Deal Breaker

How badly did Europe just bungle its best shot yet at avoiding economic catastrophe?

BY MOHAMED EL-ERIAN | NOVEMBER 1, 2011

Second, some banks that hold Greek debt started expressing reservations about the agreed-upon 50 percent debt reduction -- a haircut they had initially hoped to keep to 21 percent. This puts back on the table the threat of a very chaotic and disruptive Greek default. It also places a question mark on the robustness of the cooperative public-private approach that is central to solving Europe's crisis -- and the banks' reluctance has only increased since Papandreou's announcement of the referendum.

Third, the European Central Bank (ECB) has proved less than fully effective in stabilizing the interest rates on debt issued by other European economies, particularly that of Italy. Despite purchases by the ECB, the interest rate on Italian 10-year bonds has broken above 6 percent, more than double the level considered safe. The spread between the rates on Italian and German bonds -- a market measure of credit risk -- reached a new eurozone record. While it is not clear whether it is an issue of willingness or ability on the part of the ECB to stabilize markets, the disappointment has added to market jitters.

Markets have predictably plummeted today, and European leaders must again scramble to put the pieces back together. In the process, they will try to catch up, or at least avoid falling further behind, in a crisis that is spreading well beyond the original confines of peripheral countries' sovereign debt problems. The banking sector is now contaminated, and there are growing concerns about the impact on core countries, including France's ability to retain its AAA rating.

No wonder there is tremendous pressure on Papandreou to reverse his referendum gamble -- and this pressure is coming from both inside and outside Greece. Meanwhile, banks are being reminded that the alternative to the 50 percent debt reduction is an even more drastic loss of value. And I suspect that the ECB is hearing calls to be more forceful in its efforts to stabilize markets.

These issues will undoubtedly feature prominently at the G-20 Summit in Cannes this week. Unfortunately, they will crowd out the type of deliberations needed on other topics that are also of central importance to the wellbeing of the global economy. Leaders who are preoccupied with the sovereign debt crisis are almost certain to once again fail to formulate a much-needed global employment and growth pact. They also may fail to address the historic developments in North Africa and the Middle East -- where some economies need support as desperately as Europe's vulnerable economies -- that have occurred since the last G-20 meeting, to say nothing of the still-pressing issue of climate change.

Only last week, the hope was that after endorsing the outcome of the European summit, members of the G-20 would agree to supportive measures and also address the other big issues ailing the global economy. Expectations are now quickly ratcheting down, with the greatest optimists limiting their hopes to a new emergency Band-Aid for Europe. In the process, the outlook for global growth and jobs dims a little more.

JOHN MACDOUGALL/AFP/Getty Images

 

Mohamed A. El-Erian is CEO and co-chief investment officer of investment management firm Pimco and author of When Markets Collide.

FRENCHCONNECTION

8:41 PM ET

November 1, 2011

the Greek are beyond salvation

Greece is a nation which never really made a comeback from the Ottoman occupation. The influx of Levantin Greek 1923 (one fifth of the population) added an irreversible culture of middle-eastern bazaar- bargaining.

Today's Greece is basically ruled by two oligarchies of which the Papandreou is one of the most prominent. Loyalty goes to the family, not the State. A member of socialist PASOK can have extreme-rightist opinions but still vote for the party to preserve his particular advantages and the rule of the family.

45% of the Greek are employed in the public sector as "civil-servants" in an old Eastern Communist countries style. This gave them tremendous social advantages (wages, subsidies, pensions) for a "job" which is mostly improductive if existing. The rest survives on micro-enterprises that have to cheat on taxes to have some profit. The only "capitalism" that exists in Greece is very limited except for some branches like shipping and is tax-exempt too.

Such an economy isn't sustainable and the Greek have therefore been basically under "custody" of European powers since independence 1893.

The Greek population is the victim of those oligarchies it votes for, because those oligarchies basically pay an electorate (with borrowed money) to materially exist (and with by European standards enormous social privileges) waranting that way its grip on power, free cars, free housing and multiple gratifications. The rest of the population is more or less hostage of thos system which basically is a mafia-system.

The rest of the Eurozone should tell the Greek "elites" to f... off and repare the damage done to the zone which is possible by letting the ECB print money for a while.

Greece should leave the EU and become a state of "associated" level, like Georgia for example. Same status in NATO too.

The problem is that an impoverished Greece risks to turn into a failed state.
But it is a risk we have to take. Anyway the Turks could always restore law and order... under UN supervision of course.

 

MONGO46538

12:05 PM ET

November 2, 2011

No Confidence

The NY TImes has reported the Greek government has rejected Papandreou 's proposal for referendum and may possibly drum him out of office Friday. Hear Hear! .. Regardless of thier age-old system of Oligarchy, they need to grow up and realize that the system is unsustainable. Accept the Austerity measures and be glad it isn't worse than what it is. In the mean time the EU and the US need to determine what measures could be taken to allow Greece to implode and minimize the effect on the rest of the world, or risk having one tiny nation of spoiled brats hold the entire world economy hostage.

 

KEVLAH

12:37 PM ET

November 2, 2011

Difficult to be optimistic

From outside looking in it appears that Greece is completely at the mercy of Eurozone powers beyond their control. It puts Greece in an interesting position compare to, say, Iceland who seemed to forcefully resist against those who advocated that they accept their financial responsibilities, or Ireland who seemed to accept the suggestion that their lot in life is to suffer.

This isn't just a problem that can just affect the Eurozone. If Greece collapses proper, it could cause lasting damage to all European countries and as a result to the global economy as a whole. If Greece pulls France,Germany and UK et al into further trouble it could be disastrous for jobs, borrowing and economies as a whole.

