All Guns, No Butter

What the debt ceiling deal tells us about the Tea Party's grim vision of American power.

BY JAMES TRAUB | AUGUST 5, 2011

We no longer accept the obligation, but we're still prepared -- or at least the GOP is still prepared -- to bankrupt ourselves in order to keep up payments on the mansion, currently running to $529 billion a year. It feels more like a reflex than a policy. Moreover, how can a party so deeply persuaded that government is bad, and government spending the enemy of the free market, make so immense an exception for a bureaucracy as vast and as deeply entrenched as the Pentagon? Of course those hundreds of billions create powerful economic interests which perpetuate spending; but so do farm supports, and even they seem more endangered than Raytheon contracts these days.

I understand the position of the remaining "greatness conservatives" -- Sens. John McCain and Marco Rubio, William Kristol or David Brooks -- who still believe deeply in America's singular role in the world, and are prepared to pay for it. That wing of the GOP and its constituency actually believes in government, if limited government. The new breed of Republican does not. Of course Tea Party conservatives like Michele Bachmann are aggressive exponents of "American exceptionalism," but they see the state not as an instrument of American greatness but as an impediment to it. American people are good; American government is bad. Except for defense spending, of course.

Some of us, on the other hand, have a view of American singularity -- if not "greatness," a word with too much breast-beating in it -- in which the state plays an indispensable role. Americans are neither better nor worse than other people, but at various time in its history the United States, as a national entity, has acted as a force for good in the world. The American military came to Europe's rescue twice in the 20th century and contained the threat of Russian aggression for half of it. The world takes shelter under the American nuclear umbrella. But much of the good the United States has done over the last several generations has involved diplomacy and statecraft, rather than force. In the progressive internationalist view that Obama seems to share, the nation's willingness to diminish its own power after World War II by pooling it into global institutions like the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund is the clearest sign of American exceptionalism. Such institutions are rightly known as "global goods."

The United States is entering a grim period of national diminution -- not, chiefly, because such contraction is being forced upon us by events, but rather because we no longer believe in the institutions and instruments through which American leaders have acted in the past. The national sense of purpose has been diminished as well. When Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell asserted that the central purpose of his party was to unseat the incumbent president, he was admitting as much; the mere fact that he was willing to say so shows how little store McConnell puts in nonpartisanship. The two leading impulses of today's GOP are partisan pettiness and theological grandiosity. The steely gaze of this basilisk has paralyzed the Democrats.

The two parties will spend the next 15 months feverishly catering to a hostile electorate by competing over formulae to shrink the state. At least there may be some spectator sport in watching the Republicans make the awful choice between accepting the modest revenue increases Democratic members of the commission are likely to demand, and protecting the sacred defense budget. In the meanwhile, sleep safely, children, for nothing is likely to stop the Pentagon from spending $300 billion on the new F-35 Lightning II fighter aircraft.

CHRISTINA M. SHAW/AFP/Getty Images

 

James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and author of, most recently, The Freedom Agenda. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

MLLANDERS

2:30 PM ET

August 5, 2011

Small Correction

*$1.2 trillion. (I don't mean to nitpick a typo; just the whole article ceases to make sense if one takes the billion/trillion mix-up at face value.)

 

CHARLES HOMANS

4:18 PM ET

August 5, 2011

Fixed--thanks!

Fixed--thanks!

 

RANDYT

5:50 PM ET

August 5, 2011

The next currency in the US

The next currency in the US will be bullets! I don't see any other outcome of the mess we're in.

 

PULLER58

6:33 PM ET

August 5, 2011

The Tea Party is a joke

It will evaporate once Obama is gone.

 

IDIOTPRAYER84

7:55 PM ET

August 5, 2011

Founding fathers

Its ironic that the Tea Party who claim to represent the founding fathers support a big military. One of the things the founders feared was the biggest threat to freedom was a standing army.

 

GLOBALFORCES

2:59 AM ET

August 6, 2011

why do we create the fearfilled world we don;t want?

It's so hard to see all the hand-wringing posturing cut our defense costs. It's massive, contrary to the founding fathers' wishes (even though they are trotted out as if their original and far thinking views actually ENDORSE this madness) and so obviously counter productive.

