Mexican Roulette

A deadly gun-running gamble just cost America's ATF chief his job. But the gun lobby gave him little choice but to try.

BY JAMES VERINI | AUGUST 30, 2011

Until this year, the worst episode in the history of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives came in 1993, when the ATF raided cult leader David Koresh's Branch Davidian compound. That raid led to a 50-day standoff that ended with the deaths of 83 Davidians and provided endless fodder for anti-government types (Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh among them), the gun lobby, and Republican lawmakers, who overtook Congress the next year on a wave of anti-Washington resentment. Although it was the FBI that oversaw the final siege of the compound, and although four of its agents were killed in the shootout, the ATF took most of the blame. A board member of the National Rifle Association (NRA) wrote, in a letter to then Attorney General Janet Reno, "If you send your jack-booted baby-burning bushwhackers to confiscate my guns, pack them a lunch; it will be a damned long day. The Branch Davidians were amateurs; I'm a professional." By jackbooted, baby-burning bushwhackers he meant, of course, ATF agents.

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The guns of the U.S.-Mexico border

Bad as 1993 was politically for the ATF, 2011 has been worse. In January, it came out that a U.S. Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, killed in Arizona in December, was shot with an AK-47 purchased at a gun store near Phoenix by someone under ATF surveillance. Since this spring, Congress has been looking into the investigation that monitored that sale and others like it. Operation Fast and Furious, as it was infelicitously known, was aimed at dismantling a gunrunning ring smuggling weapons from the United States to the Sinaloa drug cartel in Mexico. It was an interagency investigation involving not just the ATF, but also the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the FBI, the Arizona U.S. attorney's office, and the Justice Department. It was carried out with the knowledge of the National Security Council.

But the ATF is, once again, taking the heat. On Tuesday, Aug. 30, ATF acting director Kenneth E. Melson and Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke were forced out over the scandal, according to the New York Times. All other major newspapers and networks have covered the controversy, mostly breathlessly and with a marked lack of context. Fox News and its Internet echo chambers would have you believe they're on the trail of a major coverup. And the NRA is, to no one's surprise, having a ball. As recently as February, NRA Director Wayne LaPierre blasted "the phony claim that armed violence committed by Mexican drug cartels on Mexican soil is fueled by guns obtained from federally licensed retailers in border states." Now, amazingly, LaPierre tells news organizations that cross-border gun-trafficking does exist -- only, it's the government that's responsible for it.

"The largest gunrunning operation in history into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels has been conducted by the Obama administration's Justice Department," he said.

Only slightly less shameful than his self-serving cant were hearings held in late July, in which House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa dragged ATF agents over the coals -- or attempted to. Even by the farcical standards of congressional hearings, these were useless. Not that it mattered. The point, after all, was not to figure out how Fast and Furious went wrong (if indeed it did, a contention not necessarily proved by Terry's death), but to embarrass the ATF. How else to explain why no officials from its partner agencies were called to testify? And how else to justify calling no fewer than three members of the Terry family, whose testimony, while heart-breaking, had no bearing on the details of the investigation?

It does the Terrys no more a service than it does Washington to skirt a substantive debate of Fast and Furious. Whatever its flaws, the program marked a major and welcome shift in the federal government's attempts to combat border gun-trafficking -- a fact not even its creators are willing to admit to now.

I spent much of early 2008 investigating arms-trafficking across the border for an article for Conde Nast Portfolio. I passed many hours with ATF agents in Arizona and Texas, interviewing them and attending gun shows with them. I also spent time at the smuggling routes on the border and in northern Mexico. What I found would have been more frightening had it not been so galling: on the one hand a huge gunrunning market that led directly to the deaths of thousands of Mexicans, and not a few Americans; and on the other a law enforcement agency trying to stop it with one hand tied behind its back. The problem was not that ATF agents weren't dedicated and smart -- many were -- but that they were prey to absurd congressional stipulations urged, most vociferously, by the NRA.

GUILLERMO LEGARIA/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS: NORTH AMERICA
 

James Verini is a writer based in New York.

