Life After Debt

In this month's market upheavals in the United States and Europe, we are witnessing the end of a seven-decade economic experiment. But does anyone have any clue what comes next?

BY JAMES MACDONALD | AUGUST 18, 2011

Over the past few weeks, the world's public debt crisis, simmering for months, has come to the boil. When the problems were confined to small countries such as Greece and Ireland, it was assumed that any fallout could be contained. Now, however, the crisis has threatened to engulf nearly everyone. The high-wire confrontation over the debt ceiling in the U.S. Congress raised the prospect of a default by the world's biggest borrower. At the same time, the markets turned their attention to Italy, the eurozone's third-largest economy and the world's fourth-biggest debtor, threatening to raise its borrowing costs to unaffordable levels, or even to cut off its access to funds. The two crises differed in many ways -- not least in that America's borrowing costs fell while Italy's rose -- but the outcomes were similar in one respect: both countries have enacted plans to sharply cut their budget deficits.

How different it seems from two years ago. In the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, the ideas of John Maynard Keynes, the early 20th century British economist who came to fame during the Great Depression, reigned supreme. It was almost universally accepted that his prescription of massive doses of deficit spending constituted the only possible cure for the global economic collapse. But although large-scale government stimulus programs averted economic catastrophe, apparently justifying Keynes's theories, it now seems that the Keynesian plan to rescue the global economy is being left half-baked. His ideas are being abandoned even though unemployment remains far above pre-crisis levels and the economic recovery is stalling. Keynesian economists and politicians may describe their austerity-minded opponents as turkeys voting for Christmas, but they appear to be losing the battle.

Is this just a moment of collective folly, a wilful blindness to the lessons of the past? To Keynesians, after all, the historical record is clear. Misguided attempts to balance the budget in the wake of the 1929 crash turned a nasty recession into the Great Depression. It was only when the government started to run a substantial deficit from 1932 onwards that the slump abated and the economy recovered, aided by President Franklin D. Roosevelt's devaluation of the dollar in 1933. But the recovery was aborted while unemployment was still high, as a result of the premature withdrawal of fiscal and monetary stimulus in 1937. A sharp and unnecessary second recession followed in 1938, and full employment was only restored by the massive additional stimulus provided by war spending, after which Keynesian economic doctrines produced a period of almost uninterrupted growth that lasted until the 1970s.

The recession of 1938 is a pivotal event in this historical narrative, because it seems to parallel so closely the present situation. By attempting to balance the budget before the economic recovery is fully established, the West risks a double-dip recession, just as occurred in the 1930s.

Yet this story is not quite as simple as Keynesians would like to think -- and the events of 1938 are not the only historical example that can be brought to bear on current events. If Keynesians can point to the impact of wartime spending on the economy, austerity advocates can point to the retreat from it, after both world wars. In 1918 and 1945, both the United States and Britain found themselves with very high public debts and economies that had been artificially boosted during the war as a result of deficit spending and loose monetary policies. Their average budget deficit in the last year of war was 25 percent of gross domestic product (GDP). Yet within two years after the end of the wars, both countries had returned not just to sustainable levels of deficit, but to surplus. This was a far greater level of fiscal tightening than anything contemplated nowadays, and it was achieved exclusively through spending reductions.

The outcomes of these post-war retrenchments are instructive. In three out of the four cases of British and American post-war adjustment, the economies initially shrunk, but then started a period of strong and sustained growth with low unemployment. (The exception is Britain after World War I, which entered a decade-long economic depression in many ways as severe as America's in the 1930s. The difference here is in monetary policy: While the United States countered post-war inflation with interest rate hikes that brought prices back to 1919 levels but no lower, Britain made a concerted attempt to deflate prices to pre-war levels so as to get back onto the gold standard at the old parity. In other words, it attempted an "internal devaluation" like the one now being prescribed for the uncompetitive peripheral countries of the eurozone -- and the result was disastrous.)

