Exodus

Is there a place for Christians in the new Middle East?

BY JAMES TRAUB | OCTOBER 21, 2011

Violence against Copts in Egypt is not remotely of the magnitude of the anti-Christian pogroms of Iraq. But it has been steadily growing in recent years. The most spectacular attack took place this past New Year's Day, when 21 Copts were killed walking out of a Mass at Saints Church in Alexandria, the once-louche Ottoman capital that is now a center of Salafism, a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. Egypt had begun 2010 with the killing of nine congregants emerging from a midnight Mass in the city of Nag Hammadi, and there had been many incidents thereafter. But the revolution in the streets erupted only a few weeks after the Alexandria bombing, and the spectacle of Muslims and Christians praying together in Tahrir Square had offered a thrilling counterpoint to the communal tensions. Indeed, Jean-Pierre Filiu, a French diplomat and author of The Arab Revolution, argues that the popular protests have forged an unprecedented solidarity between Muslims and Copts.

But acts of violence continued -- an arson attack against a church in March, then a violent clash between groups of demonstrators that left 12 dead, then another outburst at a church in Cairo's Imbaba neighborhood, with another 12 dead. The Oct. 9 demonstration was meant to protest the military government's failure to act in the face of these earlier incidents. The violence itself was probably not sectarian: Though all 24 of the dead were Copts, and many died a hideous death, run over by armored vehicles, the hired thugs and security forces who attacked the crowd were engaged in a brutal crackdown on dissent, not a targeted communal murder. But state television urged "honorable Egyptians" to defend soldiers from Christian mobs, thus seeking to convert the event into a Christian attack on the state and playing into the stereotype of Copts as outsiders. "The SCAF," says Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Doha Center, using the acronym for the military government, "benefits from a sectarian narrative."

Egyptian activists were not fooled. Political reformers like Ayman Nour blamed the military for shedding "the blood of our brothers." Even the SCAF understood that it had gone too far, apologizing for the appeal to "honorable Egyptians." But the Muslim Brotherhood, whose political party is very likely to gain a plurality of seats in upcoming parliamentary elections, came very close to blaming the victim, issuing a statement saying that "All the Egyptian have grievances and legitimate demands, not only our Christian brothers. Certainly this is not the right time to claim them." Hamid points out that this "uppity Christian" narrative played very well with ordinary Egyptians -- which is probably why the Brotherhood, with its fine instinct for the vox populi, chose to offer it. Hamid also notes that in their beleaguerment Copts have increasingly turned inward, producing a spiral of mutual mistrust.

There's no wishing away the anti-Coptic attitudes, or prejudices, of ordinary Egyptians. But Copts have lived with that for a long time. The big question is whether it will get worse -- and how much worse. And that will be a matter of political choices and political leadership. The Brotherhood, to its credit, has rarely catered to religious chauvinism, and, despite its Islamist appeal, has positioned itself as a spokesman for all Egyptians. Even the Salafists have not openly played the communal card. Copts continue to play a leading role in Tahrir Square; Mina Daniel, one of the Oct. 9 victims, has been celebrated as a martyr of the campaign against the SCAF. Nevertheless, Egypt feels to Copts, as well as to secular Egyptians, like an increasingly Islamist country.

It could go either way. One thing the incident proves is the danger of leaving the SCAF in power during the very long projected period of transition: Egypt's new military rulers, like the military ruler they replaced, have proved all too willing to exploit street-level resentment. Power-sharing cannot wait until a new president is elected in mid-2013 or so. Egypt's democratic forces say that they are determined not to allow themselves to be divided against one another. Let's hope so. In Egypt, and all across the former Ottoman outposts of the southern Mediterranean -- Tunisia, Libya, Syria -- it is not just democracy but also pluralism that is at stake. It would be a terrible thing, and a deeply unnecessary one, if the rise of the former meant the end of the latter.

VICTORIA HAZOU/AFP/Getty Images

 

James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and a fellow of the Center on International Cooperation. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

COUNTCHOCULA1011

10:03 PM ET

October 21, 2011

The problem is perception

The Muslims think Christians as a whole are at war with them
The Christians think Muslims as a whole are at war with them.
Each side thinks all the blame lies with the other side.
It's a perpetuating cycle and will only end once these perceptions are frayed.

 

KHALID MUFTI

3:36 PM ET

October 22, 2011

Countchocula's neat observation...

