The Wars America Doesn't Talk About

A disturbing triumphalism over the Libya intervention has emerged amid the conspiracy of silence over the bloody mess in Afghanistan.

BY SUSAN GLASSER | SEPTEMBER 12, 2011

Last month was the deadliest for U.S. troops in Afghanistan in the ten years of the war there, with 67 killed, nearly half of them Navy SEALs in the downing of a Chinook helicopter -- the deadliest single incident in this, the longest war in American history. More promisingly, it was also the first month since the American invasion of Iraq in 2003 that not a single U.S. soldier was killed there.  

And yet these startling facts received almost no notice: the president never mentioned them, Congress was silent. When it comes to these drawn-out conflicts, both American political parties are increasingly determined to say nothing at all.

The silence is especially striking among the Republican political establishment, on whose watch these wars were launched. At last week's debate of the 2012 presidential candidates at the Ronald Reagan presidential library, Afghanistan rated barely a mention. It came up only twice, once when libertarian Ron Paul complained that it costs "$20 billion a year" to provide air-conditioning for U.S. troops in the wars and demanded that the U.S. pull the plug, and a second time when the Utah politician-turned-diplomat Jon Huntsman urged a complete withdrawal: "This is not about nation-building in Afghanistan. This is about nation-building at home," he said. "We've got to bring those troops home."

The response? Loud applause from the audience, and a brief protest from former senator Rick Santorum. The frontrunners were resolutely silent, including ex-Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney -- the same Mitt Romney who as a Republican presidential candidate in 2008 vowed not only to bolster the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan but to wage what amounted to an extensive nation-building campaign as well.

And Democrats, if anything, are even more resolutely determined both to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq as quickly as possible -- and to avoid talking about it before they do. President Obama's calculation here seems purely political; how else to explain the deadline of September 2012 -- just a couple months before the presidential election, rather than a couple months after, as his generals recommended -- for U.S. troops to officially "end" the surge he began last year to much-disputed effect? In Iraq, a similar calculus seems to be taking effect; Obama, the New York Times reported a few days ago, is now prepared to allow just 3,000 or 4,000 troops to remain after the end of this year, down from the approximately 50,000 still there now -- and far below the 10,000 said to be under consideration until recently.

At the same time that silence reigns over these two long-running conflicts, America's foreign policy elite is falling in love all over again with a new model of war, one that supposedly beckons with modest investment, no boots on the ground, and a convenient narrative of freedom toppling dictatorship. Yes, I'm talking about Libya. 

For even as dozens of American soldiers were being killed in Afghanistan, August was also the dramatic breakthrough in the nine-month-old, NATO-assisted Libyan revolution, when AK-47-wielding rebels charged into the capital of Tripoli and, aided by precision-guided Western missiles dropped from the sky, toppled the Gaddafi regime that had terrorized and overwhelmed them for the last four decades. Members of Congress, even those who had been criticizing the intervention weeks before, were eager to talk about this war, as was the Obama White House, which touted it as a model of the kind of regime change -- without American boots on the ground -- it would prefer to undertake.

John Moore/Getty Images

 

Susan Glasser is editor in chief of Foreign Policy. This column is a regular monthly feature on Reuters.com.

MARTY MARTEL

8:31 PM ET

September 12, 2011

America needs to thank Pakistan for that with more aid

American soldiers are dying in Afghanistan because of their own government’s misguided policies.

The seeds of the ‘current Afghan tragedy’ were sowed in Washington when Bush administration decided to allow Musharraf to spirit away by airlift hundreds, if not thousands, of Taliban operatives cornered by the advancing Northern Alliance in Kunduz in November, 2001. Pakistan relocated those Taliban cadres including Mullah Mohammed Omar in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan (now relocated to Karachi by Pakistani ISI to protect them from possible US drone attacks) and Haqqani network (HQN) in North Waziristan from where Mullah Omar’s QST and Haqqani’s HQN have been planning raids in Afghanistan ever since.

U. S. has deliberately deluded itself about Afghan Taliban’s Pakistani connections in fueling and sustaining Afghan insurgency as reported by Matt Waldman in ‘The sun in the sky‘ on 6/13/2010, corroborated by WikiLeaks leaks on 7/25/2010 and then further corroborated by Chris Alexander, Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005 and Deputy Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Afghanistan from 2005 until 2009 in his article on 7/30/2010 titled ‘The huge scale of Pakistan‘s complicity‘.

