The Price of 'Victory'

The war in Iraq is over … just not for the Iraqis.

BY MOHAMMED AL-DIYALI | DECEMBER 30, 2011

I am an Iraqi. I live in the United States, where, if all goes well, I will soon become a citizen. So it is with decidedly mixed emotions that I've followed the U.S. troop withdrawal from my home country, and the media coverage of what is described here as "the end of the war in Iraq." The war might be ending for the Americans, but for the Iraqis it continues. I worry that it may get worse.

When I look back on the past nine years, I can't help but think of the dozens of friends and relatives who have been killed or wounded in the chaos that followed the U.S. invasion in the spring of 2003. The one that stands out most vividly is my nephew Iyad. Five years my junior, Iyad grew up in our home. He was as close to me as one of my own brothers. But then, one day in the spring of 2006, he was just about to leave his job in a warehouse in southwest Baghdad when a mortar shell came crashing through the roof and exploded inside, killing him and several of his co-workers.

We found what was left of him the next day. His skull had been crushed, his body shredded to pieces. He was 25 years old. We never learned who fired the shell, or why. It probably came from one of the rampaging sectarian militias that were tearing Iraq apart at the time. The only thing that could be established with certainty was that the warehouse was not the intended target. Like so many of the deaths in Iraq over the past nine years, Iyad's was entirely random. It was just part of the chaos that has reigned in the country for years and shows little sign of stopping.

After all these years, there's still this one thing that I can't quite understand. How could the same people who put the first man on the moon -- people who are so intelligent, so good at politics, so important in international affairs -- have made the mistake of invading Iraq? I can imagine two third-world countries deciding to go to war with each other and failing to plan ahead. But the Americans? Americans are good at business, aren't they? Normally, people in business would do a feasibility study. You'd think that you'd do that too before invading an entire country. You should make sure you have the right tools, alternative courses of action, back-up plans. But that didn't happen. There was no plan at all, as far as we could see. They should have been able to see, in a country with so many sectarian and ethnic divides, what would happen. But they didn't. They didn't understand anything.

I once had a physiology professor who told us something I've never forgotten: "Never change what is functionally acceptable." His saying has come back to me so many times over the years. Don't get me wrong: There were a lot of bad things under Saddam. There were massacres, there were abuses. But it was more complicated than that. Iraq had an education system that was the envy of the Middle East; people came from other Arab countries, like Jordan, to study there. Iraq had high literacy and good health care. There was a campaign that stamped out polio. Today, almost nine years after the invasion, my parents in Baghdad still don't have regular electricity. The hospitals and the schools have fallen apart. The infrastructure is crumbling.

Lucas Jackson-Pool/Getty Images

 SUBJECTS: IRAQ, MIDDLE EAST
 

Mohammed al-Diyali is the pseudonym of an Iraqi who worked for an American organization in Baghdad following the 2003 invasion. He is now living in the United States, where he hopes to resume his medical career.

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MICHELLE SUMMERS

3:27 PM ET

December 30, 2011

Victory, but only for Bush

Great perspective on Iraq and the war Mohammed... I have spent a fair amount of time conducting personal coaching and counselling sessions for trauma and war victims in the Middle East after the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt. The impact of the war is far-reaching - not only in terms of the sense of loss and grief, but also general morale and sense of hope for the future.

To your point about the decision to invade Iraq - as you quite rightly allude in your analysis, that the decision was NOT based on any feasibility study - emotion, politics (and potential oil windfall) ruled the day. Even the American public felt that way.. too bad the leadership did not.

 

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TADAS2

5:28 PM ET

December 30, 2011

Some of those warriors were

Some of those warriors were merely “targets in uniform,” one poet writes. But in some of the pieces in this book, a few service members demonstrate that they themselves can hit a bull’s-eye. Former Marine Evan R. Moodie offers this personal memory of two never-ending deaths:

“there is this ball of fire that is constantly on my mind

“one that sneaks up on me any hour of the day

“an enormous explosion that ended the lives of two marines.

