This is not something new. It's spelled out on Al Jazeera which references the November, 2004 video where he not only lays out the Bleed Them Strategy, but gives reasonable reasons why they need to be bled, namely how the United States is putting it's muddy boots on sacred land in Saudi Arabia.

"Why American Won't leave Afghanistan." Money Quote: "Surge, bribe and run? Or surge, bribe and stay? How US military bases and the energy war play out in Afghanistan."
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/2011711121720939655.html

Here are others along the same lines:
"Some people are calling the follow up to 9/11 in Afghanistan is an updated version of The Great Game which began in 1807, just after the founding of the United States (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game and http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/world/asia/19bases.html).

"We spoke of 9/11 as though it were somehow equivalent to Pearl Harbor, the beginning of a global war against enemies bent on, and at least theoretically capable of, destroying the American way of life (unlike al Qaeda, a ragtag band of extremists with limited punch). We spoke of cultural wars and a divided world. We reorganized our entire security establishment to go after a few thousand bad guys. We went mad."
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/29/the_black_hole_of_911

Gartenstein-Ross’s book on Bin Laden’s legacy misses forest for the woods since it mises the basic point of how did Bin Laden came to be able to wage this LONG WAR.

Let us examine some facts:

1. Nobody forced Pakistani government to facilitate relocation of Osama bin Laden from Sudan to Afghanistan in 1996. Benazir Bhutto’s democratic government of Pakistan chose to do so of its own free will.

2. As Sandy Berger, Clinton’s national security advisor told 9/11 Commission in 2004, Pakistani Army was the midwife of Taliban. UN report on Bhutto killing released on 4/15/10 confirmed this fact when it noted that "The PAKISTANI MILITARY ORGANIZED AND SUPPORTED THE TALIBAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF AFGHANISTAN IN 1996“. So in a way, Pakistani government was in charge of Afghanistan when 9/11 attacks were carried out and hence Pakistani government was responsible for those attacks.

3. Declassified DIA Washington D.C., "IIR (intelligence Information Report) Pakistan Involvement in Afghanistan," dated November 7, 1996 states how "Pakistan's ISI is heavily involved in Afghanistan," and also details different roles various ISI officers play in Afghanistan. Stating that Pakistan uses sizable numbers of its Pashtun-based Frontier Corps in Taliban-run operations in Afghanistan, the document clarifies that, "these Frontier Corps elements are utilized in command and control; training; and when necessary combat“.

4. Declassified U.S. Department of State, Cable "Pakistan Support for Taliban" from Islamabad dated Sept. 26, 2000 states that "while Pakistani support for the Taliban has been long-standing, the magnitude of recent support is unprecedented." In response Washington orders the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad to immediately confront Pakistani officials on the issue and to advise Islamabad that the U.S. has "seen reports that Pakistan is providing the Taliban with materiel, fuel, funding, technical assistance and military advisors. [The Department] also understand[s] that large numbers of Pakistani nationals have recently moved into Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban, apparently with the tacit acquiescence of the Pakistani government." Additional reports indicate that direct Pakistani involvement in Taliban military operations has increased.

5. Pakistani ISI Director General Mahmud Ahmad had asked Omar Sheikh (the kidnapper of Daniel Pearl) to send $100,000 from a Dubai bank account to Mohammed Atta (the lead 9/11 hijacker) one year before those attacks. Mohammad Atta used that $100,000 for flight training, living expenses and to purchase flight tickets on the day of 9/11 attacks in US and returned unspent $25,000 back to same Dubai account. Musharraf was forced to retire ISI director General Mahmud Ahmad after Wall Street Journal exposed General Ahmad as the chief financier of 9/11 attacks. Pakistani ISI was heavily involved in planning of 9/11 attacks as corroborated by former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham.