We hate brutal dictatorships but continue to act the same way. Military might, world-destroying weaponry and a country that is everyday trigger happy.

Screw the poor, teach them how to write a poem. No more taxes. But we need "defense" and in the US, that means bigger armies and more destructive weaponry.

We don't believe in diplomacy or helping our neighbors in times of crisis... cut those!

I've got money so I shouldn't have to pay taxes, god no. Whatever happened to the far sighted, views of our forefathers? This is why the Greeks revolt. The rich pay no taxes (unless they want to) and they decide all austerities that will be imposed on the poor.

Middle East, anyone? Do we really think our citizens will accept that kind of treatment? Oh, wait, we've got a powerful army to maintain the peace!

Middle East anyone? How different are we really?

 

FIREMAN1979

9:12 AM ET

August 6, 2011

Guns and Butter

I guess it is to much to hope that Michelle Bachmann and the other leaders of the Republican Party to dispose of Ronald Reagan's view of a "defense policy" and go back to a true war hero and leader like Eisenhower who warned us about a "military-industrial complex." I know that I can differentiate between a warrior and and an actor
I still think that are to many historical parallels to be ignored in Paul Kennedy's , "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers" to be ignored. When you look around and see the infracstructure and social needs of this country combined with the limited dollars are being spent, you have to come to the conclusion that we are hollowing out the core of our nation.

 

SUBMICRONTECH

8:50 AM ET

August 12, 2011

Fireman1979

Very well said.

 

OZZIEAARDVARK

5:18 PM ET

August 6, 2011

What Are We Doing?

Defense spending needs to come down by about $100 billion per year. Notions that we should spend less are hopelessly naïve regarding the nature of the world we live in and the role America has in stabilizing it.

Income tax revenues need to go up based on reducing specialized tax breaks that largely benefit the affluent and multinational corporations and by broadening the tax base. This can be done while lowering overall tax rates. Several formulas for doing this have been repeatedly presented by bi-partisan commissions and think-tanks, both of which aren’t running for reelection. On broadening the tax base, do you really want almost half of American households to have no stake in this discussion? That’s close to where we’re at today and it’s an incredibly dangerous place to be. Class warfare is one thing, people voting themselves pay raises entirely another.

Entitlement spending on health care and social security needs to come down. The reality is that we can’t afford to pay for the current regimen and also pay for a reasonably scaled military capability. There’s no American exceptionalism argument in here. It’s a simple choice between the dark ages and continued progress in the world becoming a civilized place. Ask yourself where the world would be without American military dominance. Try to move past your ideology and focus on being intellectually honest about it.

The Democratic mainstream political leadership needs to climb down off their ideological high horse and accept reality. The entitlement posturing they’ve engaged in on the recent borrowing limit kerfuffle is beneath contempt, unforgivable and entirely focused on political advantage.

The Republican mainstream political leadership needs to grow the spine required to provide adult supervision to the relatively small number of tea-party ideologues that swept into office in 2010. These fools were elected for one reason only. That is that when it was clear that virtually everyone wanted a singular focus on the economy and jobs, the Obama administration chose to make expensive healthcare reform essentially its only priority. The inability of the Republican leadership to manage this small group of idiots puts them beneath contempt as well.

Both being utterly disgusting, the only difference between the leadership of each party is that one is shamefully ideological, with a singular focus on holding on to power and the other hopelessly incompetent. This is of course a striking role reversal between Republicans and Democrats that is at once amusing and terrifying.

Boehner, Reid, Obama. Are you listening? Of course not. It’s all about the next election cycle.

 

NICHOLAS WIBBERLEY

7:26 AM ET

August 7, 2011

What have you done?

Ozzie, Your argument, though cogent, is back to front, upside down, whatever you like to call it. Your starting point is your own implied answer to your rhetorical invitation; “Ask yourself where the world would be without American military dominance”. Should you not “move past your ideology and be intellectually honest” enough to ask yourself that question first?

It is no good speculating on what might have evolved if the US had stayed out of WW I and II. What you do is select the actual result as justification for US involvement.