 

JIVATMANX

6:21 PM ET

December 30, 2011

The reasons given for

The reasons given for invading Iraq were:

1. Saddam helped do 9/11
2. Saddam had WMD

Only when these failed was democracy given as a reason.

In any case, It took Europe hundreds of years, and historically, most of their wars, to come to terms with the Catholic/Protestant divide.

America was not going to fix the Sunni/Shia divide, especially when the reasons for entering the war had to do with oil, strategic positioning, and Israel.

 

PFNOVAK

2:15 AM ET

December 31, 2011

You're right on all that.

You're right on all that. Except I think it had more to do with Saudi Arabia then Israel. Dick Cheney promised someone in the Saudi Royal family (either Nayef or Abdullah, can't remember) during the 2000 campaign that Saddam would be "toast" if Bush won.

After the first Gulf War, Saddam wasn't about to risk further conflict with the US and he certainly realized that any military action towards Israel would bring that about. Yes, he was funneling money to Palestinian resistance movements, but so was every country in the Middle East including key US allies in the gulf.

 

LULU XINGWANI

4:22 AM ET

December 31, 2011

Exactly

If you look at an analysis of US military intervention, the reasons have hardly been consistent. If promoting democracy was really an agenda item, the US would have invaded Zimbabwe a long time ago. Post-action justification is what it is.

 

JAGOSTAG

12:46 PM ET

January 5, 2012

Faulty Reasoning

As a staunch republican and someone who is pro-Bush, it pains me to point this out, but those were (and still are) faulty reasons for going to war.

There is no hard evidence that Saddam actually had WMD's capable of being a threat (to anyone), or evidence that he helped do 9-11.

Look at Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies. For all its anti-GOP/Bush rhetoric, it does actually provide a good look at the *actual* evidence and justification for the war.

 

PULLER58

8:12 PM ET

December 30, 2011

Fear and loathing in DC

To this day, the media continues to give George W. Bush a pass on Iraq. Very few mainstream media outlets will seriously look at why Bush led the US into Iraq. Of course turning over rocks will only rattle the Establishment in DC where they prefer to dwell on other matters that would not endanger the status quo. What is amusing is that Ron Paul's candidacy poses no threat to the GOP in terms of him winning the White House, but his stance on foreign policy absolutely terrifies the neocons who backed Bush's military adventure. The Iraqis did indeed pay and will pay a terrible price for this folly. Pity nothing will change over this...

 

PFNOVAK

2:22 AM ET

December 31, 2011

I think the media, including

I think the media, including most conservative outlets, turned definitively against the war in 06/07 (talk about leading from behind!). Obviously that doesn't excuse the lack of journalistic responsibility in the lead-up to the war.

As for nothing ever changing, that has less to do with the Washington establishment and more to do with the inconvenient fact that the Iraq war, disastrous as it was, didn't really affect the majority of the voting public. Military service participation is lower than ever, none of the negative policy consequences washed up on our shores (or haven't yet, anyway) and the economic consequences of the war were not nearly as severe as some would have you believe. As you said, it's really the Iraqis who will pay the cost of the war. That's why it won't change anything.

 

MAHRUKINAM

10:23 AM ET

December 31, 2011

Victory can not be win by

Victory can not be win by using force :(

 

ARMYSKOON

10:23 AM ET

December 31, 2011

Different perspectives

I will not and cannot argue withe author's perspective. But I will say that depending on who you speak with in Iraq you will find differing views on the war. I was part of the last troops to spend an entire 12 months in Iraq. Our unit left in Sept of 2011. During this time me and my platoon worked with Iraqi and Kurdish forces on a combined checkpoint east of Mosul. Most of the Iraqi security Forces were Kurds as well. Almost to a man, these soldiers said that they supported the invasion and supported US troops remaining in their country. The Christian communities we protected during our tour supported the continued presence of US troops as well.

Right or wrong and the reasons given for the invasion are rearview mirror arguments. They can be argued and debated and learned from but they cannot be changed. What matters now is what happens going forward.

