All Guns, No Butter

What the debt ceiling deal tells us about the Tea Party's grim vision of American power.

BY JAMES TRAUB | AUGUST 5, 2011

I have been trying, and failing, to think of a period when Americans seemed as eager as they are now to shed their global burden -- while at the same time insisting on depleting the national treasury to pay for the military. During past periods of national self-absorption, including the generation before the civil war and the decades after World War I, standing armies and military expenditures shrank or remained modest. No longer: At a moment when many Americans want to reduce the role of government at home and especially abroad, the debt deal just concluded is likely to preserve the country's hypertrophied defense budget -- at least if congressional Republicans get their way. One is left asking: What do you want to do with all that money?

Step back for a moment and think about the terms of the deal that emerged from the debt ceiling debate this week. The first installment of cuts, totaling about $900 billion, is to be achieved through across-the-board cuts to the budget, including the Pentagon; the second tranche, of at least $1.2 trillion, will be decided by a bipartisan congressional commission. In order to ensure Republican compliance with the commission's recommendations, a budgetary sword of Damocles has been positioned over the one form of expenditure the party holds most dear: the defense budget, which will bear half the cuts should the commission fail to agree on a formula, or should Congress ignore its proposal.

Actually, it's worse than that: The GOP won a concession that the cuts would come out of "security" rather than only "defense" spending. Since "security" includes diplomacy and foreign aid (as well as homeland security), the party could thus eliminate the traditional tools of foreign policy in order to reduce the cuts to the military. And there's no reason to doubt that they would do so, since Republican legislators have sought to virtually get rid of the U.S. Agency for International Development, to gut development assistance, and to block increases in spending on the State Department. The United States would be left with a colossal military and a Ruritanian diplomatic corps.

In the aftermath of 9/11, Republicans knew why the United States needed to maintain its "position of unparalleled military strength," as President George W. Bush's 2002 National Security Strategy put it: to fight the "terrorists of global reach" who had launched an unprecedented attack on American soil. The fight required the United States to be prepared to respond at a moment's notice to terrorist threats, but also to "extend the benefits of freedom across the globe," whether through regime change, diplomacy, or the strategic use of foreign aid.

Ten years after the terrorist attack, both the fear of a sequel, and the faith in America's capacity to shape a better world, have ebbed. Or perhaps that's an overly analytical way of describing a national mood of sullen disillusionment with America's imperial role. The killing of Osama bin Laden has licensed a widespread desire to escape from the swamp of Afghanistan, to bring the boys home as they are already coming home from Iraq. Large majorities of Americans now say that the U.S. "should not be involved" in Afghanistan, or that they oppose the war there. The number of Americans who believe that promoting democracy abroad -- the heart of the Bush Doctrine -- should be a "top long-range priority" is minute, and shrinking fast.

President Barack Obama acknowledged the spirit of fatigue when he declared in his June 22 speech charting the planned withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan that "it is time to focus on nation-building here at home." But while the president conceded that "this decade of war has caused many to question the nature of America's engagement around the world," he admonished his listeners that "we must embrace America's singular role in the course of human events." It is precisely this obligation, however, that many Americans now want to dispose of like a boom-era mansion with a hopelessly underwater mortgage.

CHRISTINA M. SHAW/AFP/Getty Images

 

James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and author of, most recently, The Freedom Agenda. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

MLLANDERS

2:30 PM ET

August 5, 2011

Small Correction

*$1.2 trillion. (I don't mean to nitpick a typo; just the whole article ceases to make sense if one takes the billion/trillion mix-up at face value.)

 

CHARLES HOMANS

4:18 PM ET

August 5, 2011

Fixed--thanks!

Fixed--thanks!

 

RANDYT

5:50 PM ET

August 5, 2011

The next currency in the US

The next currency in the US will be bullets! I don't see any other outcome of the mess we're in.

 

PULLER58

6:33 PM ET

August 5, 2011

The Tea Party is a joke

It will evaporate once Obama is gone.

 

IDIOTPRAYER84

7:55 PM ET

August 5, 2011

Founding fathers

Its ironic that the Tea Party who claim to represent the founding fathers support a big military. One of the things the founders feared was the biggest threat to freedom was a standing army.

