You Should Be Ashamed!

Russian democracy, civil society, and economy may all look bad from the outside. But to hear Putin talk, it’s the West that should be embarrassed.

BY JULIA IOFFE | SEPTEMBER 23, 2011

MOSCOW — Speaking to a roundtable about civil society at the United Russia party congress on Sept. 23, the day before it was announced that he would be running for president in the 2012 election,  Prime Minister Vladimir Putin gave a frank and honest assessment of the Russian legal system.

"I wouldn't say that our legal system ... is any worse than the Anglo-American system," he said. "In some ways, it is even better." He went on to explain that because the Russian legal system is continental in its etiology, your average Russian citizen could pick his way through a codex and even defend himself in court. But his point is really that Western criticism of the Russian judiciary -- corrupt, politicized, and Byzantine as it may be -- is hypocritical. We may jail an oligarch every now and then, our conviction rate may be 99 percent, in other words, but you guys regularly kill people.

This is one of Putin's favorite arguments: We are no worse than you, America and Europe. In fact, we are, in many ways, better. Over his 12 years at the top of Russian political life, Putin has responded to many a catastrophe with this simple formulation. Through Vovo's lens, Russia doesn't look so bad at all, especially when compared with the deeply hypocritical West.With Putin now putting himself in position to potentially rule Russia until 2024, the world will be hearing a lot more of these opinions.

Here are a few of his most insistent attempts to tilt the angle.

The World's Air Bag

Two weeks after Lehmann Brothers imploded in October 2008, Putin said, "Everything happening now in the economic and financial sphere began in the United States. This is not the irresponsibility of specific individuals but the irresponsibility of the system that claims leadership." His finance minister had a few months before called Russia an "island of stability in a sea of world crisis" and argued that Russia's currency reserves would act as an "air bag" for the rest of the world during the collapse.

Not long after Putin's speech, the bottom dropped out of the Russian economy. It was the hardest hit of the BRICS, leading many economists to wonder publicly if "BRIC" even needed that R.

NATALIA KOLESNIKOVA/AFP/Getty Images

 

Julia Ioffe is Foreign Policy's Moscow correspondent.

RHEYANNA

8:22 AM ET

September 24, 2011

Even in Russia

Even in Russia there is a muslim threat that putin knows very well and will not allow
Here in America we have no backbone of politicians or authority or preachers to speak the truth about the muslim threat and their intentions in enforcing sharia law
No other religious group does this outright disrepect of our country's laws and heritage.
Will it all workout? Guess we will see

 

XTIANGODLOKI

12:46 PM ET

September 24, 2011

The world is run by thick skinned realists

Although most people who vote prefer to be thought as idealists. What end up happening is that Western politicians pretend to be idealists in their political speeches while their foreign policy decisions tell other wise. Then people like Putin call out the hypocrisy.

 

RKKA

1:16 AM ET

September 25, 2011

Spare us the bloviating

"This is not the irresponsibility of specific individuals but the irresponsibility of the system that claims leadership." His finance minister had a few months before called Russia an "island of stability in a sea of world crisis" and argued that Russia's currency reserves would act as an "air bag" for the rest of the world during the collapse. "

And Russia has recovered her 2007 GNP. Those very currency reserves you show such contempt for allowed Russia to do the Keynesian thing as Lord Keynes intended, out of savings rather than by borrowing. Is the US anywhere close to doing so? No. In fact, the US and EU policy responses have not only failed to lead to recovery, but are dragging the whole world into another Great Depression.

The fact of the matter is, what really drives the outrage of Anglosphere bloviators about Russian governance was summed up by Putin in remarkably few words:

"We will react to preserve our interests."

 

RUSPY

1:18 PM ET

September 25, 2011

full article pro-American

full article pro-American shit))))

 

BMILLIONAIRE324

5:48 PM ET

September 26, 2011

It is true

I agree that the financial sphere began in the United States and I also agree that we are the ones that show irresponsibility and lack of investigation in many things to leave the world close to a recession which for those that don't what it is: Recession is a business cycle contraction, a general slowdown in economics. And this is going to affect the whole world, Finance is a sensitive subject that has to be addressed right now by every american and anyone else in the world otherwise you will be struggling financially and believe me if I tell you that it will also affect your relationship back home as financial will be stressing the both of you.
Regards.

 

MY EXPERT PC

6:04 PM ET

September 26, 2011

Legal System

Its funny that Moscow seems to think they have a better legal system then the US. I disagree and think that the US legal system works a bit better. We have much better communication through technology and our computer systems.

 

URGELT

3:08 AM ET

September 27, 2011

Two Ugly Systems

Russia's legal system does seem to be about as corrupt as it's possible to be.

The American system has deep flaws, however, and it's getting worse, I think. Problems with it include:

- Complexity. Nobody has a more complex legal system than the US; even judges flounder to figure out what the code means. Complexity leads to arbitrary outcomes. But it also raises the cost of operating our legal system, which pressures police and prosecutors to get the job done as cheaply as they can, which means not really caring much about quality evidence.

- Unfairness. Poor people aren't defended, they're railroaded into accepting plea arrangements under threat of worse penalties if they do not cooperate.

