Continental Divide

Do Europeans believe in the European Union enough to save it?

BY JAMES TRAUB | NOVEMBER 25, 2011

"Europe is either going to fall forward or fall back," my friend Pierre, a French diplomat, told me when I was in Paris last month. "And it must fall forward." By "fall forward," he meant that European countries must agree to surrender to the European Union much of their control over economic issues, as they already have over currency, internal migration, and the like. And by "must" he meant that the crisis over the euro had brought the system to a supreme moment of decision in which Europeans had to choose between greater integration and collapse.

"But will Europeans agree to fall forward?" I asked.

"That's the problem," said Pierre with a rueful grin.

Yes, that's the problem -- or rather, the Gordian knot that Europe's policy intellectuals and political leaders can neither cut nor unravel. The American sense of institutional dysfunction -- a lobbyist-owned Congress, a minority able to block a majority in the Senate -- seems modest by comparison. For an equivalent sense of crisis, you'd almost have to go back to the period in the 1780s when Americans recognized that the Articles of Confederation provided too weak a framework to keep the former colonies -- at the time more like separate countries than provinces -- bound together; the states ultimately accepted the need to surrender much of their sovereignty to an empowered central government.

In a recent essay, Mark Leonard, director of the European Council on Foreign Policy, wrote of "the necessity and impossibility of integration." The "necessity" part of the equation is clear enough. A deep recession, along with an acute banking crisis, has left Europe's weaker economies, including Greece, Ireland, Italy, and Portugal, with enormous debts relative to the size of their economies. The market has responded by refusing to buy the bonds those countries issue save at interest rates so high that first one of them, then another, has been threatened with bankruptcy. And the wealthier countries of the eurozone, fearing a contagion that could engulf them all, have agreed -- in the most piecemeal and grudging manner possible -- to raise sufficient capital to temporarily avert default, leaving publics in both debtor and creditor nations furious and resentful. A currency union of 17 nations, each with their own tax rates and public sector employment rates and labor market rules -- and above all, their own wildly varying rates of productivity -- cannot last. Either a mechanism has to be found to make them behave more like one another, or the 20-year-old experiment that is the euro, and perhaps even the half-century-old experiment that is the EU, will come to an end.

What would that mechanism to be? Most of the suggestions involve a so-called "two-speed Europe," with an avant-garde accepting a much greater degree of mutual integration and a rearguard adhering more or less to the current system -- in effect, falling forward and standing pat at the same time. The avant-garde would likely consist of the current euro states, while the others, like Britain, Denmark, and Poland, would constitute the rearguard. The "euro-core" countries could achieve their federated system by changes in EU treaty, by operating inside existing treaties, or by reaching a series of intergovernmental arrangements. One scheme envisions a kind of consolation-prize entity for the non-core countries, a free-trade zone that might even incorporate non-EU members like Turkey and Russia.

 

James Traub is a contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine and a fellow of the Center on International Cooperation. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

JIVATMANX

6:57 PM ET

November 25, 2011

It's worse than you think.

It's worse than you think. You only need to look at the voter turnouts. In a continent where national elections often bring 90%+ turnout, EU elections are 25%+ and dropping.

 

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12:50 AM ET

November 26, 2011

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JAMESMESHRIEKI

1:44 AM ET

November 26, 2011

Europe is still there.

Europe is going no where. it will be back in town. Europe just wants to show to whole world that they can do what ever they want..!!
But i would personally say that the Europe is one of the super power of whole world. No one can defeat them.

How ever it is true that most of the world news and all the kings are born there.
England can never fall. They are just tumbling now a days.

Thee are the remarks of energy and kings of Europe.
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November 26, 2011

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FORLORNEHOPE

7:20 AM ET

November 26, 2011

Been there, done that

Just under a hundred years ago it was clear that unless somebody did something really stupid, the assasination at Sarajevo would not cause any great ructions. Of course the Tsar did do something very stupid and the rest is history. Here we are again with a perfectly manageable European crisis which the collective stupidity of European leadership is going to turn into a disaster. Hopefully, this time, the disaster will be only an economic one. Here's hoping!

 

CELTTHEDOG

9:31 AM ET

November 26, 2011

Two points for the

Two points for the author:

Don't you think there was a whale of a difference between uniting 13 former British colonies (who had thus already shared a common identity) of whom 75% of the white population was of British descent versus some twenty-odd nations with no common language and entirely different national histories and cultures? The union of the US is comparable to that of Australia or Canada, not Europe.

I'll even overlook the fact that even among white men only the minority of the US population had the vote in 1787 -- unlike the universal franchise of today...

Second, that quote by Churchill ought to acknowledge that Sir Winston did not include Britain as a European country -- he believed we should remain outside of any European federation.

 

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4:07 PM ET

November 26, 2011

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A denver divorce attorney recently said that UK divorced Europe long before they got united. Nobody in Europe was happy about EU so how could they even think that it will work.
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MORANI YA SIMBA

8:01 PM ET

November 26, 2011

stealthy integration is up

I don't know how far Europeans are willing to go to build a federal government but I think it is high time to ask them more directly. The article very well points out that that bureaucrats have effectively tried to sneak integration past the voters, which may work for some time, and did. But the sense of having been cheated does more harm to legitimacy than anything else conceivable. It is necessary to ask Europeans openly what they really want with Europe. The only way to do that is to start an open debate.

 

MJACOBSON

7:24 PM ET

November 27, 2011

The Scheme Looks Appealing

It's the first time I've heard of this scheme where there are two zones in the EU, one where the mis-managed, like Greece, get to sit in their playplen, while the grownups, like Germany and France, can get on with the business of the day.

In my career, as an EDP manager, I've found that the pressures on the Euro have changed our workplace, and having the EU become stronger by dividing into the weak and strong is a good proposition, in my view.

 

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November 29, 2011

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11:32 AM ET

December 1, 2011

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