Rise of the TIMBIs

Forget the BRICs. The real economies that will shake up the world over the next few decades need a new acronym.

BY JACK A. GOLDSTONE | DECEMBER 2, 2011

Nov. 30 marked the 10th anniversary of Goldman Sachs economist Jim O'Neill's anointing of the BRIC economies -- Brazil, Russia, India, and China -- as the future leaders of the global economy. Yet 10 years on, the notion of the BRICs already seems out of date. In China and Russia, demographic patterns have shifted. Their working-age populations are declining, as are exports, while still-rigid political systems stifle free thought and hamper technical advance.

Future trends still look robust in Brazil and India, but these countries should now be in new company -- a group of dynamic and democratic emerging economies. Let's call them the TIMBIs: Turkey, India, Mexico, Brazil, and Indonesia. These countries form more than just a cute acronym. They all share favorable demographics and democracy and are already large economies. Their GDPs combined have already surpassed that of China and will be much faster growing in the coming decades. Their combination of booming labor forces and political openness points to rapid increases in human capital and innovation that will propel these regional powers into global powers in the near future.

Let's take a look at the numbers. The chart below shows the trends in the population aged 15 to 59 in the countries or regions that make up the world's largest economies, using the United Nations' latest projections of future population growth and examining changes from the base level of 1950 up through 2050. 

Figure 1: Growth in the Labor Force (population aged 15-59), Indexed to 1950 level= 100

The chart shows a clear division in trends from 2010 onward, with the TIMBIs enjoying labor-force growth of 10 to 30 percent from now until 2040. Meanwhile, the labor forces of Russia, Europe, Japan, and South Korea will decline by 10 to 30 percent. The United States will continue to grow from 2010 to 2040, but only by about 11 percent.

It is controversial to suggest that China's enormous growth engine may slow down or stall. Some slowing is inevitable, however. From 1980 to 2010, China's labor force grew an average of 1.7 percent per year, reaping the gains of Mao's pro-natalist policies from the 1960s and 1970s. These gains accounted for about one-fifth of China's annual economic growth in these decades. In the same years, urbanization -- a key source of the increase in productivity of China's labor force, as workers moving from farming to urban manufacturing and services brought huge increases in output per worker -- grew at a rate of 4.3 percent per year, as urbanites went from 20 percent to 45 percent of China's population. Education, yet another key element in increasing productivity, underwent a similarly rapid boom. From 1998 to 2004, total undergraduate enrollment increased from 3.4 million to 13.3 million, an incredible annual increase of 25 percent per year. These trends helped underwrite GDP growth rates of 10 percent per year.

FREDERIC J. BROWN/AFP/Getty Images

 

Jack A. Goldstone is the Hazel professor of public policy at George Mason University and a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. He blogs on global trends at NewPopulationBomb.

10JACOBF

8:51 PM ET

December 2, 2011

Very good read...but

Liked the article very much. It also backs up what I've been hearing for some time now. I have a professor I know who has a Ph.D in Chinese history (1920's - present), speaks Mandarin, and has visited the country numerous times. She's of the opinion that the momentum surging the Chinese economy would "collapse".

BUT....I have to ask: Isn't the graph on page 3 suppose to say "Billions" instead of "(GDP in Millions of Real 2000 U.S. Dollars)"? That would make those future growth rates pretty paltry.

 

THE BIG GUY

5:11 PM ET

December 4, 2011

No. It says in millions of

No. It says in millions of dollars, but if you look at the numbers, they are as follows: 1,000.00, 2,000.00, 3,000.00, etc. That means one thousand million (a billion to the yanks) USD.

 

KHALID MUFTI

3:22 PM ET

December 5, 2011

10JacobF is right, Big Guy

These countries have GDPs in the trillions. So the legend at the bottom should say "billions."

 

P.J. AROON

2:45 PM ET

December 7, 2011

Corrected!

It's "billions."

--FP copy chief

 

BANDUNGBABY

9:15 PM ET

December 2, 2011

What is it with democracy?

