The Gloves Come Off

Washington's talking tough to Pakistan about the Haqqanis. But does it have enough leverage to walk the walk?

BY DANIEL S. MARKEY | SEPTEMBER 23, 2011

On Sept. 22, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta testified before Congress that the Haqqani network, the group that launched the Sept. 13 attack on the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, is a "veritable arm" of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Directorate. Public testimony has been matched by tough talk in private, including in meetings between CIA chief David Petraeus and ISI chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha and between U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her counterpart, Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar.

Washington is launching a full-court press to show that it will no longer sit idly by while terrorist groups, abetted by the ISI, kill Americans and their allies in Afghanistan. Never before have we seen this sort of high-level, across-the-board pressure from the U.S. government. And never before have U.S. demands on Islamabad to get tough on the Haqqani network been coupled with what -- at least implicitly -- sound like threats of significantly expanded U.S. unilateral action inside Pakistan.

At surface level, these statements require no explanation at all. If Washington has ample evidence of ISI complicity, then how can it possibly look the other way, much less continue to provide assistance to the Pakistani government and military?

But the reality is that evidence of ISI support for Haqqani operations in Afghanistan is hardly new. Back in July 2008, Washington made similar claims of Pakistani complicity when the Indian Embassy in Kabul was bombed. Since then, however, U.S. military and civilian aid to Pakistan has increased, in part reflecting American hopes that carrots, rather than sticks, will be more likely to shift Pakistan's behavior.

In the past, Washington always tempered its criticism of Pakistan for fear that pushing too hard might break the relationship in ways that would cause more harm than good. U.S. officials have always known that the major supply lines for American forces in Afghanistan run through Pakistan's ports, highways, and airspace. U.S. officials have always valued aspects of counterterrorism cooperation that take place in the shadows, away from the glare of the press and the scrutiny of the public. And they have always hoped that by engaging Pakistan's military and civilian leaders, they would gradually work toward a more effective partnership that could satisfy both American and Pakistani security requirements.

What has changed? There are probably two reasons behind Washington's newly aggressive posture.

First, U.S. military leverage in the region is a diminishing asset. Washington can make threats now that will be less credible in a year or two. NATO force levels in Afghanistan are at their zenith, so if there is ever going to be a time for credible threats to expand the conflict into the Pakistani tribal areas where the Haqqani network is headquartered, it is now.

Second, Washington believes it has relatively little to lose in its bilateral relationship with Pakistan. To be sure, much is still at stake. Supply routes to Afghanistan and bilateral ties with a nuclear-armed state are nothing to sneeze at. But the calculation has to do with relative losses, not absolute ones. As U.S. officials peer into the future, they see little reason to expect that relations with Islamabad are likely to improve. Indeed, there's precious little evidence to suggest that the trajectory of the U.S.-Pakistan relations will go anywhere but downhill. If there is already a realistic chance that this relationship will rupture and that the benefits of bilateral cooperation will eventually be lost, why not press Pakistan now while Washington still enjoys some positive leverage and before relations hit rock bottom?

Of course, for Washington's coercion to work, it has to be credible. Tough talk alone is not about to sway the generals in Islamabad. But today's threats are already more serious than those of the past because they have been made in public -- and because Congress has already signaled that it will make assistance to Pakistan conditional upon action against the Haqqani network. These steps will be hard to undo.

But Pakistan also has cards to play in its escalating bout with the United States. First, Islamabad can cry foul. It is already doing so. Pakistani Army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani in a statement called Mullen's remarks "very unfortunate and not based on facts." And Foreign Minister Khar has cautioned, "You cannot afford to alienate Pakistan; you cannot afford to alienate the Pakistani people." But these protests have less weight than they once did -- Barack Obama's administration already knows the risks it is running.

Next, Pakistan is likely to remind Washington that it controls the ground supply routes into Afghanistan, perhaps by halting or delaying entry or by allowing shipments to be destroyed. Both of these steps have been taken in the past. And it could get far, far worse than that. Pakistan could close its airspace to American overflights, end remaining military and intelligence cooperation, deny visas to U.S. officials, enable militant attacks on U.S. Embassy employees and facilities, and shoot down the U.S. drones that still fly over Pakistan's tribal areas.