- Vultures. A "vulture" is a professional witness who makes good money from prosecutors to prop up carelessly-developed evidence. Wealthy people can afford to pay for expert witnesses of their own to testify in their defense; poor people cannot, and so vulture testimony usually goes unchallenged in cases against the poor.

- Racial bias. A black male is convicted the moment he appears in our courts, unless he's fortunate enough to be wealthy.

- Death penalty. The grim truth is that some of the people we execute (not all, of course) were convicted on flimsy evidence; they were "railroaded" and punished for refusing to agree to a plea bargain.

- Criminalization of harmless activities. Millions of US prisoners were never convicted of harming another person: they did not steal, they did not hurt, they did not murder, they did not rape.

- Prison abuse. We are completely insensitive in the US to the abuse of prisoners; it's a cultural meme that most US citizens hold, that whatever happens to a prisoner is fine, they have it coming to them. Incarceration isn't enough for us, and we relish the notion that gang fights, bullying, rapes and murders are common in our prisons, perpetrated both by other prisoners and by their guards.

- Prison food. If you do not meet the nutritional requirements of prisoners, they'll go nuts. And they do. Industrially processed foods devoid of nutrients are the rule, not the exception.

- Graft. The commercial prison industry is growing by leaps and bounds, lubricated by contributions to state and federal politicians. The very notion of private enterprise profiting from the misery of humans is repulsive to me.

- Lousy medical care. Many prisoners are mentally ill and receive no health services for it. Medical care for other prisoner needs is substandard.

- Abuse of police authority. Not all cops are crooked or abusive. But too many are, and they are protected and encouraged. What is more, we are institutionalizing violations of our own Constitution, chipping away at the Bill of Rights, spying on not just suspects but *everyone*, without even bothering to pretend to require warrants.

- Rendition, torture, and murder: completely extralegal actions against suspects who never are given their day in court.

Hell, I could go on, but what's the point?

Here's the point: we are a cruel culture whose legal system preys on the poor, the mentally disabled, and those who defy mainstream morality, in addition to genuine criminals (those who harm others). Our cruelty arises from fear, mostly. We are not a courageous people, but a fearful one, and we are eager to accept the fruits of authoritarianism for that reason.

It is a mistake to presume that our legal system is static. It is not. These phenomena are advancing; abuses are on the rise, and it will end with rule by fiat. We don't have far to go.

Rule by fiat is what Russia truly has. The US is rapidly catching up, and that fact ought to horrify us.

 

GETLIKES

7:49 AM ET

September 27, 2011

We are completely insensitive

We are completely insensitive in the US to the abuse of prisoners; it's a cultural meme that most US citizens hold, that whatever happens to a prisoner is fine, they have it coming to them. Incarceration isn't enough for us, and we relish the notion that gang fights, bullying, rapes and murders are common in our prisons, perpetrated both by other prisoners and by their guards.

 

KUNINO

4:23 PM ET

September 27, 2011

Nothing new here

There was a Cold war joke along these lines in the late 1950s. An American visitor, shown through the impossibly beautiful Moscow underground train system asks why he's seen no trains. The official guide replies: "What about Little Rock?" -- where, at the time, the Arkansan national guard surrounded the all-white Central high school to keep black kids out, and Eisenhower sent in the army, rifles at the ready, to ensure that the nine frightened black young Americans kids were admitted to classes there.

Images of the confrontation had gone worldwide, not to America's benefit.

 

APOSTOL_K

10:25 PM ET

September 28, 2011

Bias!

I don’t see what’s new and informative here! Those who read the foreign press are well acquainted with Putin’s statements and most American readers love the type of sarcasm this article has to offer... It seems like the author is trying to even the score and there is nothing original in it!

Why is it that every article written by an American author about Russia must ridicule its leaders and system? (The only one who gets glorified is Gorbachev, for obvious reasons.)
Even the photo you chose carries a message…

Perhaps Putin has a point after all?!!

 

SARAHZ

9:27 PM ET

October 10, 2011

Putin speaks out the truth

In general, Putin’s outburst against countries like U.S and Europe speaks out the truth, in spite of the caustic nature in which they were told. Russia is being honest about their poor economic situation and has been putting up a brave front in spite of its adversity, whereas; U.S is struggling to control and conceal its internal sour-puss conditions by acting prim and nonchalant. Putin’s comments make us think of the double standards these countries have been following and how wrong it is for any country to encourage separatism in other lands. As a quality controller of vitalzym, I think this has brought interesting facts to the fore and had kicked up a valid debate.

 

YARINSIZ

6:17 PM ET

October 18, 2011

Those very currency reserves

Those very currency reserves you show such contempt for allowed Russia to do the Keynesian thing as Lord Keynes intended, out of savings rather than by borrowing. Is the US anywhere close seslichat to doing so? No. In fact, the US and EU policy responses have not only failed to lead to recovery, but are dragging the whole world into another Great Depression

 

CARTHAGIAN

2:55 PM ET

October 23, 2011

Putin does have a point when

Putin does have a point when he states that he's not pleased when the west threw their weight behind the breakaway state of Kosovo in February 2010 and labeled Europe hypocrites when it came to separation in Cyprus and Northern Ireland. Very clever in accusing Europe of playing musical chairs with their policy of separation and breaking away.