Pakistan's Alternate Universe

What possible motive does Islamabad have for supporting Afghanistan's bloody insurgency?

BY JOHN R. SCHMIDT | OCTOBER 18, 2011

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is headed to Islamabad this week for what U.S. officials are billing as a last-ditch effort to patch up ties with Pakistan and urge the country's ruling generals to crack down on the Haqqani network, an Afghan insurgent group based in Pakistan's tribal areas that Washington is increasingly putting on par with al Qaeda and the Taliban as a threat to the United States.

The recent drumbeat of stories about the Haqqanis began when Adm. Mike Mullen, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called the Haqqanis "a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency." Although less frequently mentioned, the Pakistanis are also providing sanctuary to the other main Afghan Taliban group, Taliban leader Mullah Omar's Quetta Shura, based in Baluchistan province to the south. But very little has been written about why the Pakistanis support these groups. What possible motive, after all, could they have for supporting forces that are engaged in a nasty guerrilla war against their ostensible American allies in Afghanistan? The reason is simple: The Pakistanis fear that if these Taliban forces are defeated, the United States will abandon the country, leaving behind what they believe will be a hostile Afghan government allied to their mortal enemy, India. And if Clinton fails to understand this dynamic, the latest bid to salvage what's left of U.S.-Pakistani ties will end in failure.

Although the United States has tried hard to promote friendly relations between Kabul and Islamabad, it has had little success. The two neighbors are natural adversaries whose long history of mutual hostility predates the Taliban era. There is also bad blood between the Pakistanis and Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Karzai blames Islamabad for the death of his father, who was assassinated in Pakistan several years before the 9/11 attacks.

India, for its part, has moved into Afghanistan in a big way since 9/11, opening an embassy and four consulates, sending in thousands of aid workers, and providing almost $2 billion in aid. Just last Tuesday, Oct. 4, Kabul and New Delhi signed a strategic partnership agreement in which India agreed to help train and equip Afghan security forces. The Indians, long angered by Pakistani support for jihadi groups in Kashmir, sense a golden opportunity to threaten Pakistan on its western border and are determined to make the most of it.

Observing these developments, the Pakistanis have become increasingly alarmed at the prospect that they may be encircled by their historic foes. Pakistani support for the Afghan Taliban needs to be understood in this light. It is not that the Pakistanis like the Taliban, whose support for al Qaeda prior to 9/11 ended up causing them so much grief, or even that they trust them, since they almost certainly do not. But faced with the alternative of a hostile Afghan government allied to India, supporting the Afghan Taliban is a relatively easy choice for Islamabad.

ASIF HASSAN/AFP/Getty Images

 

John R. Schmidt is the author of The Unraveling: Pakistan in the Age of Jihad. He teaches at the Elliott School of International Affairs at George Washington University, following a 30-year diplomatic career in which he served in senior positions at the U.S. State Department and the National Security Council, including as political counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad in the three years leading up to the 9/11 attacks.

CHARLESFRITH

6:01 PM ET

October 18, 2011

The Multiverse

The author of this article writes as if the unholy profit complex between the Pentagon™ and Islamabad has nothing to do with keeping a venal army institutionally in power in Islamabad through military aid that is fed back into the US economy with significant arms purchases.

It takes a great deal of naivete to discount the military industrial complex (or GovCorp) motives and it's perpetual war/fiat currency model imposed on as much as the world as it possibly can.

The writer needs to move on from the breast feeding of trivial double speak as spouted by the proponents of the Council for Foreign Relations and move on to some solids but in the mean time a period of silence on the subject of who needs to do what is in order. Particularly when the 'new new bad guys' are simply bad people without Pentagon™ sponsorship.

 

MARK LAI

7:46 PM ET

October 18, 2011

The poor little Pakistani army

The author never examines whether this motivation of the Pakistan army is based in fact or not. Fear of India is a bogeyman that helps keep the Pakistan army in power.

The Pakistan army has become a leech that drains the country of treasure. It is a mafia whose budget no one dares to question. The only reason given for continuing to pamper army officers is the one that this author continues to propagate: that only the army can deliver, only the army is effective, only the army is free of corruption. And with our long engagement in Pakistan, we have been an enabler of this army, at the expense of the people of Pakistan.

This advice is bad and will make the situation worse. This madness has to end. It is time to call the Pakistan army's bluff, for the sake of Pakistan.

 

BING520

12:10 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Mark Lai

What do you mean by "call the pakistan army's buff"? Should we invade Pakistani territories at will? Should we cut off all aids to Pakistna army? Or should we just assasinate some Pakistani military officers sympathetica to Talibans? Or should we work to dismantle Pakistan army?

Knowing very little about Pakistan, I thought I read a good article about Pakistan, but so many people disagree.

If the author is all wrong, what is the correct assessment of Pakistan? What should we do?

 

C MOLESKI

9:55 PM ET

October 18, 2011

Historic Tribal Geography

Good article. However, I think there are also historic ethno-geographic reasons for Pakistan's support of the Taliban, namely tthat a large portion of both Pakistan and Afghanistan are Pashtun.

I also think that, until recently, supporting the Taliban enabled the government to avoid Islamist pressure.

But I think to paint the Army or the ISI with such broad brushstrokes is unfair. It is likely that there are factions within each that support the Taliban while others do not.

 

DR. KUCHBHI

10:00 PM ET

October 18, 2011

Where does one begin?

Quote: Pakistan and Afghanistan "are natural adversaries"

Education: That's because Pakistan has traditionally run Afghanistan as its colony. Pakistanis are hated in Afghanistan for this reason. That is the reason that any representative regime in Afghanistan will hate Pakistan. If this sounds like bluster, google for "strategic depth". It is the Pakistani army's thought process that they consider Afghanistan to be their backyard where they can do as they please.

Quote: Indians, long angered by Pakistani support for jihadi groups in Kashmir, sense a golden opportunity to threaten Pakistan.

Education: India is not in Afghanistan with offensive capabilities. It is there to prevent Pakistan from using it as a terrorist base. Under Taliban rule, Pakistan systematically ran Kashmiri terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. India is unlikely to be a spectator while Pakistan tries to return to that state of affairs.

Quote: the Pakistan Army is the only force in Pakistani society capable of preventing a jihadi takeover of the state

Education: Pakistani voters have never voted for jihadists. The army which created the jihadists and continues to sponsor them loves to show boat that they can prevent a jihadi takeover. But they have a vested interest in their continued existence otherwise they lose their raison d'être.

Quote: The Pakistani army turned the Pakistani Taliban into an enemy when it sent forces into the tribal areas looking for al Qaeda in response to U.S. pressure

Education: The Pakistani army did that because the Pakistani Taliban attacked the Pakistani government and the Pakistani army. The American pressure was convenient for the Pakistani army to show the US as the bad guys in the process.