Would Washington be willing and able to respond to each of these steps? Perhaps; but it won't be easy. The United States could take the costly step of shifting ground supply routes to Afghanistan to run through Russia and Central Asia, along the so-called Northern Distribution Network; negotiate new agreements for airborne shipments and personnel; substitute drones with less-discriminating, higher-flying bombers that can evade Pakistani air defenses; and launch commando raids into Pakistan supported by a surged conventional presence on Afghanistan's eastern border. 

These are ugly options. They could get even uglier. But this is now the reality, with Washington having taken such an aggressive, public stance against its erstwhile ally. Quiet, indirect, but still forceful methods were more likely to engineer a shift in Pakistan's policies at a lower risk. Many of those options, however, have been exhausted.

Faced with such terribly high stakes, the question now is which side will blink first, and when.

KAREN BLEIER/AFP/Getty Images

 

Daniel S. Markey is a senior fellow for India, Pakistan, and South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations.

VODABS

2:23 PM ET

September 24, 2011

ISI

The unfortunate reality is that USA always needs a whipping post specially for its domestic audience. Before Osama's death it was Al-Qaeda and now it is ISI. Your wife is sleeping with your neighbour....blame it on ISI, you slip in the bathroom .......blame it on ISI, your daughter is a lesbian ............BINGO ......ISI. About time you get real and think again before you sink into another mess....

 

MARTY MARTEL

5:15 PM ET

September 24, 2011

How long can US tolerate such Pakistani duplicity?

Let us see if US under Obama administration has really run out of patience with Pakistani government’s duplicity or is this just a temporary temper tantrum by US.

Heaven knows US soldiers are dying in Afghanistan because of Pakistani duplicity that goes back to when Bush administration decided to allow Musharraf to spirit away by airlift hundreds, if not thousands, of Taliban operatives cornered by the advancing Northern Alliance in Kunduz in November, 2001. Pakistan relocated those Taliban cadres including Mullah Mohammed Omar in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan (now relocated to Karachi by Pakistani ISI to protect them from possible US drone attacks) and Haqqani network (HQN) in North Waziristan from where Mullah Omar’s QST and Haqqani’s HQN have been planning raids in Afghanistan ever since.

U. S. has deliberately deluded itself about Afghan Taliban’s Pakistani connections in fueling and sustaining Afghan insurgency as reported by Matt Waldman in ‘The sun in the sky‘ on 6/13/2010, corroborated by WikiLeaks leaks on 7/25/2010 and then further corroborated by Chris Alexander, Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005 and Deputy Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General for Afghanistan from 2005 until 2009 in his article on 7/30/2010 titled ‘The huge scale of Pakistan‘s complicity‘.

Duplicitous Pakistan has U. S. under the barrel of a gun - US can NOT use its aid leverage to force Pakistan to stop supporting terrorist groups who kill US/NATO troops in Afghanistan day in and day out because US needs Pakistan’s help in ferrying supplies to those very US/NATO troops.

Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.

Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.

Adm Mullen had following to say about America’s primary ally in its fight against terrorism, to the foreign news media on 1/13/2011: “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it [Pakistan] is the epicenter of terrorism in the world right now. It is absolutely critical that the safe havens in Pakistan get shut down. We cannot succeed in Afghanistan without that. It’s not just Haqqani Network anymore, or Al Qaeda or TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan), the Afghan Taliban, or LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyeba), it’s all of them working together.”

Following are verbatim quotes from what Gen (rtd) Jack Keane said at a discussion on Afghanistan organized by the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think-tank on June 30, 2011:

1. "The truth is, the ISI aids and abets the sanctuaries in Pakistan that the Afghan (Taliban) operate out of. They provide training for them, they provide resources for them and they provide intelligence for them. From those sanctuaries, every single day Afghan fighters come into Afghanistan and kill and maim us".
2. "There's a direct relationship of ISI's complicity and the deaths of American soldiers and the catastrophic wounding of those soldiers. The chief of staff of the Pakistani military is complicit. He used to be the director of ISI. He put the guy in there who is in charge now and he has full knowledge of what I'm just describing".
3. "There are two ammonium nitrate factories in Pakistan. 80 per cent of the explosive devices that are used to kill our soldiers, kill Afghan security forces and kill Afghan people come from Pakistan."
4. "All of what I just said to you, when we confront them with this, they lie to us.