 

GLOBALFORCES

2:59 AM ET

August 6, 2011

why do we create the fearfilled world we don;t want?

It's so hard to see all the hand-wringing posturing cut our defense costs. It's massive, contrary to the founding fathers' wishes (even though they are trotted out as if their original and far thinking views actually ENDORSE this madness) and so obviously counter productive.

We hate brutal dictatorships but continue to act the same way. Military might, world-destroying weaponry and a country that is everyday trigger happy.

Screw the poor, teach them how to write a poem. No more taxes. But we need "defense" and in the US, that means bigger armies and more destructive weaponry.

We don't believe in diplomacy or helping our neighbors in times of crisis... cut those!

I've got money so I shouldn't have to pay taxes, god no. Whatever happened to the far sighted, views of our forefathers? This is why the Greeks revolt. The rich pay no taxes (unless they want to) and they decide all austerities that will be imposed on the poor.

Middle East, anyone? Do we really think our citizens will accept that kind of treatment? Oh, wait, we've got a powerful army to maintain the peace!

Middle East anyone? How different are we really?

 

FIREMAN1979

9:12 AM ET

August 6, 2011

Guns and Butter

I guess it is to much to hope that Michelle Bachmann and the other leaders of the Republican Party to dispose of Ronald Reagan's view of a "defense policy" and go back to a true war hero and leader like Eisenhower who warned us about a "military-industrial complex." I know that I can differentiate between a warrior and and an actor
I still think that are to many historical parallels to be ignored in Paul Kennedy's , "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers" to be ignored. When you look around and see the infracstructure and social needs of this country combined with the limited dollars are being spent, you have to come to the conclusion that we are hollowing out the core of our nation.

 

SUBMICRONTECH

8:50 AM ET

August 12, 2011

Fireman1979

Very well said.

 

OZZIEAARDVARK

5:18 PM ET

August 6, 2011

What Are We Doing?

Defense spending needs to come down by about $100 billion per year. Notions that we should spend less are hopelessly naïve regarding the nature of the world we live in and the role America has in stabilizing it.

Income tax revenues need to go up based on reducing specialized tax breaks that largely benefit the affluent and multinational corporations and by broadening the tax base. This can be done while lowering overall tax rates. Several formulas for doing this have been repeatedly presented by bi-partisan commissions and think-tanks, both of which aren’t running for reelection. On broadening the tax base, do you really want almost half of American households to have no stake in this discussion? That’s close to where we’re at today and it’s an incredibly dangerous place to be. Class warfare is one thing, people voting themselves pay raises entirely another.

Entitlement spending on health care and social security needs to come down. The reality is that we can’t afford to pay for the current regimen and also pay for a reasonably scaled military capability. There’s no American exceptionalism argument in here. It’s a simple choice between the dark ages and continued progress in the world becoming a civilized place. Ask yourself where the world would be without American military dominance. Try to move past your ideology and focus on being intellectually honest about it.

The Democratic mainstream political leadership needs to climb down off their ideological high horse and accept reality. The entitlement posturing they’ve engaged in on the recent borrowing limit kerfuffle is beneath contempt, unforgivable and entirely focused on political advantage.

The Republican mainstream political leadership needs to grow the spine required to provide adult supervision to the relatively small number of tea-party ideologues that swept into office in 2010. These fools were elected for one reason only. That is that when it was clear that virtually everyone wanted a singular focus on the economy and jobs, the Obama administration chose to make expensive healthcare reform essentially its only priority. The inability of the Republican leadership to manage this small group of idiots puts them beneath contempt as well.

Both being utterly disgusting, the only difference between the leadership of each party is that one is shamefully ideological, with a singular focus on holding on to power and the other hopelessly incompetent. This is of course a striking role reversal between Republicans and Democrats that is at once amusing and terrifying.

Boehner, Reid, Obama. Are you listening? Of course not. It’s all about the next election cycle.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

7:26 AM ET

August 7, 2011

What have you done?

Ozzie, Your argument, though cogent, is back to front, upside down, whatever you like to call it. Your starting point is your own implied answer to your rhetorical invitation; “Ask yourself where the world would be without American military dominance”. Should you not “move past your ideology and be intellectually honest” enough to ask yourself that question first?