Quote: Although the Pakistanis may harbor doubts about their ability to restrain Taliban ambitions over time. ….. the Haqqanis are the Afghan Taliban group most favored by Islamabad and over whom it has the most control

Education: Over Time? The Pakistanis CLAIM that they cannot control the Haqqanis while they are IN PAKISTAN. Is it realistic to expect they will claim to have an ounce of control once the Taliban are in Afghanistan?

Quote: Kashmir is the reason that the Pakistanis began supporting jihadi groups

Education: So the author believes we should reward Pakistani support for jihadi groups by giving them what they want. I am speechless..

 

BING520

12:38 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Dr. Kuchbhi

You have offered a lot of educations which contradict the author, but you offer no explanation why Pakistan army is doing things we suspect them of doing. You seem to point out that Pakistan army acts as a pure evil force with no noble cause, is paranoid about threats from India and has no ability to control the evil they unleash.

Pakistan army seems to be a vexatious and perplexing problem. I know very little about it. Those who hate Pakistan army seem to come to a conclusion that we should unite the world to exterminate Pakistan army and our war against terrorist would be all but a guarantee success.

I think the author has provided some good description and explanation. I hope to hear some different viewpoints and insights to help paint a more complete picture of Pakistan. To simply state that Pakistan army is just bad is not helpful.

 

BING520

3:34 PM ET

October 19, 2011

That's interesting to know.

That's interesting to know. Do you know the reason behind Afghnistan's opposition?

 

CLEARDIGIT

11:03 PM ET

October 18, 2011

Wait a min...what's the main thrust of argument?

To prop up a state at any cost??

I wonder....

 

LOUISK

11:44 PM ET

October 18, 2011

Existential Threat

I am an Indian liberal who had long held pacifist views towards Pakistan. Even I can not quite understand the twisted logic western media comes up with vis-a-vis Pakistan. They keep parroting this so called "existential" threat as an excuse for support for horrible terrorists. What exactly do they (Western apologists) mean by existential threat? A full scale war by India and breaking up of Pakistan? India did not cross the border during the Kargil War, instead chose to loose 450 soldiers in 10 days! It did not cross the border when fidayeen attacked Indian Parliament and came within 200 feet of then Home minister. India did not cross the border after horrible Mumbai attacks. Why would India risk its prosperity, upward mobility on a war, even a limited one, with Pakistan? What exactly is this existential threat for Pakistan in concrete terms? Author after author suggests India give up its hold over Kashmir to appease Pakistan (although they don't put it that way, surely there is no other acceptable solution to Pakistan!!). I am a liberal, gladly willing to talk about it, but Isn't loosing a portion of land to your enemy, a partition based on religion one more time, itself is an existential threat come real for India, isn't it? Why is it OK for India to have that existential threat but not for Pakistan? What guarantee can these pundits give to India that its aftermath, internal strife that would follow between Indian Muslims and Hindu Right wing will not turn into another opportunity for Pakistan! I want to understand this "existential threat" that everybody from Mike Mullen to Media pundit claims. In all honesty, why don't Americans use the same "understanding" towards Iran, which too feels existential threats and resorts to supporting terrorists? Confrontation with Pakistan is not good for America but surely giving up portion of Afghanistan and portion of Kashmir on platter to Pakistan is not going to solve all of America's problems either!

 

DELTA22

12:27 AM ET

October 19, 2011

"Author after author suggests

"Author after author suggests India give up its hold over Kashmir to appease Pakistan. I am a liberal, gladly willing to talk about it, but Isn't loosing a portion of land to your enemy, a partition based on religion one more time, itself is an existential threat come real for India, isn't it?"

Unless my brief reading of the partition's history is wrong, doesn't Kashmir have a Muslim majority? Doesn't it make sense to let them vote for which country to join? Wasn't that how it was decided which provinces would go to which country? All the Hindu-majority provinces voted to stick together and became India, all the Muslim-majority ones became Pakistan. Shouldn't this apply to Kashmir as well?

 

BIGBROTHER

2:25 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Sorry Delta,

Your understanding of history is wrong and your understanding of political science is limited.

You don't seem to understand the basic principle of modern, democratic, pluralistic states like India or the US. The principle is to AVOID a "tyranny of the majority". Just because a village or city or province or state has a certain majority religion, it does not mean you get to start a fight and succeed. If New York or London become "majority Muslim" some day, will it be time to start a militant and terrorism operation to separate the "majority Muslim" area from the rest of the nation.

India is a secular, constitutional democracy. Is not an "Islamic Republic" like the official full name of the "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" states. It does not codify IN THE CONSTITUTION a preference for one religion, Islam, over all others.

Kashmir is a complex issue, and your understanding is inadequate.

 

C. NANDKISHORE

1:03 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Kashmir

Dear Delta, the history. In 1948 Pakistan sent tribal mujaheddin to Kashmir. Seeing the looting and the rapes committed by them on Kashmiri Muslims the then Muslim Prime Minister of Kashmir sought India's help. Lord Mountbatten, who was the Viceroy, and Pandit Nehru the sent Indian troops to Kashmir. Muslim majority of Kashmir through their Muslim Prime Minister, Mr. Abdullah ( called Lion of Kashmir), joined India. In the subsequent elections held in Kashmir Mr. Abdullah was again and again voted as Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir. An army requires a enemy to perpetuate itself in power. Hence the Pakistan army needs India as an enemy. Also remember the Pakistan army was non existent when Pakistan was created. Pakistan was created due to Muslim League. The main strength of Muslim League was Dacca and Lucknow. Both are not in Pakistan. But after independence Muslim League leaders were either killed or eliminated by the landlords and the army in West Pakistan.

 

RIKI TIKI TAVI

1:31 PM ET

October 21, 2011

understanding the kashmir dispute

The Kashmir issue can be viewed through three lenses, including (1) legal; (2) moral; and (3) realpolitik.

The legal argument goes like this. While vacating India, the British needed some "principle" by which to divide the country between Pakistan and India. Britain directly controlled only roughly half of India. The other half was controlled through treaties with various princely states that acknowledged Britain's paramountcy in foreign affairs, but not in domestic affairs. If there was a Muslim majority princely state in the middle of India, in principle it could have joined Pakistan, and vice versa. That this "principle" could have led to an India moth-eaten with several Pakistans, and a Pakistan moth-eaten with several Indias didn't bother the British much--some claim it didn’t because leaving two potentially unviable states was Britain's parting kick. Schmidt's arguments place him in this camp.

Hindu majority princely states (even if ruled by a Muslim prince) wholly within India became a part of India. Hindu majority portions of what became Pakistan were ethnically cleansed, with Hindus migrating to India. The issue of Jammu and Kashmir became difficult because it was right on the border between Pakistan and India. Had it been wholly within India, it would have become part of India. Had it been wholly within Pakistan, non-Muslims would have been ethnically cleansed. As it happens, however, Kashmir remains divided between Pakistan and India. The Indian portion of Kashmir has only one region, the Kashmir valley, where Muslims predominate. The other parts are populated by Hindus and Buddhists that have no interest in joining Pakistan.

