get anything apart from falling economy.

 

TEAMMATE

12:30 AM ET

July 24, 2011

World need good atmosphere

Today each human living on earth need a good and healthy atmoshphere to live, so he or she can enjoy a fearless life. But we have seen many blasts, killing of innocents in the past week in Oslo and many other places of the world. We must condemn it and findout the evils who are responsible for these acts, should punish them in such a way so that in future such acts dont get repeated. samsung tablet.

 

ARTFUL AID WORKER

6:58 AM ET

July 24, 2011

Whoa!

Who put the masala in my wheeties?!

If what most of you are saying -- that Pakistani people loathe the U.S. and want them out -- then to some extent the author is advocating for a similiar, albeit tempered solution.

Ask less, expect less. Admittedly, he is also implying that the U.S. hedges. And yes, that means hedge in the form of less COIN, more CT. Less brawn, more brain.

We should not be as aggressively front-footed in places like Afghanistan, Pakistan. Clearly these are contested spaces, whether socially, economically, or politically.

IMO, Afghanistan was as much of a mistake as Iraq, and has become too big to fail.

As for India -- CHINDIA actually -- this is a nation, polity, and economy far too important to not constructively engage on.

The point someone made about IDPs and refugees is very true. We should all be helping Pakistan with this problem.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

2:45 PM ET

July 24, 2011

Pakistani Army Is Hiding, Helping Terrorsts to strike at World

As per its highly twisted agenda, Pakistani Army/ISI, the real Rulers have turned the country in to a heaven for terrorists, plane hijackers, killers, hate preachers, war and drug lords, swindlers, money launderers and other criminal to strike at India to bleed it and to have Afghanistan as its colony.

Dawwod Abrahim, the 1993 blast master mind and his cohorts are hiding and living a cushy life in Karachi. He has built a huge criminal empire along with legitimate sounding front companies in import-export and construction.

His has further strengthened his relations with in Pakistani elite by getting her daughter Mahrukh married to son of Legendary Pakistani cricketer Javed Miandad.

The hijackers of Indian Air Lines plane roam free in Pakistan and are protected and helped by ISI, the notorious spy agency, which has been called and lauded as an important Pakistani institution, by non other than the Pakistani prime minister, Yusuf Raza Gilani.

But these card board cut out, feeble politician and rich feudal land lords in Armani suits can never have courage to confront the real issues and only bned back words before army goons and lunatic mullah.

The founder of Indian Mujahidin, Riyaz Bhatkal is also hiding in Pakistan and suspected to be linked with ;latest bomb blast in Mumbai.

Instead of accepting these grave criminal acts the Delusional and Jingoists, descend on every website and turn it to a mud-fest, of ignorance, religious biases and hate India campaign

But no body is fooled and the people and world at large know the hard realities, which these tormented souls will continue to deny and get their country in deeper mess..

In stead of looking inwards,they will retorts by quoting 9 years old Gujarat riots, Maoists insurgences, poor and bad sanitary facilities of Indians along with dramatizing the dangers of right wing Hindu lunatics, who are in fact getting feeble as we read and write these lines.

Further they audaciously pose as if these and many other social-economic problems and discrimination have been totally eradicated in the pure heaven called Pakistan.

 

DUKEOFLANCASTERVI

9:19 AM ET

July 25, 2011

Pakistan's obsession

Most surveys show that even now, Pakistanis think India is a bigger threat than the Taliban. This alone shows why Pakistan is such a mess. Not realising that India doesn't care about Pakistan (other than stopping and bringing terrorists to justice) and cares more about economic development (witness how the ex-Deoband leader said that Muslims have benefited from Gujarat's economic growth)...Pakistan has been destroying itself slowly by focusing on the wrong "evil". Soon there may be nothing to protect.

Ultimately, one solution would be to hive off the Pushtun part into a larger Afghanistan. Then we'll see how the Baluchis feel (they've been staging protests for years...difference with Kashmir is that there isn't a foreign force supplying them with guns and money in return for insurgency).

As for Striver...to describe India as a "monster" is to present the most ignorant, biased view of South Asia that is possible. I won't dignify that comment further, because everybody knows that's BS.

Tell me this...which country massacred the most Muslims recently? Could it be the 300,000 to 3 million people killed in Bangladesh (the 3m number is provided by Bangladesh itself...let me guess, we made them say that?) in 1971 by...PAKISTAN? The Pakistani government put its own numb er out...a laughable 26,000. How dare Pakistan pretend to speak for Kashmir's Muslims despite being the biggest butcher of Muslims EVER? How dare Pakistanis talk about the Gujarat pogrom where 2,500 people were killed when you haven't even admitted you slaughtered around 1 million people in Bangladesh?!

 

DUKEOFLANCASTERVI

9:56 AM ET

July 25, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/0

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/asia/24isi.html?_r=1

"Several Pakistani journalists and scholars in the United States interviewed over the past week said that they were approached regularly by Pakistani officials, some of whom openly identified themselves as ISI officials. The journalists and scholars said the officials caution them against speaking out on politically delicate subjects like the indigenous insurgency in Baluchistan or accusations of human rights abuses by Pakistani soldiers. The verbal pressure is often accompanied by veiled warnings about the welfare of family members in Pakistan, they said."