With Pakistani Army headed by General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, who once headed ISI, repeatedly lying to the United States, America‘s Afghan mission was doomed from the very beginning.

For deliberately ignoring Taliban’s Pakistani connections, US deserves to be duped by Pakistan.

How long can US tolerate such Pakistani duplicity?

 

CNIRU

2:05 AM ET

September 25, 2011

Re:

Take out the nukes of the Pakistanis, dismember the Islamic polities in Af-Pak into ethno-linguistic based fragmentary states, that is the right thing to do and the only long term solution. Enforce UN mandated population transfers along ethnic and sectarian / religious lines.

Afghanistan:
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Cede Tajik areas to Tajikistan.
Cede Uzbek areas to Uzbekistan.
Split off Hazaras / Aimaqs in their respective states.

Common:
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Pathans (southern Afghanistan + FATA + KP except Chitral) in Af-Pak into Pashtunistan
Balochs in Af-Pak into a redrawn Balochistan

Pakistan
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Sindhis into Sindhudesh
Punjabis into West Punjab (optional breaking up for Seraikis)

Pakistan occupied ex-J&K:
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Chitral (now part of KP) & Gilgit-Baltistan into their own state (Karakorum)
AJK join with Indian controlled Kashmir (and ask India to split Kashmir Valley + AJK / Neelum Valley into province of Kashmir - give them option for plebiscite for independence, split Jammu and Ladakh off ex-J&K into smaller states under the Republic of India).

 

CNIRU

2:08 AM ET

September 25, 2011

Re:

Probably even Swat in KP should go to the Karakorum State along with Gilgit-Baltistan and Chitral.

 

NICOLAS19

6:24 AM ET

September 26, 2011

you have problem with a country? break it up!

How about carving up the US just because you don't like it?

 

NICOLAS19

6:24 AM ET

September 26, 2011

you have problem with a country? break it up!

How about carving up the US just because you don't like it?

 

VODABS

2:59 PM ET

September 26, 2011

PAK_US Relation update

A lady was getting her tooth removed. Doctor, "Ma'am you are holding my balls". Lady, "oh i know just a reminder that none of us hurts other"...........................

 

ETOILE

4:19 AM ET

September 29, 2011

wither pakistan?

you are talking as if pakistan were a helpless mexican city. IN reality, pakistan is a nuclear state with a military that brought about the demise of the soviet union. please note that pakistan is also not a friendless country. In the case of any full fledged attack from the United states, CHina, Iran and jihadists all over the world will come to its aid. If this happens this will lead to a third world war, in which , the usa will be annihilated in the face of crushing attacks from all those nations which abhor america. the list of such nations is unfortunately very long.

please dont think that those who are sitting at pentagon are damn fools who will dance to the tune of you wisdom. pakistan is not a lame duck. thank you.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

7:50 AM ET

September 25, 2011

Nothing will work with Feeble Pakistani Regime , Thuggish Army

The real Rulers of Pakistan, the Army and ISI were always very clear and focused what they were fighting for.

If the utterly wise, able and wealthy Americans thought that Pakistan was fighting its war to end terrorism, they have been fooled and deceived completely.

Pakistani Army have been fighting wars for Islam and Expansions. They have attacked India four times for these reasons only.

American poured billions of dollars, so they created illusions and gave impressions of be on the their side.

It is another matter that when you breed viper to let loose in the neighbor's house, vipers starts to bite and kill the breeders too.

Some of the terror groups turned rouge and more Islamist than was desired/expected and they started to disobey Pakistani army.

So when Khalid Mohammad Shaikh, who was holed up and protected by the serving deputy mayor of Islamabad, killed Daniel Peal and started boasting about, he being the master planner of 9/11 and not Osama Bin Laden, he was immediately betrayed and handed over to Americans.