Please do explain how democracy is always an advantage. It is more pleasant to live in but does not mean that ideas will not be nourished. Look at what Nazi and Soviet scientists achieved; and not to forget the Chilean miracle under Pinochet. US growth to being a huge economy began and persisted under a profoundly undemocratic system- slavery and then Jim Crow. Argentina had its collapse under a democratic system and look at Greece, Portugal and Italy if you want confirmation of the miraculous power of democracy. The failure of authoritarianism is more due to the fact that dictators or authoritarian regimes are more concerned with retaining power while elected leaders know they will be out one day; one has an incentive to focus on repression at the expense of the economy while the other doesn't have to waste energy and resources on repression. If you had a dictatorship, like South Korea or Singapore for example, with drive and vision then you might actually attain growth and do very well for your country. Democracy is nice (having lived in a semi democracy most of my life with my parents being raised under a dictatorship I know how nice it is), I will grant you that, but it is not the be all and end all.

 

BLACKADDER60

8:21 AM ET

December 3, 2011

How Naive You Are.

Educated people of Importance to the regime in a dictatorship are, by their very nature, few and the rulers can pamper them, while the massess are downtrodden. This is already the case in China. That they arrest some bigmouth, humanities or Social science type is one thing, BUT its the Bussiness/Science/Engineering types thats important for them and these tend to be more conseravtive (dont rock the boat) types. After all they have less to gain and more to loose. Also see how the US itself, though FORMALLY a democracy is actually an oligarchy for the moneyed few is successfully keeping down the masses while providing unprecedented wealth, luxury and comfort for the haves. Finnally when it comes to making ones own fortune, through bussiness and entrepeneurship, China is propably as good as the US. When it comes to corrupt governments and abuse of power there is nothing the Chinese can teach their US counterparts.

 

BLACKADDER60

8:21 AM ET

December 3, 2011

How Naive You Are.

Educated people of Importance to the regime in a dictatorship are, by their very nature, few and the rulers can pamper them, while the massess are downtrodden. This is already the case in China. That they arrest some bigmouth, humanities or Social science type is one thing, BUT its the Bussiness/Science/Engineering types thats important for them and these tend to be more conseravtive (dont rock the boat) types. After all they have less to gain and more to loose. Also see how the US itself, though FORMALLY a democracy is actually an oligarchy for the moneyed few is successfully keeping down the masses while providing unprecedented wealth, luxury and comfort for the haves. Finnally when it comes to making ones own fortune, through bussiness and entrepeneurship, China is propably as good as the US. When it comes to corrupt governments and abuse of power there is nothing the Chinese can teach their US counterparts.

 

BANDUNGBABY

11:44 AM ET

December 3, 2011

Eastern Europe is mostly

Eastern Europe is mostly compsed of democracies, notable exception of Belorussia, so why they are leaving I have no idea... There is also a brain drain from Spain and Portugal, some of the emigrants go to places like Angola which are hardly democratic. People will tend to go where the jobs are and where the pay is highest, thats why so many Europeans go to the middle east or why so many Latin Americans go to the US (they come from democracies, sort of). Most of the great European scientists who went to the US did so because the facilities were better and the pay was higher. During the great depression thousands of American experts went to the USSR because there were jobs there and not at home, they didn't stay but by then the USSR didn't need them anymore. Then there is the fact that many people want to stay in their own countries regardless of its political system because it is their country. And again, why did experts stay in Chile and Argentina and Singapore and South Korean when they were such undemocratic regimes? I'm not arguing against democracy, just pointing out that it is not something we should not be factoring into the rise of a power or an economy; just because the US likes to promote democracy as its own doesn't mean that the rest of the world needs to get on board in order to succeed. It may have advantages but they are not decisive, far more important would be a sense of national purpose.

 

FP KID

1:11 AM ET

December 3, 2011

Acronyms

First BRICS. Then CIVETS, N-11, and EAGLES. Now TIMBIs? Can we stop with the contrived Friedmanesque acronyms already?