With this background in mind what's the right course of action using the "legal" lens? Under various United Nations statutes, Pakistan must vacate the areas under its control, after which India must hold a plebiscite to decide the people's wishes. Pakistan has not done its part, so neither has India. Therefore, the legal lens takes us nowhere.

What about the moral lens? Pakistan was founded as a homeland for South Asia's Muslims based on the two-nation theory (TNT). This theory states that Hindus and Muslims are two different nations that cannot live together. But this theory was bogus from the get go since despite partition millions of Muslims chose to stay in India. Imagine people of Mexican descent in the US declaring themselves to be a separate nation from Anglos. What will follow? Territorial disputes (California?), and implacable hostility between Anglos and Mexicans. This is what happened in South Asia. If India were to take the TNT seriously, what would become of the 180 million Muslims in India apart from those that live in Kashmir? They too would have to be expelled into Pakistan wouldn't they (as Hindus have been expelled from Pakistan)? Who could possibly go along with the implications of such a bogus moral argument? So the moral lens goes nowhere.

Which leaves realpolitik. The Kashmir problem could have been solved long ago if the UK and the US hadn't decided to play mischief with this issue. But they did. Why? Because Pakistan is to South Asia what Taiwan is to Southeast Asia--the West's hedge against the big kahuna of each region. It goes back to pre-partition, when the United Kingdom asked Nehru and Jinnah whether they would allow UK military bases in their respective future countries. Nehru said no, Jinnah predictably said yes (http://carnegieendowment.org/files/0609_Remarks_Harrison.pdf). But, while democratic Taiwan is happy to grow its economy under the US umbrella and not engage in brinkmanship with China, an Islamist Pakistan dreams of being India's strategic rival (even though India's population and economy are 8x and 10x respectively). Pakistan knows it cannot achieve this dream on its own, so always has tried to yoke US might to its vainglorious, irredentist, and increasingly Islamist dreams. Of course, when convenient, the US has also stroked Pakistan's vainglorious, irredentist, and, yes, even Islamist dreams. Paying lip-service to Pakistan’s claims on Kashmir was how America paid off its client diplomatically during the heydays of the cold war. I doubt American analysts really ever believed that Kashmir was the “core” issue between the two countries. It was just a convenient talking point to keep India on the defensive. Mr. Fai’s (head of the Kashmiri American Council, in the pay of the ISI) recent arrest is indicative that the United States never took Pakistan’s narrative on Kashmir too seriously.

Peace will not come to South Asia until Pakistan repudiates the TNT and everything that implies. When that happens, Kashmir will sort itself out.

 

FREEDOMOFHERESY

12:14 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Childish..

Look, if India is investing so heavily in Afghanistan than why can't we invest? Why is GHQ so obsessed with neanderthal rogues?....
Army is still not serving its interest of a freindly Afghanistan because by backing warlords and drug-barons, we are permanently alienating Afghans.. No wonder they consider us their enemy,,,

 

KHALID MUFTI

1:13 AM ET

October 19, 2011

The Indian Planning Commission...

...has recently decreed that a resident of New Delhi--not the poorest city in India--who earns twenty-five rupees (fifty cents) a day is too affluent to be eligible for state support.

With such horrendous poverty around in its own population, why would India spend $2 billion building infrastructure in Afghanistan? The answer is obvious: It's not from an abundance of wealth, and it's not from munificence. It's geopolitics. With a major stake not only in Afghanistan's economy but also in its security machine, India would have a strong presence to the west of Pakistan in addition to the one to the east. In other words, India is creating a pincers in which to hold Pakistan, to render it subservient to Indian policies in the region.

India may have genuine economic interests in a future Afghanistan, and good relations with Pakistan can help it gain transit rights. Any military interest, though, can only be sinister. India shares no border with Afghanistan, whereas Pakistan has 1,500 miles of it. What happens in Afghanistan does not stay there, it spills over into Pakistan. Hundreds of thousands of Powindahs migrate to spend the winter in Pakistan. There are intermarriages, families living on both sides of the border, commonalities of language and culture. And yet India wants a huge presence in Afghanistan?

Anyone with a smattering of history of the region would see the anomaly in such thinking. Pakistan will never accept a major Indian footprint, specially a military one, in Afghanistan. And all the signs say that Pakistan has the will and the capability to scuttle such a development.

Before leaving Afghanistan the Soviet army had created and trained an Afghan force of 300,000. But when the Afghan tribals rose against the pro-Soviet government, those troops scattered like mice. There is no evidence that shows it'll be any different when US forces leave.

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."--Anonymous.

 

MAZO

6:02 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Delusional Arrogance.

The main premise of your fatuous argument is that Pakistan has to have a say with whom and how Afghanistan deals with others. This implies that Pakistan believes that Afghanistan’s foreign policy should be subject to the pleasure of Islamabad’s interests, which is ridiculous! India has not objected to Pakistan’s relations with Bangladesh, or Pakistan’s close military relationship with China or Pakistani operatives skulking around in Nepal not because it can’t issue pompous proclamations like Islamabad about who should do what but because it realizes that these nations are sovereign states that follow their own foreign policy.

Afghanistan is an independent country and India’s relations and investments in Afghanistan are welcome by Afghanistan. The notion that Pakistan should also be satisfied is sheer hubris on Pakistan’s part and the sign of a childish policy.
Neither India nor Afghanistan have done anything that contravenes international law by India’s funding or aid to Afghanistan. However, Pakistan’s naked support to cross-border terrorists and other Islamic militants are blatant violations of international law and the rules of war. In effect, Pakistan’s actions (or professed inability to take) are acts of War against all its neighbors who are harmed by terrorists operating from its soil. This includes Iran, Afghanistan and India.

 

BIGBROTHER

2:13 AM ET

October 19, 2011

THE PROBLEM WITH OLD MEN...

The problem with old men like John Schmidt is that they say the same thing over and over. Reading this article, it seemed like the old man has not had a new thought in decades.

This is the problem with American policy in AfPak. Old men and old thinking has created a failed policy. Times change, but old men tell the same old stories - or in this case, the same old analysis.

For example, "Bin Laden is now dead, and even Washington admits that the primary al Qaeda threat to U.S. interests has moved elsewhere."
Moved ELSWHERE? The old man forgot to say that it moved to PAKISTAN. If he wrote this fact, of course, it would undermine his entire same old thesis.

Schmidt also does not explain why the ISI supports terrorists groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba who are Punjabis who kill innocent people in places like Mumbai. The same OLD Kashmir explanation does not work.
Also, Mr. Schmidt, is terrorism wrong? Is it evil? Is it wrong to kill innocent civilians like in New York City on 9/11?
Or are the old men of foreign so smart that they can't tell whether Pakistan's support of Islamic terrorist groups is wrong?

