The Do-Nothing Strategy

It's time for Obama to realize that with the 2012 elections in the offing, expending any effort on a Middle East peace process is a losing battle.

BY AARON DAVID MILLER | SEPTEMBER 22, 2011

Governing is about choosing. And a much-diminished American president has made his choice. Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking isn't and shouldn't be Barack Obama's top priority. Getting reelected is. And that means carefully husbanding his eroding political currency and expending it on matters domestic and economic. Despite all the kerfuffle at the United Nations this week, the last thing he needs to do is pick an unproductive fight with Israel or the Republicans on an Israeli-Palestinian peace process that has been dead for some time now.

The "sky is falling" crowd bemoaning the loss of American influence on the peace process ought to stop whining. There's no deal now that anyone can broker. The president is right to protect his political flanks. This isn't cheap or dirty politics; it's smart. If Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas forces a vote on U.N. membership in the Security Council this week or next month, Obama should veto it and sleep well that night.

Let's get the easy stuff out of the way. First, Palestinians deserve an independent state living in peace and security alongside Israel. They've suffered enough; their cause is just and compelling. Abbas is a good man who has eschewed violence and together with his prime minister, Salam Fayyad, has begun to create the infrastructure and institutions of statehood. The Palestinians' desire to change the paradigm by shifting from an arena where they have limited influence (bilateral negotiations with Israel) to the international arena where they have more is as understandable as it is unwise. Indeed, nothing that will happen in New York this week or next that will bring Palestinians any closer to realizing real statehood; it could, in fact, take them farther away.

Second, we can blame everything on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu from morning to night -- but it would be an unfair and dishonest analysis. There's no doubt that Israeli settlement activity and inflexible positions on Jerusalem, borders, refugees, and security have made this Israeli government a tough and often recalcitrant partner in the peace process. Still, the last time I looked, this Israeli government is a legitimate result of political and coalition realities in a democratic polity; and, I might add, with 32 governments since independence (the average length being 1.8 years) it's also proving pretty durable.

To put the entire blame for the current impasse on Netanyahu just doesn't add up. The gaps on the core issues, particularly the identity issues -- Jerusalem and refugees -- have been unbridgeable for more than a decade now -- in Ehud Barak's negotiations with Yasir Arafat back in 2000 and Ehud Olmert's with Abbas in 2010. Furthermore, the current Palestinian polity is more Humpty Dumpty than an authoritative, cohesive political partner. A significant part of it (Hamas) sits in Gaza and competes with the one that sits in Ramallah -- not just over seats in a parliament, but on the basic issue of where and what Palestine should be. The current PA lacks a monopoly over the forces of violence, political strategy, resources, even people. And no Israeli government will be willing to make a deal with a partner that doesn't control and silence all of the guns of Palestine.

Third, while the long arc of history may smile kindly on the North African uprisings in regard to democracy, gender equality, human rights, and the rule of law, the so-called Arab Spring these days looks more like a winter in places such as Yemen, Syria, and Bahrain. Even in Egypt -- a success story -- seven months later, the vast majority of people seem less secure, less prosperous; and with the military reimposing emergency regulations, it may be that they're also less free to criticize their leaders. The Egypt-Israel relationship has also taken some serious hits, as the mob attack on the Israeli Embassy in Cairo this month attests. If that relationship goes south in a serious way, you can forget about Israeli-Palestinian peace. The fact is, the changes in the Arab world that Obama so breathlessly referred to in his General Assembly speech actually have added uncertainty and complications to Arab-Israeli peacemaking.

Fourth, there is no conflict-ending agreement now available to Israelis and Palestinians. The gaps are just too big, the suspicions too deep, and the regional environment too uncertain; and the capacity of an American (or any other mediator) to serve as an effective broker is just too implausible. The last thing we need right now is a cleverly worded French, American, or Quartet statement to launch a negotiation that will raise false hopes once again and lead to a collapse. Such an outcome would in many ways be worse than a General Assembly resolution upgrading the PLO to nonmember observer status -- further dragging down American credibility and reinforcing the notion that diplomacy and negotiation simply can't work.

Into this mix enters Obama, reeling in the polls and being battered by all sides. But the president isn't responsible for failing to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict. Bill Clinton under more auspicious circumstances couldn't. What Obama is responsible for, however, is raising expectations: focusing on a settlements freeze that was unachievable, backing down when Netanyahu refused to agree, and failing to make up his mind about whether he wants to pander to the Israeli prime minister or punish him. If it was simply a personal matter, Obama would probably choose the latter: He sees Bibi as a con man; he's deeply frustrated with his intransigence; and accordingly he has failed to create much of a relationship. Nearly three years into the Obama administration, we find ourselves with no negotiations, sagging American credibility, and no prospects of an agreement.

Did the president have an alternative? Could he have done things differently these many months? I have close friends, former colleagues whom I respect and admire greatly, who argue yes. He could've laid out a U.S. plan, been tougher with Israel, empowered Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to take control of this process (though I suspect her political instincts told her all along that this dog wouldn't bark and wanted to steer clear). In short, the president could have made Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking a top priority -- the sine qua non for any serious initiative.

I don't agree with any of this, of course. Neither Abbas nor Netanyahu would be willing to pay the necessary price required for a deal. But who really knows in the wonderful world of counterfactuals?

But here we are. It's September in New York. And as Ella Fitzgerald sang, a time for "dreamers with empty hands/they sigh for exotic lands." Add to this a level of hysteria, muddled thinking, perceived crisis, and unrealism that I haven't seen in three decades. This sad state of affairs is driven by a perfect storm of factors: the Arab Spring/Winter, growing Israeli isolation, Palestinian frustrations, and election-year calculations. It almost certainly won't have a happy ending.