It is no good speculating on what might have evolved if the US had stayed out of WW I and II. What you do is select the actual result as justification for US involvement.

Let me have a go. Hitler would likely have been assassinated and some kind of pan European accommodation reached between the UK with its Commonwealth and the emergent Germany. The answer is you simply cannot tell.

Communism was not defeated by the US, it simply withered and died as new Russian generations arose to question it. It was itself a knee jerk response to Russia’s essentially feudal social structure and the distant Kremlin court. If anything ‘defeated’, communism it was Time and the leader who best understood that was Harold Macmillan.

It is also likely that imperialism which was past its shelf life would have evolved into something like the (British) Commonwealth instead of being dusted down and resuscitated by the US.

What else? Well Iraq would not be crippled, the Israel problem would not be what it is, Palestinians would not be cooped up in the largest prison camp on earth, so many Afghans would not be martyrs and Arlington would have fewer graves. Al Qaeda would not have arisen, Osama bin Laden would be a Saudi engineer. The world would not be awash with WMDs. The US population would not be enslaved by personal debt. Oh, and the US itself would be respected, admired and economically strong.

That hypothesis is, I suggest, quite as valid as yours.

 

MMSPEED

3:11 PM ET

August 7, 2011

Don't Blame America First

Nicholas you made so many assertions in your comment that are simply not true.

Of course we can't know exactly what would have been, if so and so happened, but I think most people would agree that the Nazis and axis powers having a chance to win WW2 would have been a terrible thing.

And yes the US did not directly end communism yes, but the US and NATO kept communism and communist dictatorships at bay until it crippled on itself (ex: Liberation of S. Korea). Not to mention that the reforms such as petroiska and glassknot that were initiated by Gorbachev and hastened the fall of the USSR were done to increase the competitiveness of the USSR against the west as the Soviet Union was lagging at that time in the late 80s.

Your last paragraph is totally baseless. The Palestenian Israeli issue doensn't really have much to do with US military power as it was a problem that was started under British colonial rule. Not to mention that the US had an arms embargo on Israel for fourteen years after its foundation and didn't really start supporting it strongly until the 1960s. So I do not get exactly how the Palestinian Israeli issue would be magically resolved.

As for Iraq. I totally agree that the second Iraq war was absolutely unnecessary and damaging. However the first Gulf war was completely necessary and successful. The middle east would have been caught up in a destructive war against a bloody mad man and the world's economy would have been crippled due to oil supply shortages if Saddam Hussein wasn't swiftly neutralized under US leadership.

AS for OBL and ALqeida, sorry absolutely not true. OBL went to Afghanistan after the Soviet invasion. Over there he met the likes of Zawahiri and other Islamic militants and established Alqaida after the soviets pulled out. He was infuriated by Saudia Arabia seeking the help of the US to liberate Kuwait instead of his proposal to let him and his group fight the Iraqis(LOL). Thus turning against the Saudi Royal family. He went to Sudan in the 90s where he supported the Islamic militant movements in countries such as Egypt and Algeria and then when they were defeated he returned to Afghanistan in 1997 under the Taliban rule and his group then decided to switch their attention to the West.

Now what you need to know about Islamic groups are that their main objective is the resurrection of the Islamic Caliphate and Islamic rule and overturning all of the, in their opinion, infidel govts in Islamic countries. So Their primary concern at this stage is not the US or its foreign policy or even Israel. Their relationship with the west is mostly reactionary. Zawahiri (now the leader of Alqaeda) said the road to Jerusalem starts from Cairo. (ie taking over Egypt)
(Now we have a bunch of Alqaeda loyal lunatics running around trying to take over the Sinai peninsula here in Egypt and trying to turn it to an Islamic state . These groups were actually fighting against Hamas in Gaza which they deemed I shit you not secular! and were able to inflitrate into Sinai after they were defeated and kicked out of Gaza by Hamas. The military will hopefully take care of them.)

So do not necessarily blame the US for everything in the world and history and say that everything would have been better if America didn't exist because that simply is not true and cannot be proven.

 

SUBMICRONTECH

8:22 AM ET

August 12, 2011

To Ozzie

Interesting that the only GOP guy you chastise is Boehner. Yet it is the Tea Partiers to whom the GOP bows. TP'ers have held Americans hostage to their radical idea of dismantling the social safety net that took many, many decades to build, and return us to the law of the jungle.