 

SUBCONTINENTAL

3:21 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Let's show more understanding for Terrorists!

The author seems to be making a case that we need to only understand the motivations of the terrorists, show some consideration for their political aims, give them what they want, and all our problems would be solved!

USA, its generals and the think-tanks have been taken to the cleaners by the Pakistani Generals and politicians.

1) The Taliban + Al Qaeda regime in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 was supported wholeheartedly by Pakistan. There would have been no Taliban if Pakistan had not supported the movement. There would have been no Al Qaeda in Afghanistan if Pakistan had not facilitated their movement to and fro from Afghanistan.

2) It was ISI itself which facilitated the 9/11 attacks on USA, as one knows from the money transfer made to Mohammed Atta in Hamburg, the 9/11 hijacker. Al Qaeda was simply an accomplice of ISI.

3) It was Pakistanis who gave US the impression that Al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan, and directed US ire towards Afghanistan, even though all major Al Qaeda figures have been captured in Pakistani cities itself.

4) It was Pakistan which facilitated America's invasion of Afghanistan, with the express condition of having their "assets" in Afghanistan airlifted by none other than USA to Pakistan.

5) Pakistan was able to save all their assets in Afghanistan including all Taliban leaders, most Al Qaeda leaders, all of whom found sanctuary in Pakistan.

6) By getting America occupying Afghanistan, Pakistan had American exactly where it wanted it - dependent on Pakistan for supply routes.

7) Through this dependence Pakistanis have been able to blackmail Americans to finance their anti-Indian war machine and to bolster their economy.

8) What Pakistanis have provided to America were some Al Qaeda members who were dispensable and disposable after they had done their part.

9) When Pakistanis speak of their casualties, they mean the Pushtuns from their paramilitaries, who too are just cannon fodder. It is a big joke when Pakistanis say they have made big sacrifices in the War on Terror. They have only thrown a whole lot of dispensable poor Pushtuns to the wolves. The Pakistanis themselves are sitting pretty in their defense colonies with all the facilities subsidized by the American taxpayer.

10) Pakistanis have basically made America into a monkey, whose hand is now stuck in the Afghanistan jar, and America is begging Pakistan to get its hand free.

11) Let's not forget that Osama bin Laden was ensconsed in Pakistan for almost 10 years under the loving care of the Pakistani Army. When Americans took down OBL in Operation Geronimo, the Americans experienced a unique moment of clarity when Pakistan's mask slipped.

12) Pakistanis completely control the whole anti-American insurgency in Afghanistan. Americans call it the Taliban insurgency. The blood of 1812 US soldiers is on the hands of the Pakistanis. Of course, it is an old habit of Pakistanis to plead for plausible deniability.

13) When Adm. Mullen recently said that the Haqqani Network is a veritable arm of the ISI, there was another moment of clarity for Americans.

So America has paid so much in blood and treasure to prop up the Pakistanis, and America has been made a fool all the way!

And all this author comes up with is how to appease the Pakistanis even more, by first understanding what they want! Ack-thoo! There are many American leaders still intent on putting the mask back on on Pakistan's face!

The Truth is: Pakistani Army is the Godfather of Al Qaeda and Taliban! Pakistani Army is the HQ. of Global Jihad! And it exerts its power by getting America and Saudi Arabia to finance its Global Jihad and getting China to provide it with a nuclear shield. Pakistani Army is the Head of the Snake!

If America takes down Pakistani Army, it would have crushed the Head of the Jihadi Snake! But there are all sorts of journalists interested in convincing the Americans that actually the tail of the Snake is the head!

Pakistan is veritably like the Snake with a Fake Head on its Tail!

 

KABIRONLINE

3:41 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Damn, u must have no life

"Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting" Sun Tzu

 

MAZO

6:32 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Camus10 -Intellectual destitution.

Of the various bizarre and outright crazy arguments that Pakistani apologists employ, perhaps the most fatuous is the one that tries to employ India’s poor to justify Pakistan’s blatant act of war as something benign or trivial.
This argument goes something like this: “Since the poor in India are so many and their suffering so dire, Pakistan’s support for terrorists and the terrorist’s subsequent actions are not of little real consequence and India ought to focus its resources tending to its poor”. This argument is akin to a murderer confessing, “Since the victim was probably going to die anyway, stabbing him is hardly a crime.” Such logic is the preserve of the clinically insane or of mindless radical fanatics.

On the surface the former argument seems to be reasonable, logical and even pretends wisdom; the state ought to solve its big problems first. But on closer scrutiny we find that the only thing consistent in this argument is its lack of logic; if the state itself is under attack, how can it solve any other problems inside it?

However to the apologists, superficial and fatuous arguments seem to de-rigueur. Camus10's comment is one such example.

 

MACGUPTA

8:51 AM ET

October 19, 2011

State support

Indeed, no terrorist organization has managed to persist for as long as al Qaeda has without state support.

 

BING520

12:59 PM ET

October 19, 2011

SUBCONTINENTAL

Your hatred for Pakistan seems to be so total and knows no boundary.

 

CAMUS10

7:26 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Mazo gets bitchslapped

Check in on acclaimed author Arundhati Roy before you let your lame egotistic gut get in the way of fact-free head noodle. There is an obvious misanthrope snaking this chat room.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=aundhati+roy&x=14&y=21

 

ALEXIS1

1:16 AM ET

October 20, 2011

Camus10, India is forced to

Camus10,
India is forced to spend billions of dollars to prevent terrorist attacks! if there are no terrorist threat that money would be well used to alleviate poverty. India is engaging Afghanistan due to 2 reasons: 1. Afghanistan is a neighbour with whom India always had good relations (before taliban came into power). 2. To prevent taliban coming into power as Taliban supports and aids terrorists who aim to destroy India. The hijack of an Indiam aeroplane and the support given to the hijackers by Taliban is well known.

 

CAMUS10

8:26 PM ET

October 20, 2011

Alexis1

cant claim to be an expert on the region but you seem to suggest that some faction in northern afgh historically aligned with the USSR and India should be allowed to determine the course of afg future. This is impractical

What has been suggested is Indias elite are inherently devious. Look at their caste system which allows certain groups to play a monarchic role and look at what they have done to the masses. Western policymakers are primarily driven by myopic financial interests. Imagine what a different world it would have been had the west demanded human rights from china before transferring all its manufacturing assets. Just imagine where the mid-east conflict would have been had Israel not been given preferential treatment. So in the same mode, india needs to account for its sordid record before they acquire ANY moral standing as a regional hegemon - laughable.

 

TWIGGY11

4:27 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Fact File

The Haqqani fighters are in Afghanistan. Only the women and children live in Waziristan.

The Haqqanis hold sway in Afghan provinces the US considers its strongholds.

The US is suing for peace with the Haqqanis in Afghanistan. Why should Pakistan make war on them?

Is the Indian military presence in Afghanistan not a provocation for neighbours?