Let me have a go. Hitler would likely have been assassinated and some kind of pan European accommodation reached between the UK with its Commonwealth and the emergent Germany. The answer is you simply cannot tell.

Communism was not defeated by the US, it simply withered and died as new Russian generations arose to question it. It was itself a knee jerk response to Russia’s essentially feudal social structure and the distant Kremlin court. If anything ‘defeated’, communism it was Time and the leader who best understood that was Harold Macmillan.

It is also likely that imperialism which was past its shelf life would have evolved into something like the (British) Commonwealth instead of being dusted down and resuscitated by the US.

What else? Well Iraq would not be crippled, the Israel problem would not be what it is, Palestinians would not be cooped up in the largest prison camp on earth, so many Afghans would not be martyrs and Arlington would have fewer graves. Al Qaeda would not have arisen, Osama bin Laden would be a Saudi engineer. The world would not be awash with WMDs. The US population would not be enslaved by personal debt. Oh, and the US itself would be respected, admired and economically strong.

That hypothesis is, I suggest, quite as valid as yours.

 

MMSPEED

3:11 PM ET

August 7, 2011

Don't Blame America First

Nicholas you made so many assertions in your comment that are simply not true.

Of course we can't know exactly what would have been, if so and so happened, but I think most people would agree that the Nazis and axis powers having a chance to win WW2 would have been a terrible thing.

And yes the US did not directly end communism yes, but the US and NATO kept communism and communist dictatorships at bay until it crippled on itself (ex: Liberation of S. Korea). Not to mention that the reforms such as petroiska and glassknot that were initiated by Gorbachev and hastened the fall of the USSR were done to increase the competitiveness of the USSR against the west as the Soviet Union was lagging at that time in the late 80s.

Your last paragraph is totally baseless. The Palestenian Israeli issue doensn't really have much to do with US military power as it was a problem that was started under British colonial rule. Not to mention that the US had an arms embargo on Israel for fourteen years after its foundation and didn't really start supporting it strongly until the 1960s. So I do not get exactly how the Palestinian Israeli issue would be magically resolved.

As for Iraq. I totally agree that the second Iraq war was absolutely unnecessary and damaging. However the first Gulf war was completely necessary and successful. The middle east would have been caught up in a destructive war against a bloody mad man and the world's economy would have been crippled due to oil supply shortages if Saddam Hussein wasn't swiftly neutralized under US leadership.

AS for OBL and ALqeida, sorry absolutely not true. OBL went to Afghanistan after the Soviet invasion. Over there he met the likes of Zawahiri and other Islamic militants and established Alqaida after the soviets pulled out. He was infuriated by Saudia Arabia seeking the help of the US to liberate Kuwait instead of his proposal to let him and his group fight the Iraqis(LOL). Thus turning against the Saudi Royal family. He went to Sudan in the 90s where he supported the Islamic militant movements in countries such as Egypt and Algeria and then when they were defeated he returned to Afghanistan in 1997 under the Taliban rule and his group then decided to switch their attention to the West.

Now what you need to know about Islamic groups are that their main objective is the resurrection of the Islamic Caliphate and Islamic rule and overturning all of the, in their opinion, infidel govts in Islamic countries. So Their primary concern at this stage is not the US or its foreign policy or even Israel. Their relationship with the west is mostly reactionary. Zawahiri (now the leader of Alqaeda) said the road to Jerusalem starts from Cairo. (ie taking over Egypt)
(Now we have a bunch of Alqaeda loyal lunatics running around trying to take over the Sinai peninsula here in Egypt and trying to turn it to an Islamic state . These groups were actually fighting against Hamas in Gaza which they deemed I shit you not secular! and were able to inflitrate into Sinai after they were defeated and kicked out of Gaza by Hamas. The military will hopefully take care of them.)

So do not necessarily blame the US for everything in the world and history and say that everything would have been better if America didn't exist because that simply is not true and cannot be proven.

 

SUBMICRONTECH

8:22 AM ET

August 12, 2011

To Ozzie

Interesting that the only GOP guy you chastise is Boehner. Yet it is the Tea Partiers to whom the GOP bows. TP'ers have held Americans hostage to their radical idea of dismantling the social safety net that took many, many decades to build, and return us to the law of the jungle.