JOEYFOTO.FR

11:14 PM ET

August 30, 2011

The Fruit of Stupidity...jt

Of all of the international conflicts that America has entered into blindly and with insufficient cultural competence, drug war is the dumbest.

These gangs and their border wars are the predictable fruit of that stupidity.

As my friend and colleague, Leonard Wolf, would say:
"This is the story of all of our lives... We live and we do not learn."

 

RFISHER19

8:05 AM ET

August 31, 2011

"slow & stupid"

slow & stupid, not fast & furious, thanks to the NRA and the Congressmen in their pocket

 

NEILFLYNN

7:57 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Fast and furious

Do you even understand what happened here? BATFE forced gun dealers to illegally sell thousands of guns to straw buyers who were then allowed to hand them over to the drug cartels. That's it. That was the whole plan. There was no surveillance, no tracking, no nothing. And if an American border patrol agent didn't get shot, these idiots at justice would still be doing it. How was that ever in a million years either a good idea, or remotely related to the NRA?

 

BERKELEY JOE

9:41 PM ET

September 1, 2011

think why does the NRA fight the ATF?

Verini painted such a victim portrait of well meaning ATF organization, whose only intention was protecting the American people. Bah. Talk to any gun store owner who's constant harassed by moronic inspections of records and getting dinged when i is not crossed... there are too many ATF agents doing far too meaningless work spending far too many tax dollars, mostly attacking joe bloe law abiding citizens who like to plink at steel targets. Yeah, big threat to homeland security. So what if they have 20 guns in a collection... 99.999% of the time they collect rust in a safe. Big deal.

And as for Op Last and Spurious, just a stupid stupid idea. Any kid could tell you the guns would get lost in the maelstorm. It's just plain a bad bad idea, as it so turned out.

The author, as usual with liberal Machiavellians, did a transparent job of hyping one side of the story. It's crap.

 

DANIEL TODD

7:10 PM ET

September 15, 2011

The NRA controls politicians

I'm a former FFL and the ATF cannot force FFLs to sell guns. Unscrupulous and greedy gun dealers choose to go along because they stand to make tons of money. I can't tell you how many shady deals I have seen at gun shows and guns store. All this while hiding behind our right to bear arms, what a load of crap. This country is going down the toilet while we pursue the dollar. The ATF has never had a fighting chance. All you hear are athe times the ATF hassled underhanded dealers who failed to maintain their records. Their fault, not the ATFs. I can say they helped after my business was held up and my family and I were beaten and my firearm inventory was stolen. Here's a bulletin, every profession has bad people who make bad decisions. Educate yourselfs before posting unintelligent drivel.

 

DAVEMCLANE

9:07 AM ET

August 31, 2011

Partly truth, Partly (emotional) fiction

First, the Second Amendment, and it's interpretation by the Supreme Court, allows U.S. Citizens to have guns and some people have many, especially collectors.

Second, unless you have a special, hard-to-get, and expensive license, an ordinary citizen cannot purchase an AK-47 which is a fully automatic weapon as are many of the weapons used by the military as is the AR-16. What you can purchase is a weapon that looks like an AK-47, such as the AR-15, a SLR-101s or various squirt guns (Google "Amazon AK-47 squirt gun") all of which are styled as "assault weapons".

Third, in addition to having a photo ID, gun sales through dealers are accompanied by a background check and a record of who bought what. For unknown reasons, these are not required at gun shows.

Forth, from what I've read elsewhere, under BATFE's "Fast and Furious" the gun shops along the Mexican Border were required to report sales of multiple weapons and then told to "let the guns walk" so the guns could be traced. This turned out to be not such a good idea.

Fifth, as for gun-trafficking, I'm not sure what the law is. What I do know is that in my trips to Canada or Mexico I've never been inspected for anything while I have been seriously inspected when entering Canada and not so seriously inspected when entering Mexico. Thus I can't help but wonder if there is any law against taking guns to those countries.

Last, but perhaps should be first, what's left out is the question of where do people in Mexico get the money to buy all those guns? If you read "An American Drug Lord" in the September 1, 2011 issue of Rolling Stone, you get get an idea: by selling drugs to Americans in America.