...is confirmed by Cometlinear's xenophobic comment. You can find such prejudice by the thousands in the comments pages of most online publications.

Arab-Jewish relations began to sour when it became clear that White Christian powers had decided to take land Arabs/Muslims had tilled for centuries and hand it to a certain religio-ethnic group of Europeans that White Christians had oppressed for a thousand years, and whom they did not want to live among themselves. If you can't see the connection, then you are blind.

I went to a catholic school, and once we elected a Jewish boy as class prefect. Some years later, the few hundred Jews that had lived in the country for hundreds of years had to move out, as Israeli atrocities against Arabs/Muslims became more widely known and fueled resentment against Jews. Illogical, but that's the nature of mass thinking. It is not only the average American that is ignorant and xenophobic. Arabs/Muslims have the same 'right.'

The White Christian world's atrocities against Arabs/Muslims beginning with the murder of 350,000 Iraqis in 1991, and the revenge and counter-revenge of the following years, have broken the mutual tolerance that had existed and seething resentment of the last two decades has now given in to open hostility. Strongmen like Saddam Hussain and others, who effectively maintained order, having been removed by the all-knowing White Christian armies, street mobs take over whenever they can and take their own mini-revenge against groups that they associate with the invaders and oppressors.

These are forces WE have unleashed. So WE must pay the price of our ignorance, arrogance and atrocities. There seems to be no going back to the days of diversity. Now live with it.

 

EFFENDI

4:50 PM ET

October 22, 2011

@COMETLINEAR's misleading comment

It's Muslims who are occupied by a foreign power in most conflicts involving Muslims (e.g. Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, southern Philippines and so on), and concurrently it's the Muslims who die en masse rather than occupiers.

Some of those conflicts go back centuries. In the case of Russian imperialism in the Caucasus, millions of Muslims were ethnically cleansed from their homelands and forced to move to the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century. Crimea in southern Ukraine once had a solid Muslim majority but the Crimean Tatar community is now almost entirely destroyed.

While we should mourn the decline of Christianity in the Middle East, we shouldn't descend to painting Muslims as solely aggressors or blame them for "most" of the world's conflicts--and in that regard I respect the ecumenical nature and tone of Traub's article.

 

KHALID MUFTI

5:54 PM ET

October 22, 2011

What does YOUR butt say...

...about how many Iraqis fell victim to our bombs, bullets and missiles in 1991? How many thousands killed is OK with you? And do they have the right to avenge, or is it only WE that have that right?

 

DMOLONEY

7:26 AM ET

October 23, 2011

@KHALID MUFTI As well as

@KHALID MUFTI

As well as making figures off the top of your head you also seem to have forgotten that the first iraq war was a multi-national effort that involved muslim majority nations as well as christian ones

 

ABDALI

4:16 PM ET

October 23, 2011

RE : Acctually "almost all .."

Amazingly almost all problems lies with Muslims.....
because Muslims are really cruel people;

!)They killed billions of Native Americans destroyed their culture , even killed their buffaloes

2)They killed millions of Native Austrialians

3)Killed 6 millions of Jews

4)Killed millions of Japanies by dropping Atomic bomb on them.

5)Killed "almost " billion in Iraq and still killing in Afghanistan

6) killed millions of women in the name of witchcraft
and yes i forget they also killed Galio gallei

ooooooooooo man how uncivilized barbarian and cruel these Muslims are ? forget about crusades... these Moors ?

 

DMOLONEY

8:20 AM ET

October 24, 2011

@ABDALI 5:16 PM ET October

@ABDALI 5:16 PM ET October 23

With all due respect abdali youre talking absolute nonsense. billions of native americans did not die nor did almost a billion die in iraq.

For someone to claim that only muslims have committed atrocities is wrong, but it is equally wrong to act as if only christians have also only done done so, both groups have a violent history and present.

 

S KUMAR

10:27 AM ET

October 24, 2011

Cherry picking history

@Khalid Mufti :
Why don't you go further than ~ 500 A.D (when Islam came into being) ?
It's not like there were no people living in those lands before that.
The well-documented brutality of Islamic conquest of the subcontinent as well as the Persian region (driving out the Parsees etc) dwarfs even Hitler's persecution of the Jews. (look up Will Durant for reference)
We should not blame what happened in the past on the Muslims in the present. I fully agree with that. And, the west indeed has committed crimes. But please don't cherry-pick history to support your cause.
It's not just the middle east. Out of ~ 55 or so Muslim countries, how many have effective rights for minorities and women ?
Take Pakistan for example, there are hardly any minorities left there.
Conclusion : Not just the middle east, there is no place for minorities in most of the Muslim countries.

