What Turkey Can Teach Egypt

Can Egypt’s powerful, secular military take a page from Ankara and learn to get along with the country’s new Islamic parties?

BY TOM HUNDLEY | DECEMBER 14, 2011

In this year of upheaval in the Middle East, a barely mentioned story may mark one of the most important developments in the region.

In July, the Turkish army's top four generals resigned in what critics say was a misbegotten attempt to trigger a national crisis. The generals, led by Chief of Staff Isik Kosaner, seemed to be hoping that their dramatic departure would topple the country's moderate Islamist government and restore the military's primacy in Turkish politics.

The story is what didn't happen next. The generals' resignation briefly roiled the waters of Turkish politics, but failed to overturn the civilian government. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan quickly reasserted control over the military brass, replacing Kosaner with a general of his own choosing. He then convened a meeting of the Senior Military Council, a high-level assembly usually co-chaired by the prime minister and the chief of staff. This time, however, Erdogan sat alone at the head of the table -- sending a clear signal that the civilians were now in charge.

The generals took a reckless gamble with the country's stability, but fortunately for the Middle East's largest and most successful democracy, they lost their bet. Instead of the expected crisis, the Turkish nation quietly bid farewell to 88 years of Kemalism -- the founding ideal that put Turkey on the path of modernization and secularism -- and the notion that the generals always know best.

While vivid scenes of the Arab Spring were becoming YouTube staples across the world, Turkey's ability to overcome this crisis in civil-military relations carries important implications for the entire region. The parallels are striking and the lessons instructive for Egypt, in particular, especially after the Muslim Brotherhood's victory in the first round of Egypt's parliamentary elections.

Both Egypt and Turkey have long histories of domination by their military establishments, which in both cases have been the benefactors of generous U.S. support. Since the founding of the modern Turkish republic in 1923, the army has staged four coups, and up until 1989 all but one of Turkey's presidents had come from a military background. In Egypt, the military has been in continuous control since 1952, when Gamal Abdel Nasser led a coup against the monarchy.

When the crowds in Cairo's Tahrir Square demanded the ouster of Hosni Mubarak, himself a former Air Force commander, it was the senior Egyptian military command that told him it was time to go -- and then quietly seized power for itself. The so-called Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, headed by Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, promised to step aside once a new civilian leadership had established itself, but now seems intent on retaining the privileges it enjoyed during the Mubarak era.

For Turkey, loosening the generals' grip has been a long and fraught process. The civilians only began to gain an upper hand with the rise of Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (AKP) -- an offshoot of a banned, avowedly Islamist party that was nevertheless committed to bringing Turkey into the 21st century. The AKP quickly proved successful at maintaining its pious roots while also being democratic, open to the West, and -- as it would turn out -- surprisingly good at running the economy.

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Tom Hundley is senior editor at the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting. His travel to Turkey was funded, in part, by the Rumi Forum.

 

BSD

9:16 PM ET

December 14, 2011

What I can Teach Mr. Hundley

Dear Mr. HUndley,

I read your article and i am really amused to find out that a person can graduate from Georgetown and Penn and work as a journalist for 36 years and still preserve that naive essence that makes you so "special". Its either that or you are....well lets not go there.

Lets get to business...

"The civilians only began to gain an upper hand with the rise of Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (AKP) -- an offshoot of a banned, avowedly Islamist party that was nevertheless committed to bringing Turkey into the 21st century"

Seriously? AKPs never been about 21st century. Their roots were extremely islamist. Mr. Erdo?an often gave speechs about abolishing the current state system and establishing Seriat. They were the guys who burned books and flags in front of the mosques every friday. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIX0DFmB8-E)

F?nd your self a translator and get your facts right.

"The AKP quickly proved successful at maintaining its pious roots while also being democratic, open to the West, and -- as it would turn out -- surprisingly good at running the economy."

This is hilarious...Mr Hundrey, either you skipped all the Econ classes at Georgetown or your grasp of the obvious is very, very poor. Turkey' s 2002 internal debt was 129.5 bilion USD. 2002 is the year AKP won the elections. In 9 years they managed to make it 273 billion USD. The tales that AKP come up with about the growth in GDP are as hilarious as your naive analysis of Turkey' s economy. (http://www.ulusalkanal.com.tr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17065:akpnn-ekonomk-bueyueme-masali&catid=70:haluk-dural)

F?nd a translator and a person who "does" know economy to understand whats really going on.