The main character is Edgar Valdez who as one point reported drove two tons of cocaine into the U.S. With money like that ready to be made guns are just the tip of the iceberg and the amount of money assigned to stop gun-trafficking and drug-running is fool's gold.

One might even begin to think that this is just a re-run of prohibition.

 

BIG SAL

9:43 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Guns

The model is the M-16 which is used by the American military not an AR-16. It was designed by Eugene Stoner in the mid-1950's. The AR-15 is the semi-auto version of the M-16. The AK-47 is a Russian weapon designed by Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov. A soviet Army tank commander during World War II.
The M-16/AR-15 look NOTHING like the AK-47. The AK-47 was model after the ORIGINAL German assualt rifle that fired a cut down version of the 8 MM (7.92) Mauser cartridge.
The AK-47 uses the 7.62 X 39 cartridge. The M-16/AR-15 uses the 5.56 MM cartridge.

I wish people would know what they are talking about before they type it.

 

WILDMAN7316

10:51 AM ET

September 13, 2011

Gun Show "Exemption"

Obviously you have never bought a Firearm from a Licensed Dealer at a Gun Show. Because if you had you would have filled out the Paperwork and gone through the "InstaCheck". The "Gun Show Exemption" might just as well be called the Want Ad Exemption or the Classified As Exemption. An Individual is not required to do the same Paperwork or make the same Checks as a Registered Dealer. I for One do not want to have to be subject to Governmental Scrutiny just because I gave kid a .22 rifle for their birthday.

 

BENPANGAGXX

7:37 AM ET

September 23, 2011

that is so true

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SAMMUEL7

2:01 PM ET

September 29, 2011

you got that right. Last, but

you got that right. Last, but perhaps should be first, what's left out is the question of where do people in Mexico get the money to buy all those guns? If you read "An American Drug Lord" in the September 1, 2011 issue of Rolling Stone, you get get an idea: by selling drugs to Americans in America.

The main character is Edgar Valdez who as one point reported drove two tons of cocaine into the U.S. With money like that ready to be made guns are just the tip of the iceberg and the amount of money assigned to stop gun-trafficking and drug-running is fool's gold.

One might even begin to think that this is just a re-run of prohibition.
Phoenix roofing

 

FORLORNEHOPE

9:56 AM ET

August 31, 2011

Failed State

What do you call a nation whose failure to enforce its own laws on narcotics and gun control causes tens of thousands of murders in its neighbours? Normally you would call it a failed state, however, in this case it would appear to be the United States. Who could blame the Mexican government if it sent agents to take out "the bad guys" in the US, starting, perhaps, with the leadership of the NRA? After all, that's what the US of A does in Pakistan.

 

DAVEMCLANE

10:24 AM ET

August 31, 2011

Opps, Partly truth, Partly (emotional) fiction

I meant to say M-16, not AR-16.

 

JANKLOW

11:55 AM ET

August 31, 2011

of course, i would expect

of course, i would expect that an author who prides himself on having studied the topic would know that blanket statements like "anyone without a criminal record can legally purchase as many rifles and other long guns as they want in the United States" are not entirely accurate.

but then i guess that's not the point...

 

MILQUETOAST

8:47 AM ET

September 7, 2011

author's assertions vs the numbers

"Lawmakers ...have seen to it that the agency is as understaffed and underfunded as possible. Between 1973, when the ATF was founded, and 1998, the number of field agents increased by nine. Nine agents."

http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/0311-historical-profile.pdf

I wondered why 1998? You could have chosen the nadir 1987 when the ATF saw a reduction in special agents by 442 or you could have chosen 1993 which had an increase of 317 agents over 1973. Instead, 1998 was chosen. 1998 was the year with the lowest number of agents in the last 20 years (1990-2010)

I think numbers that aren't over a decade out of date are superior. In 2010, the ATF has over 1000 more employees than in 1973 and 886 more special agents than in 1973.

In inflation adjusted dollars between 1975 and 1998 the ATF budget more than doubled from $361.9 million to $765.7 million (in 2010 dollars per the bls calculator). Perhaps, at times, the ATF bureaucracy spends money on the ATF bureaucracy instead of it's core mission.