Americans did come to know of the double game but having no other option played along, but there has to be a limit and perhaps that was crossed when Bin Laden was found and killed in Abbotabad.

American had a defining role in waging a jihad to fight Russians in Afghanistan and which was already underway and being taught and promoted in Al Azhar University of Cairo and elsewhere too, though feebly at that time.

The Jihad was promoted and taught to small school kids in Pakistan from time of Gen Zia Ul Haq and got exploded with war in Afghanistan.

For Pakistan, the Jihad started for annexing Kashmir and Colonizing Afghanistan has traveled back to its own main promoter with long term deadly consequences.

Civilian cardboard Rulers of Pakistan have no role and power in the game they are scapegoat and are being propped up and tolerated by the canny army.

The new hero of Pakistan, the playboy turned puritan Islamist Imran Khan never said a world about the real issues and only blamed the outsiders for the deep mess.

Carrot and Stick never work with terror promoting army thugs and mad Jihadis ready to take and give life.

American may remain or go out of the region they must focus how they can stop a probable nuclear 9/11 happening, originating from Pakistani soil perhaps using radicalized American citizen eager to meet 72 nubile nymphs in heaven and other alluring inducements of the lofty afterlife promised to teeming army of suicide bombers.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

9:50 AM ET

September 25, 2011

Pakistani Rulers have promoted Terrorism too

REDACTED,

You might be focused on to point out and hold only Americans responsible for explosive growth and export of Terrorism as cottage industry in Pakistan. But multiple events and related facts point out to age old home grown obsessive love for terrorism as state policy to realize stupid expansionist foreign policy goals.

Did uncle Sam ask Pakistani rulers to invite, train, hide, fund and facilitate about four dozen Indian criminals. killers, smugglers, thugs and terrorists?

Was ISI influenced by CIA to help terrorist to hijack an Indian Airlines plane and eventual release of three dreaded terrorists from the Indian jails?

Were Pakistani rulers were driven by common objectives with CIA to host, facilitate and fund Omar Shaikh to kill Danial pearl?

Perhaps according to some people with wild imaginations, he might be working for CIA when head of ISI, General Mahmud Ahmed helped him to send $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the lead 9/11 hijacker!!

American went terribly wrong but greedy and Islamist Pakistani rulers were also deeply interested in billions of Dollars and realization of their own expansionist and Islamist objectives using US funds through duplicity and deceit.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

12:06 PM ET

September 25, 2011

CIA deliberately radicalized pashtuns and Uzbeks to fight Soviet

Yes they did but Pakistanis told Uncle Sam to let them decide how and where to spend funds and find the Islamic warriors.

Pakistani rulers were very happy-eager contractors and partners in the game.

But now as some of fanatic terrorists and fighters, only they had selected and helped have turned against them.

Did Pakistanis ever said no to Jihad?

No, they never did because it was thought they would be freely playing their own expansionist and Islamic double game, using funds and arms given by rich uncle Sam.

Osama is gone but others are still helped to hide act out their death game of Islamic fanaticism by exporting terrorism across the world. Some times Pakistanis know what going on, some time they don't and might even turn a blind eye.

The biggest terrorist group, India has to deal with is Pakistan's Inter-services Intelligence (ISI) along with its teeming affiliates.

 

ARRANJOS FLOR

9:00 AM ET

September 25, 2011

US tolerate such Pakistani duplicity

Yea, U. S. has deliberately deluded itself about Afghan Taliban’s Pakistani connections in fueling and sustaining Afghan insurgency as reported by Matt Waldman in ‘The sun in the sky‘ on 6/13/2010...
Ar Condicionado Imoveis Acompanhantes Massagistas

 