 

JACOB BLUES

12:54 PM ET

November 2, 2011

The situation is still very fluid Mongo

Just pulled this from the paper's web site.

NY Times
November 2, 2011
Greek Cabinet Backs Call for Referendum on Debt Crisis
By RACHEL DONADIO and NIKI KITSANTONIS
ATHENS — With the government teetering on the verge of collapse, the Greek cabinet offered its full support early Wednesday to Prime Minister George A. Papandreou for his surprise plan to call a referendum on the Greek financial crisis.

The proposal threatens Greece’s adherence to the terms of a new deal with its foreign lenders and has plunged Europe into a fresh bout of financial turmoil.

But several lawmakers in the governing Socialist Party rejected the plan, raising the possibility that Mr. Papandreou will not survive a no-confidence vote scheduled for Friday that depends on his holding together a razor-thin parliamentary majority.

An emergency cabinet meeting convened by Mr. Papandreou ended at 3 a.m. with the cabinet saying that it unanimously supported the prime minister’s call for a referendum, local news outlets reported. The opposition and some members of his own party, however, were calling for new elections immediately.

Despite the political turmoil provoked by Mr. Papandreou’s call for a referendum, the prime minister appeared to have rallied his troops behind him after the seven-hour cabinet meeting.

 

JACOB BLUES

12:58 PM ET

November 2, 2011

I wouldn't blame Greece for the faults of Europe

Greece is certainly responsible for the financial mess that it is in, and by extension, the mess that all the financial firms who accepted Greek sovreign debt for it's fudging the books.

But the wider problem of financial contaigon, rests at the feet of the other nations and their own fragile financial status.

If Portugal, Ireland, and Italy, weren't also in similiar financial states, then there wouldn't be the worry of a global financial meltdown and the EU wouldn't be going to China hat-in-hand.

 

LAVORO

3:24 PM ET

November 2, 2011

Greece has already failed

Certainly the situation in Greece is guilty only of the state itself, but all of Europe is concerned about the domino effect that could lead to the failure. assicurazioni online

 

BALKAN_FALCON

6:45 PM ET

November 2, 2011

Can you blame the Greeks?

This deal essentially forces them to accept austerity measures and years of low (or no) growth while the rest of Europe continues to prime the pump.

It would be wrong to say that the Greeks have no one but themselves to blame for the current mess they find themselves in. It'd be like putting all the blame on the people who succumb to predatory lending by credit card companies and none on the companies or the laws that allow such practices. The Greeks weren't the architects of the current system. But they will probably be the biggest victims of it.

Then again, just bailing them out unconditionally would perpetuate the moral hazard that got the EU into this mess in the first place. How could you then get the other PIGS to accept much needed fiscal discipline?

What a mess!

 

VDELMONTE

3:44 AM ET

November 3, 2011

Sure hope so

These bail outs only dig the hole deeper. What these country's need to do is default on the debt, devalue there currency's and start over. Just look at Iceland, they did it, and now there back into growth.

- Vince Delmonte

 

ANBUDMOR

8:08 PM ET

November 4, 2011

Democracy Now

It really annoys me about how people call for and praise the virtues of democracy; but when democracy upsets the financial classes and institutions then it is okay to undemocratically impose a solution on those citizens without a vote. The one thing that Papandreou did right was to seek a referendum--unfortunately his party didn't have the balls to support him and their citizens.

On another point: I don't understand why anyone thinks Greece needs to leave the European Union, when the problem is only a Eurozone problem.

 

PHILBEST

5:49 PM ET

November 6, 2011

Sovereign debt is in a global bubble situation

The elephant in the room, is the "sovereign debt" is the world's next bubble waiting to burst.

Investors lending governments money in this day and age, need to face reality about the decadent phase that civilization is in.

I cannot see voters in any country today, allowing their government to enact austerity measures tight enough to actually pay back debt. New Zealand did this in the 1980's but I think that was an aberration that will not be repeated.

Fickle voters are simply going to force their governments to default. Greece is just an early and obvious example.

Considering the pain New Zealand went through to pay off its debt, I doubt that defaulting is any worse. International investors really should learn the hard way, not to keep lending money to venal politicians who are driven by stupid and selfish voters.

There is an appalling lack of investment today in things that actually produce anything and provide jobs for people. The politicians are responsible for this because their laws make it so difficult for producers and employers - hence investors favor the "safety" of lending to the government instead.

The result of this is actually another bubble, in sovereign debt, even if hardly anyone sees it this way yet.

 

SERAFINNUNEZ101

5:54 AM ET

November 22, 2011

Democracy should be served, now.

While I was doing a research on small portable printers for laptops, my daughter hurriedly showed me this article. We've been seeing news about Greece for weeks already and this article sums it all up. Democracy should be served now before it's too late.

 

DOMINOES

5:49 PM ET

November 26, 2011

never ending story

This saga continues every month it seems with no resolution.....get a grip Europe on your debt problem and stop wreaking havoc on the global financial markets....you have been acting recklessly and the strong economies have been benefiting from the weak ones like Greece...stop the madness or I might need to see an Austintherapist to help me get over the madness and chaos of these tumultuous global markets.

 

LJAY

2:27 PM ET

November 28, 2011

The Party Is Over

We are all just sitting around waiting for the Fat Lady to sing so we can begin to sort out what's left of the world. No way the US should have bailed out anybody in 2008. We would have been part of the way back to stability and all this mess would never happen. Thankfully manufacturing seems to be making it's way back to the US as the playing field levels around the world, with everything from window blinds to automotive parts like egr delete kit being made here after a long absence. Hopefully that will give our economy a boost and put folks back to work so we can weather the next storm.