The post-war experience appears to offer some comfort for America and Britain -- if not for the eurozone. It seems that even extreme fiscal contractions can be pursued without long-term harm as long as monetary policy is left easy and deflation is avoided. After the wars there was an inevitable period of difficult adjustment as the economy underwent a change in focus, reducing its dependence on military spending. But once that adjustment was endured, economies rebounded rapidly. This was all the more remarkable because between them, the Allies comprised close to half of the world's GDP, so there was no hope of exporting to some "consumer of last resort."

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MATTW0699

1:41 AM ET

August 19, 2011

War and Debt

"But does anyone have any clue what comes next? "

Why are you mentioning retrenchments associated with war? Isn't it obvious what comes next? War.

America, Europe and Japan are in a pre-collapse state. Russia and China are in a pre-collapse state. The Middle East is in a collapse state. It looks to me like a big part of the world wants to collapse in one way or another. That means war.

The historical signs of war are present today. However, nobody wants to listen.

 

SEO IN KENT

5:17 AM ET

August 19, 2011

War is premature currently

You could certainly say that war could be potentially looking, there are certainly enough signs to suggest so. However I would argue that who would be at war with whom? There is no direct conflict between the western world and Russia and China, you couls say there are conflicts within the middles east, but when isnt there? seo in kent

 

JANJAMM

7:41 AM ET

August 19, 2011

What next?

It seems that no one is able to think beyond the deficit spending v. cut spending paradigms. Where are the new thinkers? War is not the answer. We in the US have several going at one time and they are a horrible economic drag, not to mention the post-war costs for the health and emotional issues of over one million soldiers, most of whom are untrained for civilian employment. No one has even begun to calculate the post war costs. I believe the strategy of continuing the wars (and adding one in Libya) is that ending them would cause a rise in unemployment, a drop in spending and the loss of jobs in the arms sector industries. That would be a huge problem which the economy could not withstand right now. So we have our wars. That's not the solution. We need some radical new thinking.

 

TARHEELCHIEF

5:48 PM ET

August 19, 2011

Changing the Rules

For some unknown reason,the offshore account exists.
This was valuable during the Holocaust.The Holocaust was 70 years ago.
Today it serves the following groups--terrorists,drug dealers,commodity traders,casino owners,bankers,insurance companies,irate members of the Saudi Royal Family,dictators,
oil companies,media outlets,hedgefunds,pension funds,illegal immigrants--an unsavory group if there ever was one.
Not one country can collect taxes. If you examine the Chinese and Indian governments you can see the results.But the Chinese have a solution.If the money isn't there,neither are you.
Democracies cannot even explore halting the outflow of cash from their economies.
For some reason,unknown to the Congress and President,this seems to be Third Rail of modern times.And it causes these strange graphs regarding projected deficits. Who knows when 35% of the money cannot be found.
The former chairman of the Fed admitted this on several occasions. He had few tools available to control monetary policy because he could not control money.
Strange as it may seem,only one action can be used to collect information on offshore accounts and that is a large divorce.I'm not sure how divorce lawyers do it,but they can find cash offshore,in the backyard,under the mattress, inside the insulation,and frozen in freezers.

 

ZORRO

8:15 AM ET

August 19, 2011

Depression Is Next

With private and public debt decreasing the West will enter a long (5-10 years) period of stagnating or decreasing production and consumption.
This will last until either a) debts and commitments has been reduced enough, b) the rest of the world starts consuming more and/or c) the end of the dollar as world currency and the end of the Chinese dollar peg.

War seems unlikely. Only the US has any military forces to speak of and what would it do with them? Try to rob the rest of us? Not economically viable I dare say.