The ATF budget has tripled between 1973 and 2010 ($361.9 million in inflation adjusted dollars to $1,114.7 million).

 

MILQUETOAST

10:09 AM ET

September 7, 2011

FYI on the internet, people can look things up

As underfunded as possible = tripling the budget in inflation adjusted dollars LOL

 

NORMANCLATURE

10:25 AM ET

September 15, 2011

Whats your point?

As long as someone is not a prohibited person (convicted felon, adjudicated mental defective, known drug user, non-us citizen, dishonorably discharged from military etc), they CAN purchase as many rifles and other long guns as they want in the United States

 

JILLTAPYAXX

5:04 AM ET

September 23, 2011

funny

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SAMMUEL7

2:01 PM ET

September 29, 2011

 

RMDUENAS

1:59 PM ET

August 31, 2011

Good try, but I do not buy it

The objective of Fast and Furious was to let the "guns walk" in order to trace them. It would make sense if the guns were to "walk" inside the US, but everybody (all agencies involved) knew darn well that the guns were going into Mexico. As far as I know, the agencies involved still have no power or authority on Mexican soil. Plus, they did not even alert the Mexican government, so one cannot help but wonder how on earth were they planning to "follow" the guns? Did they put a GPS on all of them?

As much as I dislike the NRA, I feel no sympathy whatsoever for the ATF. Many Mexicans believe that the truth behind all this is that the drug money was able to buy many officers, from the border all the way to DC, and that is how and why Fast and Furious came to life.

 

BURBANITE

3:46 PM ET

August 31, 2011

Another article written by

Another article written by someone who knows nothing about the situation. Son, you got most of the facts wrong, you should try actually doing some real research instead of just using Google to data mine for talking points.

If you really knew your stuff, had valid, verifiable evidence and wanted to state your opinion based on that then I could respect it but you sound just like every other anti gun nut, full of lies and deceit.

Newell, Melson, McMahon, Breuer and the rest of those murderers lied to a Congressional committee and perjured themselves. They are personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people including BP Agent Terry and ICE Agent Zapata.

You obviously care as much about these people being dead as do the scum who perpetrated this scheme.

 

NORMANCLATURE

10:29 AM ET

September 15, 2011

Lied???

Tell me how did you come by all this inside information Burbanite? Where are your facts to back up your claim that they lied to Congress?

 

JASONSTALDER

4:19 PM ET

August 31, 2011

Really?

Just so that we're clear:

According to the article the head of the ATF was really forced out of office because of the politically charged environment surrounding work at the ATF. Really? Of course it couldn't be that the operation was ordered higher up in the DOJ and the man scapegoated. Let's just remember for a moment that he was the head of the agency for years and years. I find it a little difficult to believe the big bad NRA is to blame for the current fiasco. And of course the gun lobby has influenced legislation to prevent more national firearms statutes; that doesn't mean the NRA is backing illegal gun runners. They simply want to defend law abiding citizens rights to purchase, own, and possess guns.

Secondly, the author makes some really bold conclusions and obviously interjects opinions that are curious to say the least. People buying more than one gun is apparently unbelievable. People who are willing to physically defend their right to bear arms in the wake of one of the nation's biggest law enforcement blunders are represented as facists. And the limitations of Arizona and Texas' firearms statutes are apparently representative of the whole nation. This is all silly.

Yes, the ATF is underfunded as is the DOJ and ICE. That doesn't mean they're victims of some pro-gun conspiracy. Guns aren't going away; crime isn't going away. While we should obviously work to stop the violence on the border, I have a hard time believing the NRA is to blame. I know guns are a polarizing issue- as is everything these days. But what people truly need to realize is that guns aren't going away. We have to embrace people's rights and work with them to make sure those rights aren't abused by criminals. Unfortunately, liberals demonize gun-owners and gun-owners threaten to go survivor man on the liberals. Is there no room for something that is reasonable that still protects freedom?

 

DAVEMCLANE

4:41 PM ET

August 31, 2011

NRA isn't so big and bad

For many years I thought the NRA was what people like this author said it was. But then I moved to a small town in AZ and met NRA members and they seemed quite sane and reasonable, although they definitely wanted to keep their guns.