 

BIGOMAR

1:40 AM ET

October 25, 2011

we are not much better

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VDELMONTE

6:31 AM ET

October 31, 2011

Divide and Rule

It's mainstream propaganda that's caused this consent conflict between groups in today's world. And though influence from TV, movies, music, computer games and the like, is the reason behind the insanity that is, society. The people behind this really love to rub it in your face, just look at the family guy theme song for example...

It seems today,
that all you see,
is violence in movies,
and sex on T.V.
but where are those good old fashion values...
on which we used to rely!

That is basically a celebration of the destruction of the "old fashion values" that no longer exist, thanks to TV and the like. These people (the Zionist crime network) are really taking the piss, WAKE UP!

- Vince Delmonte

 

PARETO

8:23 AM ET

November 8, 2011

Christianity is thriving

Thanks for your comment, but it must be stated that Christianity in the middle east is alive and growing by the day. Many are turning to the truth and experiencing a new life. Although much of the worship and prayer is still done in obscurity. stop--snoring

 

LIZAHAMONXX

11:20 PM ET

November 8, 2011

so true

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TAREK KLEINST

5:01 AM ET

November 11, 2011

I guess its only "ethnic

I guess its only "ethnic cleansing" if the people are Muslim

All I have to say to the usual, "the Palestinians are suffering from Israeli genocide" crowd is that if the Israelis treated the Palestinians the way the rest of the middle east treats its non-muslim minorities there would be no "problem". Because there would be no Palestinian population left in the region.

Mufti, you are full of it! Past alleged transgressions are no goddamn excuse for current acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing. It didn't wash for the Serbs or Hutus, it won't wash for the Arabs.

Its not a matter of "Muslim behavior" its simply extremists looking to cement their power through ethnic/religious prejudices. An appeal to baser instincts as a form of group cohesion. A group that slays together, stays together!
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PARETO

10:55 AM ET

November 11, 2011

For sure

It is all about freedom of religion regardless of one may think and that is what people are fighting for fax to email

 

INDAYMANDRAXX

7:23 PM ET

November 11, 2011

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A11242408

4:56 AM ET

November 15, 2011

when the ottomans conquered

when the ottomans conquered the city they drove away those minorities in the mountains of lattakia and kept opressing them for centuries until the french came and imposed equal rights for all.YouTube Converter Mac

 

FRANK TIFFERT

6:33 PM ET

November 16, 2011

one think

Problems with the article

'In great Ottoman capitals like Aleppo, in modern Syria, Jews, Christians, Kurds, and Sunni Muslims lived in the same neighborhoods.'

the problem with this statement is that the city of aleppo was significantly alawite and ismaili before the ottomans came. when the ottomans conquered the city they drove away those minorities in the mountains of lattakia and kept opressing them for centuries until the french came and imposed equal rights for all.

in other words the ottomans didnt really care for minorities - they only killed and drove some minorities away and put new minorities in those places.
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DELTA22

11:37 PM ET

October 21, 2011

a

There's only one way forward, and that's to restore the pluralism that exists in Western democracies as well as the former Ottoman Empire. Anything else would be disaster.

 

BABAK

7:29 AM ET

October 22, 2011

Problems with the article

'In great Ottoman capitals like Aleppo, in modern Syria, Jews, Christians, Kurds, and Sunni Muslims lived in the same neighborhoods.'

the problem with this statement is that the city of aleppo was significantly alawite and ismaili before the ottomans came. when the ottomans conquered the city they drove away those minorities in the mountains of lattakia and kept opressing them for centuries until the french came and imposed equal rights for all.

in other words the ottomans didnt really care for minorities - they only killed and drove some minorities away and put new minorities in those places.

 

DAVE123

10:23 AM ET

October 22, 2011

The ethnic cleansing of

The ethnic cleansing of Christians in the middle east only shows that the Israeli Palestinian conflict has nothing to do with warped notions of "justice" for Palestinians. It has to do with the desire to make the middle east judenrein. One only has to look at the mass Exodus of Palestinian Christians to see this.

 

BENIYYAR

4:58 AM ET

October 23, 2011

Christians are welcome in Moslem countries, to leave!