 

HISTORY STUDENT

9:25 AM ET

August 19, 2011

Contradicted by Market Reality

I generally like and respect James Macdonald, but in this case he has been exceptionally premature in writing the obituary of Keynesian economic policy, and the evidence is right there in the Business Section. It is true that Keynes relied upon a government's being able to borrow when necessary. And the U.S. Government, for one, is actually better able to borrow now than it was a month or a year or three years ago. We have the virtually unprecedented opportunity to borrow for ten years at just over 2% per year, and neither our current levels of debt, nor our expected levels of debt, nor the pessimism of Standard and Poor's seems to have dissuaded the market one bit from offering to lend to the U.S. Government on extraordinarily favorable terms. The failure is not of economic means, it is of political will.

And on the subject of government credit, Keynes was keenly aware of the fact that such market willingness to lend could not be taken for granted, which is why Keynes emphatically did not advocate permanent deficit spending, or deficit spending during boom times. That particular policy perversion is a legacy of politicians too cowardly to tell their constituents that they can't always have their cake and eat it, too -- or of starve-the-beasters intentionally trying to engineer the sort of fiscal crisis that we are currently living through. Keynes advocated modest surpluses in good times in order to preserve government credit for when it was really needed.

 

CHANGS

9:49 AM ET

August 19, 2011

The U.S. Is At War, Financed By Debt

We have been at war since 9/11/2001, when the country was attacked by a group of radical extremists. We chose to retaliate by going to war against a country that harbored the extremists and a country that our then President disliked.

Unfortunately the decision was made to finance this war by debt instead of taxes. This decision is one of the prime reason we are in the current financial mess. The other prime reason is the decision that was made to eliminate regulation of Wall Street and corporations by the same administration, which allow corporate greed to run amok.

Unfortunately we did not learn any lessons from the last ten years as we are still fighting those wars financed by debt and are still allowing Wall Street and corporate executives to enrich themselves at the expense of the rest of the country,

ChangS

 

DAVEMCLANE

9:02 PM ET

August 20, 2011

Not exactly at war

While the U.S. thinks it's engaged in a military War on Terror, from another viewpoint it's fallen in Osama bin Laden's Snipe hunt which is designed to defeat it economically, not militarily. To be sure there are some people who continue baiting the trap, but given the current brouhaha in Washington as to how much money can be borrowed for the War on Terror, it's looks like OBL's trap is working.

"In the famous November 1, 2004 video that played a crucial part in assuring the reelection of George W. Bush, Osama bin Laden - or a clone of Osama bin Laden - once again expanded on how the "mujahedeen bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat."

"That's the exact same strategy al-Qaeda has deployed against the US; according to Bin Laden at the time, "all that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the farthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaeda in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note, other than some benefits to their private companies."

"The record since 9/11 shows that's exactly what's happening. The war on terror has totally depleted the US treasury - to the point that the White House and Congress are now immersed in a titanic battle over a $4 trillion debt ceiling."

[Full text: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/2011711121720939655.html ]

And second, the full text of that November 1, 2004 video which is here: http://english.aljazeera.net/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html

 

KARENYKARL

11:21 AM ET

August 19, 2011

An excellent analysis, but this was not talked about

First, the soundness of Keynesian economic prescriptions has not been challenged. When you're in a severe economic downturn, you're still a helluva lot better off engaging in deficit spending instead of trying to balance the budget. Herbert Hoover and 1937-8 have unquestionably proved that.

If it can be said that things are different this time economically, it's because of the massive overhang of private debt coupled with an extremely large quantity of military spending on our part. While military spending is Keynesian in some respects, it's also like heroin in that it contributes absolutely nothing to productive investments. Instead of building bridges, schools, or hospitals (all of which are productive) military spending is literally made to be blown up.

The end result is critical deterioration in our national infratrstructure. While the current fashion in Washington might be to talk about "entitlement reform," i.e. cutting back on Social Security and Medicare, the fact remains that these programs are not only vital towards maintaining a level of national prosperity, but (in the case of Social Security) have absolutely no impact on our nation's budgetary problems. It's been proved time and time again that the Social Security trust fund is solvent until 2037, so why are so many people in a hot flash to cut?