After having to deal with surprise visits from rattlesnakes and javelina plus the fact that if somebody tried to break in the nearest police were an hour away, I bought a few guns for self defense, and took the Concealed Weapon Training that was required at the time.

More recently I signed up as a member of the NRA to get their monthly newsletter. The main emphasis was the Second Amendment and how to keep it from being diluted. There have been quite a few down to earth reports on how the BATF operated in "Fast and Furious" and how it didn't work. Those have been the mainstays along with gun reviews, articles on historic guns, etc.

However, what I find missing is any kind of training on how negotiate arguments without resorting to arms although that was covered at length in the Concealed Weapon Training. Whatever reason you for using your gun, you are not in a position to determine if it was self-defense or not: that's up to the courts so use your gun only as a last resort.

 

COMRADEV

9:34 AM ET

September 7, 2011

I wish I could believe such a

I wish I could believe such a moderate, well-informed, rational, reasonable and responsible discussion on crime control/ crime prevention could be discussed but it seems every issue, to include firearms, is politicized and made to be partisan for a show performance to inflame the public rather than enlighten them.

on the specific issue of gun control/gun rights however, every time gun control advocates step up to the plate to bat for their team, instead of hitting us with facts, the prefer hyperbole, appeals to emotion, anecdotes, and other interesting albeit often irrelevant information often using flawed research methodology to justify the further expansion of the government's power of guns.

Perhaps this stems from the weakness that their arguments are based on.

Sadly it seems any serious issue that the public can be divided on will be used for showmanship as to cover up the important decisions that the power brokers don't want us to understand or see.

 

CWHUNBUN

5:20 PM ET

August 31, 2011

Get your facts straight ....

The NRA has nothing to do with "gunwalking" this was government sanctioned guns to Mexico to the drug cartels PERIOD! The string of moves to protected positions and forced resignations are just the tip of the Iceberg. I will be sure to tell Brian Terry's family and friends what side of the fence you are on this as he was armed with beanbag rounds when he was killed with a gun that the US ALLOWED to go into the hands of the drug cartels. Info for you only a few guns had tracking devises in them, ATF had NO jurisdiction in Mexico and Mexico was NEVER informed of this operation! If that does not sound like the biggest felonies act and cover-up to you .... you are blinded by your Anti-gun rhetoric.

 

BROLIN1911A1

8:58 PM ET

August 31, 2011

Mix of Facts and Bovine Byproduct

This entire article is a fabulous mix of fact, fiction, and enough spin to make a tilt-a-whirl envious. The quote at the beginning was by a man who, true, did go on to be an NRA board member. But at the time he said that he was just a lieutenant with the Cincinnati, OH police department, Lt. Harry Thomas.

As for the "Operation Fast and Furious," testimony before Rep. Issa's committee has already established that there was NO attempt to trace those guns after they were sold and that supervisors were positively gleeful whenever one of those guns was found to have been used in a crime. The operation began after the Obama administration was caught in a major exaggeration if not outright lie, claiming falsely that Mexican crime guns were originating with sales by legal US dealers.

The entire operation appears to be nothing but an attempt to pump up the numbers of guns traceable back to those dealers in order to justify gun control by fiat efforts. And this entire article appears to be little more than an attempt to put a positive "spin" on that operation and to blame the NRA for the fact that the criminal acts of the BATFE supervisors and their superiors is being exposed.

 

BROLIN1911A1

9:09 PM ET

August 31, 2011

The Full Harry Thomas "Pack a Lunch Speech"

This is the speech from which Mr. Verini excerpted those lines about jackbooted thugs. http://www.fortbradford.com/harry.htm

I love the ending. I don't think that speech by Patrick Henry, or even who Patrick Henry was, is taught to America's school children anymore.

The ending of that speech:

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!"

Have we fallen so far as a nation that organizations such as the NRA must be demonized for echoing those sentiments?