VISIONTUNNEL

12:57 PM ET

September 25, 2011

A Comment on Guardian about Pakistan

No war can be won if the wrong target is chosen to fight. The Americans had a lot of money and resources and they allied with the villain in fighting a shadow. After draining all the money and wasting away time, they now are realizing that they could have gone after the real villain after all. They knew they were being cheated by Pakistan's military and its ISI all along. They knew this cartel is the main villain - not the Arabs, not the Taliban and not even the Al Qaeda. These organizations are mere stems sprouting out at various places, giving the appearance of poisonous trees. The real poison has always been in the root, which had cleverly hid itself underground and the Americans have been faithfully pouring water to it and giving it all the nourishment and care. Now that root has become stronger and almost indestructible. And the Americans are fatigued trying to chop off the branches, leaves and stems of the shoots that have sprouted in various places. If America withdraws in a haste, they should remember this - they might have the watch, but time is in the hands of the real villain. They will become bolder by the "defeat" of yet another super power. And they will spread their tentacles farther and wider with more offshoots that will spread into the shores of a broke America and Europe, wreaking havoc and chaos. There is no way peace will return to Afghanistan or even the cozy lands of America and Europe. A weakened economy is perfect setting for a strike that cannot be stopped. And retaliation would be impossible. If the US wants peace, it has to go to war with the real villain - the hosts of Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban. Time is running out.

 

AHSON HASAN

8:43 PM ET

September 25, 2011

Pakistan is losing it...

Coup time in Pakistan? Unilateral US airstrikes in Waziristan?

With all this tension going on, something's got to give. The Pakistanis need to cooperate. Putting roadblocks in the way of the fight again the fundamentalists and terrorists is not going to help Pakistan's cause. They already lost the gold opportunity of handing over OBL; they need to be straightforward with respect to the Haqqani network - come out clean and help wipe off the evil of terrorism from its soil.

The Pakistanis will only benefit from the cooperation and strategic goodwill extended to the US. The numb nuts running Pakistan need to watch it!

 

AHSON HASAN

4:25 AM ET

September 26, 2011

NOT propagating WAR...

With all due respect, please understand that I am NOT arguing to open yet another war front. I'm questioning the rationale of the Pakistani stubbornness, their resistance to take action against the Haqqani network. The authorities over there know of the existence, operational strength and the main role players within the terrorist dynamics. They need to stop patronizing extremists and start listening more to the possibility of helping the Western powers to root out this terrible menace of terrorism. If ever I were a decision maker, war would be the last item on my agenda.

 

PHI11

5:36 AM ET

September 26, 2011

oh well

When are we going to stop yelling and blabbering ? people are dying here and you people are just trying to be a critic? Come on people ! grow up and raise your bar !!
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NICOLAS19

6:38 AM ET

September 26, 2011

timeframe

I wonder why it took a decade to "take off the gloves". In twenty years' time maybe we can see some new policies for a change? Then withdrawal in 2050 perhaps?

 

SKIP

10:15 AM ET

September 26, 2011

HEY!

Can we cancel US aid to pakistan and give it to israel? Im sure our congress has already thought of this great idea!

 

DEBANJAN

11:13 AM ET

September 26, 2011

Wishful thinking

It has been wishful thinking on behalf of someone like Ahson Hasan to say that Pakistan should give up its links with Haqqani network. Listen , the Haqqanis are the most organized groups in Afghanistan and in the possible post-US Afghanistan only chaous will rule and only the most organized can unite and bring order to the chaous. I do believe it is sensible on the part of Pakistanis to have their ties with the most organized and disciplined group the Haqqanis (as well as the Taliban leadership) in keeping mind the chaotic nature of post-America Afghanistan.

Dear CNIRU , the real situation is not that easy to provide a Bangladesh-like situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
1. There are plenty of Baluchi or Sindhi people who still consider themselves as Muslims first , Pakistanis second and everything else later.
2. There is a proverb saying those living in glass houses should not throw stones. Remember there are plenty of opposition to oppression in Indian controlled Kashmir , North-Eastern Indian states (Nagaland , Manipur and Assam for example) or even Maoists (central India for example) and remember ISI has still left with very good organizational capabilties to wreck havoc in India by combining these insurgencies toghether.
3. There are plenty of opposition to the Union in the USA in places like Texas , Arizona , Virginia or Georgia against federal control from Washington DC. Remember these states have been kept in permanent military occupation since the end of American civil war by the Ameican north. ISI may think about doing something there in future if the elites in Washington and New Delhi thinks about repeating Bangladesh in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

2:29 PM ET

September 26, 2011

Those who live by Guns, die of Gun Shots

DEBANJAN,

"ISI may think about doing something there in future if the elites in Washington and New Delhi thinks about repeating Bangladesh in Afghanistan and Pakistan."