The answer comes from our dysfunctional political system. Defense contractors will not willingly give up sucking on the teat of defense contracts. And income redistribution policies that reward the rich and punish the poor are nothing more than poorly disguised exercises in greed.

As long as our political system is in thrall to the ultrarich, we will be heading down the road to economic and political disaster. And in that respects, the author might be right. It might take a bigger disaster than what we've already faced to realign our sick society.

 

PHILBEST

3:24 PM ET

August 19, 2011

Missing piece of the analytical puzzle

Historically, economic cyclical volatility has been a kind of "norm". The big mistake we have made, is in assuming that clever monetary policy was responsible for an era of stable , strong growth.

Why did Britain NOT experience this stable, strong growth in the decades after WW2? I say it is because Britain introduced the "Town and Country Planning Act" in 1947, which constrained urban growth. The USA, on the other hand, had Levittowns and the GI Bill. Without the Levittowns and the "market driven" urban development processes where no-one made any "planning gain", the GI Bill and easy credit for home buyers would have caused a house price bubble. (As we have found out now).

Easy credit back then did not cause a PRICE bubble, it caused a construction boom and prices stayed low because anyone could develop on green fields without long permission processes and fights and bidding wars. Guess what - easy credit did not cause a price bubble anywhere in the USA THIS TIME round UNLESS they had "Smart Growth" or similar constraints on urban fringe growth.

Japan and Korea, 1990: "The Asian Crisis". Urban Land price bubbles. (Maybe growth restrictions were more justifiable in these highly populated countries - nevertheless, the connection with bubbles is there). Monetary policy? Impotent.

Lesson: monetary policy and Keynesianism, are powerless to clean up after a serious land price bubble. Don't let land price bubbles happen. The COST of "urban containment", NIMBYism, conservation; is "MAJOR economic crisis".

No-one is working out a way of getting round this, because no-one has worked out what the real problem is, or why we DID have stable, strong economic growth after WW2, or why Texas still has it. The first thing President Rick Perry should do, to use "the Texas experience" to cure the USA, is abolish "Smart Growth".

By the way, China and India have serious urban land price bubbles right now. These are about to make the earlier "Asian Crisis" look mild. The Chinese and Indians do not have "Smart Growth" or "Town and Country Planning", but they have corrupt, politicized development processes riddled with "capital gains" for well-placed people. The effect is the same. This was actually the main problem in Karl Marx's day - free market automobile-driven urban development buried Marx's "rich get richer, poor get poorer" maxim more effectively than any other single factor. Before that, all income increases simply capitalized into land rent increases for the land owning class. The same thing has been happening in Britain as a result of "Town and Country Planning". The LSE "Spatial Economics Research Centre" is the most advanced institution in the world in understanding this.

 

MICHAELW_NEWYORK

2:19 PM ET

August 20, 2011

Another Right Wing Theory of How to Save the World

We can count on the Republicans to come up with some theory that demonstrates how the success of the world depends on the being able to grow without bounds, the cheapest, most destructive, most unsupportable, and most shallow kind of growth that they can think of. It will save the world because it will make them the most money in the shortest period of time. I thank the republicans for their crazy economic theories that have no basis in fact because without them we would not have as much fun making fun of them. Sorry buddy, cant go with it. You cant just build another mini-mall and concrete parking lot on a mission to save democracy from Marxism or whatever it is you think happened here. You will have to live with controls on your plans for developing that new, identical to the last, shopping mall. You know, the one with all the same stores as the thing you built 3.5 miles away from the last one. That one was ugly too. And that one will fall apart in about 20 years just like the one before that that was 7.2 miles away. Its ok, you will learn to do something else, I hope, with your life.

 

PHILBEST

7:52 PM ET

August 26, 2011

MICHAELW_NEWYORK

MICHAELW_NEWYORK gives a response that I am well familiar with already. Here is what is so idiotic about the kind of "pre emptive" anti growth politics he supports.