 

JOHNNY GEE

7:52 AM ET

September 1, 2011

Somethings rotten in washington

Is this the same Sinoloa cartel that the gonernment is allowing to bring cocaine into the USA if they supply data on the other drug cartels?
Funny thing-when I was studying criminal justice we always had an endgame
for sting operations.Someone here seemed to forget that you have to track these
weapons , and have a way to recover them. This sound more like hiding sales of weapons to the cartels than any law enforcement operation.

 

JOHNNY GEE

8:00 AM ET

September 1, 2011

NSC

I see you also say that the National Security Council was aware of this? Say! isn't the President the head of the national security council? I distinctly remember the speach where he says that neither he nor Eric Holder had any knowledge of this. Very Interesting.

 

TIM1989

3:33 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Using less deadly weapons

I wish every country wouldn't use such deadly weapons. It's crazy seeing how many people die to gunfire each year all around the world. I notice in India they use ghost pepper which is a very hotter pepper to make weapons out of, instead of using guns and all those deadly bombs they use now. Deadly weapons will probably be around forever but it just seems like something that could be fixed over a long period of time.

 

EVO1

7:59 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Do some fact-checking (or at least include some facts)

Virtually nothing in this article is true, except that the ATF ran an operation called Fast and Furious, and that it was a disaster.

The first, most blatant, and most critical falsehood, is that there was ever a gun-running problem in the first place to justify the operation. Despite all the untrue statements about the numbers of guns crossing the border, the only actual US government report on the topic, which can be found on the GAO website, makes it clear that the number of guns coming from US gun stores is minuscule. There is no other official government report that refutes this fact. And at the end of that report is an attached letter by Homeland Security where they actually warn that the wording of some parts of the report could sound, if the reader wasn't careful (or ethical), to draw the conclusion that there was a problem when there obviously is not.

Since this report was made very public, because of untrue statements made about the subject by Clinton and Obama which got people to respond by publicizing the report, there's no excuse for the ATF launching this operation in the first place. They KNEW that gun-running was not a problem that needed any intervention, let alone something as idiotic as Fast and Furious.

Second, in what country do you live where gun-running isn't illegal? In the US we have the Arms Control Act, which specifies a 10 year sentence for each incident of smuggling a gun into a foreign country.

There are virtually no "kitchen table" gun dealers, and certainly none selling out of cars, as this would be ILLEGAL. Gun dealers may only receive a dealer license if it is tied directly to their place of business, which much be zoned for the business of selling guns. Unless your house is zoned commercial, you can't sell from there, and your car isn't capable of being zoned, so selling from you car would be a federal felony.

What is with you morons who can't accept the obvious truth about this operation? The documents are out there on government websites for anyone to see. The GAO report makes it clear that before this started the administration knew there was no significant gun-running occurring. Despite this, Hillary Clinton got up in front of Congress and misstated the findings of that report in exactly the way the Homeland Security letter at its end warns someone might do. Obama later did the same in a number of public speeches. They got called out on their lies, and the ATF starts actually aiding in the smuggling of guns in a way that would support the administrations lies once they started showing up at crime scenes. First the gun dealers themselves, and then the field agents, began warning the ATF higher-ups that these guns were going to criminals and would eventually get Americans killed. An American federal agent then was in fact killed with one of these guns. The ATF tried to cover that up, but these "inexperienced" field agents blew the whistle. The ATF tried to lie about the operation. Then the Justice Department lied about their knowledge/involvement. Then the White House lied about its knowledge/involvement. Then we find that so many of these ATF agents are so "inexperienced" that dozens are going behind their superiors' backs and turning in documents to Congress that show that the ATF was involved in the daily operation from the very top down, the Justice Department was involved from the top down, and the White House was involved, probably from the top down as well. And it's all DOCUMENTED. Despite pathetic attempts such as the one by this author, none of it is deniable, because we already have their emails and memos showing that they were all involved, and they all lied about it. Not only that, we have documents showing that they were also planning to use the operation not to catch cartel members, but to justify gun control laws in this country that they couldn't justify based on the facts.