The only country in the entire Middle East where Christians are welcome to live, work, and prosper is Israel. In every Moslem or Arab Moslem country Christians are welcome to be murdered, beaten, robbed, unjustly imprisoned, forced to convert to Islam, if female raped and killed, or exiled.
This used to be the fate of the Jews in these Moslem or Arab Moslem countries, but about 60 years ago practically all the Jews living in those countries were murdered in pogroms, robbed of all their property and driven out, or simply left as soon as they got the chance.
How ironic that this was to also be the fate of the Christians, who sometimes even assisted their Moslem pogromists in destroying Arab Jewish communities 60 years ago.

 

JAMES_ATTREE

6:29 AM ET

October 23, 2011

Middle East that taught the world how the three Abrahamic

the Middle East that taught the world how the three Abrahamic faiths could get along with one another my A##!

What nonsense!

What utter nonsense!

The pogroms against Christians living in places like Egypt during the middle ages were every bit as brutal as those inflicted upon the Jews in Europe.

Lets also remember that over thousands of Christian pilgrims were massacred in Jerusalem and hundreds of places of Christian worship were destroyed during the 11th century when the muslim turks invaded Jerusalem which was one of the many factors that resulted in the Crusades.

 

KHALID MUFTI

3:38 PM ET

October 24, 2011

Liars, liars...

For over a thousand years, religious minorities lived securely and peacefully under Muslim rule in many parts of the world. Take Spain, for example. Muslims ruled there for 800 years, enough time to convert the entire population to Islam at the point of the sword. They did not do this. Instead, they allowed Christian and Jewish communities to live freely and in fact thrive. Jews held high positions in government and business.

Rabbi Maimonides, without whom Jewish law would be very scanty, wrote most of his books in ARABIC, get that? in Spain.

Similarly, Muslims ruled over India for 1,000 years, again enough time to convert by force. Yet over 70 per cent of South Asia (more or less equivalent to the old India) remains Hindu. Under many Muslim rulers, especially the Mughals, Hindus held high offices. Most Muslims in the region are descendants of Muhammad bin Qasim's troops that stayed back, very few are local converts. Even these local converts became Muslims not under Muslim pressure but as a rejection of the cruel caste system among Hindus.

When Christians finally reconquered Spain, they carried out massacres of non-Christians. Jews fled by the thousands to the relative safety of the Ottoman empire. This is how countries of the former Ottoman empire came to have such large Jewish populations.

The conspiratorial creation of Israel upset this equilibrium. The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians pulled out all the stops and led to retaliation against Jews--wrongly, in my view, but such is the nature of groupthink.

“There are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing…a Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population.”
--Israeli ‘historian’ Benny Morris. Haaretz, Palestine, January 9, 2004.

In much the same way, recent hostility against Christian communities has been provoked by White Christian attacks on Arab/Muslim countries, beginning with the destruction of Iraq in 1991 and the murder of 350,000 of its citizens. Since then, it has been revenge, counter-revenge and counter-counter-revenge. Where will it end? Before this, Christians had been living and thriving in Arab/Muslim nations.

These things are widely documented but not widely known because the world's media are monopolised by White Christians and Jews. Their bias is obvious.

 

AMIELU

4:51 AM ET

October 26, 2011

Maimonides

To the Grand Mufti:
Maimonides wrote his work in Egypt. He had to flee Spain due to the persecution of the Almohades an earlier version of Islamic jihad. He then tried Morocco where he encountered a similar fate. Fortunately Egypt was ruled by Saladin a Kurd. In Egypt he wrote the Epistle on Yemen that dealt with the religious status of Jews who were forced to convert to Islam.

 

INDAYMANDRAXX

12:42 AM ET

November 18, 2011

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MACCUARDI

5:26 PM ET

October 24, 2011

Islam

Just remember. Islam is a religion of peace.

 

KHALID MUFTI

12:03 AM ET

October 25, 2011

But not when...

...Muslims are being bombed. Then, Islam mandates Jihad. Jihad is not the initiation of hostilities, it is the RESPONSE to oppression. Isn't this the opposite of what our media tell you? As I said, White Christians and Jews dominate world media, and their narrative rules. Since most people are barely literate, they swallow it hook, line and sinker.

 

DCWMARK

9:27 AM ET

October 25, 2011

Typical A-Rab Islamist Lies

Peace only among Muslims! Peace, your arse!

Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."

Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."

Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"

Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."

Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."

Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."

Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"
Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"

 

KHALID MUFTI

5:06 PM ET

October 25, 2011

Good job, WC!

I didn't find initiating hostilities anywhere in these quotes. The Quran was revealed over two decades, sometimes in the middle of a battle, and many verses pertain to the immediate situation. To apply them to all time is disingenuous.

Want to see orders to initiate violence? I could quote many passages from the bible. Killing infants in Jericho by smashing their heads against the rock, for example. But quoting anyone's scriptures can get us nowhere. What the purported followers of those scriptures DO, that's what matters. If we look at just the last two decades, major violence has come from White Christians. Arabs/Muslims have merely responded to that violence with revenge attacks.

 

JGARBUZ

11:05 AM ET

November 18, 2011

Islam attacked Christian Mesopotamia, Christian Syria, Christian

Egypt and North Africa, and Jewish Palestine back in the 7th century. Islam started it.

 

DICKERSON3870

11:57 PM ET

October 24, 2011

"...the collapse of pluralism was...the work of nationalists..."

RE: "Quataert argues that the collapse of pluralism was not an inevitable consequence of seething inter-group resentment, but rather the work of nationalists..." ~ Traub

FOR EXAMPLE (FROM WIKIPEDIA) :

(excerpt) The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.[2] The operation caused no casualties, except for those members of the cell who committed suicide after being captured.
The operation became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident, or euphemistically as the Unfortunate Affair or The Bad Business (Hebrew: ???? ????, HaEsek Bish or ???? ????, HaEsek HaBish). After being denied for 51 years, the surviving agents were in 2005 officially honored with a certificate of appreciation by the Israeli President Moshe Katzav.[3]...

SOURCE - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

 

DICKERSON3870

11:59 PM ET

October 24, 2011

"...the collapse of pluralism was...the work of nationalists..."

RE: "Quataert argues that the collapse of pluralism was not an inevitable consequence of seething inter-group resentment, but rather the work of nationalists..." ~ Traub

FOR EXAMPLE (FROM WIKIPEDIA) :

(excerpt) The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.[2] The operation caused no casualties, except for those members of the cell who committed suicide after being captured.
The operation became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident, or euphemistically as the Unfortunate Affair or The Bad Business (Hebrew: ???? ????, HaEsek Bish or ???? ????, HaEsek HaBish). After being denied for 51 years, the surviving agents were in 2005 officially honored with a certificate of appreciation by the Israeli President Moshe Katzav.[3]...

SOURCE - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

 

YUSEF101

1:42 AM ET

October 25, 2011

instability

Of course any instability gives extremists a free hand

Imagine if the Entire US police machinery was fighting drug cartels

the right wing terror groups with go on a bombing spree against abortion clinics

 

ARI-Z

8:44 AM ET

October 25, 2011

Turkey acepts minorities

If you think the denial and suppression of 20% of its population and locking up journalists and politician who dissent from fascist ideologies Mustafa Kemal and the AKP and if you still think that Turkey is still tolerant then every country in the greater Middle East is tolerant. Turkey is the most inhospitable country when it comes minorities. Turks are xenophobic just like their government. Just look how they are ignoring the earth quake in the Kurdish East, refusing foreign aid and support. You don’t see the Turk majority in Turkey giving a helping hand to their fellow Kurdish citizens.

 

DCWMARK

9:19 AM ET

October 25, 2011

TODAY SATURDAY, TOMORROW SUNDAY ...

Is it Sunday ALREADY?!?!?!?!

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out--because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out--because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out--because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

-- Martin Niemolle

 

GIGA34

8:24 PM ET

November 15, 2011

A detailed report last year,

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KNATIVE

10:28 AM ET

October 27, 2011

Some of you talk like Muslims

Some of you talk like Muslims and Christians are some sort of racial category. Christianity and Islam are ideologies. They can undergo changes. For instance: some churches are positive about homosexuality, even though in the bible it states that gay people are to be put to death. I personally think no one should believe religion, however, the problems in the "Muslim" world shouldn't be reduced to some simplistic factor like "they are all barbaric Muslims." Egypt has been under the rule of dictatorships for how long? That country is not politically or economically developed. The dictator has been overthrown. It is kind of unstable right now in the country.