Instead of allowing supply and demand and price signals to change our behavior, the eco fascists want taxes and regulations that force up the cost of living, to change our behavior "ahead of time" so that hopefully, it will take longer than otherwise for the planet to run out of resources. The result of this, is people paying a lot of money for nothing - especially young people having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars more for their first home, than otherwise. This is literally the difference between a "Smart Growth" city and one with a free market in land. (Ironically, the price inflation in housing, forces first home buyers out to "sand suburbs" with very much longer commutes to "the city proper". The cost of housing is always much higher than the cost of transport, for people entering the housing market for the first time. The famous "Costs of Sprawl 2000" Report actually discussed this in depth, and did not offer a solution).

The result of this can be seen HERE, in the difference in "discretionary incomes", between high land price cities and low land price cities: refer page 5:

http://www.houston.org/economic-development/joel-kotkin/pdf/KotkinAppendices%20Policy%20Framework%20with%20table.pdf

The fact that people in low land cost cities might drive thirstier cars, and live more energy intensively, is because they have "discretionary income" to spend on such things. Turn this fact around the other way, and look at it as "resilience". By forcing up the cost of housing and forcing people to pay a high proportion of their income on "nothing", we reduce the economic resilience of those people. As resources DO run out and the prices skyrocket, it is the people living under costly "pre emptive politics" who will be "dead", while those living free will still have the scope to modify their behavior a little, and survive.

Also ironically, it is the "living free" people who have the discretionary spending and the investment levels in their local economies, to invest in expensive new technology that will keep them going. When all those Californians with their ridiculously overpriced urban land and the gouging taxes have starved to death, it will be the Houstonians driving hydrogen-power cars and catching Mag-Lev trains and generally living as humanity should in the 22nd century - because they could afford it.

Apart from this, as I said above, messing with urban land markets in the name of "sustainable urban development" causes economic collapse anyway. Ultimately, this is a matter of Darwinism. The people who succumb to eco-idiocy are actually bringing an end to their economies and societies, regardless of whether or not it turns out to be true that resources will run out. The 22nd century will belong to the remaining bastions of "living free" politics and economics.

The rational points of view are actually optimistic. It is not necessary for some portions of humanity to self-genocide to "save the planet". You only need to read 2 things: "Environmentalism Refuted" by George Reisman, and "Renewable and Nuclear Heresies" by Jesse Ausubel. Then, follow "The Rational Optimist" Blog.

 

KUNINO

3:47 PM ET

August 19, 2011

Growing government debt, nourished by the Tea Party

While quite a lot of electronic ink has been spent in this posting and comment about whether or not Keynesian economics offer valuable guidance for resolving the republic's present fiscal problems, I found nothing about the fact that the Tea Party during the recent debt ceiling debate; before it; and since it ended; committed itself to ensuring that the national debt will never be paid off. Never ever.

This is not a controversial statement. It's based on the sensible reality that debt is something you either pay your way out of, or else get ridden and likely, broken by. To pay off debt, you need to raise money. The Tea Party and other conservative politicians, many entranced by the Norquist secret campaign funds -- their origin in secret -- have committed themselves by oath to ensuring that the republic will never raise enough money to pay off the debt. This is what "no new taxes" ensures. Instead, they have worked hard to amputate as many federal activities as they can think of. I see their eyes now turn toward the Postal Service.

Such thinking completely bypasses any idea that the debt can or should ever be paid off, and substitutes something else that the Tea Party can't exactly define. The famous remark from one of the no new taxes champions is that the idea is getting the federal government cut so deeply in size that it finally can be strangled in a family bathtub. I suppose that makes the nebulous idea as clear as possible.

Destroy the federal government, of course, and you've destroyed America.

Does anybody have any clear ideas of what could replace it? Sounds like the return of feudal baronies to me. And in due course, wars between the barons, which will give other states outside the present USA something of a breather.

