Punitive Measures

The coming Palestinian statehood push at the United Nations is a train wreck. But with the U.S. Congress promising punishment for this effrontery, it's not just Palestinians who will come away grievously injured.

BY JAMES TRAUB | SEPTEMBER 16, 2011

This is what U.S. diplomacy on the Middle East has come to. It didn't have to be this way. Perhaps if Obama didn't have to worry about the political consequences, he would be trying to find the least confrontational way of giving the Palestinians the dignity of enhanced status at the United Nations. Perhaps administration officials would now be trying to draft a General Assembly resolution that the Palestinians could accept, and that Israel could almost live with.

But they're not; in fact, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice recently felt compelled to squash rumors that the United States was doing any such thing, lest the Obama administration be accused of accepting an unacceptable reality. Instead, the United States will stand fast with its great friends in the Marshall Islands, and perhaps some EU members, in opposing an upgrade in Palestinian status at the United Nations. Then Congress may punish the Palestinians for their effrontery. And the Palestinians may react badly. And then the Israelis may react badly. And then the Arab street may react badly.

Welcome to the train wreck.

HAZEM BADER/AFP/Getty Images

 

James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and author of, most recently, The Freedom Agenda. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

A_MAITREYA

1:59 AM ET

September 17, 2011

Trainwreck indeed

Just another example of the rapid collapse in American power over the last decade. Whether the US uses a veto or not, it's already weakened position will take another body blow when it opposes the Palestinians at the UN.

 

OYUNSON

2:42 AM ET

September 17, 2011

Agreed

After this point it's too late to change things for US. There are big failures happened and trust lost.flash oyun

 

CHARLES.M

5:19 AM ET

September 17, 2011

Some compromise !

Right now, the United States provides slightly more than $500 million a year to the Palestinian Authority. Of that, $200 million goes straight into the Palestinian budget. It is these "Economic Support Funds" that the House measure targets.
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MUSE

6:16 AM ET

September 17, 2011

Congress is blocking the peace efforts .

The Congress of the United States consists of 100 senators and 435 members of the House of Representatives; in effect, just 535 Americans are blocking efforts to bring peace to the Middle East. Why? Forget the pious guff about Israel being the region’s “only democracy” and a “valued friend and ally” of Washington. In the corrupt and dysfunctional US political system, where legislators are outnumbered by special interests, from the gun lobby to Big Pharma, the Israel lobby – specifically, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) that brags on its website about being “the most important organisation affecting America’s relationship with Israel” – has a financial stranglehold on both main parties. According to William Quandt, a former adviser on the Middle East to the Nixon and Carter administrations, “70 per cent to 80 per cent of all members of Congress will go along with whatever they think Aipac wants”.

 

JOHNRDKIDD

9:30 AM ET

September 17, 2011

In 1947 the then UN voted for Palestine to be wiped off the map

In 1947 the then United Nations voted for Palestine to be wiped off the map and replaced by two states, one Arab and one Israeli. However, all those Arab states of the Muslim Middle East, affected, refused to accept a Jewish state in their midst implemented by a United Nations that was interested in finding a home for hundreds of thousands of displaced persons, victims of the Nazi Holocaust in Europe. The operative words being 'IN EUROPE'

Their protests were totally ignore and in 1948, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and LEHI terrorist organizations implemented the UN resolution with the support of America. Britain abstained.

For 63 years this terrible injustice has pertained, with the now 5 million descendants of the 3/4 million originally dispossessed indigenous people, living under the iron fist of a cruel, oppressive regime that is still supported by a United States congress that is in hock to a powerful minority pressure group that exerts undue pressure upon the American legislature.

In this 21st century, surely it is now time the these wrongs are redressed and that the state of Palestine is restored as a home for the five million people whose families have been the majority continuous indigenous people of this land for well over a millennium.

 

MARJORIER

1:37 AM ET

September 20, 2011

The Palestinian Bid for Statehood at the U.N.

Despite a common misimpression, Israel was not created by the U.N. but by the 1922 League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, a “trust,” giving Jews national rights throughout the snippet of land which Israel now holds. Arabs were given national rights in vast stretches of other territory in the Middle East. They were given only civil and religious rights in the rest of Palestine left after the British lopped off Transjordan (now Jordan), which constituted about 76% of the land originally allotted to the Jews, and the Golan, which Britain gave to France for its Syrian Mandate.

Although the 1945 U.N. Charter specified, in Article 80, “nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples,” the U.N. recommended, in a 1947 non-binding General Assembly resolution, that the territory mandated to the Jews be partitioned between Arabs and Jews. Since U.N. General Assembly resolutions are non-binding, unlike binding Security Council resolutions, this idea required acceptance by both affected parties. The Jews agreed to accept partition. The Arabs rejected partition and attacked the Jews, thereby invalidating the partition plan.