You sound, as if ISI thugs will rule the world, one day.

Thugs and Criminals will do what they are good at, crimes and killings.

They must be dealt with in the right way.

 

THE GLOBALIZER

5:28 PM ET

September 26, 2011

Hat tip to Obama.

A rare one, but I'll give it freely. Nice to see some cajones being displayed, and we're not "engaging" the leadership of Pakistan. Billions of dollars buys leverage, so let's use it, and pull it back if we don't get what we want. Realpolitik, muthaf****.

Realistically, Afghanistan and Pakistan are flyover territory for much of the world and certainly for us. Let the Chinese dream of pearls and pipelines and deal with that morass. We have better prospects with India as an ally than the lunacy of central Asia. (Frankly, India should be our #1 priority in terms of relationship growth.)

 

HUMANCITIZEN

9:09 PM ET

September 26, 2011

http://humancitizenhome.blogspot.com/

U.S. pressure is increasing but how does this affect our priorities in ending the Wars? Or are they mutually exclusive?

 

LEEPEFLEY

1:42 AM ET

September 27, 2011

final whimpers

Seeing as how the American leadership has opted to withdraw our country from membership in Western society, and acknowledging the citizen's duty to lend assistance to democratically derived authority, I propose that we continue to intervene more and more frequently into more and more exotic locales as identified by Isreal, while at the same time continuing to engorge ourselves on the racial sewage emanating from Central and South America. In that way we might reduce our death throes to just, say, twenty or thirty years!

 

GETLIKES

7:52 AM ET

September 27, 2011

Remember there are plenty of

Remember there are plenty of opposition to oppression in Indian controlled Kashmir , North-Eastern Indian states (Nagaland , Manipur and Assam for example) or even Maoists (central India for example) and remember ISI has still left with very good organizational capabilties to wreck havoc in India by combining these insurgencies toghether.

 

VISIONTUNNEL

12:31 PM ET

September 27, 2011

GetLikes, What makes you

GetLikes,

What makes you think ISI has not been trying to use each and every opportunity to harm India and the world at large?

26/11 Mumbai Attack:

ISI operations were literally controlling and coordinating it from the beginning till the end.

Evidence against the ISI emerged from the interrogation by Indian officials of a Chicago man, David Headley, who pleaded guilty to working with LeT to plan the attacks.

The Islamisation of the Indian Northeast:

It is spurred by ISI and instability in neighboring Bangladesh which is giving foreign powers (China and Pakistan) a gamut of exploitable opportunities.

ISI had also supported Khalistani movement.

Bangalore Police had unearthed a terror plot involving Pakistan's ISI to commit terrorist acts in India with the help of Dawood Ibrahim-the Indian fugitive holed up in Karachi. Two men have been arrested while they were trying to establish contact with leaders of the Maoist movement in the country. The plan was to invite Maoist leaders to Dubai for a meeting.

Indian Parliament was attacked by Jaith E Mohammad, a terrorist group propped up and helped by ISI.

Pakistan based terrorist were helped by ISI to hijack IC-814 from Kathmandu to Delhi and used to force released of there dreaded Pakistani terrorist imprisoned in Indian jails.

One British national of Pakistan origin, Omar Shaikh later lived in Pakistan, killed Danial Pearl and sent 100,000 USD to Mohammad Atta, the lead 9/11 attacker.

Omar Shaikh was helped by High Ranking ISI officer for sending money to Atta.

The list is endless..

 

WILLIAMK

10:27 AM ET

September 27, 2011

Coup time in Pakistan?

Coup time in Pakistan? Unilateral US airstrikes in Waziristan?