 

STEFAN STACKHOUSE

4:18 PM ET

August 19, 2011

Structural, not cyclical

There is a difference between structural and cyclical downturns. The latter are garden-variety ups and downs that are inevitable. Keynes had exactly the right remedy: countercyclical fiscal policy. Run deficits to dampen the downturns, and run surpluses to dampen the bubbles. As long as you do both, that works reasonably well. The trouble is, everyone forgets all about running the surpluses in the boom times to dampen the bubbles. Then we all get into big trouble.

Sometimes that trouble even becomes structural. Or something else (or usually several other things) results in structural problems. A structural downturn is a different animal. The only thing that will help a structural downturn is restructuring. Countercyclical policy will do about as much good for a structural downturn as an antibiotic will do for a virus.

The basic structural problem is that the world changed while the fiscal and monetary policies and individual behaviors didn't. The combination of globalization and "the rise of the rest" and demographic aging and technological change resulted in a different world - a world in which the western powers were not going to be so economically dominant or prosperous, a world in which they needed to tighten their belts and become lean and mean competitors. It was a new world of lower prices and wages for most, where frugality and savings and investment rather than living high on the hog became the order of the day. Too many people failed to notice and make the necessary adjustments until far too late; many are still in denial even at this late date.

There are no quick or easy or painless solutions, and in fact the governments of the western nations cannot even do it all themselves. Much of the restructuring has to take place at the level of individual households and businesses and state and local governments. National governments do need to get to work on their share of the restructuring, though. This is going to mean restructuring taxes so that they are broad based, efficient, and low in marginal rate, and making painful spending decisions to get long-term national expenditures in line with long-term revenues. Difficult decisions will have to be made about national priorities; just as individual households have to adjust to the fact that they can't buy everything they want, so must national governments face up to the same reality.

It will take years to work through this restructuring. Trying to short-circuit it won't speed it up, but it could very well drag things out.

 

DR. SARDONICUS

5:31 PM ET

August 19, 2011

You want life after debt? Come and get it!

The obvious outcome is war, and the obvious antagonists will be us.

The Republican ideal is best illustrated by the Democratic Republic of the Congo. No taxes, no government, no public services or facilities; at every corner, corrupt functionaries and predatory splinter units of the Army, random militias and multi-tiered police. Civil transport, education, public health and jurisprudence totally defunded. No banking services except for corporate accounts. No surviving professionals; no labor relations, environmental regulations or human rights enforced anywhere. Local business no more sophisticated than a village marketplace bartering garden vegetables and recycled junk. Nothing else paid for, nothing else works and nothing much else is survivable.

Once the U.S. Army has been reeled back home from its counterinsurgency training in Iraq and Afghanistan, some false flag mass casualty disaster can be allowed to slip though, martial law declared and the above ideal established across the Nation. Having abandoned its progressive base and put all its eggs in the corporate-centrist basket case that is Barack Obama, the Democratic Party finds itself removed from power when their sole representative is conveniently assassinated by a “lone gunman.” After basic practice in the Weimar Republic and Kennedy Era America, it’s almost automatic, it’s so easy.

This national devolution could be seen as payback for Slave Power’s defeat during the American Civil War, at the hands of its ideological successors. Then again, the art of governing consists in keeping psychopaths and sociopaths (4% and 1% respectively of the human population) under marginal control for as long as possible. The tragedy of government is that it will be taken over by them, sooner or later, at which point their runaway greed and injustice will beget insurrection and mass anarchy. Paradoxically, not so much because sociopaths are greedy, but because they are bored, and the misery of mass anarchy is the most diverting condition they can create for themselves and their 95 percentage of victims.

However, if you’re part of the Republican corporate confraternity of slave/raw material exploiters, maximum security, plush comfort and privatized services within small, fortified enclaves defended by contract mercenaries and located at the center of these exploitation zones. These “gated communities” linked by private or charter air, and exploitation zones linked to the nearest urban area with its manufacturing and trans-shipment infrastructure.