 

LITTLEMANTATE

2:47 PM ET

January 2, 2012

Supporting a continued occupation and the original

invasion are two different things. Of course the Kurds would support both, the first got rid of a tribal enemy, the next insures a strong alliance with a little gravy train infrastructure spending. That doesn't make Kurdistan a bastion of liberal democracy, the creation of which was the tertiary justification for this war.

The Iraq invasion has proven and will continue to prove disastrous for the Christians and Mandeans, the US being on an anti religious minority role, we'll make sure that the Syrian Christians and Allawites get a good taste of freedom.

The final sentence is true, the only problem is "going forward" in US political speak means not holding senior American officials responsible for anything. Gross malfeasance is explained away with passive statements such as "mistakes were made," and blame is dissipated, excepting some low level scapegoats like Lyndie England her pals. There is some tut-tuting in the court of public opinion, but nothing more serious. The proper lessons from Iraq remain unlearned, because to truly understand the monumental stupidity of that war would require the kind of soul-searching our nation runs from.

 

NUSRATENASEEM

10:58 AM ET

December 31, 2011

The game, played 80 years ago

The game, played 80 years ago before a standing-room-only crowd at Pittsburgh’s Forbes Field, is legendary. It stands as not only the greatest victory in school history, but also one of the biggest upsets in all of college football. ESPN includes the game in its television special called “Greatest College Football Upsets.”

On paper, the Tartans didn’t have much of a chance that snowy, cold, and gray November afternoon. Notre Dame came to Pittsburgh undefeated and with a super-stingy defense that had not yielded a single point in eight games. A national championship seemed to be well in hand with only two games remaining, Tech and Southern Cal. Conversely, Tech, which had fallen to Notre Dame the previous four years in a row by a combined score of 111-19, brought a 6-2 mark into its final contest of the season.

Notre Dame was such the heavy favorite that rumors flowed out of South Bend that Head Coach Knute Rockne planned to leave the first-string at home to rest for Southern Cal.

“We are pointing for your game Saturday and will give you all we have,” wrote Rockne in a telegram to Carnegie Tech Athletic Director Clarence “Buddy” Overend in an effort to dispel the rumor.

The record shows that Notre Dame’s first team did make the trip, but Rockne chose to stay in Chicago to attend the Army-Navy game at Soldier Field, and left the team in the hands of his top assistants. It was a move he would regret.

The teams played to a scoreless standstill in the opening quarter as Notre Dame predictably employed their “shock troops” to begin the contest. The Irish plan was to use their second team to build the confidence of its opponent before rushing their top 11 on the field for the kill. The plan backfired as Tech toyed with the Notre Dame backups before shocking their first team in the second frame.

Touchdown runs by Bill Donohoe and C.J. Letzelter gave the Tartans a 13-0 halftime lead, and two drop-kick field goals of 32 and 45 yards by Quarterback Howard Harpster ended the scoring. Tech drove the final stake into Notre Dame with a fourth-quarter goal-line stand led by Lloyd “The Plaid Bull” Yoder. Harpster and Yoder later became Tech’s first two football All-Americans and were inducted into the National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame. The game, played 80 years ago before a standing-room-only crowd at Pittsburgh’s Forbes Field, is legendary. It stands as not only the greatest victory in school history, but also one of the biggest upsets in all of college football. ESPN includes the game in its television special called “Greatest College Football Upsets.”

On paper, the Tartans didn’t have much of a chance that snowy, cold, and gray November afternoon. Notre Dame came to Pittsburgh undefeated and with a super-stingy defense that had not yielded a single point in eight games. A national championship seemed to be well in hand with only two games remaining, Tech and Southern Cal. Conversely, Tech, which had fallen to Notre Dame the previous four years in a row by a combined score of 111-19, brought a 6-2 mark into its final contest of the season.

Notre Dame was such the heavy favorite that rumors flowed out of South Bend that Head Coach Knute Rockne planned to leave the first-string at home to rest for Southern Cal.