Pakistan has refused the negligible US military assistance repeatedly. Why should one harp on this aid being significant or necessary when it is not?

The US has had its butt kicked in Afghanistan. Should face reality and leave the country alone.

 

RAM54

4:52 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Issues with independence

There are many countries in the world, that have have serious problems at the time of independence or later with territorial assimilation. This includes US, China, Russia, Great Britain, Belgium, Spain etc. Pakistan itself has serious problems in Baluchistan, and India's problems in Kashmir are well known.

All of them have some problems with their minorities. Over the years, most of issues have resurfaced from time to time- usually the the time of economic crises, when the fault lines get exposed. Totalitarian and military regimes usually handle this dissidence better by suppressing it brutally - while democratic states are generally soft on dissidence and dissent - this is the root cause of the problems. Moreover the situation rarely exceeds certain thresholds because of an inbuilt capacity for elections, that ensure that there is " a pressure valve" unlike in military systems as the recent evidence of the Arab Spring.

 

MAZO

6:49 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Fact Free arguments.

The Haqqani group’s leader and most of its fighters are Pakistani citizens. Haqqani’s infrastructure base, recruitment base and indeed ALL of their funding is sourced via Pakistan. In fact just 5 days ago a senior Haqqani leader was killed in a Pakistani drone strike. Who in their right mind can still believe the ridiculous claim that Haqqanis are in Afghanistan ?

India has NO military presence in Afghanistan. It never has had a military presence in Afghanistan. Any claims of Indian military presence in Afghanistan Is Pakistani military rhetoric to justify their long term association with terrorists and its subsequent failure that has now led to terrorist attacks against Pakistan by Islamic fundamentalists once nurtured by Pakistan.

Unless Pakistan is sitting on some large undiscovered oil reserves or planning to open up yet another session of its nuclear bazaar, the “Billions/year” in military aid to Pakistan would hardly be called “negligible”. Add to this, Pakistan’s declining and stagnating economy, Pakistan’s past insolvency and looming bankruptcy and the military seizing upon larger and larger chunks of funds to finance its paranoia and keep up with the Indian military, any foreign aid is considered “substantial” to even the most prideful Pakistani general.

 

SNEH

8:09 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Rub, rinse, repeat

The argument of "Anything, anything to head for the door" vis-a-vis NATO options to leave AfPak suggests that, as indicated in this piece http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/open-page/article2521197.ece
in The Hindu newspaper, we may soon have to prime oiurselves for Rub, rinse, repeat

 

BLAIN2

11:03 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Lets discuss facts!!!

The issue is a simple one. India is and will remain an existentialist threat to Pakistan for as long as the Kashmir issue is not resolved.

Indian military interference and the support to break up Pakistan in 1971 has not been lost on the Pakistani society (politicians, generals, civilians and all other alike see this as a serious threat.)

Pakistan cannot base her defensive strategies on any good Indian intentions, no matter how noble they may be, as intentions can change overnight and they did back in 1971.

People ranting here (mostly Indians) about facts are clueless about facts.

Haqqani and his entire family are ethnic Pashtuns from Afghanistan. If people do not know this then all the posts stating "facts" should be looked at with a massive grain of salt.

Lets deal with these so called "facts" now:

1) The Taliban + Al Qaeda regime in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 was supported wholeheartedly by Pakistan. There would have been no Taliban if Pakistan had not supported the movement. There would have been no Al Qaeda in Afghanistan if Pakistan had not facilitated their movement to and fro from Afghanistan.

>> There would have been no Afghan Jihad had the US and Pakistan not come together to beat the Soviets out of Afghanistan. What came after was essentially the by product of charging up a whole generation of youth in the Muslim world to fight and then leaving them in Pakistan and Afghanistan to cope with. Pakistan cannot be blamed for this solely. There is a need for introspection all around.

2) It was ISI itself which facilitated the 9/11 attacks on USA, as one knows from the money transfer made to Mohammed Atta in Hamburg, the 9/11 hijacker. Al Qaeda was simply an accomplice of ISI.

>> Talk about silly conspiracy theories. As if Pakistan has anything to gain from attacking the United States and getting herself painted with a giant bull-eye!!!

3) It was Pakistanis who gave US the impression that Al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan, and directed US ire towards Afghanistan, even though all major Al Qaeda figures have been captured in Pakistani cities itself.

>> No Pakistan had no such involvement. All of the intelligence resided with the US side. The screw up was that we could not get to the AQ leadership in the Tora Bora mountains and once that happened, all of these folks moved into Pakistan and were captured in the cities. Some basic reading on the background of those captured would reveal these facts!!!!

4) It was Pakistan which facilitated America's invasion of Afghanistan, with the express condition of having their "assets" in Afghanistan airlifted by none other than USA to Pakistan.

>> Yes as an ally of the United States because that was a demand the US placed on Pakistan. Pakistan herself had no reason or interest to see the US barge into the neighborhood in such a manner. Lets place the onus on where it belongs instead of silly and baseless accusations for all the ills on Pakistan.

5) Pakistan was able to save all their assets in Afghanistan including all Taliban leaders, most Al Qaeda leaders, all of whom found sanctuary in Pakistan.

>> What assets? They were available on a platter in the Tora Bora mountains and we failed to get them. Lets take owenership of this failure. It wasn't like Pakistan airlifted OBL et-al out of Afghanistan.

6) By getting America occupying Afghanistan, Pakistan had American exactly where it wanted it - dependent on Pakistan for supply routes.

>> Are you serious? Dependent on Pakistan for supplies while the country gave up $60B in trade and FDI just because it became a corridor for supplies to the US troops in Afghanistan? Exposing the entire country to US presence and surveillance is a move you think worth it for Pakistanis in any conceivable way?

7) Through this dependence Pakistanis have been able to blackmail Americans to finance their anti-Indian war machine and to bolster their economy.

>> Now we come to the major heart burn for Indians like yourself. So Indian war machine, which dwarfs that of every other South Asian country, is fine and which by the way is primed solely at Pakistan, yet if Pakistan and the US talk security, you folks have heartburn for the next 5 decades.

8) What Pakistanis have provided to America were some Al Qaeda members who were dispensable and disposable after they had done their part.

>> Yes but these some were a lot more than what any other country has been able to do for furthering our anti AQ efforts.

9) When Pakistanis speak of their casualties, they mean the Pushtuns from their paramilitaries, who too are just cannon fodder. It is a big joke when Pakistanis say they have made big sacrifices in the War on Terror. They have only thrown a whole lot of dispensable poor Pushtuns to the wolves. The Pakistanis themselves are sitting pretty in their defense colonies with all the facilities subsidized by the American taxpayer.

>> You must be out of your mind. The Pakistanis have lost 30,000 dead which include Pakistanis of all ethnicity and religion in the past 10 years. The troops who are dying include the Punjabis, Sindhis, Pashtuns, etc. etc.
The Pashtuns are Pakistanis at the end of the day so your point about the cannon fodder is misplaced.