Everyone in the country is just begging to be their slave for a less than minimum wage. Elsewhere, as much chaos as mismanagement and propaganda can produce. The populace ripped apart along ethnic, racial and religious lines, and jumped on by what’s left of the Army whenever it coheres into a viable community or insurgency.

As for those who claim this cannot happen because it “is not economically viable,” show me a major U.S. policy in the last thirty years that benefited the country and not its corporate parasites at the nation’s expense.

 

SEO IN KENT

6:12 PM ET

August 19, 2011

REduce tax on business

If we reduce tax on businesses then this will encourage trade, its small steps like this which will give people more oppurtunities and the ability to trade more easily my bb gun shop is seriously difficult right now as it seen as hobby, when recession is in no ones worries about their bobbies anymore.

 

DR. SARDONICUS

8:07 PM ET

August 19, 2011

Paid taxes encourage more trade

I will try to keep this simple, so please bear with me.

There are certain unavoidable overheads in your life. For example, you could get richer by avoiding grocery bills, but then you would starve to death.

There are certain unavoidable overheads in civilization. You could get richer by avoiding taxes, but then you wouldn’t benefit from a thousand and one privileges and services that taxes pay for, a very few of which I lamented in describing Banana Republican America-turned-Congo.

So choose: pay your grocery bills and your taxes and sell bb guns to your heart’s content, or don’t and don’t expect any viable business to come along in the absence of a well-funded civilization. Get in line, grow vegetables and pawn your junk instead.

Besides, the people I intend to tax make and break people like you and me by the city-full before they finish their breakfast grapefruit. You and people like you keep mistaking yourselves for billionaires who pay no taxes whatsoever, who dodge them at your expense and laugh at you all the way to the bank.

 

DR. SARDONICUS

6:45 PM ET

August 19, 2011

Correction and addendum

Psychopaths: 1% of the human population

Sociopaths: 4%; males 3%, females 1%

And all this with full Christian trimmings, inviting the End Times by manufacturing them. Alleluia!

 

IDIOTPRAYER84

3:22 PM ET

August 20, 2011

Empty tool bag

Keynes argued that the government should run a deficit during an economic contraction, but payoff that debt when the economy grew and returned to full employment. I don't think Keynes ever argued that the government should spend irresponsibly like we have in the past 30 years. When the economy was in decent shape in the 2000s, the Bush Administration enacted two massive tax cuts, an increase in entitlement spending with Medicare Part D, and two wars. If Bush would have used that money to continue paying off the debt, we would be in a position to enact Keynesian policies to stimulate out economy. How you would stimulate the economy is a different argument altogether. The problem isn't the deficit during a depressed economy, the problem was we were running deficits during better times, now we don't have the tools to keep demand up through deficit spending while the private sector pays off its debt that accumulated during the credit bubble.

 

DAVEMCLANE

8:50 PM ET

August 20, 2011

Could use a bit more detail

"The former know only that they are no longer willing to lend, the latter that they are no longer willing to borrow." pretty well sums up the current situation and the difference between public debt and private debt definitely a major part of the mix.

However, if I remember right, the public debt for WW I was carried by J.P. Morgan, and the public debt for WW II was carried -- at least partly -- by people within the U.S. But a major part of the current public debt is carried by China and Japan.

What's particularly interesting is that the Japanese government is deeply in debt but to those within Japan while it carries other countries debts.

Hard to know which end is up but as you say, "One thing seems clear: For the first time in decades, borrowing will not form part of the solution."