 

A11242408

4:58 AM ET

November 15, 2011

we need to pray for

we need to pray for Christians throughout the middle east, including in Israel, many of whom are going through unimaginable online sport bets persecution. And pray for those less fortunate than us who have never seen the true light, even though they wish our death. Shalom. SWF Converter Mac

 

SPOOD

2:02 PM ET

October 28, 2011

I guess its only "ethnic cleansing" if the people are Muslim

All I have to say to the usual, "the Palestinians are suffering from Israeli genocide" crowd is that if the Israelis treated the Palestinians the way the rest of the middle east treats its non-muslim minorities there would be no "problem". Because there would be no Palestinian population left in the region.

Mufti, you are full of it! Past alleged transgressions are no goddamn excuse for current acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing. It didn't wash for the Serbs or Hutus, it won't wash for the Arabs.

Its not a matter of "Muslim behavior" its simply extremists looking to cement their power through ethnic/religious prejudices. An appeal to baser instincts as a form of group cohesion. A group that slays together, stays together.

 

FRANK TIFFERT

9:38 AM ET

November 8, 2011

christians in middle east

The Middle East is the birthplace of Christianity and home to some of the world's most ancient Christian denominations and not China Import. But Christian communities across the region are declining in numbers because of a combination of low birth rates, emigration and, in some places, persecution and violence.

 

HIGHSOUND

9:27 AM ET

November 18, 2011

yes

In some places, but there are still a lot of violence oppression in the region , yes a lot of migration to the birth rate is less than 2 kişilk oyunlara>

 

BROWNJENNY

3:46 AM ET

November 10, 2011

Pretty good post.

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BROWNJENNY

11:28 PM ET

November 11, 2011

Great post

I should say that you have done a great job and your writing style is awesome. I was searching for this topic and just found your site when I was googling. Your blog can be much better if you put some pictures in it.
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JOHN1407

1:16 AM ET

November 14, 2011

Thanks for story

Here the article written on sickening violence for the Egyptian story is very deep.I liked this Egyptian story.Here the words said by Quataert is very clear and meaning ful,he has well described about the story.

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TONNY72

8:00 AM ET

November 14, 2011

nice learning..

It has been good description about the egyptian story,This is very inspiring and intresting.The famous historian David Abulafia has good described about the egypt and great sea.Thnaks for giving information about it.
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DANISHKHAN001

8:06 AM ET

November 14, 2011

Good story about egypt

It has been good description about the egyptian story,This was very inspiring and intresting.The famous historian David Abulafia has good described about the egypt and great sea.Thnaks for giving infromation about it.
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PRELIOCIVEDE

2:46 PM ET

November 14, 2011

I am absolutely a supporter

I am absolutely a supporter of Israel, but there is persecution of Christians there. Not as bad as in Muslim countries, but still seriouse. It would be easy to be angry with the Jews, or to hate the Muslims. But we have to realize that they are in darkness, and those raised only in darkness fear the light- and we hate what we fear. Christians are hated (feared) for what we represent, and the Jews were hated for that far longer than we have been. Christ told us that if they hate Him, they’ would hate us. So, should we be surprised? Should we return hate for hate? Defend ourselves (and sometimes others), certainly. Support Israels right to do the same. But we need to pray for Christians throughout the middle east, including in Israel, many of whom are going through unimaginable online sport bets persecution. And pray for those less fortunate than us who have never seen the true light, even though they wish our death. Shalom.

 

DANIELAB

2:49 PM ET

November 14, 2011

Every year over 175,000

Every year over 175,000 Christians are martyred for their faith, including thousands at the hands of radical muslims. Anti-semitism runs rampant in muslim nations. Yet, most western nations, primarily Judeo-Christian in the basis of their laws (if not their faith), make it illegal to discriminate against Muslims, Hindus, etc. Who, then, is more tolerant: Muslims or Christians and Jews? The Muslim world has a far greater freebet uk distance to go in tolerance than Christians and Jews.

 

BROWNJENNY

1:51 AM ET

November 15, 2011

Great post

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BROWNJENNY

7:03 AM ET

November 15, 2011

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GIGA34

7:44 AM ET

November 15, 2011

Abulafia writes that Omar

Abulafia writes that Omar Toussoon, a leading member of the Egyptian royal family, patronized all these groups equally while working hard to improve the economic fortunes of the city's Muslim masses. Love SMS For Everyone. Dan

 

SBHATT09

12:18 AM ET

November 16, 2011

Good One...