The Mandate for Palestine, which has never been amended or abrogated, is therefore Israel’s legally valid founding document. Inasmuch as the rights given the Jews by this Mandate to settle closely on all the land in Palestine from the river to the sea have never been amended or abrogated, and these rights were specifically recognized also by the United States in the 1924 Anglo-American Treaty, which the U.S. is prohibited from violating by the doctrine of estoppel, the Palestinian Arabs ought to be grateful for any land given them for a state by Israel. And Israel has the right to expect, in return for such a gift, certain concessions on the part of the Palestinians, such as a cessation of terror and secure borders.

 

AJJAMIES

12:49 PM ET

September 17, 2011

Trust Diminished

Yes. Too late to make a difference, because too much trust has been destroyed. Another show of the decline in power of the US.
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MJKOCH

4:09 PM ET

September 17, 2011

Embrace Peace Israel, and Avoid War

Israel never did what it could do to make peace with its neighbors - the people of the Middle East. Instead, Israel made peace with dictators who oppress their people and Israel’s leaders were happy having good relationships with the tyrants of Egypt and Tunesia who oppressed their people. Israel almost made a catastrophic mistake by negotiating with Bashar Assad for the return of the Golan Heights. Israel could never understand why Nelson Mandela wanted nothing to do with it after apartheid ended. It failed to understand that its arming of South Africa and refusing to end close military cooperation with the apartheid regime would be something South African blacks would not soon forget.

A peace between Israel and the Palestinians with two states living side by side in peace would do much to end the deep hatred that millions of people feel toward Israel. Will they start loving Jews and Israel tomorrow? Of course not, but when millions of people don’t see on TV Israeli tanks and Israeli planes firing into Palestinian towns, there will come a time when the hatred turns to apathy.

If Israel had a visionary leader there would be two states living side by side in peace and Israel’s best emissaries to the Arab world would be the Palestinians. Instead, the right wing predominates and absurdly clings to the belief that the Palestinians are all going to move to Jordan or disappear. They do not realize they are taking Israel down a dangerous road that leads over a cliff. All Palestinians are not Hamas or Islamic Jihad, and opinion polls continue to show that a majority of people on both sides favor a two-state solution. Israel will sadly soon have the choice of a one-state solution or apartheid if Israel’s government continues to create conditions on the ground that make a two-state solution impossible.

We Jews who love Israel can see a vision of a better life for Israel and its Arab neighbors. The crime of the millennia was the murder of 6 million Jews, of which one million were children. Today, who is Israel’s second-best friend after America? Germany. If that can happen, then we should never, ever lose hope for a true and lasting peace for Israel and the Palestinians. It’s only impossible if you believe it to be so.

 

INSTALACAO

10:26 PM ET

September 17, 2011

Of course it will

Majority of the funding and most of the relevant parties at AIPAC come from Wall STreet banking, hedge fund and private equity world. The egos of these people can't fit in one universe. Have you seen how incompetent they were when the financial crisis started in 2007? If it wasn't for US saver and tax payer money, most of the STreet would have been wiped out.
This is not about the safety of Israel anymore. This is about racial supremacy. This is about Josh Harris at Apollo getting what he wants. This is about Llyod Blankfein "doing God's work", etc.
The US is already in deep trouble because of these people. Congress is taking us down with the racist apartheid regime in Israel.
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DRUNICUSEQUUS

12:11 AM ET

September 19, 2011

Racism

The obvious racism is in your comment on the "Jewish Banking Conspiracy." Nice. Did you hear of this at a night rally? Perhaps from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem?
The only real difference between Islamic radicalism and Naziism is that the Naziis had more money. Both groups, clearly, ate crazed by ignorance and hate - much as the left is crazed by their own deep and abiding loathing of Judaism.
European anti-Semitism is still alive and quite well, also, as evidenced by their reflexive sympathy for a seethingly angry and backward stateless group, whose only virtues appear to be a dislike of Jews, America, and Western cibilization.

 

BERNY3

6:57 PM ET

September 20, 2011

A New Dawn

How do you say "sieg heil" in Hebrew anyway?

 

TUKADOODLE

10:07 AM ET

September 18, 2011

It's NOT about land for ” peace”

Stop all the noise! It's also not about Sunni vs. Shite or anything else! It's ONLY about Sharia Laws and butchering ALL the Jews worldwide. It's disgusting to see this obfuscation to deny this fact. War is the only solution as Gaza clearly shows. The UN created Israel but does not own her and never did. It's called the spoils of war for every country but Israel alone. Join the corrupt UN protest on 9/21 in NY. Arabs and Muslims like Iran just can't say it loud enough and ill liberals refuse to hear. It's ill liberals that are the biggest world menace supporting Islamo Propaganda as ” original thoughts” that directly support Sharia Laws over the Jews. The Uber ill liberal ICC, ICJ the Haugue should be indicting all Sharia Leaders and they obviously do not. I hold ill liberal women as the very worst of the worst.