With all this tension going on, something's got to give. The Pakistanis need to cooperate. Putting roadblocks in the way of the fight again the fundamentalists and terrorists is not going to help Pakistan's cause. They already lost the gold opportunity of handing over OBL; they need to be straightforward with respect to the Haqqani network - come out clean and help hebergeur d'image wipe off the evil of terrorism from its soil.

The Pakistanis will only benefit from the cooperation and strategic goodwill extended to the US. The numb nuts running Pakistan need to watch it!

 

JAYDEE001

10:28 AM ET

September 27, 2011

This is astonishing!

"NATO force levels in Afghanistan are at their zenith, so if there is ever going to be a time for credible threats to expand the conflict into the Pakistani tribal areas where the Haqqani network is headquartered, it is now."

The author is actually calling for expansion of the war into Pakistan - a nuclear armed nation that we have supported and armed for decades. Has Congress authorized such an expansion of our war in Afghanistan? Has the President and his administration made any attempt to explain the reason for such an adventure, or its long term costs? By what Constitutionally-based arguments do we justify the expansion, let alone the continuation of the conflict in Afghanistan, after the death of Bin Laden and many of al Qaeda's top leaders?

If we simply declare victory and withdraw, we do not have to worry about Pakistan's duplicity, we do not have to continue to send hundreds of billions of dollars to the Pakistani military , we do not have to worry about land supply routes for our troops who will have left, we do not have to worry about the criminal binLaden sheltering ISI, and we do not have to take any responsibility when Afghanistan drowns in its own corruption.

Al Qaeda has already opened new fronts in Yemen, Somalia, etc. They can be dealt with using far less military force than we have in Afghanistan. Since they are stateless, there should never have been any need to invade and occupy either Afghanistan or Iraq, at least to the extent we have over ten long years. There is ample evidence that the insurgencies we faced in these two 'countries' were more of a reaction to US lead interventions and occupations than a reason for them. (There were insurgencies because we were there.)

As others have already said - it is past time to get our troops out of god-forsaken Afghanistan - let them stay where they are, in the 14th century. As for Pakistan, lets stop funding their criminal government and let them destroy their nation themselves.

 

ROHINTON

8:55 AM ET

September 28, 2011

Leverage

Washington may not have leverage against Pakistan today. However a carefully worded statement from Washington supporting Baluchi rights the next time the Pakistani army kills Baluchi civilians will definitely get Pakistans attention.
Support for Baluchi nationalists would
-generate goodwill from a relatively secular movement that has so far shown no interest in Islamic radicalism and desires greater autonomy.
-weaken Pakistani access to the natural resources of Baluchistan
-weaken Chinese access to Gwadar and the Persian gulf
-weaken Iran by indirectly supporting Jundallah
and weakening Pakistani influence in Baluchistan would open alternative safer routes to Afghanistan

 

ETOILE

4:46 AM ET

September 29, 2011

ISI answers farts of raw by exploding real bombs?

vision tunnel,

It is really unfortunate that your perspective on isi and pak army , is profoundly coloured by the propaganda spawned by indian hawks on pakistan. why , sir, are you so biased against these entities. if you throw off the glasses of indian propaganda through which you happen to view them, you will come to know that the ISI and pak army are doing a commendable job in keeping the balance of power in south asia on an even keel.

ISI mainly responds to the threats and acts of terrorism perpetrated in pakistan by raw. IT is widely known in all knowledgeable circles that raw has been supporting and backing baloch insurgents and anti pakistan pakhtun groups since 2001 when indians landed in afghanistan, on the invitation of usa.

india has incrementally set up 29 consulates along the durand line. would you please tell me what the heck are they doing there. surely, your indianness, would know that they are training baloch insurgents and anti pakistan pakhtuns there. without an iota of doubt , the usa is hand in glove with india in this filthy buisness. it was the usa which invited indians to come to afghanistan in the first place and surely certain nefarious motives impelled the usa to do that.

on the one hand you accuse pakistan of duplicity but on the other hand you gloss over the duplicitous behaviour of indians and americans.

one thing is very clear, us in cahoots with india are making frantic efforts to destroy pakistan. against such a backdrop , is not pakistan justified in making alliances with the taliban and pakhtun militant groups. if pakistan fails to court talibans , the indians and americans will.

better bleed occupational forces through alliances with the taliban than getting bled at the hands of occupational forces.