"But the generals remained unhappy. By early 2003, senior military officers and others who belonged to what Turks refer to as the "deep state" -- a term used to describe members of the military and other establishment figures who believed they could act outside the law to protect the status quo -- were allegedly busy plotting a coup. According to Markar Esayan, a journalist for Taraf newspaper, their plan was to create a crisis by bombing mosques, assassinating the Armenian patriarch, and shooting down a Turkish plane and blaming it on Greece -- a 2009 plot, code-named "Sledgehammer.""

Oh, how lovely. Your source is Taraf newspaper, the laughing stock of the disinformation society. The circus of a newspaper full of pro AKP and pro PKK clowns. The ERGENEKON scheme that was tailored by AKP and their foreign bosses is losing its effect and a great part of Turkish people don't support this crusade against their army. After the last PKK attacks even AKP supporters started to doubt the merits of Erdo?ans actions against the army.

"In June's general election, Erdogan's party easily won a third term with nearly 50 percent of the vote, almost doubling the total of Republican People's Party (CHP), its closest rival."

Wrong again...AKP lost a lot of blood since their first win in 2002. In 2002 AKPs number in TBMM was 365, in the last election it went down to 336. Also there is a strong public opinion in Turkey that claims the election results were rigged by AKP. AKP would have winned anyway, but with %35-36.

"Erdogan's success has not gone unnoticed in the Middle East. On a September state visit to Egypt, the Turkish prime minister received a rock star welcome. This was partially explained by his sharp criticism of Israel's blockade of Gaza and the expansion of Jewish settlements on the West Bank, but mainly it is because Egyptians and other Arabs appreciate that Turkey under Erdogan is both democratic and comfortable in its Islamic identity. The Turkish leader appeals because he is religious, but not a demagogue -- because he is open to the West, but not submissive or servile."

Wrong, funny. Erdo?an went to middle-east and talked about secularism (funny world eh?). Arabs hated that. Erdo?an is the prince charming of the foreign tailored Middle East project who governs a secular and a so-called democratic state full of muslims who drink a lot of Rak?. Arabs wanted to hear about Muslims killing jews and avenge their martyr brothers. Erdo?an gave them a speech about the merits of secularism. He performed poorly and lost a big deal of his flock there.

Here, read this one, ("http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/08/31/turkey_s_silent_crisis?page=0,2")
and please do your due diligence next time. Be better than those Taraf clowns.

 

CERIAN

6:05 AM ET

December 15, 2011

"Seriously? AKPs never been

"Seriously? AKPs never been about 21st century. Their roots were extremely islamist. Mr. Erdo?an often gave speechs about abolishing the current state system and establishing Seriat. They were the guys who burned books and flags in front of the mosques every friday. "

People do change. That's why AKP has been established by those who broke away from traditionalist party. Also, AKP is center right party, if it were the same as other Islamist parties before, they wouldn't get so much vote in election after election.

"Turkey' s 2002 internal debt was 129.5 bilion USD. 2002 is the year AKP won the elections. In 9 years they managed to make it 273 billion USD. The tales that AKP come up with about the growth in GDP are as hilarious as your naive analysis of Turkey' s economy. "

I'm pretty sure author of this article knows that debt increase must always be observed by in coordination with GDP growth. In this case, Turkish economy quadrupled over 9 years. So its expected that total debt will have to rise with growth. In the Turkish case, debt had risen but its percentage in GDP had fallen compared to pre-AKP era.

"Oh, how lovely. Your source is Taraf newspaper, the laughing stock of the disinformation society. The circus of a newspaper full of pro AKP and pro PKK clowns. The ERGENEKON scheme that was tailored by AKP and their foreign bosses is losing its effect and a great part of Turkish people don't support this crusade against their army. After the last PKK attacks even AKP supporters started to doubt the merits of Erdo?ans actions against the army."

So how come pro-AKP clown, as you claim, such as, director of Taraf newspaper, can easily get into judicial trouble with Erdogan?

"Wrong again...AKP lost a lot of blood since their first win in 2002. In 2002 AKPs number in TBMM was 365, in the last election it went down to 336. Also there is a strong public opinion in Turkey that claims the election results were rigged by AKP. AKP would have winned anyway, but with %35-36."