 

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MSMII

9:07 AM ET

September 19, 2011

I have been concerned by the

I have been concerned by the current administration’s policies towards the Middle East. Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann on Friday expressed regret over the fall of US ally Hosni Mubarak “while President Obama sat on his hands." This sitting on his hands, as I have mentioned several times, goes back to the Iranian uprising in 2009.

Earlier this year Obama attempted to put Israel on the US State Department’s list of State Sponsors of Terror; however, pro-Hamas Turkey is to chair an Obama backed counter-terrorism body. This panel is not to include Israel and is being done quietly, in the shadows of the UN General Assembly this week. Hillary Clinton calls this “smart power approach to counterterrorism,” and described the founding group as “traditional allies, emerging powers and Muslim-majority countries.” I call it another attempt to subjugate the power and strength of America to its enemies.

There is also that little and far too under-reported “want” from the administration to put in a direct phone line to Tehran.

http://msmignoresit.blogspot.com/2011/09/obama-gets-cosier-with-iran.html

 

MAIGARI

5:16 PM ET

September 19, 2011

Palestinian Statehood

Whatever the merits or demerits of the Statehood for the Palestinians, one thing stands out, Israel has never made any move to make peace with Arab Street. Like the U.S. Israel relied on "rulers" to control the populace and impose the peace. With the Arab Spring, the Arabs can at least speak thier vpices without any dictators Army and Police killing them! The Palestinian bod must be seen in this light. They are also humans and deserve whatever dignity a statehood confers.
The attitude of the U.S. administration of direct talks (forced?) is just that a talk and no more. Over time the U.S. has proved unable or unwilling to be an honest broker where ever the interest of the Israeli government are concerned. Thus the Palestinians have born the brunt of this one sided dispute for decades with little to show for the sacrifices.
An Americn veto will only confirm the obnious but whatever the outcome, Israel will have to find ways and means of reaching out to Arab Street IF ever there is to be any peace in the M.E, the dynamics have certainly changed as dictators may not last forever no matter thr effort of the U.S. to impose dictators and peace on the Arabs.

 

VUPROXY

2:30 AM ET

September 20, 2011

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CONAN776

9:20 AM ET

September 20, 2011

Our brave, brave Congress

Ah, yes, nothing wins votes like beating down the human dignity of them uppity sand Negroes.

Nice to see even after the recent opening of the MLK, Jr. memorial along the Tidal Basin, the racists on Capitol Hill haven't changed one bit. Well, I guess maybe their racism is just a little sandier.

And yet people still tell me the North won the Civil War!

 

ORMONDOTVOS

7:48 PM ET

September 20, 2011

Obama might throw down on AIPAC...

Obama's new and more aggressive approach, and the voting in by Jewish voters of a Republican in New York might cause Obama to instruct his delegate at the UN to NOT VETO Palestinian statehood.

AIPAC might finally have laid upon the Obama camel the straw that broke its back. If Obama decides to honor his electioneering promise to give Palestine statehood, all bets are off.

Overreach, thy name is Yahweh...

 

NMSRJAGMH

8:43 AM ET

September 21, 2011

Palestinians deserve a home

The palestinians have suffered too much. Let them have a home they can actually call a home and give them the woodworkers supply they need to rebuild their houses for a change so that they can concentrate on building a home rather than fight for one. This will be good for peace.

 

GEORGE1

1:19 AM ET

October 4, 2011

U.S threat to Punish - A Diplomatic fallacy!

U.S’s threat to punish dissenters in the Palestinian conflict might rake muck with its Middle East allies and it might actually be biting more than it could chew. U.S has really committed an unavoidable diplomatic fallacy by issuing the threat of terminating the financial aid to Palestine and the military assistance to its allies respectively. Instead of treating the inflammation with antiinflammatory foods, it has added more fuel to the fire of Palestinian conflict unknowingly. Enhancing Palestine’s status to nonmember observer might at least save its image in Arab world from tumbling further.

 

YARINSIZ

2:40 PM ET

October 6, 2011

Obama's new and more

Obama's new and more aggressive approach, and the voting in by Jewish voters of a Republican in New York might cause seslichat Obama to instruct his delegate at the UN to NOT VETO Palestinian statehood.

 
 

CARTHAGIAN

3:39 PM ET

October 17, 2011

Jurisdictive bullying ....

Anti-Semitic machination thinkers should certainly see that Christians, not Jews, have been responsible for a great deal of this jurisdictive bullying. Fortunately, none of it has an indication of turning into law; the Senate is extremely unlikely even to undertake any of these proposals.

 

CHANGS

9:20 PM ET

October 17, 2011

Must reject the use of terror

It will continue to be impossible to resolve this issue as long as either side believes it has the right to user terror tactics against the other side.

Documents signed by either side will continue to be worthless as long as either of the parties believe they have the right to terrorize the other side to force them to agreement.

The U.S. spends a lot of money on both groups, money the country can no longer afford to waste. Yet stopping the support to either side is impossible, for a large number of reasons.

testing the issue at the U.N. is also a waste of time, as the U.N. is and always has been a failure, given its power structure.