Its an awesome Egyptian story having real touch.I like the words said by quataert thet is it is not because of "inherent animosities of an alleged racial or ethnic nature."..I will appreciate the writter Jjames traub for writting such tough article. fountains and ponds perth

 

MICHEALJSAM

1:46 AM ET

November 16, 2011

I can tell that the author

I can tell that the author has a greta understanding and wrote such a beautiful article. I think its is really sad how the Jews inflicted so much pain on the minority christians.

 

KALLI01

3:21 AM ET

November 16, 2011

Great Blog

This is an affecting point of view on this topic. I am happy you shared your ideas and I find myself agreeing.
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JEMOIS

6:55 AM ET

November 16, 2011

Nice vision

I think there will always be conflict between christians and muslems. That's because oif the different believs they have...even if we actually have all the same origin
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SEOCOMAPNY

7:23 AM ET

November 16, 2011

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I really loved reading your blog. It was very well authored and easy to understand. Unlike was Additional Blogs Which I Have read are really not good.
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AARONMICHAEL

12:10 PM ET

November 16, 2011

Interesting point of view

There are some interesting points in time in this article but I don’t know if I see all of them center to heart. There is some validity but I will take hold opinion until I look into it further. Good article , thanks and we want more! Added to FeedBurner as well
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CLAUDE.THOMPSON

1:06 PM ET

November 16, 2011

There are some interesting

There are some interesting points in time in this article but I don’t know if I see all of them center to heart. There is some validity but I will take hold opinion until I look into it further. I like the beautiful picture u used in the article. Good article , thanks and we want more!

 

YARINSIZ

3:59 PM ET

November 16, 2011

The White Christian world's

The White Christian world's atrocities against Arabs/Muslims beginning with the murder of 350,000 Iraqis in 1991, and the revenge and counter-revenge of the following years, have broken the mutual tolerance that had existed and seething resentment of the last two decades has now given in to open hostility. seslichat Strongmen like Saddam Hussain and others, who effectively maintained order, having been removed by the all-knowing White Christian armies, street mobs take over whenever they can and take their own mini-revenge against groups that they associate with the invaders and oppressors.

 

SEOCOMAPNY

4:58 AM ET

November 17, 2011

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JOHNTER

4:39 PM ET

November 17, 2011

Good story about egypt

It has been a good description about the egyptian story. I like the beautiful picture you used in the article. This was very inspiring and interesting. The famous historian David Abulafia has good described about the egypt and great sea. This is one of the most useful articles I’ve read this year. In other words the content of the article is all positive and it is a great start of people would get a chance to read this. great work. acana adult dog

 

JGARBUZ

11:00 AM ET

November 18, 2011

The Jewish state is the only state in the Middle East where

Jews, Christians, Muslims and others have full religious and civil rights.

 

LIAMREGLER

11:34 AM ET

November 19, 2011

Who is Praying For the Arabs?

Arab Christians find themselves in a precarious dilemma. Muslim's hear much regarding the views of Muscular Christian preachers who broadcast over evangelically built radio and T.V. stations located in the Middle East. There are approximately 175, 000, 000 Arabs dwelling in some 21 Arab countries, and we seem unaware that Christ also died for them. Among them are Arabs who already have experienced the new birth - evangelical Christians, suffering hardships along with other dwellers of the powder keg Middle East. Since these believers are neither Jewish or Moslem's, they are viewed with people suspicion by both sides in the explosive Arab Israeli conflict. The hardships engendered by this "caught in the middle" status are intensified by the militant theology disseminated against Arabs.

 

MICEONLY

5:29 PM ET

November 19, 2011

Actually this is all

Actually this is all happening due to Intolerance, we are increasingly moving towards religious intolerance. Not only specific to East Asia or Middle East, its happening all around the world. Minorities are not treated properly in every country. We have to start debate including all religions for rights of minorities so that we can come to a single result. I think we have to start some Online College Courses for this purpose as well.
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ALANCOSO

2:53 PM ET

November 20, 2011

Issues between Muslims and

Issues between Muslims and Christians are not new and we have a long history for this purpose. I admit that we have to increase our tolerance level in religious issues and towards minorities. Thanks private jet charter

 

GIGA34

5:13 PM ET

November 20, 2011

I have been following such

I have been following such news every second day, we have to come up with a platform to avoid such intra-religion matters. Rest everyone know who is doing right or wrong. Thanks Birthday Quotes For all those Christians born today. Thanks