On March 11, 2010, in Beijing, Chinese paramilitary police march in formation on a Tiananmen Square closed off for the annual meeting of the National People's Congress.
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JBROCKLE
6:14 AM ET
January 5, 2011
This rising military power...
Is very good at parades! I mean, I definitely accept the likelihood of a more assertive China (partly because of its military) but are these really the best pictures to show it? The only piece of hardware shown was a single outdated tank.
TEASER38
1:41 PM ET
January 5, 2011
It was a Taiwanese tank at that...
Also noticed that the Vietnamese marines were sporting M-16 style rifles.
FP_RESPONSE
7:13 PM ET
January 7, 2011
This rising military power...
Love the picture of the Chinese ladies at the fire drill... hope someone lines them up and bangs them, Mao-style.
JEFF67LA
6:43 PM ET
January 10, 2011
Chinese Rifle Identified
Weapons in photo are Chinese manufactured bullpup rifles. Model No. QBZ-95. Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBZ-95
AKIRA
1:50 PM ET
January 5, 2011
This article tells me that
This article tells me that China has a lot of people who wear uniforms, occasionally hold guns, and are capable of walking, not to mention photographers who are capable of taking pictures. Therefore the U.S. should be careful because this means China will be more assertive in the years ahead.
Foreign Policy, thank you. With articles like this you really raise the level of debate in this country about China's rise.
ALEXBC
3:26 PM ET
January 5, 2011
Indeed
I couldn't have said it better. This article is so subtle and detailed...
MOZAN
3:51 PM ET
January 5, 2011
Portraits of a Rising Military Power
The title of this photo gallery suggests you are thinking of a single military power and most of the photos are focused on troops of the PRC. However, within, we also find photos from Vietnam, and South Korea, countries that once had a tributary relationship with China, as well as a photo fromTaiwan, a country once partially occupied by China. So, I'm wondering whether your gallery is trying to suggest those nations are, in the early 21st Century, less than completely independent of the PRC.
Secondly, most of the photos show masses of Chinese troops, which China has always had. However, in your gallery, they are wearing their colorful, new uniforms, not the dull, cotton quilted uniforms of the past. Does investment in pretty, new uniforms for its troops make a country a "rising power", or more "assertive"?
STEVELAUDIG
3:59 PM ET
January 5, 2011
Questions:
How many countries does China have bases in? How much does it spend on it's military? What weapons is China sending to the Conch Republic that is trying to break away from the U.S.? What countries has China embargoed for 40 years? Is FP lickspittling for the U.S. imperialists again? Or is this simply "non-journalism"?
DR. JONES JR.
4:11 PM ET
January 5, 2011
Imperialists...
Do bases in East Turkestan, Tibet, or the Paracel and Spratly Islands count? ;-)
Not sure what embargoing has to do with anything, however. Much better than sending troops, right?
JIMI4FUN
5:04 PM ET
January 11, 2011
US government told these places belong to China
Check out this video...what shown starting 3:00 would answer your questions.
JIMI4FUN
5:04 PM ET
January 11, 2011
here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lQTWtokeF5Q#!
FEYNMANFANGIRL
9:14 AM ET
January 18, 2011
The Conch Republic?!
You know that was a joke, right? Like... literally. It was intended to be humorous. At least give something vaguely credible like the Alaskan separatists.
DR. JONES JR.
4:06 PM ET
January 5, 2011
Next up: Chinese Soldier Fashion Week
The tagline should have been "Get ready for a more fashionable military power".
Overall, a shoddily organized "photo-essay" that had loosely-organized photos, but little if any essay. More detailed analysis of Chinese military build-up/expenditure and less Vietnamese, Taiwanese, and S. Korean soldiers, please.
I guess this is the magazine equivalent of two weeks of re-runs during the late December and early January holiday season?
ISAMU
8:28 PM ET
January 5, 2011
Fashion week
I got all excited about a new sex and the city until I realized it wasn't an e-trailer.
XTIANGODLOKI
4:20 PM ET
January 5, 2011
PAP (People's armed police) is not the PLA
In China both the armed police and the military share similar green uniforms (type 07). For internal activities such as guarding public buildings or embassies this is performed by the PAP and not the PLA. Many of the pictures here of guys in green uniforms (such as the ones guarding Shanghai Expo) are thus incorrectly labeled. As with other nation's military forces, PLA soldiers do not know how to handle public security all that well. This concept should not be that difficult to grasp but whoever wrote the description for the pictures appear to be both ignorant and lazy.
Besides confusing Chinese internal security with the PLA, I still don't understand why the pictures are supposed to prove "China's military assertiveness" when a good amount of them are pictures of soldiers from Vietnam and Korea.