Duplicitous Pakistan has U. S. under the barrel of a gun - US can NOT use its aid leverage to force Pakistan to stop supporting terrorist groups who kill US/NATO troops in Afghanistan day in and day out because US needs Pakistan’s help in ferrying supplies to those very US/NATO troops.

Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.

Following are verbatim quotes from what Gen (rtd) Jack Keane said at a discussion on Afghanistan organized by the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think-tank on June 30, 2011:

1. "The truth is, the ISI aids and abets the sanctuaries in Pakistan that the Afghan (Taliban) operate out of. They provide training for them, they provide resources for them and they provide intelligence for them. From those sanctuaries, every single day Afghan fighters come into Afghanistan and kill and maim us".

2. "There's a direct relationship of ISI's complicity and the deaths of American soldiers and the catastrophic wounding of those soldiers. The chief of staff of the Pakistani military is complicit. He used to be the director of ISI. He put the guy in there who is in charge now and he has full knowledge of what I'm just describing".

3. "This partnership has got to be based on that harsh reality. There are two ammonium nitrate factories in Pakistan. 80 per cent of the explosive devices that are used to kill our soldiers, kill Afghan security forces and kill Afghan people come from Pakistan."

4. "All of what I just said to you, when we confront them with this, they lie to us.

With Pakistani Army headed by General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, who once headed ISI, repeatedly lying to the United States, America‘s Afghan mission was doomed from the very beginning.

For deliberately ignoring Taliban’s Pakistani connections, US deserves to be duped by Pakistan.

 

PAKISRAEL

2:59 PM ET

September 13, 2011

Fact Check

Get your Facts Straight, for ten years the Pakistanis have been saying and begging for NATO and US troops in Eastern Afghanistan, when the Pakistanis drive militants out (at a huge cost of life and money) from western Pak, they run and hide in Easter Afghan. only to launch repeated assaults on Pakistan.

If Pakistan needs to DO MORE, why in the world are the ones that started the war not trying?

They only place they are keeping "liberated" is KABUL and they apparently cant do that either.

Pakistan has it's many problems and issues, but it was the Pakistanis that helped stop the Soviets, it was the Pakistanis that rescued our "Blackhawk down" troops and it's the Pakistanis paying the price for our war that we cant seem to get our act together on.

We lost 3,000+ People on 9/11 Pakistan over 30,000 because of it. PEOPLE MATTER just because they arent American doesnt make them less important.

 

TARQUINIS

10:29 AM ET

October 6, 2011

Marty has Pakistan as Scapegoat

Most of us are pretty consistent in our opinions, and Marty is no exception. But he is and has been consistently wrong. Pakistan as a scapegoat for our failure? Sure, Pakistan is playing a double game. But why? Just because they are "duplicitous" bad guys? Naughty Muslim campers?

Afghanistan is a country in name only. It is composed of various ethnic groups (Pashtun 42%, Tajik 27%, Hazara 9%, Uzbek 9%, Aimak 4%, Turkmen 3%, Baloch 2%, other 4%) that have little in common and much to divide them. All have different languages, traditions, religions or various interpretations of same, and social structures. The only reason it was ever stable (prior to the Soviet invasion) was that it had an accepted king who could smooth and balance off the various ethnicities. Those days are gone.

Pakistan is a vast Muslim nation of some 180 million people, strategic in all respects, divided by ethnicity in critical ways, united by Islam (and that pretty weakly considering divisions between Sunni, Shiia, Sufi, Ahmadi sects etc.) and with a very considerable arsenal of nuclear weapons. Its does have, however, a major cohesive national institution, being the army. The US has major strategic interests in the stability of Pakistan. It has none in Afghanistan.

The war in Afghanistan is seriously if not yet fatally destabilizing Pakistan.

Bear in mind there were few anti-government terrorist bombings in Pakistan before the war in Afghanistan began, and now they are commonplace. Before this war, there were no significant direct attacks on army. The Punjabi Pak army has recently taken significant multi-division strength suppression campaigns against the anti-Pakistani Taliban (south Waziristan) but refuses to do anything really important against the anti-ISAF Taliban forces (north Waziristan) that are headquartered in Quetta. It is the main city of Pakistani Baluchistan, is a natural fort, surrounded as it is by imposing hills on all sides. We are informed that most of the Taliban high command is centered there; safe from Predator drone strikes with their Hellfire missiles. Hundreds of thousands have been displaced by these campaigns, and the army has suffered many thousands of killed and wounded in so doing, far more than all our losses to date in Afghanistan.

