If any Europeans thought that they could form a United States of Europe (U.S.Eu.) in ten, twenty, or even 50 years without growing pains, they are as guilty of failing to learn from others' history as American are often claimed to be. The US went through many of the same problems when thirteen colonies succeeded from the British Empire and went there own way. Take a look at the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, then at the Treaty of Lisbon. They share many of the same flaws, rooted in the same desire to maintain the independence of the state.

Even once the Constitution (1787) and Bill of Rights (1791) were ratified and in effect it took almost 8o more years and a civil war that killed almost 2% of the nation's population before Americans began to use the term "the United States is..." instead of the "the United States are..." Even to this day, the differences between American's native to different states are FAR larger than most Europeans realize.

This is not to say that a United States of Europe will never happen, but it must be understood that it will be a long, slow process, and will likely be longer and slower than the process was in the US, due to a longer legacy of conflict between nations and, of all things, longer life-spans. The simple fact is that people who are raised thinking of their nationality as French, or Germany, or whatnot will probably always think of themselves thus. It may take several generations for the concept of being French, or German, or whatnot to become the equivalent of being a New Yorker or Californian to an American, and those generations will be longer than generations were here in the US in the 1800s.

The final point is that Europeans must ask themselves if a 'U.S.Eu.' is, in fact, truly what they want. A true nation of Europe will require the majority of its citizens to share common values, common ideals, common mores, and, most likely, a common language. If these do not exist naturally, they must be cultivated, and that leads to some very difficult ground for debate and discussion (and the potential for many, many problems). As part of this, Europeans must ask themselves why they want a U.S.Eu. Is it to compete economically with the USA, China, and other large population economies (a really bad reason to build a nation)? To prevent any possibility of another grand European war? To bring together people with more in common than not? To feed the French and German economies? To enable bureaucrats to regulate to their hearts' content (this seems to be the EU's main function at the moment)?

The dream of a European Union capable of challenging America, is just that, a dream.
The history of the USA has hardly began, it has a thousand years left to go.Although this
may seem impossible at the moment, it is a fact.The crisis we are in will get worse and
dramatic changes will come to the contry but these changes are stages in a long process
that must occur. The European Union will endure and eventuall undergo changes that
will replace German leadership with East European /Slavic leadership,but despite this
it will not replace the USA as a world power.China will emerge as a world power in it's
own domain and endure for a century.As the world transition from a Germanic dominated
world to a Celtic dominated world, we will be in for a wild ride, hang on.

The crux seems to be that the Union wanted to eat the cake and have it: They should have stayed with the initial 6 states and merged them ever more. Then there had been a basis for a common currency. It looked almost like the 90s merger mania in the business world, the way the EU was ready to accept new members.

What you described happens in most parts of the world including your own UK - where the Scots and Welsh don't care much for the English or in the US where I find more in common with the French than my right wing nut job Tea Partyers.

Like any country with diversity, learning to get along takes time and institutions take time to create.

If Europe were to choose to split up back again, it will have given up relevance in world affairs. The individual countries are way too small to provide a counterweight to the US, China or any other 800 pound gorilla out there.

What I find personally, is that if the EU does something towards the USA or China like not selling them lethal injection drugs or imposing a carbon tax, that the sense of being "European' becomes stronger. I'll even take on a "we" form in forums and comment threads that concern these things.But when the European Union comes in telling us Dutch we can't push up the minimum age of migrants coming in for family reunification or not allowing "us" to do what we feel is best in dealing with migration problems then I become fiercely anti-European I have no idea why they want to deal with issues that really concern domestic policies of the member states and do not focus more on foreign policy alone. Because in the end that is where Europe really matters. Coming together to form a united front to the world at large.I don't want it to overrule domestic policies like at what age migrants can apply for family reunification it doesn't concern others every country has different problems and seeks different solutions on migration.In fact I didn't even know Brussels could veto such a thing and believe me that wakens up a fierce nationalism being told by outsiders what we can and cannot do.But it's a strange and odd hybrid identity if an American uses the term "Europeans" or "THE Europeans" I can easily switch to this identity while not caring a bit if Italians can retire at 62 or if they go bankrupt or if they allow in millions of refugees.Another thing that can make me furious is that the EU now has rules concerning the environment that means we can't drain or dredge certain lands without "compensating" the nature areas with something else. So you end up having to flood perfectly good farmland polders because we wanted to dredge the Scheldt estuary to allow for larger ships to enter Antwerp.Like who thinks of these kind of policies and why can't nature be a thing for the member states themselves to implement how they wish? Some like birds and bees others like concrete and factories it should only concern the people living with the actual environment.Like I found out that we can't even drain and close the Wadden sea because apparently it's some kind of EU protected , UN protected,unique and special nature reserve for birds.Can we please decide how we want to design our land? We've been doing it for thousands of years we take care of it just fine without you sticking your collective noses in.