The outcome is likely to be lose-lose for just about everyone. A veto would be bad for U.S. interests in the region; a false start to another round of negotiations might be worse. Actually, a General Assembly resolution (if it were properly crafted) might be the least-bad outcome; but that would require everyone to rise to a new level of enlightenment rarely seen on Arab-Israeli issues. The real crisis, of course, will come the day after, when the sad, grim reality -- the absence of a true conflict-ending agreement -- still confronts us all. And don't be surprised if the forces of history and conflict slowly overcome the forces of diplomacy.

Still, amid all the fog and confusion, the road for this American president has never been clearer. Foreign policy will do very little to boost his credibility. It will either be neutral or drag him down. Against the backdrop of diminished credibility, a failing economy, and polls indicating that 70 percent of the American public thinks the country is headed in the wrong direction, neither the killing of Osama bin Laden nor a successful policy toward Libya has done much to boost Obama's sagging prestige. His problem is at home, and it is strategic. He cannot allow himself to be diverted and distracted by costly fights with important domestic constituencies; nor can he give his Republican opponents easy issues with which to hammer him. Most American Jews will still vote Democratic, but in a close election (Florida is a recurring dream/nightmare) nothing should be taken for granted. In such a campaign, you can't afford to give the opposition any ground, least of all a way to mobilize its own base by raising money and exploiting highly combustible issues like Israel.

A veto, should it come to that, will be bad for American interests. The president's credibility in the Arab and Muslim world is already low. The United States is neither admired, feared, nor respected as much as it needs to be in a part of the world vital to its national interests. I'm not even sure that the Israelis respect the United States anymore. But at the moment, an unproductive fight over a U.N. resolution that means little, criticizing a close ally in Israel, or a risky initiative that alienates an important domestic constituency is just not a vital national interest. If you're a Democrat, frightened by the possibility of a Republican victory in November 2012, then increasing the chances of Obama's reelection is a vital national interest. And even for those Democrats who happen to dream of a Middle East peace, reelecting Obama next year -- not trying to cobble something together now -- should be the primary goal.

On balance, the president is right to attend to his domestic political interests at a time when there is little or nothing he can do to pursue the Arab-Israeli process. After all, that peace process, however grim its prospects may be, will be around for some time to come; Barack Obama may not.

TIM SLOAN/AFP/Getty Images

 

Aaron David Miller is a public policy scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars and a former U.S. Middle East negotiator. His new book, Can America Have Another Great President?, will be published in 2012.

COMETLINEAR

7:19 PM ET

September 22, 2011

I agree

I think the region would benefit from less foreign interest and involvement. Let the parties sort it out among themselves.

And to the trolls who will no doubt try to twist this into a call for less US foreign aid: I agree with you too. Israel's economy is now robust enough that they can stand on their own legs. But let us also cut aid to Egypt in that case.

 

ORMONDOTVOS

8:51 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Public opinion and HASBARA

Hasbara is the name of a powerful Israeli government supported "information campaign" that uses computer programs to place arguments for Israeli in the hands of Israeli supporters. In some cases, it supplies actual posts and places them in forums such as these.

Just though I'd let ya know what you're up against and why the same points are repeated endless in various combinations. Quite the brainwashing machine. Too bad the position they're defending is so weak and immoral. God is not a realtor. The rest flows from that. It's a theocratic government, just like the Caliphate.

 

SEADOG1946

2:33 PM ET

September 25, 2011

This never ending, gone/going nowhere "Peace Process"

and Israeli/Palestinian "negotiations" are a waste of US diplomatic involvement, time and energy because the Beebster, as PM and current leader of the Likud party, can maintain his position in power only by strictly adhering to the Likud charter which prohibits the creation/existance of a sovereign Palestinian state west of the Jordan river.

 

ISRAELDEFENDER

9:09 AM ET

September 27, 2011

Computer programs?

Israel is now using "computer programs" (said in my best Dr. Evil voice) to promote its world view? Oh no!

 

BING520

8:50 PM ET

September 22, 2011

do thing?

I like the article, but I don't see how you can veto it and do nothing. What to do after veto could also affects the election outcome. Obama already have little to show for on the home front. A successful foreign policy may not him much, but could a failed foreign policy serve to highlight his, real or imagined, incomepetency?

 

COMETLINEAR

10:57 PM ET

September 22, 2011

American voters don't care about foreign policy

The Iraq War never even came up during the 2008 campaign, except once during the vice presidential debate.

 

JOHNBOY4546

11:09 PM ET

September 22, 2011

And if the Saudi's vent their anger?

BING520 is right: Miller simply assumes that Obama can veto and then walk away, and the only affect that will have on him is that the money-bags open for him back home.

Maybe, but what happens to that cozy theory if the Saudi's tap him on the shoulder as he walks away and say "Not so fast, buddy".

Indeed, wither the electoral chances of Obama if the price of petrol doubles?

His chance of re-election goes down the plug-hole and, so sorry, no amount of Lobby-controlled re-election funding would save him.

The Saudi's have already warned Obama that a veto will not come cost-free with respect to USA/Saudi relations, and they will make good on that warning.

After all, the Saudi's aren't like the Democrats: they won't growl out a warning unless they are determined to go through with the threat.

 

MCMLXVII

5:54 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Not true

> The Iraq War never even came up during the 2008 campaign,
> except once during the vice presidential debate.

During the 2008 debates, Obama and McCain repeatedly clashed over policy and strategy regarding the war in Iraq. These debates were televised and widely seen.

 

OSBEP

10:31 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Saudi Reality

@Johnboy:

Agreed that there are definitely potential consequences of a US veto beyond those described in the article. I don't believe that Saudi manipulation of petrol prices is very likely, however, for three reasons:

1. They're still reeling from fear of their own "Arab Spring" and to add the threat of instability that a break with the US would bring is the last thing an ever-conservative ruling class has in mind.