 

ETOILE

10:24 AM ET

September 30, 2011

yes its true

dear dr. kukhbhi,

there is irrefutable evidence that there are 29 indian consulates along the durand line. indians admit officially that there are four indian consulates operating in afghanistan but in reality there are 29 consulates. your advising me that i shouldnot pay heed to what isi and pak army say is tantamount to the pot calling the kettle black. you indians always see the world through the eyes of indian agencies and government.

indians massacred indian muslims in gujrat and your politicians and agencies blamed pakistan for this violence. your army and agencies are killing muslims in kashmir by the thousands and you turn a blind eye to that. recently unmarked graves of indian muslims killed by indian security forces have been discovered.

you rant like madmen when it comes to what isi and pak army do in afghnaistan but when it comes to the horrible crimes of raw and indian army you keep mum and look the other way.

after the incident of samjhota express, you indians parroted day and night that isi was behind it, oh isi was behind it. in fact you sang the praise of isi so much that i thought you would turn it into a bollywood song. now recent findings by your own agencies have enlightened the world that it was your hindoo rascals who did it.

what would you say about that , your democratic indianess.

 

ETOILE

10:32 AM ET

September 30, 2011

the indian government lies to the world!!!

dear dr. kuchbhi,

The Indian governement is a big liar. your government deports human rights activists like barsamian and says he violated visa restrictions last time he came to india that is why he has been deported this time around.

oh how angelic your government is , how innocent you are and how foolish i am that i am trying to talk sense ito those who dont know what it means.

 

GEORGE1

9:19 PM ET

October 2, 2011

U.S can’t afford to lose Pakistan as its ally

U.S. has more to lose for keeping silent about Pakistan’s abetment of terrorism. U.S voicing its protest against Pakistan now after remaining an ally for decades has only confirmed the fears of breach of trust between these nations. The situation is going to get uglier for U.S whose protests against Pakistan’s support to Haqqani network remind us of the antiinflammatory foods that fight back inflammation. U.S is yet to discover what might be in store for them once they turn into an opponent like loosing aerial routes to Afghanistan and all!

 

YARINSIZ

6:15 PM ET

October 18, 2011

The overwhelming majority

The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the longstanding, seslichat even increasing support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf states.

 

MAC THELIN

5:30 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Only the withdrawal of

Only the withdrawal of American and NATO boots on the ground will begin to allow the process of near-frantic emotions to subside within Pakistan, and for the region sazkove kancelare to start to cool down. Pakistan is experienced in governance and is well able to deal with its own Islamists and tribalists under normal circumstances; until recently, Pakistani Islamists had one of the lowest rates of electoral success in the Muslim world.But U.S. policies have now driven sazkove kancelarelocal nationalism, xenophobia and Islamism to combined fever pitch. As Washington demands that Pakistan redeem failed American policies in Afghanistan, Islamabad can no longer manage its domestic crisis.The Pakistani army is more than capable of maintaining state power against tribal sazkove kancelare militias and to defend its own nukes. Only a convulsive nationalist revolutionary spirit could change that -- something most Pakistanis do not want. But Washington can still succeed in destabilizing Pakistan if it perpetuates its present hard-line strategies. A new chapter of military rule -- not what Pakistan needs -- will be the likely result, and even then Islamabad's sazkove kancelare basic policies will not change, except at the cosmetic level.

 

ELI

1:08 AM ET

October 21, 2011

Washington always tempered

Washington always tempered its criticism of Pakistan for fear that pushing too hard might break the relationship in ways that would cause more harm than good. U.S. officials have always known that the major supply lines for American forces in Afghanistan run through Pakistan's ports, highways, and airspace. U.S. officials have always valued aspects of counterterrorism cooperation that take place in the shadows, away from the glare of the press and the scrutiny of the public. And they have always hoped that by engaging Pakistan's military and civilian leaders, they would gradually work toward a more effective partnership that could satisfy both American and Pakistani security requirements. Search for executive careers