60% of the Pashtun (Taliban) reside NOT in Afghanistan but in Pakistan. The Pashtun homelands are divided between Afghanistan and Pakistan by the phony Durand Line, which they do not and will never regard. They have been steadily radicalized and traumatized by thirty years of chaos, devastation and killing. And the more Pashtun we kill now; the more they hate our guts.

These are just a few of the primary reasons why the Pakistanis are DEEPLY conflicted by this war, play an obvious double game via the ISI, and support our efforts in Afghanistan only to the degree they must. And at the end of the day, the Pakistani army will not commit suicide for us.

They know what their interests are. Marty does not.

 

COBILOU

4:52 PM ET

October 10, 2011

Pakistan Apologists

Marty presented (alleged) facts that the "Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT" crossed from Afghanistan to Pakistan during the US invasion in 2001, and the first two posters side-stepped any direct refutation that these groups were welcomed rather than rounded up and handed to the US secretly by Pakistan. Osama Bin Laden being found and assassinated within short distance of the the military academy of Pakistan is a pretty good indicator of Pakistan compliccity in sheltering these groups that make war on US troops.

Pakistan may like the military welfare checks it was getting for their "cooperation" in the the US war in Afghanistan, but your lame arguments that Pakistan is not complicit in protecting these scoundrels is officially laughable.

W was an imbecile on foreign policy, and Cheney and Rumsfeld lived in a comic book world when it came to making smart national security policy for the US. They are gone now. So drop the spin as if future US policymakers are desperate to ask Pakistan what the US should do and how it should operate in south Asia.

 

EZONLINEATM

10:00 PM ET

September 12, 2011

When will America learn?

I guess they already know but prefer to play dumb because it is in their best interests to befriend Pakistan and keep them as an ally (while keeping a close eye on them)! I guess the Taliban and the other terrorist groups are terrorizing heads of state and the head of the army, so they need to work complicitly with them or face their revenge. These people are heartless and dangerous!

America's coffers are going to get bankrupt soon, if they don't pull the troops back and let these countries' residents start taking care of their own safety. I bet that the poor innocent civilians would all be beheaded, if American withdrew its support and troops!

When will this end? Why can't people live in love instead of hatred?!

 

MYSTIKIEL

11:04 PM ET

September 12, 2011

The "rounding up of dark skinned Africans"

was in fact the rounding up of Gaddafi's paid mercenaries from Chad. It is outrageous to portray this as some sort of racist pogrom, given the circumstances.

 

CASSANDRINA

4:33 AM ET

September 14, 2011

Absolutely right. These

Absolutely right. These African mercenaries according to the "liberals" would have been allowed to terrorize, rape and kill in other African states like Congo. They were only drawn to Libya by the money and the fact that they could kill Libyans with modern weapons and with total impunity.

 

XTIANGODLOKI

10:17 AM ET

September 13, 2011

This is politics as usual

It would make both the conservatives and the liberals look bad, who the heck want that? The press is merely a tool for the politicians.

 

ECSTATIST

2:26 PM ET

September 13, 2011

US Dictatorships by Proxy.

Americans unlike foreigners are unaware that our foreign policy relies a great deal on dictatorship by proxy. In the short term this appears to work however we are now reaping the results of decades of this evil system.
Gaddafi's problem was that he was not one of "our" dictators (except for recently revealed embarrassing complicity in US rendition and torture) and Libya has oil.
Foreigners of many ilks are very aware of this kind US hypocrisy and undoubtedly Americans would not knowingly accept this kind of behavior by its government.
Concerning terrorism: follow the money straight to Saudi Arabia who sell us oil and buy our arms and who have a financial interest in disrupting other countries oil production,
5 years ago, gas in California $1.60, Now $4.00

No US military deaths in Iraq last month! Where are the figures for deaths of US government contracted "security company" employees. This is an expensive method of maintaining hidden "troops" in Iraq (and elsewhere) and continues to foment hate. Why?

 

KUNINO

4:11 PM ET

September 13, 2011

Another focus of non-talking

I refer to reports that the Maliki government, that triumphant outcome of US intervention, now relies on torture to keep the administration humming. machinery of government. Everybody seems to look the other way as Washington labors to justify and prop up an extended military presence in Iraq. To what value to America?