2. The Saudi royalty has always played a love/hate game with the US for the sake of their own credibility in the Arab world and with their own people. The truth is they benifit enormously from "friendly" relations with the US. While they will maintain aggressive rhetoric towards the US they will not, as the past has shown us, cross the line from words to action.

3. Saudi leadership is aware of their uncertain future in light of dwindling petrol supplies in their own fields and the discovery of new deposits/technologies allowing the US to obtain more fuel from within. They would not risk giving more reasons to the American people and government to further deregulate gas and oil industries that would decrease the US's dependence on Saudi oil.

Finally, why include an irrelevent jab at domestic politics in an otherwise cogent argument about a pressing foreign policy issue?

 

JOHNBOY4546

6:11 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Your reason (1) is their reason for doing something

The Saudi's are scared of the Arab Spring, and they are scared of being painted as an American puppet regime.

They have already warned the USA, and not just that A Veto Is Not A Good Idea; they have EXPLICITELY said that they will react to the USA if it invokes that veto.

They mean it.

They **have** to mean it, because if they issue such a warning and then don't carry through with it then the Arab Spring will turn its attention on them.

 

ISRAELDEFENDER

9:11 AM ET

September 27, 2011

What planet do you live on?

If the Saudis gave two craps about the Palestinians, they could have solved all of their problems decades ago. It is in their interest to keep the Palestinians poor and suffering, so the ruling class there can keep telling its own brutally oppressed people that they are suffering because of the evil Jews of Israel.

 

BILLPRESTON

12:44 PM ET

September 29, 2011

agree

It's hard to focus on foreign policy when our economy is in shambles

 

JOHNBOY4546

10:56 PM ET

September 22, 2011

OK, so no final status peace agreement can be reached

Remind me again why accpeted that premise means that the Palestinians Must Not Be Allowed To Join The UN?

Because, so sorry, there appears to be a big ol' leap of logic between:
1) a peace agreement is impossible
to
2) Obama must veto this application to join the UN.

Why, indeed, MUST the USA do that?

Q: After all, where would that lead us otherwise?
A: Gulp! Two UN member states at loggerheads!!

Gosh! How unprecedented!
Like, that's never happened before, has it!

Here's a tip, Miller: If you want to go from
(a) initial premise to
(b) your conclusion, then
(c) you need to spell out all the logic of the steps in between.

You don't, you simply leave a big black hole in the middle, with the label "self-evidently true" stick on the outside of it.

I give this paper a D- with a very heavily underlined Can. Do. Better.

 

JOHNBOY4546

1:31 AM ET

September 24, 2011

The Palestinians will reach military parity with Israel?

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

There is about as much chance of that as there is of Netanyahu being elected Pope, or of Abbas becoming Prime Minister of Israel.

 

ISRAELDEFENDER

9:15 AM ET

September 27, 2011

Poor Johnny boy

Iran has set-up camp in Gaza (through Hamas) and Lebanon (through Hezbollah), and flooded those areas with weapons and missiles. Both are areas that Israel withdrew from. If you don't understand that Iran will also flood "Palestine" with weapons and that Iran is getting close to 'the bomb,' I don't know what to tell you...

 

JOHNBOY4546

11:53 PM ET

September 22, 2011

You know, I wouldn't really mind a US do-nothing approach

....if the USA agreed with this proposition:
If it was going to stand aside then IT WILL STAND ASIDE.

But I suspect very much that Miller doesn't have that in mind.

I suspect very much that Miller would still insist that on the USA "owning" this process, and that the USA must - simply must! - block any attempt by anyone else to fill the void left by Obama's little time-out, even though that time-out has nothing to do with this issue, and everything to do with domestic politics.

After all, if the USA was really going for a do-nothing approach then why veto this application? Why not, indeed, simply do nothing?

Announce that you are going to abstain, and justify that abstention by saying "Miller advised me to chill out, so I'm chillin' out......I'm off for a round of golf with Susan Rice, so tell me how the vote goes, OK?"

 

CARTHAGIAN

2:04 PM ET

October 22, 2011

Does Obama have a choice?

Does Obama have a choice? Could he possibly have dealt with such delicate issues in another way? He could've laid out a U.S. undertaking, been tougher with Israel and empowered Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to take control of this course of action. In brief, the head of state could have made Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiation a top consideration. However, Abbas and Netanyahu would lean to recompense the compelling premium required for a compromise. All the pressure is on Obama to play the kind of music Abbas and Netanyahu wouldn't dance to.

 

BENIYYAR

8:00 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Obama is not alone in failure, he's just more obvious