10) Pakistanis have basically made America into a monkey, whose hand is now stuck in the Afghanistan jar, and America is begging Pakistan to get its hand free.

>> Maybe this is the case, but it is not of Pakistan's making. The Indian involvement in Afghanistan has made things a lot more complicated for us there. Maybe the Indians should also be mindful of the interests of the United States and back off so there can be some stability in Afghanistan. The US intelligence has reported that Indian consulates in Afghanistan are involved in certain activities which undermine Pakistan's interests and these should be considered seriously.

11) Let's not forget that Osama bin Laden was ensconsed in Pakistan for almost 10 years under the loving care of the Pakistani Army. When Americans took down OBL in Operation Geronimo, the Americans experienced a unique moment of clarity when Pakistan's mask slipped.

>> To this day, the USG has presented no proof that the Pakistani military was complicit in anyway with OBL's hiding. Unless you have some facts to put forth, what you say is nothing but hyperbole.

12) Pakistanis completely control the whole anti-American insurgency in Afghanistan. Americans call it the Taliban insurgency. The blood of 1812 US soldiers is on the hands of the Pakistanis. Of course, it is an old habit of Pakistanis to plead for plausible deniability.

>> Yes the blood of everyone is on Pakistan's hands. As if Pakistan asked us to launch a war in Afghanistan. As if the Afghan Pashtuns have no clue about fighting against occupation and the Pakistanis do the fighting for them. Lets get your head out of the sand and look around in Afghanistan. There is no way that this insurgency can be sustained without local support in Afghanistan. No matter what kind of support they may be getting from Pakistan, the actual fighting in Afghanistan is being done by Afghans and they are getting support from their Pashtun kin inside of Afghanistan. If the blood of 1812 Americans is on the Paks, then I wonder, what you would say about the blood of 3400 Pakistanis who have died as a result of the TTP terrorists who find support and succor inside of Afghanistan and launch attacks on Pakistanis (in the past 3 months, Pakistanis have suffered 90 KIA as a result of these cross border attacks from Afghanistan).

13) When Adm. Mullen recently said that the Haqqani Network is a veritable arm of the ISI, there was another moment of clarity for Americans.

>> What Adm Mullen said was negated the following day by our very own state dept so what to make of this good cop/bad cop act going on with Pakistan for so long?

Please stop pushing the Indian agenda here. If anything, its the Indians who want us Americans to fight their war/s with Pakistan. If we want stability in that region, we need to be mindful of the interests if Afghanistan's direct neighbors which include Pakistan but NOT India. Given the long history in Kashmir, nothing peaceful can be achieved in Afghanistan for as long as this issue between Pakistan and India is not resolved.

 

ALEXIS1

1:23 AM ET

October 20, 2011

Blain, America is an

Blain, America is an existential threat to many countries - iran, iraq,pakistan, north korea etc. So what? America consider these countries as existentiasl threats and has gne to war with them.
If India is existential threat to pakistan, pakistan is existential threat to india. 1971 Indian intervention stopped a genocide committed by ur belove pakistanis on innocent bangladeshis. Please check how many people were killed then! All the while US was twiddling its thumbs!

Pakistan's troubles are their own making. It had dug a hole all these years to make Indian elephant fall and has unwittingly fallen into it

 

SUBCONTINENTAL

6:29 PM ET

October 21, 2011

BLAIN2: 1814 Americans Dead Because of Pakistan

BLAIN2, our Pakistani Friend,

it is amusing how you are trying to present yourself as American, but through and through you smell of a Pakistani! Even that trick is working anymore! Eh?

According to icasualties.org/oef/ the number of American casualties have risen from 1812 to 1814.

It is an open secret that the Haqqani Network is a veritable arm of the ISI. Yes, the White House did try to tone down Adm. Mullen's scathing statement! Why? Because if White House allowed that statement to stand, it would have meant US would have had to declare open war on ISI and the Pakistani Army!

The White House wants to give other solutions involving Pakistani cooperation another chance! That is the reason!

But that doesn't change the Truth: Pakistan is killing Americans, including attacking the SEALs helicopter that killed OBL! Many heroes died in that copter!

How long can Pakistan keep a lid on the Truth, by dangling some promises? Sooner or later the truth would come out!

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And yes, you will have to do a lot of work convincing Americans and the world that Pakistan did not know that OBL was living just under the nose of the Pakistani Army!

You were giving shelter to a man who was responsible for the death of 3000 people in the World Trade Center and for bringing down the buildings!

Carry on, but nobody ain't buyin' Paki lies anymore!

As far as it is about India making American wage war against Pakistan, that is just one more joke!

The 3000 who died in WTC and the 1814 soldiers who died in Afghanistan were Americans! America has all the reasons to avenge them! They don't need India to provide them with reasons!

 

AKSID

11:05 AM ET

October 19, 2011

The whole thrust of this

The whole thrust of this article seems to be is that the world should give into the delusions, paronoia and back stabbing of the Pakistani army. While it may be true that the Pakistani army's dangerous tango with jihadi outfits started as a strategic tool to offset any real or imagined Indian threat(mostly deliberately imagined), this tango now stems from the jihadi mindset that has infected the Pakistani army officer corps. This jihadi mindset now colours the Pakistani view of the world and how they wish to shape it. The Pakistani army and a substantial portion of its population believe that it was they who brought the Soviiet Union down and now its the turn of the US!

 

BLAIN2

11:29 AM ET

October 19, 2011

No its not!

What the article states is that Pakistan has legitimate concerns for its own security and asking it to ignore is being delusional for us and any others.

The Jihad mindset that you talk off is a by-product of the US desire to get rid of Soviets from Afghanistan. It is not the making of the Pakistani state.

Lastly, Pakistan has no desire to get into a standoff with the US (as much as Indians would like to see us Americans fight their self-serving battles with Pakistan). Pakistan and the US have shared a very long period of closely aligned interests. However it would do well for our government to understand the Pakistani concerns around encirclement by the Indians.

The root of the problem is the Indian effort to marginalize Pakistan as part of a greater game to contain Chinese influence. This does not mean attacking Pakistan militarily, but as in the past, Indians will very likely influence the Afghans to talk up the Durrand line issue and support anti-Pakistani elements in Balochistan and even in their Northern Areas.

One option is to ignore the Pakistani concerns, which we have been doing and many continue to preach, but evidently, this has not taken us anywhere. The other is to take up the Pakistani concerns and come up with a more accommodating strategy.

 

AKSID

12:34 PM ET

October 19, 2011

I think it was Einstein who

I think it was Einstein who said that insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results every time! It is time the US stopped indulging the Pakistani army and its delusions and recognizing that the US and Pakistan have different goals in Afghanistan and one way they can go about it is to stop funding the Pakistani army because underwriting the Pakistani army is underwriting the Tablian and other jihadi outfits in the Af-Pak region!