As General McChrystal so clearly noted in his August, 2009 assessment to the President, Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan is mostly directed from Pakistan-based Afghan Taliban leaders. Following is General’s verbatim assessment for the doubters:

1. Most insurgent fighters in Afghanistan are directed by a small number of Afghan senior leaders based in Pakistan that work through an alternative political infrastructure in Afghanistan.
2. The Quetta Shura Taliban (QST) based in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan, is the No. 1 threat to US/NATO mission in Afghanistan. At the operational level, the Quetta Shura conducts a formal campaign review each winter, after which Mullah Mohammed Omar (Afghan Taliban Chief) announces his guidance and intent for the coming year.
3. Afghanistan's insurgency is clearly supported from Pakistan. Senior leaders of the major Afghan insurgent groups (QST, HQN and HiG) are based in Pakistan, are linked with al Qaeda and other violent extremist groups, and are reportedly aided by some elements of Pakistan's lSI. Al Qaeda and associated movements (AQAM) based in Pakistan channel foreign fighters, suicide bombers, and technical assistance into Afghanistan, and offer ideological motivation, training, and financial support.

Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.

Following are verbatim quotes from what Gen (rtd) Jack Keane said at a discussion on Afghanistan organized by the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think-tank on June 30, 2011:

1. "The truth is, the ISI aids and abets the sanctuaries in Pakistan that the Afghan (Taliban) operate out of. They (ISI) provide training for them, they provide resources for them and they provide intelligence for them. From those sanctuaries, every single day Afghan fighters come into Afghanistan and kill and maim us".

2. "There's a direct relationship of ISI's complicity and the deaths of American soldiers and the catastrophic wounding of those soldiers. The chief of staff of the Pakistani military is complicit. He used to be the director of ISI. He put the guy in there who is in charge now and he has full knowledge of what I'm just describing".

3. "This partnership has got to be based on that harsh reality. There are two ammonium nitrate factories in Pakistan. 80 per cent of the explosive devices that are used to kill our soldiers, kill Afghan security forces and kill Afghan people come from Pakistan."

4. "All of what I just said to you, when we confront them with this, they lie to us“.

The Pakistani parliament’s joint session convened on 5/13/11 after Osama’s killing and ended after adopting a unanimous resolution condemning the American raid on the Abbottabad compound in which al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was killed.

Pakistani parliamentarians did not appear to be bothered about Osama living in Abbottabad for the past five years and in other parts of the country since 9/11.

9/11 attacks was Pakistan’s revenge for U. S. refusing to deliver F-16 fighter jets after Pakistan had already paid for them in early 1990s. That is why one of the demands of the kidnappers of journalist Daniel Pearl was to U. S. to deliver F-16s to Pakistan for the release of Daniel Pearl.

But U. S. has deliberately ignored Pakistani government’s terrorist connections all these years and hence deserves to be duped by Pakistan for billions of dollars.

There is no Pakistan nation in the American context..Its a collection of basically 5 nations, not tribes, totalling 160 million, dominated by the 90 million Punjabis and misruled by a Punjabi (85%) army.. Encased within two boundaries drawn by just 2 Brits. Hence all the problems. Neighbors fight neighbors. Read European history, especially 1913-47. Bunch of fragile states Civilized white Christians to boot!

Taleban is all Pushtoon ..45 milion of them who do not recognize the Britis imposed border. 30 million are east of this faux border. The Punjabi army has no influence in Pushtoon lands; its the opposite. They have never been conquered; on the contray they have always been the conquerors, most recently as the army of the Babar, the Moghul conqueror of India.

The Talebs' want to throw the hated American out of their country. Number less than 25,000 but supported by many for patriotic reasons. And as Gerstenstein- Ross implies, they are winning, thanks to the unbelievable incompetence and outright stupidity of the US brass. On that read Rory Stewart's recent book

The bloated Pentagon bureaucrats (faux warriors) still think that the USSR is around and a treat to the US. Hence wrong people, wrong toys, wrong training. Aided and abetted by Congress, the military-industrial-security complex. All together soley interested in just one objective:plundering ..plundering the Treasury..our US Treasury.

The Pentagon is planning to withdraw. But not like curs with their with tails between their legs. As The Economist characterized the Brits exit from Iraq. .