Both Clinton and Obama would like to take the easy way out, that is blame
the Israelis for the breakdown in the Palestinian Israeli
negotiations, blame the Arab hostility towards America on American support for Israel, and then blame the breakdown in the negotiations for
the social and economic turmoil in the Arab world.
Obama and Clinton would rather forget the real and growing problems
in the Arab world. They don't even want to hear about Arabs
starving due to skyrocketing food prices or Arabs with nothing to do
or lose due to massive unemployment They try to forget the Arab penchant for political repression, they conveniently forget all the failed and failing Arab dictatorships and dysfunctional Arab monarchies. They base their Middle East policy on ignoring the Islamic radicals or blame the existance of these radicals on Israeli "intransigence", as well as forgettiing the bitter poverty, desperate ignorance, and widespread violence
endemic in Arab societies. Obama and Clinton love to point the finger at Israel and do their utmost to indeed forget about the dismal reality of
the Arab world.
It is so much easier and simpler, certainly for
Obama who is already antagonistic towards Jews and Israel, to beat
up the Jews and make the Jews the source of the Arab world's
misfortune. Heaven forbid that Obama or Clinton should dare to
point out how almost all of the Arab's problems and suffering is
self inflicted.
Obama and Clinton are simply empowering the destructive Islamic
radicals by their anti Israel, anti Jewish, and pro Palestinian
stance. But in doing so they are abandoning the really decent and
progressive Arabs to more imprisonment, exile, or death at the hands
of either Islamic radicals or their own oppressive regimes, as well as insuring that the entire Arab world remains mired in ignorance, poverty, and violence.
The Palestinians have never offered a single compromise to the Israelis, they have demanded that Israel completely pull out of any territory "occupied" in 1967 and not leave a single Jew behind. This while demanding, "non negotiably" of course, that every single Palestinian and every single Palestinian descendant has the absolute "right to return" not to the new Palestinian state, but rather to Israel. And as an added insult, the Palestinians have stated over and over again that they will never recognize the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish country.
This is not how peace settlements are reached, they are however how diplomatic wars are fought. The Palestinians are in an eternal war to destroy Israel, but for the time being they are unable to use a military option and must settle for less direct methods. Those lesser methods are of course to demonize, villify, demoralize, and internationally isolate Israel. Thus the Palestinians hope that they can so weaken the Jewish State that either Israel will be forced by groups like the UN to succumb to the genocidal Palestinian territorial and demographic demands, or produce and Israel so internally weakened that a further terrorist or military onslaught will be at least effective if not victorious.
The simple truth is that the so called "balanced" American approach has destroyed any chance of the Palestinians ever calling off their war to eliminate Israel by continuing to finance their institutions and give their radical leaders a patina of diplomatic respectability.
By playing the UN gambit of being baptized with statehood, the Palestinians have finally even spurned the Americans balanced approach and are trying to put an end to even the charade of negotiating a peace setttlement with Israel.
Indeed, while the Palestinian Authority tries to hide it, the Hamas terrorist regime in the Gaza Strip makes no attempt to conceal the fact that the raison detre of the Palestinians has never been a state or even a government, and certainly not peace with Israel. The principal and perhaps the only reason the Palestinians exist has only been and remains, the extermination of Israel and the Jewish People.

 

THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA

5:54 PM ET

September 23, 2011

@beniyyar

Okay, that pretty much spells it out, but let's state it as simply as possible. The Palestinians and the Arabs and the Persians do not want peace, they do not want Israel and they want all Jews in Israel out and better dead if not simply expelled. How can you have peace with people whose sole aim is your destruction?

These attitudes were in place long before West Bank and Gaza sttlement building. Israel was attacked by its neighbors multiple times, won defensive wars and its enemies just can't get over it. When they feel they are sufficiently strong and emboldened, they will be at it again.

In a perverted sense, bestowing statehood on Palestine will give Israel the "right" to hit back in an act of war against a foreign belligerent when the rockets start falling again.

 

YANKEE57

8:23 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Palestinian Statehood is the

Palestinian Statehood is the God Given Right of Every Arab Person that is Not " An Israeli " ! There is No Moral Argument or Justification, that can be made by Mr. Obama , You or Anyone else that should allow the Continuing Mistreatment of these People in their own Homeland ! Politically , Expediency ( Re- Election ) is Not More Important than Freedom to have a Voice at The United Nations , Now ! Mr. President , Do The Right Thing, I'm sure that Abraham Lincoln was Concerned about the Opinions of The Pundits of His DAY and HIS chances of Re- Election BUT He Signed The " Emancipation Declaration " , Anyway ! Please Mr. President, Don't let your Ego and Sense of Self- Importance stand in the Way of Justice , Fairness and Decency for Millions of Palestinians living in Abject Poverty and Racial Repression by The Citizens of Israel ! Sir, Please - Follow Your Instincts and Vote - YES , for Palestine , Hell if many of Lincoln's " Advisers " had their way You and I would still be chopping cotton !

 

SEADOG1946

3:06 PM ET

September 25, 2011

JGARBUZ - and the Israelites of old took nothing from

the Caananites when Father Abraham (with a deed in his pocket from the great real estate agent in the sky) trekked to the promised land from Ur?

 

MOISHE3RD

8:41 AM ET

September 23, 2011

All Things Are Not Equal

Mr. Miller presumably looks at our world through the eyes of Diplomacy and Negotiation.
No matter who might be at fault; no matter if there is a "good" side and a "bad side, all sides should come to the table prepared to compromise and accede to the other party's demands, no matter if the particular demand are odious or unreasonable.

In this particular Israeli - Arab conflict - Israel has a stable government; a democracy; women's rights; religious freedom; freedom of speech; gay rights; Courts of Justice; Rules of Law; and a thriving and innovative economy and society...

Neither the Arabs called Palestinians - NOR any other Arab / Muslim country in the neighborhood has a stable government; a democracy; women's rights; religious freedom; freedom of speech; gay rights; Courts of Justice: Rules of Law; or a thriving and innovative economy and society.

Yet, "Diplomacy" decrees that Israel should accede to ANY of the demands placed upon it by these unfree; corrupt; bigoted; non productive; harsh, self serving oligarchies and dictatorships?

Why?

Because Israel happens to currently rule over an unhappy segment of this benighted populace?

That's the ONLY reason that Israel should "make peace" with these unhappy people?

This is not a good reason.
And, no other country in the world has ever acceded to the demands of its savage; murderous; barbaric; bigoted segment of its population just because everyone else thought it was a good idea.

 

ZORRO

4:41 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Just One Thing

"Israel has a stable government; a democracy; women's rights; religious freedom; freedom of speech; gay rights; Courts of Justice; Rules of Law; and a thriving and innovative economy and society"

Have you heard of the West Bank where these basic human rights does not apply? Human rights are inclusive, not exclusive to the select. And yes, as long as Israel occupies the West Bank I consider Israel responsible for it.