 

SAGOODLIFE

9:14 PM ET

September 1, 2011

"The U.S. government keeps

"The U.S. government keeps track of everyone who owns a car or a house, but not a gun" That's because cars and houses don't protect citizens from criminals or tyranny-guns do. Check history, and check current events. You don't oust oppressive dictators by firing cars at them. Nor do you protect your family from criminals by showing them the deed to your home. And no, the police can't protect you-they can only respond when something has already happened. You may disagree; my Second Amendment protects that right and all of your other rights should they become "politically incorrect." National registration is nothing more than a predecessor to eventual confiscation, and the collapse of all of those freedoms.
As to the BATFE, it's amazing to me that anybody feels any form of trust in them, given their history of abuse of power. Those in charge of this particular disastrous operation should be PROSECUTED just as any other criminal who violates the hundreds and hundreds of existing firearms laws.

 

229MICK

9:30 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Just wow

This story is clearly written for dumb people, who haven't done ANY research and are just looking for someone to tell them what to 'think'.

The fact of the matter are that the federal government engaged in a program where they intentionally sent guns across the border to Mexican drug dealers.

That's a fact.

You can choose to believe that they did that FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, or you can believe that they did it to support the ridiculous claim that Mexican criminals are getting their guns from gun shops in the US.

When you combine that with the fact that obama told James Bradey that he was working on gun control 'under the radar', it's not a stretch to believe that this whole criminal escapade is designed to support that claim.

To then claim that this is all the NRA's fault is just pathetic. If that's all you've got left to try, I think you're done.

 

THETRUTHBRINGER

9:38 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Incorrect

"All you need is money and identification showing you're over 18 years old."

Not correct and you know it. I'd correct the writer but I believe he's quite familiar with the further requirement or requirements regarding long gun purchases.

Given that inaccuracy, the rest of the piece becomes suspect as to accuracy and the veracity of the claims made in it.

 

DREDD

9:50 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Pathetic writing....

The author of this smear piece is a regular on NPR, yet fails to mention his obvious bias toward anyone pointing out a mistake made by a democrat administration.

One has to wonder just how much money he made for attempting this ill -informed and pathetic piece of propaganda. The author has only proven that he obviously supports and loves fascism, just as long as it's the democrats who are responsible for it.

One also has to wonder if the author has enough intelligence to know that by this lame attempt to blame the same people who are trying to investigate yet another murderous act by a democrat administration, he has only revealed the guilt of those who are REALLY in charge of this mess like Eric Holder and even the National Security Council.

Thanks for proving what we already know, Mr. Virini... that given enough rope, democrats will always hang themselves with it and that leftwingnuts like yourself could care less about the murders of 83 innocent Davidians, or even our Border Patrol agents when it comes election time.

The democrats should ask for their money back.

 

JOHN SKOOKUM

10:06 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Pathetic excuse mongering

Congress prohibits the ATF from employing many basic tools of modern law enforcement. For instance, it is forbidden from creating a national registry of guns or gun owners. The U.S. government keeps track of everyone who owns a car or a house, but not a gun

False. State and local governments are responsible for keeping track of houses and cars. Moreover, if you drive a car on your own property, there is no need to register it at any level of government. States are also free to register guns if they so choose, so long as they do not ban them outright. The Federal government is not free to do this under the terms of the Constitution, and long may it remain so.

There is a reason that the Feds are thus hamstrung. It is because the Founding Fathers knew that the most evil people in any society are drawn to governmental power like moths to flame. They wanted to ensure-- in the immortal words of Admiral Yamamoto-- a rifle behind every blade of grass, so that the government worshipers could never impose their vision of an orderly society on the rest of us.

I'm not persuaded yet that Operation Fast & Furious was a deliberate attempt to get around this. I think it can be adequately explained by gross incompetence on a scale rarely seen even in government, which is really saying something. But that is what Congressional investigations are for. I look forward to a proctoscopic examination of how this happened, and hope that it will end the careers of a good many gun-banners in the Obama administration.

 

VET66

10:32 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Bunch of BS from a typical gun hater

We have a constitution in this country moron, and that constitution protects the rights of the people from an out of control government and it's JACKBOOTED BROWN SHIRT THUGS.