“We are pointing for your game Saturday and will give you all we have,” wrote Rockne in a telegram to Carnegie Tech Athletic Director Clarence “Buddy” Overend in an effort to dispel the rumor.

The record shows that Notre Dame’s first team did make the trip, but Rockne chose to stay in Chicago to attend the Army-Navy game at Soldier Field, and left the team in the hands of his top assistants. It was a move he would regret.

The teams played to a scoreless standstill in the opening quarter as Notre Dame predictably employed their “shock troops” to begin the contest. The Irish plan was to use their second team to build the confidence of its opponent before rushing their top 11 on the field for the kill. The plan backfired as Tech toyed with the Notre Dame backups before shocking their first team in the second frame.

Touchdown runs by Bill Donohoe and C.J. Letzelter gave the Tartans a 13-0 halftime lead, and two drop-kick field goals of 32 and 45 yards by Quarterback Howard Harpster ended the scoring. Tech drove the final stake into Notre Dame with a fourth-quarter goal-line stand led by Lloyd “The Plaid Bull” Yoder. Harpster and Yoder later became Tech’s first two football All-Americans and were inducted into the National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame. The game, played 80 years ago before a standing-room-only crowd at Pittsburgh’s Forbes Field, is legendary. It stands as not only the greatest victory in school history, but also one of the biggest upsets in all of college football. ESPN includes the game in its television special called “Greatest College Football Upsets.”

On paper, the Tartans didn’t have much of a chance that snowy, cold, and gray November afternoon. Notre Dame came to Pittsburgh undefeated and with a super-stingy defense that had not yielded a single point in eight games. A national championship seemed to be well in hand with only two games remaining, Tech and Southern Cal. Conversely, Tech, which had fallen to Notre Dame the previous four years in a row by a combined score of 111-19, brought a 6-2 mark into its final contest of the season.

Notre Dame was such the heavy favorite that rumors flowed out of South Bend that Head Coach Knute Rockne planned to leave the first-string at home to rest for Southern Cal.

“We are pointing for your game Saturday and will give you all we have,” wrote Rockne in a telegram to Carnegie Tech Athletic Director Clarence “Buddy” Overend in an effort to dispel the rumor.

The record shows that Notre Dame’s first team did make the trip, but Rockne chose to stay in Chicago to attend the Army-Navy game at Soldier Field, and left the team in the hands of his top assistants. It was a move he would regret.

The teams played to a scoreless standstill in the opening quarter as Notre Dame predictably employed their “shock troops” to begin the contest. The Irish plan was to use their second team to build the confidence of its opponent before rushing their top 11 on the field for the kill. The plan backfired as Tech toyed with the Notre Dame backups before shocking their first team in the second frame.

Touchdown runs by Bill Donohoe and C.J. Letzelter gave the Tartans a 13-0 halftime lead, and two drop-kick field goals of 32 and 45 yards by Quarterback Howard Harpster ended the scoring. Tech drove the final stake into Notre Dame with a fourth-quarter goal-line stand led by Lloyd “The Plaid Bull” Yoder. Harpster and Yoder later became Tech’s first two football All-Americans and were inducted into the National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame. The game, played 80 years ago before a standing-room-only crowd at Pittsburgh’s Forbes Field, is legendary. It stands as not only the greatest victory in school history, but also one of the biggest upsets in all of college football. ESPN includes the game in its television special called “Greatest College Football Upsets.”

On paper, the Tartans didn’t have much of a chance that snowy, cold, and gray November afternoon. Notre Dame came to Pittsburgh undefeated and with a super-stingy defense that had not yielded a single point in eight games. A national championship seemed to be well in hand with only two games remaining, Tech and Southern Cal. Conversely, Tech, which had fallen to Notre Dame the previous four years in a row by a combined score of 111-19, brought a 6-2 mark into its final contest of the season.

Notre Dame was such the heavy favorite that rumors flowed out of South Bend that Head Coach Knute Rockne planned to leave the first-string at home to rest for Southern Cal.