 

MOISHE3RD

9:31 AM ET

September 25, 2011

Zorro - You are 100% correct.

Israel is responsible for the people of Judea and Samara, popularly called the West Bank of the country of Jordan.
Why?
Because Jordan repudiated its rule over its West Bank and declared that it was no longer part of Jordan.

However, the Arabs of Judea and Samara still deserve to be treated as human beings under Israeli rule - as long as they don't try and kill (me; you; everyone) babies while they are sleeping or as long as their policemen don't suddenly decide to murder innocent travelers or as long as their villagers don't simply band together and slaughter Israelis who might take a wrong turn and get lost...
When they glorify people who carry out such senseless; brutal; inhuman acts, then, guess what - they lose their "human rights."
If you glorify and admire savage animal acts, then what claim have you to "human rights?"

 

BKUWATLI

9:40 AM ET

September 23, 2011

The Sky is Falling

the article's name is "The Do Nothing Strategy" and at the same time the author is asking the president to veto the Palestinian attempt for statehood. Not sure how using a veto is a do nothing strategy.

All what I see in this article is that the sky is falling therefore the president should not act as a president as nothing will help anything. The economy is bad, the Arab springs are turning into winters, the Palestinians and Israelies are so far apart that we should not try to change anything related to them (as if we mediate only between people with identical views).

The writer did not even look into how the framework will change if a Palestinian state is declared and how this will affect the peace process. Very shallow analysis typical to what is usuall published by FP regarding the Palestinian Israeli conflict.

 

BKUWATLI

9:53 AM ET

September 23, 2011

To Moishe3rd

when we talk as Israel as a democratic state we forget that this democracy excludes people living outside of the 1948 borders. We forget that even within those borders people are not equal. We forget that all those who left their homes during the war were not allowed to go home including many Palestinian-Israeli citizens. It is convenient to exclude the majority of the population and then call the rest democracy.

As to the surrounding countries, wasn't Israel comfortable in signing unilateral agreements with dictators? Isn't Israel opposing the democratic change happening in the Arab world? Syria and Lebanon were democratic during the 1948 war, how did this help Israel. Let's refocus on the issue, Israel should make peace because it is in violation of international law and norms. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

MOISHE3RD

4:00 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Your points are Moot...

Your criticism of Israel's democracy is a criticism that applies to every nation on Earth.
Your claim that people who left their homes while their countrymen were attacking and then they lost and were not allowed to return - applies to every nation on Earth.

However, the fact is, that neither the Arabs called Palestinians have or have ever had (including in 1948) a democracy; the Rule of Law; Courts of Justice; freedom of speech; freedom of religion; freedom of the press; gay rights; women's rights; civil rights or any of the other freedoms that ALL Israelis enjoy and most Arabs who are under Israeli rule enjoy.

None of the Arab countries, including the Arabs called Palestinians, have ever demonstrated an interest in creating a free and open society similar to any ordinary modern democracy so - why should Israel treat them as equals or even to be trusted in anything at all?

 

BKUWATLI

9:53 AM ET

September 23, 2011

To Moishe3rd

when we talk as Israel as a democratic state we forget that this democracy excludes people living outside of the 1948 borders. We forget that even within those borders people are not equal. We forget that all those who left their homes during the war were not allowed to go home including many Palestinian-Israeli citizens. It is convenient to exclude the majority of the population and then call the rest democracy.

As to the surrounding countries, wasn't Israel comfortable in signing unilateral agreements with dictators? Isn't Israel opposing the democratic change happening in the Arab world? Syria and Lebanon were democratic during the 1948 war, how did this help Israel. Let's refocus on the issue, Israel should make peace because it is in violation of international law and norms. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

P. AMI

11:37 AM ET

September 23, 2011

Myopic Take

it is strangely forgotten by BKUWALTI that for the first 18 years of the refugee issue, that the people he is so concerned about were under Jordanian rule. Then, after 1967, they were under Israeli military control, but remained Jordanian citizens. They voted in Jordanian elections and lived under Jordanian civil law. This continued well into the 1980's, at which point the Jordanians washed their hands of refugees, a huge majority of which were not refugees- these had never lived in Israel pre-1948 and have no reasonable claim to refugee status. The current representatives of the Palestinians (the PLO), who were actively and effectively recruiting from this pool of rejected Jordanians, were disinterested in Israeli citizenship, just as the Israelis were uninterested in granting this to them. It is the prerogative of a democratic country to deny foreign people enfranchisement. Just as the UN can, and should, continue to deny the Palestinian people full membership and the accompanying rights in that body, Israelis have that right as well. That self-rule which is so in demand for the Palestinians is already owned by Israelis, and under their rules and their sense of self-interest, they have not granted the rejected Jordanians the citizenship no one else will share with them. The rights denied the Palestinians are all based on the actions, statements, and aspirations expressed by the Palestinians over the course of a number of decades. Until the 1st Intifada, the right to move, work, and try and thrive in Israel was not limited. Even when representatives, the PLO, were attacking from Jordan, Syria and (when the Jordanians kicked them out) from Lebanon, the Jordanians living in the West Bank were permitted very many freedoms. It was when the attacks came from this population, when thatnpopulation was hiding the perpetrators ofnthese crimes, and when this population began to attack Israeli soldiers, that restrictions were made.