 

DUKEOFLANCASTERVI

10:28 AM ET

July 25, 2011

Another interesting link

I apologise if this is not specific to the article, but...

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/6659/give-kashmir-a-chance/

 

TEAMMATE

8:33 AM ET

July 28, 2011

Good interaction

A lot of good points have enmerged herewith and I personally feel that the community as whole and US in particular should find out the solution so more people can adobt the path of non voilence. There are billions of people living below poverty line especially in Asia and Africa who don't get two times food and are living in temporary carport kits shelters and we must think abour them also. The terroist is not problems only in few parts of the world and if not settled early can definitely become a problem for many.

 

JAMES313

2:03 AM ET

July 30, 2011

USA

40% population lives for less than a dollar a day but it spend $1.5 billion on roads in afghanistan. The journalists and scholars said the officials caution them against speaking out on politically. there are already a lack of jobsin the usa.

 

SIMPLASTICS PLASTIC BINS

8:31 AM ET

August 5, 2011

USA

I think it is absolutely ridiculous that America spends $120 billion a year in aid to them. America is so far in debt, our own people are struggling, business shut down every day, and we give all this money to other countries? It doesn't make sense. Then you have to factor in the fact that these countries and their citizens absolutely hate America and the American way of life. I say first we fix our own problems here at home, then we can start helping other countries, so long as they don't use this money to fund terrorist activities.
Made in USA plastic bins

 

STANDUP

2:46 PM ET

August 11, 2011

Pressurize Pakistan via India and IMF

We owe Pakistan, the ISI & the military no favors to say the least as recent events have shown. Our strategy of giving military gift vouchers and other aid packages has failed. Time to make Pakistan face the music with a different approach.

America's natural ally is India - Pakistan's sworn enemy and a bulwark against extremism . Give them military aid and really sing their praises as our new partner in the region . A process by the way which Hilary Clinton has already started. Then there is economic pressure they are already close to an defaulting on the terms of their IMF loans

We are never going to tame Pakistan by just giving them gifts time to play hardball.

 

BEN KRYNICKI

1:55 AM ET

August 16, 2011

Less Is More

But there's another way. Less can be More. Throughout history wise people have argued that we need to live more simply - that only by limiting outer wealth can we have inner wealth.Less is More is a compelling collection of essays by people who have been writing about Simplicity for decades -including Jim Merkel, Bill McKibben, jada fire , Juliet Schor, Ernest Callenbach, John de Graaf, and more. They bring us a new vision of Less: less stuff, less work, less stress, less debt. A life with Less becomes a life of More: more time, more satisfaction, more balance, more security.When we have too much, we savor nothing. When we choose less, we regain our life and can think and feel deeply. Ultimately, a life of less connects us with one true source of happiness: being part of a caring community.Less is More shows how to turn individual change into a movement that leads to policy changes in government and corporate behavior, work hours, the wealth gap and sustainability. It will appeal to those who want to take back their lives, their planet and their well-being.

 

AXELBROOK

4:48 AM ET

August 19, 2011

Bush didn't take the advice

Bush didn't take the advice of The CIA when they warned him that AlQidea was in the US and planning to crash planes into tall buildings. rio Hid didn't take the advice of his Military advisers When they told him not to Invade Iraq, Then never took the advise of his Generals on the ground getting 1000s of our troops killed needlessly, The list is never ending, so Bush has NO Biz giving anyone any advice!.

 

STEPHANY141

4:08 AM ET

August 20, 2011

Less Is More

Cutting U.S. military aid to Pakistan might be just what the world's most frustrating alliance needs. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that America spends $120 billion a year in aid to them. America is so far in debt, our own people are struggling, business shut down every day, and we give all this money to other countries? It doesn't make sense. Then you have to factor in the fact that these countries and their citizens absolutely hate America and the American way of life. I say first we fix o plumbing services Obviously Mr. Traub wants to ignore the history specifically of this Afghan war and ASSUMES that ‘asking less and giving less’ would solve America’s problems with Pakistan. He is grossly wrong on both counts. It is not as if US did not know about how Afghanistan came to be ruled by Taliban/Pakistan before 9/11. Declassified DIA Washington D.C., "IIR (intelligence Information Report) Pakistan Invol.

 

FREESPIRIT

3:59 AM ET

August 21, 2011

India

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PETER MURRAY

2:24 AM ET

August 22, 2011

Bush

"Bush didn't take the advice of The CIA when they warned him that AlQidea was in the US and planning to crash planes into tall buildings. rio Hid didn't take the advice of his Military advisers When they told him not to Invade Iraq, Then never took the advise of his Generals on the ground getting 1000s of our troops killed needlessly, The list is never ending, so Bush has NO Biz giving anyone any advice!." The guy was an absolute disaster Simply Ibiza irish heritage magaluf

 

GUSHUNGO

3:29 PM ET

August 22, 2011

a long, long legacy

For all the things that Obama is not doing well, you still have to feel sorry for him. Bush left him such a poisoned chalice as a legacy that he could spend the entire presidency just fixing what Bush did.

This latest dilemma over Pakistan is just the most recent of many examples. I despair when I think back on the Bush years.