PUBLICUS
8:34 AM ET
January 9, 2011
Tienaman Square Massacre
Yes, the People's Armed Police (PAP) was formed after the June 4, 1989 PLA massacre of unarmed civilian demonstrators and protestors in Tienaman Square. The PLA found massacring the mass of unarmed Chinese civilians a bit too distasteful and required the CCP to found and to organize a new body to do any such dirty work in the future, hence, the PAP, the guys we see above. Take a good look at these guys, everyone. If you are mainland Chinese and are reading this piece, you know these are the guys who will shoot and kill you if you raise a hand lettered sign in public. These guys we see above will shoot to kill without limit any and all Chinese civilians anytime anywhere. The order to do it is all they want or live for.
FEYNMANFANGIRL
9:18 AM ET
January 18, 2011
Visit China. It might surprise you.
Political demonstrators are NOT getting gunned down in the street, real reform IS happening including a more independent judiciary. Is it as open and free as it should be? I don't believe so. But how many years was Taiwan under one party rule before democracy could flourish? Or South Korea? Social change takes time, and ignorant fear mongering does not help it.
PUBLICUS
2:18 PM ET
January 19, 2011
Ignorant fearmongering??????
The word "ignorant" seems popular among the Chicom 'cognescenti' who make their droppings at this thread. Only you guys who leave behind your droppings know anything, right? I see further that we who are cultural plebes need to be read the riot act by those in the know, that is, by the makers of the droppings we see. However, history shows us that fascists consistently overestimate themselves in their dictatorship while simultaneously underestimating those for whom they have only contempt, i.e., democracies and democratic societies, cultures.
DIE ZAUBERFLOTE
2:36 PM ET
January 20, 2011
feynmanfangirl
Do you know how anything that's a little pro-CCP or pro-China is deemed the product of a brainwashed Chinese citizen? There's a "free" world counterpart of that... these guys will tell you that life in China is so scary, we'd all get shot at the drop of a hat. I almost believed that.
When I first flew to Beijing, I thanked the immigration officer stamping my US passport (I love collecting immigration stamps from all over the world in my passport, so I was thrilled to have it) in Mandarin and she gave me a stare... I thought to myself "OK, I'm gonna end up in immigration jail for thanking her". But I soon realized that my passport had no indication that I could speak Mandarin -- I don't have a Chinese first, middle, or last name at all, although I am thinking of adding a Chinese name somewhere -- even though I can look Chinese if one tries hard enough. She quickly recovered and replied "not at all" in mandarin too.
This little incident illustrates the effects fearmongering has on ordinary people. I am making it my personal mission to reduce this fear-mongering.
P.S. I like feynman too.
HEAD SPACED
7:29 PM ET
February 1, 2011
FEYNMANFANGIRL's remarks
FEYNMANFANGIRL can try and make a point by comparing the former governments in Asia that have become democratically elected. However, which of those she listed have followed such courses of direct military competition with the US? Though one could argue the North Koreans and their attempts at nuclear weapons, but who else has a program for nuclear powered aircraft carriers? Space weapons? SSBNs? Ignorant comments? More like ignorant posting by her.
PAPAPENG
7:35 PM ET
January 5, 2011
Uniformed Personnel
When I was in Beijing-Shanghai last March I saw many men in military type uniforms. In Tiananmen Square there were at least six different uniform types, some armed, some not. What's worse is in many large public and private buildings the security guards are also dressed like military personnel. They are not and are at best private guards charged with not much above the duties of a door guard or parking attendant. Back in 2006 when I was last in Beijing the situation was even worse with private (parking attendant) guards dressed like swat teams complete with shoulder patches rank insignia. The locals who know exactly who they are (nobodies) ignore them or treat them with contempt. This incident had fatal consequences. A bank customer was just leaving the bank when an armored truck crew was delivering cash to the bank. This customer was shouted at to move away. But he ignored them as he would any rude self important door guard. They shot him. Big scandal. Calls for curbs on military like uniforms for private security guards. Better training for armed private security guards, etc.
MA
12:09 PM ET
January 6, 2011
If you don't know China's
If you don't know China's situation, you'd better not pretend to know that you know it!
This title does not at all match its contents! absurd to see pictures of other countries.
A few fancy pictures will prove the "assertiveness" of China? stop it!
Let my give this article a name"titileism".
MASCARRA
4:15 AM ET
January 7, 2011
The comments seemed to be a
The comments seemed to be a lot more informative about China's Military situation than the 'essay' itself. Says a lot about the average FP reader. Although I like FP, I think the readers should have been assigned to write this piece. It seemed like a lazy student being corrected by 12 sarcastic teachers.
RAY1938
9:26 PM ET
January 7, 2011
Creating a Boon to American Arms Sales
This is going to be so good for U.S. arms sales and that's just about all America manufactures these days. America loves war.