 

CASSANDRINA

4:48 AM ET

September 14, 2011

The Muslim World

I am constantly amazed at the American and Western viewpoints on the Muslim world that are propagated through the TV and radio media.
Anyone who has lived and worked in these countries; and I have lived 5 years in 6 of them; do not tend to lump them all together as many do with continents like Africa and Asia.
The vast majority of the people of these countries are law abiding people putting up with increasingly severe restrictions on their lives due to controlling regimes comprised of minorities.
This is shown by the situation in Syria where the ruthless and incompetent Baa'th Party are killing people looking for change in the provinces, but retain control over the two major cities of Damascus and Aleppo through threat of economic retaliation with an army commanded by one family and tribe.
Libya cannot be touted by the "liberal left" to be a victory for them, as they were the most sceptical and negative of observers of this conflict as evidenced by the reporting from the BBC and other left wing media sources.
Now that it is the start of the end in Libya, they are changing their tune, forgetting that in this era of Facebook, Twitter and cell cameras history and their interpretation of it cannot be so easily distorted.

 

TUKADOODLE

2:35 PM ET

September 16, 2011

They are all almost the same

You omit the fact that they all strive for Sharia Laws maybe you and too many ill liberals directly support by deliberate lies of omission and many try to deny. It's no small fact that Iran and most Muslims are intent to roll back to 2,000+ years ago. It's NEVER about geography, Sunni vs. Shites, fake ” Palestinians” or anything for TRUE piece. Stop glossing over facts,cos you lived there as a ” subject matter expert” by your personal experiences alone. You would likely not even write this article if you were a Jew. It's ill liberals as the biggest Antisemites like Norway, Sweden,Denmark teaching their children how to hate Blacks and Jews. It's ONLY about Sharia Laws or not as the simple question most ill liberals will divert and blame others to some bogus ” humanitarian right”. The lefties are much worse than righties as a clear and present danger to America and especially the wold and Jews. Boycott Turkey and all ill liberal countries that still cling to Nazi ideals unchanged since WWII. I mean, trying to not call Libya a ” war” is typical twisted logic that defys the most basic common sense.Cannot Iran and Muslims say Genocide loud enough for folks to hear? Ill liberals like Norway are just one example of ill liberals denying Sharia Laws as ” humanitarian” as the biggest joke going around the world. So it's one simple question of do you support Sharia Laws and it's goal of Genocide only starting with the Jews. Ill liberals always want it both ways and to eat their cake too. Weak minded thinking by cowards like Carter got us where we are today. His latest ” big” claim to fame, is he did not fire a shot,start a war and killed nobody shows ill liberal cowards mistake. Carter should have launched against Iran and forget the Diplomats that signed up for possible deaths. Typical ill liberals managing to the tiniest cases and never the rule. It's the same old cowards using appeasement and the Jews to WWWIII.

 

ONEYE

4:55 PM ET

September 14, 2011

Never admit a mistake

Standard American culture - never admit a mistake, never say you're sorry, beat the hell out of anyone who calls you indecent or corrupt (proves you're decent and non-violent), never research anything but have strong opinions that ape the Fox TV and lunatic radio, claim expertise in everything, couch everything in extremes, never think before you spout your mouth, never retract a misstatement, never answer an attacking or clarifying question, and of course, the most important of all, toot your own horn loudly and lie through your teeth on everything. Oh I forgot to mention, get into position of power and rob everyone in your gunsights, then buy friends.

Hence, Afghanistan is a hornet's nest of US enemies, all Afghanis should be killed, Karzia is the legal President and a good guy, we are winning, we will withdraw when we win it, US Generals are doing a great job, our armies are the best in the world, anyone who opposes us should be killed, every Afghan killed deserved it, every American killed is a good guy, and of course, never talk about US dead or the costs, or even more fundamental, what the war aims are, whether they are achievable, whether we are achieving them, why the Generals keep being "rotated", whether our troops commit crimes and torture, and most importantly, never discuss or consider that what we are doing in Afghanistan is indecent, and whether common Afghanis want us there.

We know the outcome. We got kicked out of Korea (a half loss), Vietnam (complete loss), Lebanon (we ran). We'll push it off as long as we can, then announce Victory with Honor, which is doublespeak for Defeat with Dishonor, and run like hell, abandoning our allies.