“We are pointing for your game Saturday and will give you all we have,” wrote Rockne in a telegram to Carnegie Tech Athletic Director Clarence “Buddy” Overend in an effort to dispel the rumor.

The record shows that Notre Dame’s first team did make the trip, but Rockne chose to stay in Chicago to attend the Army-Navy game at Soldier Field, and left the team in the hands of his top assistants. It was a move he would regret.

The teams played to a scoreless standstill in the opening quarter as Notre Dame predictably employed their “shock troops” to begin the contest. The Irish plan was to use their second team to build the confidence of its opponent before rushing their top 11 on the field for the kill. The plan backfired as Tech toyed with the Notre Dame backups before shocking their first team in the second frame.

Touchdown runs by Bill Donohoe and C.J. Letzelter gave the Tartans a 13-0 halftime lead, and two drop-kick field goals of 32 and 45 yards by Quarterback Howard Harpster ended the scoring. Tech drove the final stake into Notre Dame with a fourth-quarter goal-line stand led by Lloyd “The Plaid Bull” Yoder. Harpster and Cruise agency Yoder later became Tech’s first two football All-Americans and were inducted into the National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame.

Thanks

 

DILBERT

8:31 AM ET

January 1, 2012

Payback

The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with freedom, democracy, oil, WMDs, sunnis, shiites, Iran, Saudi or anything else that is mentioned above. The only reason Bush went after Saddam was to get even for Saddam's attempt to kill Bush's daddy.

The fact that Saddam had pissed off the Israeli's and their neo-con supporters by sending SCUDs to Tel Aviv and lavishly promoting suicide bombing of Israeli civilians (the "blow yourself up, kill some Jews and your family gets a new home from Saddam" policy), was the icing on the cake that helped get broad support for the Bush La familia vendetta.

So, Mohammed, what has happened and will happen to Iraqis as a result of the invasion is of no concern to the anyone aside from the Iraqis that are sadly involved in killing each other off. Consider it a simple payback for past deeds.... with interest.

 

HEYTHERE14

12:14 PM ET

January 1, 2012

Okay The moments were subtle

Okay
The moments were subtle but unstolen and guess who owns 'em?
No friendly, non-threatening corporate lackey mucks in the totem.
Lucy was in the sky with diamonds, five dollars to hold 'em.
The summer Vanik beat Pac-Man with acid behind his molars.
Little white tab tolerant. Little white flag waggling.
Inorganic pat on back. trim the panic flat on backer.
Back to back like Mad Hatter magic rabid mastiff collaborative splatter bachelor fabric fatter with Cabbage Patch lit.
(Dark days)
Ben and Louie-Louie
(Park blaze)
Chemically bent-up but eager to crash for that 1-2-3 repeater.
Good morning, Vietnam.
Whose couch is this, whose house is this, who are you down with bitch?
Sorry dog, I dreamt the foulest shit.
There was this rabbit's foot talisman drowning out of my arm span.
What's fouler was the other farmhands growing gills and shark fangs.
What's fouler was my torso stripped to ribbons in the marshlands,
but I'm up now.
Let's get this window pain and shut the fuck down.
Down by the river where the litter sits
And lion heart critters smoke dope and act like illiterates
I ran with a brat pack of loose bolts and high social maladjusties
Sacred, numb, and boundless went the saint protocol company.
Well, I was dummy to some when my tongue was cradled and my skin looks crazy
Pocketbook mirror, courtesy Amy
There's spiders in the mattress, Paisley sunglasses, dialated eyes green
Ice grill that could burn through your picture-in-picture widescreen
Poison late late show starring Aes and his jigsaw face
Twelve hour solid gold entertainment
Utter shit to self from mothership to stealth ADD patient.
(Space Invader)
This one's for the labor days worked for rent and rolling papers
Only the illest beats leak absurdly out the boombox
The day-tripper anthem goes: "Wake. Drop. Walk to Aquarium."
Whistle while you work like a canary lung
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy that carried drugs
I sorta see it as my last blast summer
Skateboards and sloppy psychedelics in big numbers
Good times, good people
All airbrushed on a collapsible easel
Peace man, easy

[Bridge]
And I knew the permanency would drift
And I knew the ph balance wasn't right
And I knew the crash and burn had to caress it
LSD, flash the message
And I knew the gash wasn't gonna stop bleeding
And I knew the ph balance wasn't right
And I knew how September would then affect it
LSD...