 

DELTA22

2:40 AM ET

December 3, 2011

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Okay so Nazi Germany and fascist Japan are gone, the Soviet Union is gone....China won't materialize as a threat, Al-Qaeda is fizzling, and in the long run Iran and North Korea aren't going to last. What then? World peace at last? Us humans, in an interconnected world....us humans, stuck on earth unless we manage to invent faster-than-light travel....us humans, possibly alone in the universe....

 

VICTORIA72

3:43 PM ET

December 5, 2011

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Delta22 - A nice thought, if we could get some of the bigger economies to agree on anything we could be well on our way off this dirtball - unfortunately people still think along border and profit lines not the betterment of our species .

 

NAVANAVONMILITA

4:40 AM ET

December 3, 2011

FP Fumble

If clarity be the judge, FP's most clouded and heavily padded argument over this issue of BRIC(S),South Africa in parenthesis, to RENMINBI, Oops, TIMBI becomes almost like Tea Leaves reading.

FP ain't no clairvoyant. India, shown in pretty pictures, in BRICS and TIMBI is a downright stupid. Statistic lies. It lies even more when presented as a political tool.

I was born in India and migrated to America some forty years ago. Did not miss India's so called miraculous growth, not her population growth, GDP growth. I had a small cheap bag full of outdated, outmoded, personal clothes and fifteen dollars when I landed in Chicago.

That is history. My last job in India, paid me Rs 750.00 a month. My wife earned Rs 500.00 a month. No children no additional expenses of child care and medical care. We were a happy couple.

In the same age group as we were in those good old days, young people have mobile phones and motorbikes. Fancy imported jeans, shoes, watches and cameras. We didn't. My mechanical watch, made in Bangalore India cost me Rs.100.00. Pair of leather, custom made, shoes, cost me Rs16.00. Pair of pants, Rs 20.00, cotton shirt, Rs 15.00. Our grocery bill, per month was Rs 300.00. Entertain, Rs 50.00.

If I were of the same age and back in India, I would need Rs 500,000 monthly to survive. My condominium, one kitchen, one living room, one bedroom and one bathroom cost me Rs 25,000.00 then. Now for the same item I need Rs 2,500,000.00.

$1.00 = Rs 53.00 (today, forty years ago, Rs 3.50)

FP get lost.

...and I am Sid Harth@sidileaks.net

 

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6:33 AM ET

December 3, 2011

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MARTY MARTEL

10:26 AM ET

December 3, 2011

BRICs orTIMBIs, middle kingdom will replace West

With its ever-increasing foreign exchange reserves, China is destined to rule the world atleast in first half of this century.

Witness how Europe is crumbling after China refused to bail it out again.

Next will be the turn of America.

Dollar’s crash is coming - it is only a matter of time, Reagan has ensured that outcome with his tax cut mantra, now so ingrained in American psyche and politics. And with it, the shift of power from West to East.

 

YASIR QUANTUMSEOLABS

4:06 PM ET

December 3, 2011

Turkey as you say is likely

Turkey as you say is likely to be the biggest economy in the world? Check your research it might be a bit outdated as the country is at the verge of bankruptcy and probably giving out bad checks internationally. India may be big on population but that population is no more than land fill with no buying power. The only thing about your acronym is that it might sound cute to you. These countries can build links in trade and economy but will never be able to think big.

 

THOMASPAYNE77

6:39 PM ET

December 3, 2011

metrics

It's an interesting metric to use, analyzing the future potential of a country's growth on labor force. What about the quality of education or abilities of that force? America still has a great labor force but in a down economy doesn't translate to much.

Of course in these countries with huge labor forces there is also US companies hiding from taxes in the states and dying to pay the crazy low wages required of citizens of these other countries. Once their standard of living increases will they too suffer the same fate as the US? Having a large labor force whose minimum wage is still too low for a corporation to make a hefty profit?