 

BLAIN2

11:22 AM ET

October 19, 2011

Reality check

India has always objected to and voiced its displeasure with Pakistan's relations with BD/SL just because you consider it to be your zone of influence. Secondly, Pakistan has no "security" agreements with any of these countries. Your agreement with Afghanistan is primarily aimed at Pakistan, otherwise there would not be a need for any. Secondly, for as long as there is a war going on and things are not settled, everyone is jockeying for influence and this includes India, Iran, US, Russia and Pakistan. So why should Pakistan not be allowed to have a say when we and the Indians are also, through military and economic coercion, getting Afghans to do things the way we want them? At least Pakistan has a physical contiguity with Afghanistan and a very long historic tie in due to the Pashtun population on both sides of the border, as such Pakistan has just as much right to try to wean the situation to a more advantageous position.

It just amazes me that after having done the exact same to Pakistan in 1971, with support for terrorists by India, you cry about Pakistan supporting the freedom struggle in Kashmir as something negatively grave. Pakistanis learned this from you the Indians! Resolve the Kashmir issue and many of these issues will get resolved. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Something has to give and Pakistan is not about to give it all up. This should be realized by all.
Pakistan has no ideological alignment with groups such as AQ etc. because they are a threat to the Pakistani state too. We, the US, need to build on this and get our relations back on track with the Pakistanis. The alternates are far worse and will very likely lead to a very long period of instability spanning many decades for all involved.

 

MARTY MARTEL

3:34 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Is Afghanistan a sovereign state in Mr. Schmidt’s book?

Obviously Mr. Schmidt has NO problem history repeating itself.

After all the long history of Pakistani duplicity Mr. Schmidt still wants U. S. to trust Pakistan when he claims that U. S. must allow Pakistan to dominate Afghan affairs. Shouldn’t that be Afghan decision? Why should Afghanistan allow Pakistan to dictate who can be Afghan friend and who can not be?

How long does Afghanistan have to suffer at the hands of Pakistan with U. S. blessings?

Is Afghanistan a sovereign state in Mr. Schmidt’s book?

Is ’wanting strategic depth’ a valid excuse to terrorize neighbors like Pakistan terrorizes Afghanistan and India or even take over a neighbor like Pakistan took over Afghanistan in 1996 and wants to do so again once U. S. troops depart? Should India create terrorist outfits to terrorize Pakistan and take it over because India feels sandwiched between China and Pakistan?

 

KHALID MUFTI

4:47 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Lots of smart people...

...shooting their mouths off in comments. They make it look as though Pakistan were a superpower, holding US, India and everyone else to ransome. Pakistan has few regional ambitions, and no global aims. It is concerned merely with its own survival.

Pakistan may not be very smart in many areas, but it certainly knows about its security needs, and is determined to ensure them. It is also capable of doing so.
Aligning with "terrorists?" Just google US alignment with similar groups. Central and South America are full of "terrorists" we have supported, financed, trained and equipped. The Taliban are heirs to the Mujahedeen whom Reagan likened to George Washington, and who compelled the Soviet army to withdraw in defeat.

The Taliban are going a step further. They are determined to inflict defeat AND humiliation on us. And our strategy, or lack thereof, ensures this will happen.
This is Afghanis-Nam. Or is it Viet-Stan?

 

BLAIN2

5:00 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Well put!

Its this stubborn desire to not think of the Pakistani PoV as a non-starter which has got us in this situation. Great points above!

 

DR. KUCHBHI

12:00 PM ET

October 20, 2011

Sorry Khalid

Pakistani army's security needs are not the same as Pakistan's security needs.

If they were then, the Pakistani army would have known not to initiate war with India in
- 1965 (Operation Gibraltar and Operation Grandslam)
- 1971 (Operation Changez Khan)
- 1999 (Kargil) and
against Pakistani citizens in East Pakistan (Operation Searchlight) in 1971.

How many of these offensives because of security needs benefited Pakistan?
Did Pakistan gain territory, plurality, riches, global standing, spread of religion, improved economics or lifestyles?

The Pakistani army THRIVES on keeping Pakistanis SCARED of the bogeyman (despite the fact that they have ALWAYS initiated conflicts with the so called bogeyman.)

The Pakistani army also THRIVES on giving the impression that they will protect the West from jihadists because this means more military aid while keeping the water "boiling at the right temperature" as one of your ex generals has said.

 

BLAIN2

5:02 PM ET

October 19, 2011

correction - Its this

correction - Its this stubborn desire to think of the Pakistani PoV as a non-starter which has got us in this situation. Great points above!

 

CNIRU

5:09 PM ET

October 19, 2011

History and Fate of Pakistan/Afghanistan

Pakistan started it in 1947 by pushing in Pashtun mujahiddins to destabilize the princely state of J&K. They thought the J&K should be part of Pakistan because it was majority Muslim. Wrong, the legalese of the accession of princely states said "whichever dominion the current ruler chooses to accede to" ... the Maharaja of Kashmir (Hindu) as well the the elected Prime Minister (Muslim) preferred accession to India. That they were forced by the Pakistani backed invasion in order to get Indian Army support is a moot point from history. But Pakistan's land grab is as old as the Two Nation theory (the very creation of the country is a land grab by Punjabis / Mohajir from the other ethnicities in Pakistani territory like Pashtuns, Sindhis, Balochis, Baltis etc.)

India paid back the Pakistanis in 1971 by supporting the Bengali nationalists who didn't want to live under the yoke of Urdu / Punjabi speaking western Pakistanis. And ZA Bhutto stole power in spite of having lost to the Awami League of Sheikh Mujib in elections.

Pakistanis claim they were left to fend for themselves after they helped the USSR exit out of Afghanistan using US arms, who forced the Pakistanis to become a pawn of the USA ? No one. So Pakistanis themselves are responsible for their decisions. And then they foisted those good for nothing Koran spouting illiterate mujaheddins into Indian Kashmir, once again hoping to force the Kashmir issue to their gain.

Pakistan has failed to get Kashmir by force, they will fail again and again till they run dry, of money, energy and blood. The rest of the world will go on with progress, the decrepit Pakistani state and its starving unlettered multitudes will then find their country quartered and fenced off into ethno-linguistic based, de-Islamized political fragmentary states. The Pashtuns are waiting for that to happen, they can then remove the Durand line for good, and unify the Pashtun heartland, and live by their own rules.

Stable future:
1) Denuclearize, disarm and de-islamize Af-Pak Polity.
2) Dismember Af-Pak into ethno-linguistic fragmentary states:
- Create ethno-linguistic states, with population exchange if necessary.
(a) Punjabis
(b) Seraikis
(c) Pashtuns (both sides of Durand Line)
(d) Karakoram (Gilgit-Chitral-Swat-Baltistan)
(e) Sindh
(f) Baluchistan
(g) Hazaristan (for Afghan / Pakistani Hazaras)

Put Pakistani Shias in an adjacent area to Hazaras if necessary, with population exchange from Pashtun areas, also if necessary in mixed ethnicity areas. Then set up Constitutional Republics with each sovereign ethnic states or a Sovereign Federation of republican states (like India).