[Verse 2]
Lazy summer days
Like some decrepit land shark dumb luck squad dog lurk sicker diluted.
Last sturdy domino lean secluded.
Don't let stupid delusions lessen super-duty labor students dragnet lifer solutions.
Daddy loved sloppy dimension like son/daughter link.
Such determinated leopards.
Successfully disheveled.
Little soldiers developed like serpents despite life sentence ducking lemmings.
Some don't like sobriety's dirty lenses.
Some do.
Let sleeping dogs lie still.
Don't look so damn lackluster.
Suck defeat.
Lump sum damage?
Load, sample, delete.
Late Show, Dave Letterman, shitty diner lip slide, dutch.
Low self-discipline leaders see dead lung self-destruct.
Life sucks dickhead.
Lost summers display laminates showcasing divinity live, system definitive.
Liturgy soaked, depict lowly spectacular delight.
Why, what kind of LSD you like?
Your lizard king has spoken (all hail)
You in the back get 'em up.
Those trails aren't necessarily bunk.
(Summertime)
Some'll try to recapture the same flag but I played it smart and recognized the summertime past.Okay
The moments were subtle but unstolen and guess who owns 'em?
No friendly, non-threatening corporate lackey mucks in the totem.
Lucy was in the sky with diamonds, five dollars to hold 'em.
The summer Vanik beat Pac-Man with acid behind his molars.
Little white tab tolerant. Little white flag waggling.
Inorganic pat on back. trim the panic flat on backer.
Back to back like Mad Hatter magic rabid mastiff collaborative splatter bachelor fabric fatter with Cabbage Patch lit.
(Dark days)
Ben and Louie-Louie
(Park blaze)
Chemically bent-up but eager to crash for that 1-2-3 repeater.
Good morning, Vietnam.
Whose couch is this, whose house is this, who are you down with bitch?
Sorry dog, I dreamt the foulest shit.
There was this rabbit's foot talisman drowning out of my arm span.
What's fouler was the other farmhands growing gills and shark fangs.
What's fouler was my torso stripped to ribbons in the marshlands,
but I'm up now.
Let's get this window pain and shut the fuck down.
Down by the river where the litter sits
And lion heart critters smoke dope and act like illiterates
I ran with a brat pack of loose bolts and high social maladjusties
Sacred, numb, and boundless went the saint protocol company.
Well, I was dummy to some when my tongue was cradled and my skin looks crazy
Pocketbook mirror, courtesy Amy
There's spiders in the mattress, Paisley sunglasses, dialated eyes green
Ice grill that could burn through your picture-in-picture widescreen
Poison late late show starring Aes and his jigsaw face
Twelve hour solid gold entertainment
Utter shit to self from mothership to stealth ADD patient.
(Space Invader)
This one's for the labor days worked for rent and rolling papers
Only the illest beats leak absurdly out the boombox
The day-tripper anthem goes: "Wake. Drop. Walk to Aquarium."
Whistle while you work like a canary lung
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy that carried drugs
I sorta see it as my last blast summer
Skateboards and sloppy psychedelics in big numbers
Good times, good people
All airbrushed on a collapsible easel
Peace man, easy

[Bridge]
And I knew the permanency would drift
And I knew the ph balance wasn't right
And I knew the crash and burn had to caress it
LSD, flash the message
And I knew the gash wasn't gonna stop bleeding
And I knew the ph balance wasn't right
And I knew how September would then affect it
LSD...