In the meantime without innovation, creating products like the iphone or GPS navigation systems or the best dslr for video, companies and products are still operating from an old world mentality. Old manufacturing jobs are going out the window. The focus shouldn't be on the size of the labor force but of the quality of the labor force.

 

GRANT

6:46 PM ET

December 3, 2011

This presumes that all the

This presumes that all the nations mentioned will be able to sustain this growth, which isn't certain. Ecological disasters, increasing corruption, warfare and insurgencies and any other unknown factors could greatly skew it. Besides that, even if we do agree with this (and I am still uncertain about it) one has to ask whether or not it matters. We have no reason to think that these states will consistently coordinate with each other on international political and economic affairs. Without that it's simply a list of nations that might be wise to invest in. Useful to be sure, but not really worth an acronym in my opinion.

 

DANNO52000

9:31 PM ET

December 3, 2011

Communist government will be tough to control...

China's biggest threat is social instability internally...especially as their "middle class" begins to emerge and demand a higher quality of life, a government that is used to controlling a downtrodden populace will have a tough go of it. dividend aristocrats

 

BILL BEGALLY

12:25 AM ET

December 4, 2011

Very Enlightening

I have found this article to be very enlightening indeed. I had come to the conclusion that China would be the main contender within the emerging race to take the global economic lead. I had never even considered the TIMBIs but after reading this article and upon further reflection it is quite evident that these countries will have the upper hand. Paint Zoom

 

MAVEE22

1:50 AM ET

December 4, 2011

So informative!

While I was running on one of my treadmills with TV, I saw in the news about the growth of labor force in various countries. The data presented in this article sums it all up.

 

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6:12 PM ET

December 4, 2011

Excellent read

This was a really good article. Honestly I was totally unaware of the rise of "TIMBI". I've always thought that China would be the main contender.

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RNRJVJ

8:43 PM ET

December 4, 2011

Its great to see..

its great to see countries like Brazil and Indian rising to power burnham boilers

 

FLOATINGPOINT

10:51 PM ET

December 4, 2011

It's good to have many countries uprising

However, the author's reasoning on China's demise is quite simplistic.

He says the labor force growth (or rather decline) will hurt China. But at the same time, he admits that many college graduates have hard time to find a decent job. The way I see it, it means that though GDP number will not be as high as one is pleased to see, but the working environment and average earning will improve for the workers at a much faster pace as long as the labor force decline continues.

He also uses an IBM report which cites from a world economic forum report on information technology to "demonstrate" that China is lagging behind in innovation. Well, I am not saying that China is leading. but the evidences he exhibited is really weak. The specific index he cites is "Availability of latest technologies". Consider that US and EU still block selling the most advanced technologies to China, what do you expect? Besides, if China is really lousy at getting the best technologies, why people keep complaining the piracy problem?

 

GJY2105

6:43 PM ET

December 6, 2011

The core of his thinking, if

The core of his thinking, if you read between the lines and google his CV/bio (he's a Georgetown professor), is that democracy is in and of itself the superior (and the only viable) system. How could it not be if the West invented it? A lot of his support is weak and just seems to be duct-taped together in order to defend his political agenda. He talks about TIMBI's demographics but doesn't acknowledge the limitation in scale of his TIMBI, and appears to ignore PPP GDP figures and nominal GDP projections from highly reputable sources. The biggest player in his TIMBI is India, but he doesn't acknowledge that India's positive demographics are only a boon if they can employ and/or educate them (otherwise it's just a huge burden). They've already shown that they are far less capable of that than China. Whatever China's problems with rural poor and water access, India's are far worse as well. Don't forget that India is downstream in that regard..

 

GJY2105

11:25 PM ET

December 6, 2011

Jack A. Goldstone's logic is

Jack A. Goldstone's logic is deeply flawed because of his false basal assumptions. The so-called TIMBI economies have not surpassed China's economy in aggregate size. Rather, they have always been larger, but the trend line is moving in the exact opposite direction of his conclusion. 30 years ago the combined TIMBI economies were nearly 4 times that of China's. This year, the margin of difference is just a few percent. Next year, China's economy will be larger than all of them combined.