The ATF acts a rogue agency, conducting an ILLEGAL operation that lead to the death of a federal agent along with thousands of Mexicans and this is the NRAs fault? Are you for real? Are really that stupid? Take your lefest utopia blinders off and put aside your anti constitutional rights bias, and then maybe, just maybe, you can be taken serious in what you write.

This story is absolute CRAP based on no facts, and only the anti gun slant of the author.
It's no wonder that people like this author are among the LEAST trusted people in America today. Lie after lie, what a disgrace you are to your profession.

 

DREDD

10:45 PM ET

September 1, 2011

Also...

It's also painfully obvious that Foreign Policy magazine is nothing but a paid-for mouthpiece for this criminal administration.

Mr. Verini did a good job showing us how to get published in a state-controlled magazine, even when your article has nothing to to whatsoever with the alleged purpose, or even title of the rag...

Good little writing slave. He must be SO proud of himrself.

 

OLDPUPPYMAX

11:10 AM ET

September 2, 2011

Let's all shill for the Regime

Thousands of weapons were knowingly sold to straw purchasers for Mexican dug cartels, deliberately walked across the border into the waiting arms of the most violent people on earth and the author is telling us it was all the fault of the NRA and the Constitution of the United States!!!!

The Obama Regime is blameless for this concerted effort to undermine the 2nd amendment rights of the American people.

Correcting the ludicrous claims and incredible misstatements in this article would require days!

So I'll point out just one little errant piece of reporting. The Sineloa drug cartel has been in the employ of the United States government since 2009! These incredible thugs struck a deal with Obama's DOJ--an equally perverse group of thugs--whereby the cartel would have free reign to peddle its merchandise in the United States in return for information leading the interdiction and arrest of members of other Mexican cartels. And ATF director Ken Melson testified he knew nothing about this little arrangement! But then, he was in good company...the Mexican government knew nothing about it either, as the FBI supplied info to Sineloa members helping them avoid arrest by Mexican officials!! The link below will provide the story which the author either knew nothing about, or believed might not reflect very well on king Barack.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/05/americas-third-wardid-us-cut-deal-with-sinaloa-cartel/

In any event, if you are hell bent on shilling for your guy in the White House Mr. V., please have the decency to not insult the intelligence of the reader.

 

ANAN

7:07 AM ET

September 10, 2011

Nab the Guns Fast and Furiously!

In one way or the other, thousands of rifles and ammunition being used by the drug cartels in Mexico have found their way from U.S alone. The fact that there is no regularized market for weapons and that the relevant information has not been put into a database is making it easy for the gun-traffickers to sell them across the border illegally. Till now, all the measures taken up by the government to curb drug-trafficking have been natural anti inflammatory methods that didn’t really help in stopping their trade at all. Operations like Fast and Furious should be given special powers to deal the drug-traffickers with a strong hand.

 

REBEL-1

10:03 PM ET

September 13, 2011

Even the unnecessary deaths of our Law Enforcement Officers is

In a day in which EVERY Government run program is breaking down, failing, and going broke, there are still people that think we need MORE Government interference in our lives? What a joke!

There is NO excuse for purposely breaking international laws AND our own! This was NOTHING but a politically based operation to build support for guns laws "we are working on in the back room."

If we ACTUALLY enforced our laws, we would have FEWER criminals on the streets and even fewer offenders in public office. But we have forgiven while color crimes for a long time to those with connections, now we don't even enforce such henious acts as murder consistently.

Sir, more attacks on law abiding citizens is NOT the answer! Nor is more Government programs as they will simply run up our debt even more while heading down the toilet to failure. Remember the recent project by the IRS to upgrade their computer systems? A great example of a waste of several years and multi-years of wasted millions only to be scrapped as unworkable and incomplete.

You may be phobic about this topic but there are treatments for that syndrome, they include eduation and training on these inanimate objects.

Do also support the national registration of alchol drinkers and those who are on perscription drugs? There are MUCH LARGER sources of violence in our nation than guns, and the Government is a key player in some of them - such as we FAIL to deal with gangs.

 

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6:08 AM ET

September 22, 2011

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MARGIETONO

8:22 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Gun Smuggling a Problem of Every Government

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