[Verse 2]
Lazy summer days
Like some decrepit land shark dumb luck squad dog lurk sicker diluted.
Last sturdy domino lean secluded.
Don't let stupid delusions lessen super-duty labor students dragnet lifer solutions.
Daddy loved sloppy dimension like son/daughter link.
Such determinated leopards.
Successfully disheveled.
Little soldiers developed like serpents despite life sentence ducking lemmings.
Some don't like sobriety's dirty lenses.
Some do.
Let sleeping dogs lie still.
Don't look so damn lackluster.
Suck defeat.
Lump sum damage?
Load, sample, delete.
Late Show, Dave Letterman, shitty diner lip slide, dutch.
Low self-discipline leaders see dead lung self-destruct.
Life sucks dickhead.
Lost summers display laminates showcasing divinity live, system definitive.
Liturgy soaked, depict lowly spectacular delight.
Why, what kind of LSD you like?
Your lizard king has spoken (all hail)
You in the back get 'em up.
Those trails aren't necessarily bunk.
(Summertime)
Some'll try to recapture the same flag but I played it smart and recognized the summertime past.Okay
The moments were subtle but unstolen and guess who owns 'em?
No friendly, non-threatening corporate lackey mucks in the totem.
Lucy was in the sky with diamonds, five dollars to hold 'em.
The summer Vanik beat Pac-Man with acid behind his molars.
Little white tab tolerant. Little white flag waggling.
Inorganic pat on back. trim the panic flat on backer.
Back to back like Mad Hatter magic rabid mastiff collaborative splatter bachelor fabric fatter with Cabbage Patch lit.
(Dark days)
Ben and Louie-Louie
(Park blaze)
Chemically bent-up but eager to crash for that 1-2-3 repeater.
Good morning, Vietnam.
Whose couch is this, whose house is this, who are you down with bitch?
Sorry dog, I dreamt the foulest shit.
There was this rabbit's foot talisman drowning out of my arm span.
What's fouler was the other farmhands growing gills and shark fangs.
What's fouler was my torso stripped to ribbons in the marshlands,
but I'm up now.
Let's get this window pain and shut the fuck down.
Down by the river where the litter sits
And lion heart critters smoke dope and act like illiterates
I ran with a brat pack of loose bolts and high social maladjusties
Sacred, numb, and boundless went the saint protocol company.
Well, I was dummy to some when my tongue was cradled and my skin looks crazy
Pocketbook mirror, courtesy Amy
There's spiders in the mattress, Paisley sunglasses, dialated eyes green
Ice grill that could burn through your picture-in-picture widescreen
Poison late late show starring Aes and his jigsaw face
Twelve hour solid gold entertainment
Utter shit to self from mothership to stealth ADD patient.
(Space Invader)
This one's for the labor days worked for rent and rolling papers
Only the illest beats leak absurdly out the boombox
The day-tripper anthem goes: "Wake. Drop. Walk to Aquarium."
Whistle while you work like a canary lung
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy that carried drugs
I sorta see it as my last blast summer
Skateboards and sloppy psychedelics in big numbers
Good times, good people
All airbrushed on a collapsible easel
Peace man, easy

[Bridge]
And I knew the permanency would drift
And I knew the ph balance wasn't right
And I knew the crash and burn had to caress it
LSD, flash the message
And I knew the gash wasn't gonna stop bleeding
And I knew the ph balance wasn't right
And I knew how September would then affect it
LSD...

[Verse 2]
Lazy summer days
Like some decrepit land shark dumb luck squad dog lurk sicker diluted.
Last sturdy domino lean secluded.
Don't let stupid delusions lessen super-duty labor students dragnet lifer solutions.
Daddy loved sloppy dimension like son/daughter link.
Such determinated leopards.
Successfully disheveled.
Little soldiers developed like serpents despite life sentence ducking lemmings.
Some don't like sobriety's dirty lenses.
Some do.
Let sleeping dogs lie still.
Don't look so damn lackluster.
Suck defeat.
Lump sum damage?
Load, sample, delete.
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Low self-discipline leaders see dead lung self-destruct.
Life sucks dickhead.
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Liturgy soaked, depict lowly spectacular delight.
Why, what kind of LSD you like?
Your lizard king has spoken (all hail)
You in the back get 'em up.
Those trails aren't necessarily bunk.
(Summertime)
Some'll try to recapture the same flag but I played it smart and recognized the summertime past.