Due to weirdness of Turkish electoral system, with the help of 10% threshold in general elections, AKP has increased its vote percentage in every election but lost some parliamentary seats along the way. About the election fraud accusation, no, no such a thing happened. Even main opposition party leader Mr.Kilicdaroglu didn't say anything about it, which in itself tells us something.

 

BSD

7:17 AM ET

December 15, 2011

oh?

People do change. That's why AKP has been established by those who broke away from traditionalist party. Also, AKP is center right party, if it were the same as other Islamist parties before, they wouldn't get so much vote in election after election.

A flock like that? no, they dont. The only thing they did change was their approach. Instead of the militant ways they favored before they dug into democracy and used their network to move upwards in the system. U.S. needed a secular islamic state which stood between the western life style and eastern values in the middle-east to use as a role model so they gave Erdo?an and Gul the means and the power to come this far. They took their revenge from the Kemalist army by arresting them and pacifying TSK. But now it is pay back time and Erdo?an is stuck between Turkish people and the demands of US. He is losing his grip and his control over his party. (last events related with the frauds in soccer and aziz y?ld?r?m ...)
"So how come pro-AKP clown, as you claim, such as, director of Taraf newspaper, can easily get into judicial trouble with Erdogan?"
http://www.taraf.com.tr/ahmet-altan/makale-erdogan-i-simdi-destekleyin.htm
Read this article written by the director of Taraf. The article is like a loveletter to Erdo?an.
I did not write pro- Erdo?an btw, i wrote pro-AKP. AKP has a mission to crack and destroy Turkish national values and Kemalist doctrine and legitimize PKK . Ahmet Altan attacked Erdo?an when he acted despite these "ideals". Erdo?an did this to gain right wing votes that were MHP' s. Altan did not like this, since he is a big time supporter of PKK. Now, since the elections are gone Erdo?an and him are like butter and bread.

About the election fraud accusation, no, no such a thing happened. Even main opposition party leader Mr.Kilicdaroglu didn't say anything about it, which in itself tells us something.

Kemal Kilicdaro?lu is a dummy and everybody knows that. He is the Kurdish Card CHP had to play to steal votes from AKP. The election fraud is as real as the university entrance exam fraud.

 

CERIAN

3:21 PM ET

December 15, 2011

"He is losing his grip and

"He is losing his grip and his control over his party. (last events related with the frauds in soccer and aziz y?ld?r?m ...)"

From the looks of it you seem to be following this debacle but whats amazing is after everything got concluded you have reached that conclusion of yours whereas others clearly think different than you.

"did not write pro- Erdo?an btw, i wrote pro-AKP. AKP has a mission to crack and destroy Turkish national values and Kemalist doctrine and legitimize PKK"

Majority of Turkish voters are against so called Kemalist doctrine so, its understandable that AKP pursue policies thats against core Kemalist beliefs and because of these policies voters reward AKP in every elections.

"Kemal Kilicdaro?lu is a dummy and everybody knows that. He is the Kurdish Card CHP had to play to steal votes from AKP. The election fraud is as real as the university entrance exam fraud."

I won't diverge into personality or responsibility of Mr.Kilicdaroglu but your accusations is out of touch with reality.

 

BSD

7:09 AM ET

December 16, 2011

....

Majority of Turkish voters are against so called Kemalist doctrine so, its understandable that AKP pursue policies thats against core Kemalist beliefs and because of these policies voters reward AKP in every elections.

That "so called Kemalist Doctrin" is the set of ideals that this country was founded upon. It was that set of ideals that gave people freedom of speech, vote rights for women and education for everyone. It ?s that set of ideals that scares the shit out of AKP crowd because they are the grandsons of islamic movements that expolited Turkish people for decades which were declared illegal after the founding of Republic of Turkey. Those movement leaders like Fettullah Gulen (whose movement also paid for expenses for this article written by Mr. Hndley) supported AKP and in return AKP always favored people from these backgrounds and filled the state bureucracy with their men. Most of these men are corrupt and not fit for state duty.

Many Turkish people do not vote for AKP because they pursue policies that go against Kemalist Doctrine. They vote for AKP simply because after decades of coalition govenrments those did not work and maintain stability, Erdo?an' s one man show supported by USA and Arab cash seemed like a good choice. But then came the Kurdish Opening which turned out to be disaster, the scandals, the corruption...