 

STAVIE33

1:40 AM ET

December 10, 2011

His logic is flawed? You

His logic is flawed? You state based on 30 years ago China was lower than the combined TIMBI's, now it's very close. China's rise has been recent, mainly 20-15 years ago, and hit it's peak recently and is currently on the decline. If it went higher and is now going down, and crossing paths with the TIMBI's as they go up, that also describes your statement. Instead of just using numbers and trends that pretty much defend Goldstone's argument, maybe you should use some of the factors that equate to economic growth and decline and how those factors are occurring in these countries, especially China. If you're right, it's better for me and will save me a lot of money and effort, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem China will remain at the summit for much longer...

 

CRISTHOMAS1063

8:38 AM ET

December 9, 2011

India's Outsourcing Industry Made the Difference

I think the outsourcing industry of India made the difference. They were able to attract investors to outsource their processes in India since the people here can speak English. While China is still lagging behind in terms of English communication. It will soon be like India as the master of tennis serve trying to teach China how to do it. Looking forward to see what will happen in the next decade.

 

STAVIE33

1:34 AM ET

December 10, 2011

China on the decline

I've been reading a lot of the comments and responses, and there is obviously discrepancy in this article as any, but some of these comments are ridiculous. Obviously this isn't meant to be a for sure statement, no one knows what will happen in the future, this is all based off the best predictions we can some up with current facts and numbers. Saying that, all the people in denial about China on the decline thinking India's worse off, etc, really haven't been researching much. For the last five years China has been on the decline, and I met dozens of well known Chinese sociologists and scholars working for the Chinese government and just ordinary scholars/professor with my time over there who for years have predicted due to government regulations and one child birth laws among other things would lead to a major decline in China in subsequent years. The evidence is all over. Also, having met Jack Goldstone personally, to say he just gets his information by numbers and is gauging it inaccurately is a false assumption, her recently spent four months total in China this year, visisted the middle east, many parts of Europe, and Indo China peninsula to do research and get information on the countries economic situations first hand, instead of just going with numbers and reports that many who have never visited the country use. I've been learning Chinese for a few years now because thought it would be best for my future with it's growing economy and my field of work. When I stayed in China however it started becoming quite evident more than 2 years ago that economic trends were shifting away from it being a major superpower that we all thought it would be. If you think China will be ahead of India in the following decades for any reason, you are very mistaken. Also, about education in India, an unbelievable number of native Indians and Middle Easterners have been coming to the US in large numbers for high quality science and technology education and then returning to India. The majority of the education of the people that will lead Indias growing economy is actually happening right here.

 

MESSYBUZZCUT

11:30 PM ET

December 10, 2011

Poland

I think you should amend this to TIMBIP, the P being Poland. Poland has a democratic government and a skyrocketing economy with a GDP growth of 3.8% per year. Poland has a low deficit, small unemployment compared to the rest of the TIMBIs, and an advanced "post-industrial" economy centered around industry. Sure, Poland ain't going to become a superpower anytime soon, at least partially because they don't really care much for dominating in international relations and because Poland is significantly smaller than the other countries on this list (save Turkey).
So why is Poland excluded?

 

YARINSIZ

6:18 PM ET

December 31, 2011

We have no reason to think

We have no reason to think that these states will consistently coordinate with each other on seslichat international political and economic affairs. Without that it's simply a list of nations that might be wise to invest in. Useful to be sure, but not really worth an acronym in my opinion.

 

HECTORGREG11

1:56 AM ET

January 6, 2012

This will change in 5 years anyway

The world is hard to predict because it changes so quickly these days. China was unstoppable 5 years ago and now it is starting to slip. This is the way of the world...dominance can not be sustained forever, because of the ebb and flow of the world. Everything is cyclical, and because of this it is too hard predict things like this, but it does make for some good reading in my austin apartments, but in the end it is all speculative and nothing ever was or will be certain in the day and age of the instant information. I will just call on my florida collection agency to make things right in the world again.