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The FP Interview: Bill and Melinda Gates

Bill and Melinda Gates on some unexpected new sources of aid -- and what they've learned from trying to save the world.

INTERVIEW BY CHARLES KENNY | NOVEMBER 28, 2011

Bill Gates on what's lacking in development:
The greatest market failure is the lack of investment in innovation, particularly innovation that would be of particular value to the poorest. We've been big on funding disease and agricultural innovations; why governments tend to fund delivery more than they fund upstream innovation, I don't know. In delivery systems, it wouldn't be typical for us to take on that kind of funding other than in pilot mode because when you're talking about delivering incentive payments to an entire country, it's not something that philanthropic means are going to be able to have the scale to do. But a lot of our inventiveness is on how upstream [innovation] and downstream [delivery] work together. So you take the polio campaign: using satellite maps to update the microplans that the vaccinators follow, using the GPS tracker to follow along to see if the independent monitoring person actually goes and visits the houses that they say they're visiting so that your tracking data is good. I don't think a lot of what we're doing with polio deserves a pure classification of upstream or downstream.

On working with governments on aid:
Within our areas of expertise, which include health and agriculture, some financial services, water, and sanitation, we are willing to really celebrate the great successes where rich-country aid budgets are funding things that are quite successful. We spend over $3 billion a year, of which $2 billion gets spent outside the United States, on these issues of helping the poorest countries. Getting the word out there -- [so] that people know that when the U.S is spending on malaria bed nets it's making a difference; or when Europe is funding new agricultural things, that that's worked out; or The Global Fund or GAVI Alliance are doing great work -- we spent quite a bit of time on that. Certainly at this G20 meeting [in November] we are encouraging rich countries and middle-income countries to spend their aid well and not to reduce their generosity lower than the minimum necessary.

On the complicated global politics of getting new drugs to the right people:
We've got to make sure great things get invented and that they get financed and that they get delivered. Take the case of vaccines. A good example of something we did is we worked with the Chinese regulatory authority so that they would get certified as a good regulatory authority so that some of the vaccines in China, including a Japanese encephalitis vaccine, could get out into the marketplace. It's not like somebody figured out this great world regulatory scheme. So you know, we find cases where it's not clear what the right path through it is.

On tax schemes to raise more public money for aid:
There's a financial transaction tax in Hong Kong. There's one in the UK having to do with securities settlement fees. I think you can design something that raises, say, $10 to $20 billion a year, implemented by a number of countries, that would help in the world of aid well spent. We're saving lives for a few thousand per life -- that's literally millions of lives that can be saved and countries that can be put on a sustainable path, along with the stability and security and medical benefits to the world at large. Even for the rich countries that are stretched to make their commitments, there are ways that I don't believe are that damaging that would let them meet, or get close to, their commitments.

On the emerging markets that are surprisingly good partners:
Brazil and China have not been traditional aid givers, but both have a lot to contribute. We just signed an agreement with the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology about them giving grants to innovators in China whose products can help the poor countries. We also just signed an arrangement with Brazil, where we're working with Embrapa -- that's their agricultural expertise group that did such miracle work on tropical soils -- where we work with them on pilot projects. So you have some new donors that bring new capabilities to help complement what the traditional donors are doing.

Melinda Gates on what they've learned:
We learned that if people were able to put aside a little bit of money each day or week -- even just a dollar or two -- then they had savings to serve as a cushion when things got tough. But there wasn't a system set up to help them save. We're really excited about M-Pesa. It's the first mobile money service that's become really useful to millions of people.

Behavior change is critical. While we're working upstream, developing solutions, we've got to be thinking about delivery: How should we develop and deliver those solutions so they will be adopted? I visited a project in India last year called Shivgarh. They've made incredible progress in behavior change and cut neonatal mortality by more than half in just 15 months. Communities created songs about skin-to-skin care -- kangaroo care -- and immediate and exclusive breastfeeding and clean-cord care. There are examples like this in other places in South Asia and in several countries in sub-Saharan Africa. Now we have to evaluate these behavior-change successes so that they can be extended to other places.

BEN STANSALL/AFP/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS: DEVELOPMENT
 

Charles Kenny is a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development and a Schwartz fellow at the New America Foundation, both of which receive funding from the Gates Foundation. Bill Gates is writing the foreward for the forthcoming paperback edition of Kenny's most recent book, Getting Better: Why Global Development Is Succeeding and How We Can Improve the World Even More. "The Optimist," Kenny's column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

DIFFERENTHAIRSTYLES

12:57 PM ET

November 28, 2011

Nice haircut Bill. Next time,

Nice haircut Bill. Next time, try one from http://www.differenthairstyles.org

 

JOE TOWERS

5:00 PM ET

November 28, 2011

Thank You, Gates Family

The Gates are wonderful people and the U.S. and the world is lucky to have them on this earth. A lot of people may disagree with their beliefs among other things, but even they must agree that we are better off having then not.