I dont know which country you live in but you really dont have a decent understanding of Turkish politics.

 

ARCONDICIONADO11

10:00 PM ET

December 14, 2011

" Times "

Yea ! " Not many people would say what you’ve said and still make it interesting...." Can’t wait to see more of this from you.
Sharda. Thanks !

 

ASLIUMUR

4:09 AM ET

December 15, 2011

partly paid by AKP

Tom Hundley is senior editor at the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting. His travel to Turkey was funded, in part, by the Rumi Forum.

A trip to Turkey, sponsored by the Washington based Rumi Forum founded by Gulen mouvement, which has close connections with AKP.

The objectivity of your article is very questionable!

Shame on you!!!!!

 

KAYA

3:45 PM ET

December 15, 2011

Leave aside having a debate

Leave aside having a debate on "objectivity" in the blogsphere or appreciating Hundley's acknowledgment for the source of his visit to Turkey (which many scholars or journalists would not divulge), but what do you point in his opinion piece that lacks "objectivity"? Is shaming people who thinks different than you do this easy to you? Sad.

 

TALHABUTT

11:08 AM ET

December 15, 2011

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TALHAJUTT

11:29 AM ET

December 15, 2011

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JACKIESTRONGER

12:56 AM ET

December 16, 2011

Paradox

Egypt and Turkey are two very similar countries which are very different. We need to be mindful that we may more not agree with a country however they should be allowed to govern in a way which treats all mankind with respect. maadi messenger

 

LEVANTEN

10:58 AM ET

December 28, 2011

egypt and turkey?

here there is a nice article which explains why egypt is not turkey. interesting

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/02/20/egypt-isn-t-turkey.html

 

FFBBFFGMAIL

9:11 PM ET

January 6, 2012

Is losing his grip and

From the looks of it you seem to be following this debacle but whats amazing is after everything got concluded you have reached that conclusion of yours whereas others clearly think different than you. Majority of Turkish voters are against so called Kemalist doctrine so, its understandable that AKP pursue policies thats against core Kemalist beliefs and because of these policies voters reward AKP in every elections. saude aeronaves

 

YARINSIZ

1:26 AM ET

January 10, 2012

Egypt, officially the Arab

Egypt, officially the Arab Republic of Egypt, is a country in North Africa that includes the Sinai Peninsula, a land bridge to Asia. Covering an area of about 1,001,450 square kilometers (386,560 square miles), Egypt borders Libya to the west, Sudan to the south, and Israel and the Gaza Strip to the northeast; on the north and the east are the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea, respectively.
Egypt is the fifteenth most populous country in the world. seslichat The vast majority of its 78.8 million population (2006) live near the banks of the Nile River (about 40,000 km* or 15,450 sq miles) where the only arable agricultural land is found. Large areas of land form part of the Sahara Desert and are sparsely inhabited. Around half of Egypt's residents live in urban areas, with the majority spread across the densely populated centers of greater Cairo (the largest city in Africa and the Middle East), Alexandria and other major towns in the Nile Delta.

 

ELEANORRALBER

7:38 PM ET

January 11, 2012

Indictment of coup generals

In the looks from it material be after this debacle but whats amazing is after everything got concluded you've reached that conclusion of yours whereas others clearly think diverse from you.

The generals seized power after many years of political unrest, which in fact had claimed countless lives. Prosecutors now say a lot of that unrest was incited through the army itself being an excuse to consider power underneath the pretext of restoring order. Time of military rule saw 50 people executed and thousands and thousands more detained - a lot of whom were tortured. One of these was Defne Sandalye, who told Deutsche Welle his story.

 

DOMINOES

10:07 PM ET

January 13, 2012

power struggles

The thing that I can't stand about politics especially in less democratic governments is the amount of power struggles that go on and how shallow all of the politics are. These countries are run by a few powerful men and they make all of the shots and do not care how they remain in power, whether it means setting up a puppet of a govt or some leader that they can control like the turkish govt. All in all, I think it is possible to write an exciting story, but nothing happened and it seems like the Arab spring is slowing down, apartments austin tx, so all we can do is hope that this push for freedom and democracy will carry on, but the longer that the powers that be remain in power, the harder it will be for the common man to over turn the govt in control. These govts, especially Syria's can just wear their citizens down until they have no fight left. Sad but true.