I think this is missing one important fact*. Al Qaeda's ultimate goal is not to ruin the United States. That would be nice but it isn't what Al Qaeda exists for. Al Qaeda exists to attempt to reestablish an Islamic (Sunni of course) Caliphate and I would say that not only have they not succeeded, they are actually much further from success than they have ever been. Let's look at a list of nations either important to Al Qaeda, geopolitically important or that have similar groups.

The effort set up in Afghanistan was a horrible failure which actually managed to make the country even worse than it already was. Indeed, if it wasn't for the support of the Pakistani intelligence they probably would have crashed.

Areas of the Pakistani government might support the Taliban but they certainly aren't interested in setting up an Islamic government and they see Afghanistan as a nation that should be greatly influenced by Pakistan, not the other way around.

Iraq wasn't just a failure, it was such a great failure that the nationalist Sunni groups they were working with actually turned against them. Additionally the ultimate outcome was to strengthen Iran (a Shia state) in the Persian Gulf.

Egypt not only has constantly rejected Al Qaeda's calls for revolt, but the recent revolution involved secular groups and peaceful tactics. Additionally the most powerful Muslim group in Egypt (the Muslim Brotherhood) calls for peaceful change through democracy, something Al Qaeda considers anathema (indeed they have openly criticized the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood).

In Palestine even Hamas has shown itself willing to have temporary ceasefires with Israel, something Al Qaeda would never consider. Besides that none of the Palestinian groups are considering anything other than nationalist resistance to Israel and certainly not international attacks.

In Turkey a Muslim party came to power through peaceful democratic efforts and have successfully curbed the power of a coup-prone military without resorting to violence. Not only that, but Turkey is something of a star to the Muslim world for its stability and success. Again, this is unacceptable to Al Qaeda.

Libya's Qaddafi regime was forced out not by extremist Muslim groups but by a widespread rebellion supported by Western air power. Not the most resounding support for Al Qaeda's tactics.

In Nigeria the most dangerous extremist group (Boko Haram) might have some views that coincide with Al Qaeda but they are a local group dedicated to resisting the Nigerian south and not to establishing any kind of Caliphate.

In Somalia Al Shabab has been widely blamed for making the famine even worse and they have been forced to leave Mogadishu. The federal government might not be very impressive but it seems clear that the people aren't happy with Al Shabab.

In Indonesia there is a terrorist group with links to Al Qaeda, but it is hardly popular and has become rather weak in recent years. Ironically it might have made the U.S and Indonesia closer.

All in all I'd say that Al Qaeda's efforts have resulted in general failure across the Muslim world. It's been years since they have launched an international attack of note and are increasingly relying on other groups who don't have the same goals and individuals who don't necessarily have the necessary skills. The U.S might have suffered from the past decade but that's not even close to equaling success for Al Qaeda.

The often talked about Moderate Muslim is so far invisible against the fanatic cacophony and covert war efforts channeled through various Mosques the world over. The Saudi funded fanatic strain of Islam has long over showed the concerns of silent Muslim majority. There is no Muslim religious, political or social figure to counter Jihad of Osama Bin Laden. Many observers now opine that the concept of Moderate Muslim is a myth created to mask and obfuscate the sinister realities of only the blood thirsty hotheads calling the shot in the Muslim world.

This most disheartening aspect of the developments between fanatic strain of Islam and other sworn enemy of the democracy and individual freedom has not been given the due attention. Over the course of the last decade, largely as a consequence of the Western intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq, there has been the emergence of a grotesque alliance between militant Islamist, part of the Marxists and drug merchants. The devout followers of political Islam and excitable disciples of Marx have joined together to attack and destroy the common enemy. This covert process has gone furthest in some of the most culturally diverse regions of Britain.