Enough is enough, these people are a menace to themselves as well as their neighbours, and they have been so for a long, long time. They are culturally in the Iranian/Indian sphere, if 1000y of Islam has not made them Arabized then nothing will (it was unlikely anyway ... ). It is time the world gave them fewer choices and solved their multiple (mostly fake) identity crises arising from being in the borderlands of influential civilizations. Give them less choices and they will eventually take to the most logical one (ethno-linguistics, not religion) and settle down. Any other option is going to perpetrate the mayhem and hinder their development.

We are talking the fate of ~210 million people here. Something ought to be done to bring down the bloodbath. Somehow I feel the Soviets would have done this properly if the US had not interfered like the asses that they are, and armed the already radicalized Islamist thugs in the 1970s.

 

BLAIN2

5:15 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Nice obituary, nice joke!

Right out of an Indian textbook I see. Carry on carrying on!

 

BLAIN2

5:20 PM ET

October 19, 2011

You can play the ethnic card

You can play the ethnic card all day long and the ground situation won't change which is that Pakistan is around and will remain around for a very long time. If there is a threat of dismemberment, it is to India given that there is an insurgency raging in the entire of India's northeast that dwarfs any of the ethnic issues you highlight for Pakistan.

The militancy gets fuel from the ongoing occupation in Kashmir and will continue to do so. Fix Kashmir and you fix Afghanistan!

 

PETERPANDESALXX

12:31 AM ET

November 9, 2011

funny

hahaha that is one funny comment there bro. That one made me laugh so hard today. Thank you for making my day bright as early as now. can't wait to read more from you! the sims social facebook the sims social

 

BLAIN2

5:11 PM ET

October 19, 2011

@ Noquarter WHY did the ISI

@ Noquarter

WHY did the ISI attack the US embassy in Kabul if they are our friends??? Why does the ISI fund the Haqqanis if they are our ally??? Why does Karzai believe he must talk to the Paksitanis instead of the Taliban because the Taliban "can't lift a finger" without Pakistan saying so???

The hard truth is that Pakistanis LOVE Al Qaeda and the Taliban and the proof is that they both have found safe haven in Paksitan and receive direct support from the Terrorist Pakistani state. I am an AMERICAN not and Indian and you better believe AMERICA is going to make Pakistan pay the price.>>>>>>>

What proof do we have that the Pakistanis have attacked the US embassy? Just because a non-entity in the form of an Afghan governor said so? What intercepts and proof of planning have we put in front of the Pakistanis that they were behind these attacks? What plausible benefit does Pakistan get out of attacking our troops and getting so much heat for it?

They would be trying their level best that they do not piss us off and carry on dealing with us.

AQ and Taliban both found refuge in Pakistan after we failed to take them out in Afghanistan. The problem lies with how we went after them. As far as making them pay, for what? That they watch over their interests just like the rest of the world does? I really could care less whether you are an Indian or any other Tom, Dick or Harry but at the end of the day, its the Pakistanis who have to live there and not us.

We should have left after taking out AQ many years ago. Now we have started a war against the Pashtuns which won't end on a happy note for us. This is the sad reality and we need to realize it. Pakistan is already all the worse for it given the intense strife, infighting, bombings and economic problems they have faced as a result of this war. There isn't a whole lot more that we can dish out to them without hurting our own interests in the region for many decades to come.

There is a time for bravado and now is not it. We should continue to work and talk with the Paks and allow a bit more give and take in this relationship. When the other side thinks that they are the only ones giving, then it means this relationship is skewed.

 

GSC_99

8:45 PM ET

October 19, 2011

Alternate Universe

It seems the author resides in an alternate universe. There is not strategic parity between India and Pakistan. He seems to belong to the old school of pre 9/11 US foreign policy when US was trying hard to create a fascade of parity between Pakistan and Russian, Indian partnership. That was then this is now. It is actually quiet surreal for someone to argue on the lines of logic Mr Schmidt is uselessly pursuing. US must get rid of such thinkers and embrace the reality, especially after discovering OBL in Pakistan. The enemy is Islamic terror, no matter what the cause. How can anyone justify terrorism, there is no good terrorism.

 

SAIF UR REHMAN

11:17 AM ET

October 22, 2011

good anaylysis...

good analysis of pakistani aims in the region and here one can find a mutal interest between US and Pak that Taliban have a legitimate share in Afghan government, army and all institutions. As Pukhtuns are 50% in Afghanistan, so they got to have share accordingly.

As for as Pak-India relations , they can never normalize untill the Kashmir dispute is resolved as per the wishes of Kashmiri people. Kashmiris want freedom for themselves more than joining India or Pak, thats the solution.

 

PRELIOCIVEDE

3:29 PM ET

November 11, 2011

Pakistan has 180 Million

Pakistan has 180 Million people, and nukes, it's not a small weak nation like Libya or Iraq, its here to stay. 10 years of India and America trying to destroy it has failed. Now USA is leaving the region, and China and Pakistan are going to have to think about dividing India as China wants Anchul Pradesh, and Pakistan wants free bets Kashmir. We will see what China and Pakistan want and take? accordingly. After that no hate just peace and love. I am concered about Hindu terrorist modi as well.

 

DANIELAB

3:33 PM ET

November 11, 2011

Also as long as there is hate

Also as long as there is hate and fight over resources , Land , religion , or just plain leader of the nation want to dominate the world ,There will be problems and wars ,Do you know USA and west has actually been interfering in the world politics and army approaches since 1980 or even Earlier ,All the parts of Africa , Vietnam, Iran ,Iraq , Kuwait wars, Gulf wars ,? Afghanistan , Taliban , West has always been doing this bet365,and when you see why , you will know, tryin to keep peace ...

 

LISAJANE64

4:39 AM ET

November 13, 2011

The "new" new bad guys

Very informative article here, Professor Schmidt. But your analysis is a bit outdated and a lot of facts / points have been much overlooked.

"Bin Laden is *NOW* dead, and even Washington admits that the primary al Qaeda threat to U.S. interests has moved elsewhere."

Of course, it's time for "Washington" (NATO) to create a new bogeyman to perpetuate this supposed "war on terror" for their own "fun and profit".
Enter the Haqqani Network. These new bad guys can be strongly funded by the CIA as an opposition force to justify American military presence in Afghanistan.

Clearly, the World Police is clearly at it again. People should start accepting the fact that the United States government designs new “incidents” and designates new “enemies” to advance their agenda of global hegemony, and further increase the profits of their military industry. It's amusing and ridiculous at the same time to know that many folks still believe that Bin Laden launched the 9-11 attacks. Stop to think folks!

Much love,
Lisa O.