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BUBBLE BURSTER

8:25 PM ET

January 1, 2012

the question remains

Even given the inept post-invasion planning and execution the question still remain. Lets compare two Iraqs.

Iraq #1: Sectarian violence, infrastructure issues, corrupt politicians, ongoing random violence.

Iraq #2. Authoritarian state. Invaded two of its neighbors. Used chemical weapons in a war and on its own people. Attempted genocide against the marsh Arabs. Attempted assassination of former US president. Once came close to a nuclear capability, probably still had ambitions. Murdered at minimum 10,000 of his own people every year.

Holy crap...they both suck. But is not abundantly clear to me that continuing Iraq #2 is better then the admittedly screwed up crap we left behind. Anyone how thinks that the answer here is self-obvious has no sense of history or the scope of brutality in the Saddam regime. The author is from the privileged minority fo the old Iraq. Ask the Shi'a and the Kurds (a total of 80% of the population) how good the old Iraq was.

And please do not think that the "Arab Spring" could have occurred in Iraq. Not a chance.

Now this analysis has not accounted for the negative effects of this war on the US, that is a whole other set of issues.

Whatever the motives of the Bush Administration, and not matter how badly we conducted the post-invasion reconstruction and administration I am not sure the "good old days" actually were.

Finally, Mr. al-Diyali, I am sorry for the loss of your family members and friends, and hope you find a peaceful and welcoming home here in the U.S.

 

SARGE FROM WACKBAG

4:17 AM ET

January 2, 2012

"Monday morning Quarterbacks"...

is what we'll be seeing, reading and hearing from, now that the Iraq war is over.

Now that the author lives in America, he has the freedom to express what he thinks. He didn't have that, almost a decade ago.

 

LITTLEMANTATE

2:49 PM ET

January 2, 2012

People were predicting this war would go badly

for the US from the get go. Does that make them pregame quarterbacks? Do they get points for calling it right?

 

SJ5917

6:07 PM ET

January 2, 2012

War is a terrible thing

I have a son who is a contractor out in Iraq and he wrtie to me on a regular basis. The situation seems to be getting worse there on a daily absis since the pull out of troops. The US seems to have put them selves in an imposible position and my belief is they should have stayed in the country to provide more stablility

 

SJ5917

6:08 PM ET

January 2, 2012

Basis

The is where he is based:

http://www.worldcountries.info/Maps/GoogleMap-Iraq.php

 

SJ5917

6:10 PM ET

January 2, 2012

Basis

This is really where he is based. WOuld you want to work there?

 

KBC

6:51 PM ET

January 2, 2012

No more war in Iraq

The war is Iraq was over way back in 2003. What has followed for the last 8 years and might continue for next 8 more years will be the centuries old divide in Islam.

 

HECTORGREG11

12:33 PM ET

January 25, 2012

agree

The war was over a long time ago. We were just over there to prevent things from happening. If we were over there then they would not have to come to America to attack us. Might as well let them attack our soldiers rather than our citizens. contemporary furniture austin

 

MARCIAFLORES

7:25 PM ET

January 6, 2012

War is a terrible thing

The situation seems to be getting worse there on a daily absis since the pull out of troops. The US seems to have put them selves in an imposible position and my belief is they should have stayed in the country to provide more stablility
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YARINSIZ

9:21 AM ET

January 27, 2012

The teams played to a

The teams played to a scoreless standstill in the opening quarter as Notre Dame predictably employed their “shock troops” to begin the contest. The Irish plan was to use their second team to build the confidence of its opponent before rushing their top 11 on the field for the kill. seslichat The plan backfired as Tech toyed with the Notre Dame backups before shocking their first team in the second frame.