 

VEGANOMICS

9:58 AM ET

September 15, 2011

Oneye, you summed it up so

Oneye, you summed it up so well. +1

America ever wrong in the eyes of America? Impossible!

 

TUKADOODLE

3:10 PM ET

September 16, 2011

FP as a credible ” source”

FP is clearly an ill liberal bunch of folks lieing by omission as too many try to do. I can't wait to read the article that ” Iran is not crazy” that the title alone says everything about FP ” experts” writing such Junk. It's tons of lies by omission as the very worst kind! It's ONLY about Shaeia Laws or not. Typical ” humanitarian s” directly supporting Sharia Laws and blaming the Jews. the uber ill liberal ICJ,ICC the hauge etc. should indict ALL Sharia Law leaders that they don't. FP and others just ignore reality that costs money and lives every single day. Ill libera s like FP directly aid and abet Sharia Laws and the butchering of the Jews. Who would the world have to blame after the slaughter of ALL Jews, cos it's not just about Israel and never has you been from the start. Look at the ”fine” Uber ill liberal Scandinavians for the BIGGEST racist bigots they truely are. It's almost a direct repeat of WWIII, blaming the Jews once again. It's fighting fire with fire and NOT ill liberal Rules of Engagement like Vietnam and now that binds our hands and waste our soliders lives. They almost succeeded in rurning Iraq into another Vietnam. I fell terrible about the kids killed in the Norway canp being taught to hate/blame the Jews and Boycott them! The shooter/bomber has it essentially correct, but his methods of madness overshadow his facts he clearly states. A vote for Obama or fake ” Palestians” is a vote for Sharia and ill liberals planned ” American Spring”. BOYCOTT ALL Sharia Laws and their countries like Egypt, Gaza, Turkey, Iran, Canada and especially the Scandinavians with a focus on Norway, Sweden,Denmak and most EuropeOns still leading their 16th xentury claims. It's WWIII that's already under way, by Carter the Coward as the avowed/Virulant Antisemite he makes no bones about. He should have bombed Iran too long ago and is allot of why we are where we are.

 

POLIN

2:06 AM ET

September 23, 2011

American wars in the foreign lands never succeeded

American wars in the foreign lands never succeeded in establishing permanent peace failing to follow the right foot-steps; these wars have only proven to be a financial extravaganza and military debacles of U.S rather than peace-hoisting tactics that will ensure secure life to the victims of war. Their efforts to help the nations to resurrect themselves have always gone awry and nothing substantial was achieved in the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, Obama’s assurance to remove the fly zapper troops from these nations fails to convince us of his integrity and makes us wonder if it is just a ploy to combat the oncoming presidential elections successfully.

 

GARFI

10:45 AM ET

September 23, 2011

This is shown

This is shown by the situation in Syria where the ruthless and incompetent Baa'th Party are killing people looking for change in the provinces, but retain control over the two major cities of Damascus and Aleppo through threat of economic retaliation with an army commanded by one family and tribe.
Libya cannot be touted by the "liberal left" to be a victory for them, as they were the most sceptical and negative of observers of this conflict as evidenced by the reporting from the BBC and other left wing media sources.
Now that it is the start of the end in Libya, they are changing their tune, forgetting that in this era of Facebook, Twitter and porno day cell cameras history and their interpretation of it cannot be so easily distorted.

 

WILDTHING

2:00 PM ET

September 29, 2011

The Warfare State

No we now are promoting persistent permanent war as in the special forces operations all around the world and the process aimed toward a congenial occupation of a proxy ruled Iraq and Afghanistans is just taking longer than planned but as in the McCain hundred years or as with our Native Americans the slow and gradual elimination of all resistance is the general plan.
With other countriues Libya and Syria the find an opposition and arm and fund them has actually grown to arm and fund and bomb in support of plan... sounds like Nazi Spain to me... if Britain had used maybe our civil war would have worked out better for them... as it is the French version eventually won and yet we now tout freedom fries and fight with spies..

 

TAYFA34

5:42 AM ET

October 6, 2011

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YARINSIZ

12:54 PM ET

October 6, 2011

I guess they already know but

I guess they already know but prefer to play dumb because it is in their best interests to befriend Pakistan and keep them as an ally (while keeping a close eye on them)! I guess the seslichat Taliban and the other terrorist groups are terrorizing heads of state and the head of the army, so they need to work complicitly with them or face their revenge. These people are heartless and dangerous!