Are you a Tea Bagger, Ozzie, by any chance. You condemn Boehner, and of course the Dems. Nothing to say about the wing nuts like Bachman, Rand Paul, Ron Perry, et. al. Tea Baggers all, full of nutso thoughts. You need to pay attention.

Your stand on entitlement spending and health care reform is ludicrous. Every nation that is rated higher than the USA for credit worthiness has a more caring social safety net, a longer life expectancy, and universal health care. Tea Baggers should take note.

 

SUBMICRONTECH

8:26 AM ET

August 12, 2011

To Ozzie

Interesting that the only GOP guy you chastise is Boehner. Yet it is the Tea Partiers to whom the GOP bows. TP'ers have held Americans hostage to their radical idea of dismantling the social safety net that took many, many decades to build, and return us to the law of the jungle.

Are you a Tea Bagger, Ozzie, by any chance. You condemn Boehner, and of course the Dems. Nothing to say about the wing nuts like Bachman, Rand Paul, Ron Perry, et. al. Tea Baggers all, full of nutso thoughts. You need to pay attention.

Your stand on entitlement spending and health care reform is ludicrous. Every nation that is rated higher than the USA for credit worthiness has a more caring social safety net, a longer life expectancy, and universal health care. Tea Baggers should take note.

 

OZZIEAARDVARK

6:41 PM ET

August 12, 2011

Huh?

I made an assertion that the world would be a worse place - today - without American military dominance. You responded with a Harry Turtledove (very) short story :-) I read alternate history periodically, but my assertion didn't have anything to do with history. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

 

OZZIEAARDVARK

7:48 PM ET

August 12, 2011

Huh? Again.

@submicrontech. How you could come to the conclusion that I'm (as you derisively put it) a teabagger, is completely beyond me. If you'll actually read what I wrote you'll find that I referred to tea party Republicans as ideologues, fools and idiots.

Boener is the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Reid is the Senate Majority Leader, Obama is the President. These three are the leaders of two of our three branches of government. That I didn't choose to elevate the list of tea party or conservative Republicans you came up with (it's Rick... Rick Perry BTW) to the same level is actually a bit of an odd thing to key in on for someone that's pretty obviously vehemently opposed to their ideology.

I'm not sure what "rated higher than the US for credit worthiness" means, but I think if you have a look at public debt to GDP ratio for first world countries (mostly northern Europe + Canada + Japan) that have "a more caring social safety net, a longer life expectancy, and universal health care", you'll find that they're worse off than we are. Worse, most of them already collect taxes that amount to 60% to 75% of their GDP, so they don't really have anywhere to go for more money to cover their promises. Worse still, their demographics (coming worker to retiree ratios) are much, much worse than the US. If you actually look at the data, the US has a solvable problem. The northern European welfare states (and Japan) are doomed. Canada’s somewhere in between. They’ve got lots of evil petro-revenue (I say that with a smile I’m sure you won’t appreciate) and their demographics are somewhat better than the doomed countries.

I’m only responding in the hopes that some other more cogent reader will have a more cogent response. I offer you my apologies if I’m wrong, but based on your initial response; you don’t strike me as the sort that looks at much data before forming your opinions.

 

RUSPY

1:26 AM ET

August 9, 2011

see your power in

see your power in Libya))))
disgrace to the whole world!

 

DWANA OTA

9:08 PM ET

September 2, 2011

All Guns, No Butter

What the debt ceiling deal tells us about the Tea Party's grim vision of American power. Interesting that the only GOP guy you chastise is Boehner. Yet it is the Tea Partiers to whom the GOP bows. TP'ers have held Americans hostage to their radical idea of dismantling the social safety net that took many, many decades to build, and return us to the law of the jungle. Are you a Tea Bagger, Ozzie, by any chance. You condemn Boehner, and of course the Dems. Nothing to say about the wing anorexia It's so hard to see all the hand-wringing posturing cut our defense costs. It's massive, contrary to the founding fathers' wishes (even though they are trotted out as if their original and far thinking views actually ENDORSE this madness) and so obviously counter productive. We hate brutal dictatorships but continue to act the same way. Military might, world-destroying weaponry and a country that.