It is unfortunate that folk will argue about events and ignore very relevant context. One talks about what Israel should have done, as if today's context applies to all time. Today's Palestinians were once Jordanians, and before that simply Arabs living in an Ottoman province called Palestine. Even as the names have changed, it is because the context has changed. Within the context of their day, what Israel did in 1948, was right and just as regards the Arabs living on the Israeli side of the 1948 ceasefire line. In the context of the circumstances of 1967, Israel again did the right and just thing as pertained to the Jordanians they had living under their control. Today, Israel hopes to do the right and just thing, but context again plays a role, and any Palestinian self-rule cannot risk the life and livelihood of Israelis. It cannot deny Israelis in general, and Jews in particular, their hard fought and well deserved self-rule. This reality is one context that has continued to feed this conflict for the over 100 years it has been fought. The denial of the Jews to the right of self-rule and security in Israel has always been and continues to be questioned by the representatives of the Palestinian Arabs. When that ends, so does the conflict.

 

BKUWATLI

10:15 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Re: Myopic Take

It is very convenient to start history from the point that we want.

The current situation is that you have the following Palestinian groups (Majority is Arab, but includes Armenians, Cherkassy, and so on):

1- Those that lived within the 1948 borders and remained: Those carry Israeli citizenships. Many of those have been forced to relocate as a result of the 1948 war and were not allowed to go back to their homes which are within Israel that they carry its citizenship. Later on the law of absentees was applied to their lands and homes so it all got confiscated. Some of those homes and lands were given to Jewish families while others are still empty to this date. Palestinian towns and communities get less funding than Jewish towns and communities. Israeli laws still allow for Jewish only areas, where non-Jews are not allowed to buy homes. Most lands in Israel were transferred to the Israel Land Administration and the Jewish Nation Fund. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_land_and_property_laws).
2- Palestinians living in Eastern Jerusalem: Israel annexed East Jerusalem and most of the population rejected the Israeli citizenship and are granted special residency cards. Those people need to stay within Jerusalem or they will lose their residency rights as if they are guests in their own homes.
3- Palestinians living who are originally from the West Bank and still live there: Those are with no citizenships. They carry Jordanian Passport for travel. Israel wants to annex as much land from them and have the least of them in that land. Land confiscation is common for the Israeli settlements, separation wall and military basses.
4- Palestinians living in Gaza. They lived in similar way to the people in the West Bank until the Israeli withdrawal where Gaza turned into a large prison that includes 1/2 million Gazans and 1 million refugees from within the 1948 borders. An interesting fact about Gaza is that Israel still holds the population registry there so all births and deaths have to be registered with the Israeli authorities.
5- Palestinian refugees from the 1948 that live within the West Bank and Gaza. Those live in similar conditions to the indigenous people of those areas, but mostly in refugee camps in sub humane conditions.
6- Palestinian refugees from 1948 living outside the territory of Israel / Palestine and those are not allowed to go back to their homes while any person who can prove his Jewish roots can go and live in this Palestinian refugee home or on his land.
7- Palestinian refugees from 1967 living outside the territory of Israel / Palestine and those are not allowed to go back to their homes even though they are not officially annexed by Israel.

Interesting fact is that Palestinians carrying Israeli passports and those from East Jerusalem cannot bring in their spouses from the West Bank or Gaza, but have to leave in order to live with them. In the case of the residents of East Jerusalem, they will lose their residency rights if they live outside of Jerusalem for over 3 years.

Once Israel adopts a constitution, included in it equal rights to all people living within its jurisdiction and prohibit any discrimination then maybe we can call this a democracy, but for now it is just a system based on religious/ ethic discrimination where you can be free only if you belong to the chosen race.

 

MOISHE3RD

9:50 AM ET

September 25, 2011

Your points are Moot...

"Those that lived within the 1948 borders and remained: Those carry Israeli citizenships. Many of those have been forced to relocate as a result of the 1948 war and were not allowed to go back to their homes which are within Israel that they carry its citizenship."

You are confused.
This is false.

"Israeli laws still allow for Jewish only areas, where non-Jews are not allowed to buy homes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_land_and_property_laws)."

Your wiki article verifies many facts with direct quotes from legislation.
It does not do so with your above assertion.

"Palestinians living in Eastern Jerusalem: Israel annexed East Jerusalem and most of the population rejected the Israeli citizenship and are granted special residency cards. Those people need to stay within Jerusalem or they will lose their residency rights as if they are guests in their own homes."

So?
And, a poll taken by these same Arabs says that if "Palestine" ever does become a "State," about 1/2 of them will apply for Israeli citizenship rather than live under Arab rule.

"Palestinians living who are originally from the West Bank and still live there: Those are with no citizenships. They carry Jordanian Passport for travel. Israel wants to annex as much land from them and have the least of them in that land. Land confiscation is common for the Israeli settlements, separation wall and military basses."

Good. Why do you have a problem with that?

"Palestinians living in Gaza. They lived in similar way to the people in the West Bank until the Israeli withdrawal where Gaza turned into a large prison that includes 1/2 million Gazans and 1 million refugees from within the 1948 borders. An interesting fact about Gaza is that Israel still holds the population registry there so all births and deaths have to be registered with the Israeli authorities."

You just crossed the line into insanity. How's that forcing Hamas to register births and deaths with Israel working out? Everything good there?
How's that border with Egypt? Prison gates there too?

"Palestinian refugees from the 1948 that live within the West Bank and Gaza. Those live in similar conditions to the indigenous people of those areas, but mostly in refugee camps in sub humane conditions."

Unlike their brothers in Lebanon and Syria? You want to blame Israel for the fact that Arabs are keeping Arabs locked up in concentration camps?
Why?

"Palestinian refugees from 1948 living outside the territory of Israel / Palestine and those are not allowed to go back to their homes while any person who can prove his Jewish roots can go and live in this Palestinian refugee home or on his land.

Palestinian refugees from 1967 living outside the territory of Israel / Palestine and those are not allowed to go back to their homes even though they are not officially annexed by Israel."

Again, this is good.
They tried to kill us. They lost. Let's eat!