The Taiba mosque in Hamburg had played a defining role as the recruitment and indoctrination center for 9/11 attackers. A friend of Mohammad Atta, who attended the same mosque, has emerged behind the series of events culminating in grave fears of multiple terror strike across Europe; a dreadful replica of Mumbai like bloodbath scenario .The mosque has since been closed down. About three hundred youth from Europe, believed to have attended terror camps in lawless region of Pakistan-Afghanistan border, and third of them have returned, perhaps giving final touches to various strikes, when least expected. The possibility of several sleeper cells, independent and unconnected to each others, must be a greater source of worry. Another important issue is failure or most probably active compliance of the Mosque authorities towards such activities after 9/11.
Increasing radicalism due to sustained indoctrination, inherent failure of integration, due to built in obscurantism and ghettoizing is the main reason for some descendants of European Muslims taking up jihad against the West. The sustained efforts by radicals set process in motion, which is now entering a defining and more sinister phase.

These youth are believed to very dangerous and fanatically committed -- and can enter the United States without a visa. Sleeper cell networks covers Europe from Portugal to Poland, from smoke filled coffeehouses in Rotterdam, side walks in Copenhagen, prayer halls in Hamburg and Brussels, bustling markets, shops in Birmingham and London and even the prisons in Europe. Al Qaeda being short of resources the new recruits make own funds to further their contribution to jihad. Educated young men from Middle class and rich families are targeted, recruited and indoctrinated in a slow and tedious process to fill the gaps created by exposures and arrests continuously. It’s an ongoing process with needed resources being self generated by these highly motivated sleeper cells.

Since 1970’s,the fanatically strict code of Islamic law interpreted, debated and taught at Cairo's Al-Azhar University has slowly spread amongst the Muslims, the world over. It runs counter to very concept of pluralism, democracy, secularism, individual freedom and separation of religion from the statecraft. The initial role played by Hassan al-Banna's of Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Syed Abul Ala Maududi's Jamaat Islami in Pakistan, laid the foundation stone of what Osama Bin Laden is fighting for.

Both these Islamic thinkers sought to restore the Islamic ideal of the union of religion and state. They were sure that the decadent western idea of the separation of religion and politics for the decline of Muslim societies.

During 1950s Sayed Qutb, a member of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, took the arguments of Al-Banna and Maududi a stage further and declared that all non-Muslims were infidels and predicted an eventual clash between Islam and the west. They began advocating a return to the original ways of Islam, among other things; a repudiation of the West; no education of women; abolition of television and expulsion of non-Muslims from Muslim lands.

The ideals of al-Banna, Qutb and Maududi eventuall become the main sources of inspiration and reference for the fighters joining the Afghan mujahideen. Al Azhar scholar, Abdullah Azzam, fought with the PLO in the 1970s but felt disillusioned with the Palestinian leadership, mainly because of their secular outlook. He went on to teach in Saudi Arabia and joined as lecturer at King Abdul Aziz University in Jeddah, where one of his students was Osama Bin Laden.

A brilliant comment: "Inspired by Osama bin Laden's romanticized view of the Soviet Union's back-breaking war against the mujahideen in Afghanistan, the terrorist network has defined its strategy as bleeding the United States to bankruptcy. This strategy does not require traditional tactical success. In recent years, al Qaeda has learned that even its most embarrassing operational failures can produce an expensive response."

Bin Laden's strategy from the beginning was to bleed the US dry in an AfPak conflict we could not hope to win. Then, we gave him Iraq as a gift and got rid of Saddam Hussein, a man who bin Laden detested. Now, even after his death, we keep stepping into traps he might only have wished he could have set -Yemen, Somalia, Libya. We are mired in a futile and costly effort in Iraq, still trying after ten years to prop up a corrupt and unreliable Afghanistan leadership, still kissing the behinds of a Pakistani government that has lied and disrespected us at every turn.

Bin Laden's legacy will be the diminished footprint of the US on the world stage. We will be a musclebound militarized security state that sacrified our moral standing in the world and our economic strength on the altar of national defense, but we will be unable to stamp out the small brushfires that may be set by those who wish us ill. But, bin Laden did not do it alone. He had a lot of help from our clueless leaders, who were dumb enough to take his bait at every opportunity.