 

IMANT

2:08 AM ET

August 22, 2011

Ok, now I'm scared

I've just graduated from the unviersity and I'm looking for my way in this life. But what is happening really terrifies me, the history of the Great Depression seems so far away, but at the same time I understand that it can happen today just like it happened 80 years ago. It seems that the world has tricked itself and got into such a mess that there is no way out, except starting over, which is almost impossible of course. This state of uncertainty is really scaring and it is scary not only to step into this huge world, but it is scary to start a family as you are not sure in what world your child will be living.
bankruptcyautoloans

 

CADILLACTIGHT

5:47 AM ET

August 28, 2011

Stop wars and see the results

I guess wars should be stoped and money must be spent on USA instead of blowing up middle east and then taking responsibility to build again. Thats the way list

 

MADCLIVE

12:51 PM ET

September 15, 2011

World's public debt crisis

An interesting topic and article on world's public debt crisis . Good points made above, I agree with some of them. Cheers for taking the time to write your article. It's nice to read and learn new things on subjects I wouldn't normally read about. Regards, Mad DJs Clive.

 

LEEANNA270

9:08 PM ET

September 16, 2011

Life After Debt

In this month's market upheavals in the United States and Europe, we are witnessing the end of a seven-decade economic experiment. But does anyone have any clue what comes next? "But does anyone have any clue what comes next? " Why are you mentioning retrenchments associated with war? Isn't it obvious what comes next? War. America, Europe and Japan are in a pre-collapse state. Russia and China are in a pre-collapse state. The Middle East is in a collapse state. It looks to me like a big part of the world wants to collapse in one way or another. That means war. The histori learn more I will try to keep this simple, so please bear with me. There are certain unavoidable overheads in your life. For example, you could get richer by avoiding grocery bills, but then you would starve to death. There are certain unavoidable overheads in civilization. You could get richer by avoiding taxes, but then you wouldn’t benefit from a thousand and one privileges and services that taxes pay for

 

EGISTUBAGUS

8:04 AM ET

September 17, 2011

the world's public debt crisis, has come to boil

Over the past few weeks, the world's public debt crisis, simmering for months, has come to the boil. When the problems were confined to small countries such as Greece and Ireland, it was assumed that any fallout could be contained. Now, however, the crisis has threatened to engulf nearly everyone. The high-wire confrontation over the debt ceiling in the U.S. Congress raised the prospect of a default by the world's biggest borrower. At the same time, the markets turned their attention to Italy, the eurozone's third-largest economy and the world's fourth-biggest debtor, threatening to raise its borrowing costs to unaffordable levels, or even to cut off its access to funds. The two crises differed in many ways -- not least in that America's borrowing costs fell while Italy's rose -- but the outcomes were similar in one respect: both countries have enacted plans to sharply cut their budget deficits.
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EGISTUBAGUS

8:04 AM ET

September 17, 2011

the crisis has threatened to engulf nearly everyone.

When the problems were confined to small countries such as Greece and Ireland, it was assumed that any fallout could be contained. Now, however, the crisis has threatened to engulf nearly everyone. The high-wire confrontation over the debt ceiling in the U.S. Congress raised the prospect of a default by the world's biggest borrower. At the same time, the markets turned their attention to Italy, the eurozone's third-largest economy and the world's fourth-biggest debtor, threatening to raise its borrowing costs to unaffordable levels, or even to cut off its access to funds. The two crises differed in many ways -- not least in that America's borrowing costs fell while Italy's rose -- but the outcomes were similar in one respect: both countries have enacted plans to sharply cut their budget deficits.gedehumidifier, lgdehumidifier, santafedehumidifier soleusdehumidifier, / soleusdehumidifier, /rubbermaidtrashcans, simplehumantrashcan, simplehumantrashcan/ boschcoffeemaker, topratedcoffeemakers,

 

PETERBEXLEY

12:24 PM ET

September 17, 2011

Crisis

Just read the article. I found it very informative and agree with posts and points made above. Peter.

 

ALEXTOYO

7:04 PM ET

September 17, 2011

Is it really possible?

With the way things are going, quite honestly I think none of us will have life after debt as we live in a world of credit.

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