 

LMVA

7:07 PM ET

November 28, 2011

Thanks

Thanks for everything bill

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GOEDEL

7:46 PM ET

November 28, 2011

What good is done is undone by US aggressive wars.

I am sure that the Gates are doing fine work, but all of the fine work done is undone many times over by our imperialist, warlike government. Our President has continued and expanded the wars of his predecessor, wars based on lies, wars of aggression - the worst of war crimes. For example, the US has killed more than a million Iraqis by most estimates, injured and displaced many more. We have similarly devastated the lives of Afghans and remain there for no purpose related to 9/11. We are now at war in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. We have outdone al Quaida and are now the world's worst terrorists.

President Obama is not only a war criminal, but he has shredded our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. He has committed crimes against humanity in rendering captives to countries where torture is a well know part of their police methods.

Attention to the sort of good works undertaken by the Gates is merited, but such works would be far more effective if Bill and Melinda took an active role in condemning our President's wicked and tyrannical behavior in the world.

 

OCTAVYO24

7:24 AM ET

November 29, 2011

People like him are models to follow

In my opinion people like Bill Gates are models to follow in the real life. They made the right choices time ago and this is why he is one of the richest man in the world.

What i like the most is that people like Bill Gates also likes to give away and help new people and by offering jobs at their companies they also sustain the economy.

With the hard economic times we live people felt like they loosing their hair and this is why we must sustain and help anyone who sustain the economy by creating new job places and help people find the answer to how do i make my hair grow faster question :)

If i`m not wrong Warren Buffett another big businessman offered himself to give a portion of his fortune to help The US to get rid of this recession.

That proves how generous this people are and for this they deserves our respect.

 

WORDPRESSGURU

11:02 AM ET

November 29, 2011

Bill Gates Doesn't Get It

Bill Gates doesn't get it. Governments don't invest in delivery. The subside stagnation and status quo. The reason there is no real investment in inovation anymore is that so many are fine with the status quo. It's the reason why wall-street is in turmoil. The bankers wanted to maintain status quo forever, but it didn't work.

Bill Gates why not invest in some real things, like helping small businesses in this country innovate, instead of pretending like you're such a giver with all your fake aid's programs. People who need small business website design and the likes.

 

SHAWN BROWN

6:16 PM ET

November 29, 2011

upstream vs downstream

This is very insightful. Also, this shows the problems with my governments they are focusing on maintaining or downstream as opposed creating or innovation. affiliate marketing news

 

SHAAMYL77

2:28 AM ET

December 1, 2011

Behavior Change is must!

Behavior change is must and that's what is going to transform the world in a better place to live.
Well done Bill and Melinda Gates, you are inspiration for a whole lot of the world.
Motivation by you will definitely is going to help in behavior change and a better world for every body.

 

RONALDCARTER3451

7:25 AM ET

December 9, 2011

Innovation is the Key to Everything

I'm always inspired whenever I read something about Bill Gates has to say. He's really intelligent and exactly knows what he's talking about. I think innovation is the key to everything for us to be successful. You can apply innovation to technology, work process, chiropractic marketing, software, enviroment, and to anything, and you can be sure that you'll achieve outstanding results.

 

TEQUILA

6:51 PM ET

December 11, 2011

He's a philanthropist

Some people don't like bill gates, but you have to look at all the money he gives away each year. Sure, he's got billions, but at least he gives back. He doesnt complain about his first world problems, like sleep number bed problems or any hot water issues he might have. He lives in a normal size home, and is probably planning on donating millions into any research field of his choice. Don't look past all of those things.

 

FLASHPOINTS

1:54 AM ET

December 14, 2011

Great man

Behavior change is must and that's what is going to transform the world in a better place to live. Well done Bill and Melinda Gates, http://blog-express.com you are inspiration for a whole lot of the world.
Motivation by you will definitely is going to help in behavior change and a better world for every body.

 

DONKISSOTES

9:34 PM ET

December 16, 2011

agreed

"The greatest market failure is the lack of investment in innovation"
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YARINSIZ

3:56 PM ET

December 24, 2011

We are now at war in Yemen,

We are now at war in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. We have outdone al Quaida and are now the world's worst terrorists. President Obama is not only a war criminal, but he has shredded our seslichat Constitution and our Bill of Rights. He has committed crimes against humanity in rendering captives to countries where torture is a well know part of their police methods.

 

FRIVCITY

8:24 AM ET

December 28, 2011

Gates of future

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