"Interesting fact is that Palestinians carrying Israeli passports and those from East Jerusalem cannot bring in their spouses from the West Bank or Gaza, but have to leave in order to live with them. In the case of the residents of East Jerusalem, they will lose their residency rights if they live outside of Jerusalem for over 3 years."

Excellent!
Maybe they should have become Israelis. That might solve the problem.

"Once Israel adopts a constitution, included in it equal rights to all people living within its jurisdiction and prohibit any discrimination then maybe we can call this a democracy, but for now it is just a system based on religious/ ethic discrimination where you can be free only if you belong to the chosen race."

Which "race" is that? Chinese? Hutu? Tuareg?
I would humbly suggest that you might be a bit of a racist...
Think about it.

 

JOHNSAMO

12:07 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Agreed

Trying for peace is always noble, and something Jesus thinks highly of, but unfortunately, it looks like a waste of time and resources until Israel and Palestine both want it. We should let it be known we're ready to move on it, but they've got to make the first real steps.

For Obama, job #1 is doing all he can to revive this economy, and job #2 is reviving this economy. And stop being so damn civil with the Republicans. It's way past time to take the be-nice gloves of, go read some FDR stuff, grow a pair, and let the American public know that you're on their side, and the opposition isn't.

If you don't do that, I may not even vote. What's the point of having 4 more years of a Democratic President get rolled over by a GOP that is controlled by a voting base filled with fanatics unhunged from reality. I'd rather put the idiots back in charge, let the American public see these guys for what they are again, so we can geta Democrat who will fight them.

 

JBIRDMENJ

2:05 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Bibis intransigence

Miller: "There's no doubt that Israeli settlement activity and inflexible positions on Jerusalem, borders, refugees, and security have made this Israeli government a tough and often recalcitrant partner in the peace process."

Putting aside the issue of Israeli settlements, which is a red herring IMHO, what exactly would you (Mr. Miller) have liked Israel to offer that wasn't already offered by PM Barak in 2000, by Shimon Peres and the doves in 2001, or by PM Olmert in 2008? I understand that Israel has already offered withdrawl to the 1967 borders with adjustments made. They have already agreed to shared control of Jerusalem between Israel, the Palestinians, the Jordanians, the Saudis and the Americans. Do you think Israel should allow Palestinian refugees the right to move to what will be left of Israel and not to the new state of Palestine? Do you think Israel should just trust the Palestinians without some arrangements for international presence at the Jordanian border to prevent sneak attacks?

If the Palestinians were today to tell Israel that they would be willing to give up their "right of return" and negotiate a territory that is equivalent to the WB and Gaza, Bibi would either have to accept it or the Israeli Democracy would replace him. If the Palestinians cant agree to shared control of Jerusalem or giving up the "right of return", then there is where the problem is, not with Bibi.

 

DR. SARDONICUS

4:06 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Washouts, sellouts and surrender junkies

Once again for the thousandth time, Obama and his real supporters are lectured on how we must obey Israel, AIPAC, the banking lobby and the Republicans, or he won’t get re-elected. Honest to God, you’d think Washington D.C. was occupied by no-one but washouts, sellouts and people just begging to surrender our national sovereignty to moderately high bidders.

Obama’s numbers are in the toilet precisely BECAUSE he’s obeyed that rogues’ gallery so slavishly, and made the same stupid, ethically null and nationally damaging mistakes American Presidents have made for the least forty years at their instigation. Repeating the same idiot mistakes does not make them any less suicidal. The same old song is getting awfully long, flat and tiresome, and nobody but Beltway pundits believes a word of it any longer.

None of these worthies elected Obama, and none of them would cross the street to support him and his constituency, before or after his election. Their twisted priorities and theirs alone have gotten us into this national and international mess. The only tactic that is going to get us out of it, is to carefully listen to what they have to say and then do exactly the opposite.

Between real Democrats (as opposed to exiled Israelis benefiting from an American citizenship but with no heart in it) and thinking Independents, Obama would win handily with this strategy. If he keeps listening to the poisonous policy advice of foreign and oligarchic special interests, he may well lose, to be replaced by a more submissive Republican slave who won't even stop to reflect before rushing us deeper down the path to ruin.

 

SVW.PS.89

7:27 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Are you writing this for Obama?

"After all, that peace process, however grim its prospects may be, will be around for some time to come; Barack Obama may not. "

Well, I frankly myself think that making some modest dent in the peace process is more important whether Obama keeps his job.

The way he's kowtowing and vetoing the aspirations of Palestinians despite international support makes me think maybe he doesn't even deserve it anymore.

If anything the veto lowers the standing of US even more in the Middle East, so I don't agree your proposal for Obama do what is easy is to the national interest to the US.

Maybe a new president is not such a bad idea, sir.

 

RPHILLIPS111

11:40 PM ET

September 23, 2011

Yes and No

Mr. Miller is right that Obama should not get involved in the Israeli-Palestinian issue as the election approaches. It doesn't appear he can accomplish anything: no one else has so far, which has made it far more difficult to solve the problem than it would have twenty five years ago.

A viable Palestinian state will require a number of realities. It must be large enough to accommodate the Palestinians already there, and those who will return when it becomes independent--because the refugees will not be able to go to Israel. It must have water, and lots of it. It must have arable land--not intransignent desert--for people to live in. Since the Palestinians already live there, and tourism is very important, the historic tourist sites in the West Bank must be part of the state. And East Jerusalem--except for the Wailing Wall--must be part of the Palestinian State as well.. You really can't have a viable palestinian nation without these requisites.

The Israel of Ariel Sharon and Benjamin Netanyu will never agree to these requirements. Never. Nor will any American Government pressure Israel to do so. But our mutual opposition to
the absolute requirements for setting up a viable Palestinian State and ending the Israli-Palestinian dispute rest on shifting sand, not concrete.