Whether or not the book under review misses or refers to the evident idea that the current war on terror is a natural flare-up of World War I -- when the victorious British and French carved up parts of the former Ottoman empire to create today's battlefields -- this evidently is not an idea that has stirred J M Berger much.

There's no conundrum about the reality that the US since 2001 has done almost exactly what al Qaeda wanted to achieve with 9/11. Current understandings in Washington seem extraordinarily helpful to the dreams and hopes of the late Mr bin Laden. America's going broke? Must be president Obama's fault. Clinging to that crackpot belief smothers any opportunity to ponder just how much blood and gold should be spent in response to the 9/11 provocation -- and any others.

It also smothers any consideration of the correct balance between police and military responses to 9/11. Instead of a coherent international police response, the world sees, as Berger picks up from the book under review, some sort of fabulous security empire in the US that employs an unknown number of public servants and, we get reminders from time to time, doesn't seem to offer world's-best security practice. Vide the panytbomber attack, surely the ideal opportunity for the new and fabulously expensive US security to strut its stuff.

Instead, even though they knew a likely terrorist was aboard that flight, Customs allowed his plane to overfly several population centers and land in Detroit, ready to pounce after the plane landed and the passengers had debarked. As evident a case of Customs vanity or simple incompetence as we could ever expect to see. US security didn't beat that attack. It failed because the pantybomber either couldn't get his undies to explode, or else was too cowardly to trigger it. It is of course a gross and

Harkingt back to how the victorious French and British set up the current map of the middle east, and how well that worked out, take note of what seems the evident reality that (a) the US intervention to Iraq does not seem to haver brough peace to that nation (rather, it took it away); and (b) the US seems to have little or no idea how to get effective and honest government established in Afghanistan.

European reports suggest the US military wants to stay in Afghanistan until 2024, and it is known that Washington is trying hard to get Baghdad to permit lots of US troops to stay there past the present agreed departure date. The expense of both continuing military arrangements, for a nation apparently losing money hand over fist, would be fabulous.

And it seems a naked indictment of the famed and often boasted-about nation of laws that now nearly two years have passed since Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab allegedly boarded a plane with intent to kill everybody on it -- a clear criminal offense -- and the authorities still don't seem able to offer a trial date. Security trumps legal process, doubtless at great expense.

Somewhere, bin Laden smiles.

Your basic premise seems to be that America’s profligacy is based on a push-me, pull-you combination of homespun politicians throwing money at problems they are afraid of failing to resolve, and super-enemies intent of bankrupting us. How very neat and tidy.

You fail to note the American Congressional-military-industrial complex in between, whose money grubbing goal has always been to magnify the fears and mercenary qualities of the former; and never, ever find a cure for the latter, but just scarier substitutes.

First it was the Soviets. Than the NKoreans, the Iranians and sundry small fry of no consequence to American security. Then it was Saddam Hussein and his invisible WMDs. Now, it’s the World Caliphate of Islam run amuck. The face of our fantasy boogeyman may change over time, but never the very real Congressional-military-industrial horror story you so elaborately ignore.

Might I suggest you live hip-deep in a mighty Egyptian river?

Well, I want to disagree about this notion of economic profligacy. I believe America has done quite well in the north african agenda, and it seems carefully thought out and well executed.

Now, if I could just say the same about the Gartenstein-Ross's text, because while the theory may sound good, it is practical implementation that will drive the future of this world, and I, like anyone, like a good discordant voice among the converted...but still, I wonder if Gartenstein-Ross's ideas are like taking a paleontology class to understand why Europe still has such a dependence on north african oil.

But wait...holy jeepers, this note just passed to me about nanofossils is putting it all together for me. Yes, indeed! Maybe Gartenstein-Ross is a voice worth listening to!

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The Talebs' want to throw the hated American out of their country. Number less than 25,000 but supported by many for patriotic reasons. And as Gerstenstein- Ross implies, they are winning, thanks to the unbelievable incompetence and outright stupidity of the US brass. On that read Rory Stewart's recent book.

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