JUSTMYSIDE
4:20 AM ET
January 9, 2011
China
China's main concern in the immediate future is home defense, with upgrading its missile technology, J11(Su-27), & 5th generation fighters. From the Aircraft carrier killer missile, to fast attack boats, subs, to an aircraft carrier. From home defense, territorial waters are next. Trying to gain control of the China sea, & area water bodies, to push US naval forces further away from Taiwan. China is actively expanding into the Caribbean & South America, & already control the Panama Canal. PLC even snuck in 15,000 fake birth certificates for their soldiers. One story I read stated 100,000 Chinese unofficially in Panama. Working their docks & old US ports. With their missile technology advancing I hope the US is taking serious pro-cautions toward their southern border.
ROBINYATESPH
1:36 AM ET
January 14, 2011
Rising Military Power
thanks for a glimpse into China,
BILL888
2:32 PM ET
January 15, 2011
Beyond the J-20
Every one had taken noticed of the successful maiden flight of the J-20, the so called fifth generation combat aircraft (fourth generation by USA numbering). However, all the English news had missed the news about China's 6th generation space vehicle successful flight that was in a lot of Chinese Official news. By the time the USA launches its X-37 (spatial military vehicle), China will probably roll out the similar spatial (atmospheric) vehicle roughly at the same time. At then, there will not be significant technological gap.
HURRICANEWARNING
6:46 PM ET
January 17, 2011
we have already had multiple
we have already had multiple successful space flights of our new unmaned orbital weapons platform. No biggie. We are beyond china in this realm. about 400billion dollars beyond them at my last count.
HURRICANEWARNING
6:58 PM ET
January 17, 2011
I learned absolutely nothing from this article...
this seems like a piece designed to stir up nationalism or something. China is a long ways off from being able to go toe to toe with us militarily. Despite the hype, we would literally lay waste to them in any type of formal combat. That's why they have spent all their money on "asymetric systems"...google "assassins mace"
wiki: "Assassin's Mace or "Shashou Jian" is a term used in ancient Chinese strategy. This exotic-sounding term has its roots in ancient Chinese folklore, which recounts how a hero wielding such a weapon managed to overcome a far more powerful adversary. "Shashou Jian" was a club with which the "assassin" incapacitated his enemy, suddenly and totally, instead of fighting him according to "the rules."
Since then, it has come to mean in Chinese military strategy the capacity to rapidly and decisively seize the initiative and turn the tide to one’s advantage when confronting a conventionally superior foe."
They invest in over the horizon missiles, and short range diesel submarines while we invest in Aircraft carriers with limited range aircraft. A great strategy for defending a nation, but not so great at power projection. Their new fighter is also a pure PR stunt. It might be operable, but it aint the F-22. China steals and then reverse engineers everything it has, and as a result they screw things up alot. I still think that FP's Drezner had it right when he said that we are essentially putting china in the spotlight long before it is ready...it feels this pressure to perform now, we will see if it can overcome its immense shortcomings and become a real, responsible powerbroker. So far, it has failed at every turn to convince the world of that. from human rights, to climate change, taiwan, south korea and Japan, China has shown it is not the type of country that the world needs or wants at the helm.
NICOLAS19
4:59 AM ET
January 18, 2011
novelty
Is it really worth it sporting this meaningless slide show on the front page again?
BOXUAN
10:39 AM ET
January 19, 2011
@HURRICANEWARNING
China has failed to convince the world...
Or convince the US? Or the US = the world even with only 5% population? Do you know most developing countries stand beside China in Copenhagen, including India, who with China have >1/3 world population? When you're secretly picturing your country own the whole world, it must be exciting, just remember not to say it out loud next time.
DIE ZAUBERFLOTE
2:15 PM ET
January 20, 2011
Photo #20 doesn't show
Photo #20 doesn't show marching. The kids were practising kung fu kicks.
Photo #29 that's not a Taoist monk. That's a buddhist monk.
POINTINGOUTMISTAKES
10:25 AM ET
January 22, 2011
the title is wrong??
they are not PLA soldiers they are armed police force
do not call them PLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHIARANANGI
6:40 PM ET
February 2, 2011
Rising Military Power
The title of this photo gallery suggests you are thinking of a single military power and most of the photos are focused on troops of the PRC. media jobs. However, within, we also find photos from Vietnam, and South Korea, countries that once had a tributary relationship with China, as well as a photo fromTaiwan, a country once partially occupied by China.
CHIARANANGI
6:54 PM ET
February 2, 2011
Military Power
This article tells me that China has a lot of people who wear uniforms, occasionally hold guns, and are capable of walking, not to mention photographers who are capable of taking pictures. career retail. Therefore the U.S. should be careful because this means China will be more assertive in the years ahead.