The United States and Israel, sooner rather than later, will face an inexorable reality: We must both recognize that Israel is a small nation in the Middle East, not its ruler. It must live among and with its neighbors. And a prerequsite for its acceptance and safety in the region is--a viable Palestinian nation.

Much of the planet already recognizes this, and within a decade Sharon's and Netanyu's vision of the Middle East will going, going--if not gone, gone.

 

PULLER58

6:31 PM ET

September 24, 2011

Obama's regret

Frankly, Obama got into the Palestine/Israel conflict in a clumsy manner that only made things tough for him to get anything done in terms of foreign policy in the Middle East. Can't see why he gains or loses regardless of what he does now...

 

POLIN

3:09 AM ET

September 26, 2011

Obama shouldn’t not focus on Middle East Peace Process

I agree that expending any effort on middle east peace process is pretty much useless if Obama want to win the 2012 presidential election. Hoping for Middle east peace is just like hoping for something that doesn’t even exist. The Palestinians-Israelis conflicts will probably never end until the end of the world. So, what should be Obama focus on? I think as the elected President of the United States of America, he should fulfill many of his promises when he declared them in his campaign of the 2008 presidential election. I still remember his slogan “Change we can believe in” and the chant “Yes We Can”. He needs to focus on making American people get stronger in every aspects of their life. He shouldn’t just talk about empty hopes any more. He should show a real solution to a lot of problems that are facing this country today. I think this big country has some systemic problems that are killing America such as problems related to economy, health care, national debt, poverty, bureaucracy, natural anti inflammatory, and wars. If he can win the heart of American people, he will win the next presidential election.

 

HELPDADDY

10:26 AM ET

September 26, 2011

Problems at home

There are more problems at home that Obama should focus more, looking for solutions and not meddle with the affairs of other countries.

 

ABBAN AZIZ

3:02 PM ET

September 26, 2011

Obama made a mistake.

Obama decided to reverse the course of the Oslo Accords and give into the demands of the Palestinian Authority. Israel attempted a settlement freeze, albeit imperfect, which was praised by both clinton and obama, and what did the Palestinians do?

They rejected it. Then when it ran out, they demanded it be extended.

So, what is Israel to do? The Oslo Accords never placed limitations on settlements, and no new settlements have been built since 1991.

Clearly settlements are not the problem. The Palestinians are the problem. They see Obama as weak. Obama must be strong and stand up to the Islamists.

 

CHOPINSKY

4:50 PM ET

September 26, 2011

Diminishing influence

Regarding to the portion the author said that the diminishing influence that Americans can wage upon no matter Israels or Arabs is a quite interesting subject.

The sinking economy should definitely counted as a factor of losing the influence in the Israel-Arab relationships, but the unsuccessful military outcome of the two wars in Middle-East will of course contribute. Because these two wars show the weakness of the American Power on overwhelming their foes. When they're no longer have the ability to conquer the people against them publicly, they're no longer the people to be awed--sticks do talk better to those who can never be friends.

 

CONAN776

9:15 AM ET

September 27, 2011

This article speaks in riddles

"Indeed, nothing that will happen in New York this week or next that will bring Palestinians any closer to realizing real statehood; it could, in fact, take them farther away."

Really? OK, let me try:

Beware the one-eyed snow leopard who will come to you in the form of moldy Vegemite!

Gee, the author is right, being completely incoherent is kind of fun!

 

ISRAELDEFENDER

9:17 AM ET

September 27, 2011

Abbas' speech at the U.N.

At the very the least, Abbas could have mentioned that the Holy Land, in addition to being “the land of Palestine, the land of divine messages, ascension of the Prophet Muhammed, the birthplace of Jesus Christ,” had meaning for Jews as well. But he did not.

Abbas' repeated reference to a 63-year occupation sends shudders through Israel because it suggests he doesn't recognize the Israeli borders that existed in 1948, the year of Israel's creation, and regards all of sovereign Israel as occupied land. He is waging another form of Jihad.

 

ABBAN AZIZ

3:32 PM ET

September 27, 2011

63 year "occupation"

Israel has only occupied the WB/Gaza for 40 years, the Arab states occupied "Palestinian territory" first, between 1948-1967.

The fact that Abbas doesnt say this, infers that he considers all of Israel occupied Palestinian territory. So what's the point of creating a Palestinian state when its leaders have dubious territorial ambitions?

 

CORTES

8:18 AM ET

October 8, 2011

Please elaborate

I'm trying to wrap my hand over my head on this one.
What Arab state(s) occupied Palestine Territory between 1948-1967?
This is an interesting argument that I wish someone could shed more light on.

 

YARINSIZ

6:01 PM ET

October 18, 2011

All what I see in this

All what I see in this article is that the sky is falling therefore the president should not act as a president as nothing will help anything. seslichat The economy is bad, the Arab springs are turning into winters, the Palestinians and Israelies are so far apart that we should not try to change anything related to them (as if we mediate only between people with identical views).

 

FRANKLINBURG

10:48 PM ET

October 23, 2011

Same story different year

This is a never ending carousel, and the middle east will never be at peace. How can it be? The land was given to the Israelis back after WWII. What would you do if your holy land was given to someone else and you had no say in it? That is what I thought....it is a little ridiculous to think that this happened and today we are still dealing with it....makes me sick to my stomach that there are d800s and 1dxs being launched and killing innocent civilians still to this day, with no end in site. The media loves this story because it is so controversial and polarizing, but I am just about tired of it. Can we just move on and let them work it out on their own without US intervention of weapons and cash? This has really turned into quite the eye sore and we should work on getting rid of hickeys this one in particular before it is too late. I just think that this is a no win situation that we need to move on from and let natural selection take cre of the process. Rant over....