Are you a Tea Bagger, Ozzie, by any chance. You condemn Boehner, and of course the Dems. Nothing to say about the wing nuts like Bachman, Rand Paul, Ron Perry, et. al. Tea Baggers all, full of nutso thoughts. You need to pay attention.

Your stand on entitlement spending and health care reform is ludicrous. Every nation that is rated higher than the USA for credit worthiness has a more caring social safety net, a longer life expectancy, and universal health care. Tea Baggers should take note.

 

SUBMICRONTECH

8:26 AM ET

August 12, 2011

To Ozzie

Interesting that the only GOP guy you chastise is Boehner. Yet it is the Tea Partiers to whom the GOP bows. TP'ers have held Americans hostage to their radical idea of dismantling the social safety net that took many, many decades to build, and return us to the law of the jungle.

Are you a Tea Bagger, Ozzie, by any chance. You condemn Boehner, and of course the Dems. Nothing to say about the wing nuts like Bachman, Rand Paul, Ron Perry, et. al. Tea Baggers all, full of nutso thoughts. You need to pay attention.

Your stand on entitlement spending and health care reform is ludicrous. Every nation that is rated higher than the USA for credit worthiness has a more caring social safety net, a longer life expectancy, and universal health care. Tea Baggers should take note.

 

OZZIEAARDVARK

6:41 PM ET

August 12, 2011

Huh?

I made an assertion that the world would be a worse place - today - without American military dominance. You responded with a Harry Turtledove (very) short story :-) I read alternate history periodically, but my assertion didn't have anything to do with history. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

 

OZZIEAARDVARK

7:48 PM ET

August 12, 2011

Huh? Again.

@submicrontech. How you could come to the conclusion that I'm (as you derisively put it) a teabagger, is completely beyond me. If you'll actually read what I wrote you'll find that I referred to tea party Republicans as ideologues, fools and idiots.

Boener is the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Reid is the Senate Majority Leader, Obama is the President. These three are the leaders of two of our three branches of government. That I didn't choose to elevate the list of tea party or conservative Republicans you came up with (it's Rick... Rick Perry BTW) to the same level is actually a bit of an odd thing to key in on for someone that's pretty obviously vehemently opposed to their ideology.

I'm not sure what "rated higher than the US for credit worthiness" means, but I think if you have a look at public debt to GDP ratio for first world countries (mostly northern Europe + Canada + Japan) that have "a more caring social safety net, a longer life expectancy, and universal health care", you'll find that they're worse off than we are. Worse, most of them already collect taxes that amount to 60% to 75% of their GDP, so they don't really have anywhere to go for more money to cover their promises. Worse still, their demographics (coming worker to retiree ratios) are much, much worse than the US. If you actually look at the data, the US has a solvable problem. The northern European welfare states (and Japan) are doomed. Canada’s somewhere in between. They’ve got lots of evil petro-revenue (I say that with a smile I’m sure you won’t appreciate) and their demographics are somewhat better than the doomed countries.

I’m only responding in the hopes that some other more cogent reader will have a more cogent response. I offer you my apologies if I’m wrong, but based on your initial response; you don’t strike me as the sort that looks at much data before forming your opinions.

 

RUSPY

1:26 AM ET

August 9, 2011

see your power in

see your power in Libya))))
disgrace to the whole world!

 

DWANA OTA

9:08 PM ET

September 2, 2011

All Guns, No Butter

What the debt ceiling deal tells us about the Tea Party's grim vision of American power. Interesting that the only GOP guy you chastise is Boehner. Yet it is the Tea Partiers to whom the GOP bows. TP'ers have held Americans hostage to their radical idea of dismantling the social safety net that took many, many decades to build, and return us to the law of the jungle. Are you a Tea Bagger, Ozzie, by any chance. You condemn Boehner, and of course the Dems. Nothing to say about the wing anorexia It's so hard to see all the hand-wringing posturing cut our defense costs. It's massive, contrary to the founding fathers' wishes (even though they are trotted out as if their original and far thinking views actually ENDORSE this madness) and so obviously counter productive. We hate brutal dictatorships but continue to act the same way. Military might, world-destroying weaponry and a country that.