You should have just told that to your students:

"I was born in Wales and have lived in continental Europe -- Oslo, Prague, and Brussels -- for most of the last 25 years. I've traveled to every EU country except Malta. I speak a handful of European languages and studied European history and politics at university. I have worked in the European Commission and European Parliament. My best friends are Dutch, German, Slovak, and Swedish. My partner is French, and my children are bilingual. Unlike some recent U.S. presidents, I know the difference between Slovenia and Slovakia. If anyone should be European, or at least know what constitutes one, I should. "

You know, you had hit the spot and never even realized it. We Europeans are to be considered a nation of the willing, not unlike Switzerland. We share a common destiny. Much like you thought to yourself without saying it aloud.

I am not so concerned about the long-term future of the European Union. The European Project is indeed only quite young. In its 50+ years however, it has already made enormous progress with solid institutions, a free market and a single currency. It is only normal that, given the speed and depth of the changes, there are major crises from time to time; these function to wake up leaders and the people of Europe themselves. In fact, there actually haven't been that many crises in those 50 years--remarkably so. When things went right, nobody was ever seriously questioning the EU, apart from some hard-core nationalists who had out-of-line thoughts. Europe unmistakably feels very different than 20 years ago, and it does have to do with open borders, a single currency--even though France still looks like France and London is still English, and that's what everybody wants anyway. The fact that people may not be geographically as mobile as in the US, does not mean much. If in most countries of the EU, social mobility is higher than in most other countries of the world, there is apparently no need to be moving physically elsewhere. A comparison with the US is helpful to see how that country developed in 200 years to where it is now. Europe definitely needs more time, and it needs to see its own position and history in perspective.

As to diversity, I don't think it is a problem for any European that she or he is different from his or her neighbor. It is fun and we like it when we travel in Europe, en masse, at that. The most important thing though is that being European goes very deep, and it might be as a result of having suffered through various wars and occupations. The differences seem folkloric rather than insurmountable. I have never felt more European than the 15+ years I lived outside Europe (Asia, the Americas). Suddenly I realized it made as much sense to talk about 'Europeans' as about 'Americans'--a sign that, like Americans, on the superficial level we have reached an important commonality without suggesting that all Europeans are identical. Nobody seriously would want the EU to break up if they really knew what that meant on a political and economic level. However, the current crisis is a welcome foot on the brake to rethink what is good and what is not good for Europe--and not whether the very concept of 'Europe' is good or not good.

This vile little guy, Gareth Harding, seems to enjoy spreading panic just as the EU is fighting a sort of "financial Battle of Britain" fight. I am generally very much in favor of free speech but this sort of hateful propaganda should perhaps be curbed until the immediate danger has passed. It is absolutely not my desire to force Dutch, Poles, Italians, Brits or Germans to be "Europeans" but how they want the EU to work, and how much union they want, is an important decision that should not be forced out of their hands by panic and fear. This Harding is nothing but a vile little jackel snapping at what he thinks is a corpse but I think is anything but. If he's American, revoke his visa and send him home. Otherwise, intern his little ass to prevent panic from spreading and letting people know that trying to induce complete collapse and chaos to Europe, and then the global economy, is not acceptable in the middle of a dangerous crisis.

by Steven Hill, author of Europe’s Promise: Why the European Way Is the Best Hope in an Insecure Age and Director of the Political Reform Program at the New America Foundation

Picture two flags, side by side, one the Stars and Stripes, also known as Old Glory, the other the European Union royal blue with a circle of twelve gold stars, like a halo. While Europe is considered the “old world,” the United States actually is far older than the European Union. The European Union is the new kid on the block, a fundamentally different “Europe,” reconstructed from the rubble of World War II with America’s generous assistance. Because modern-day Europe is so new and still in formation, it is frequently misunderstood by Americans. Numerous myths and half-truths about Europe now pass as conventional wisdom, and these myths have clouded Americans’ perceptions and understanding of Europe. It will be helpful to the future of the transatlantic relationship to clarify some of these myths.

Myth 1. Europe has a weak, sclerotic and noncompetitive economy.

FACT. Europe has the largest economy in the world, producing nearly a third of the world’s economy, almost as large as the United States and China combined. It has more Fortune 500 companies than the United States and China combined, and some of the most competitive national economies in the world, according to the World Economic Forum. From 1998 through 2008 (until the global economic collapse), Europe had a higher per capita GDP growth rate than the U.S. , and currently the continent previously known as the “land of high unemployment” has a lower unemployment rate than the U.S. (U.S. 10%, European Union, 9.5%, Germany 7.6%, France 10%).

Europe is the largest trading partner both of the United States and China. Europe’s stocks and investment returns have out-performed those in the U.S., making Europe an international investment magnet. In fact, Europe is corporate America’s biggest target for foreign investment, and U.S. businesses make far more profits there than anywhere else in the world, over twenty times more than what they have made in China.

But Europe’s economy is not just powered by Fortune 500 companies and big corporations. It has more small businesses than the U.S. that provide two-thirds of Europe’s jobs, compared to about half the jobs in the United States.

Myth 2. The European “welfare state” hamstrings its businesses.

FACT. Hardly a welfare state, Europe’s economy and comprehensive social system are two halves of a well-designed “social capitalism” that is better geared than America’s “Wall Street capitalism” to support families and individuals, and keep them healthy and productive. Europeans are supported with quality health care, a comfortable retirement pension, paid parental leave after childbirth, paid sick leave, child care and “kiddie stipends,” more vacation time, free or nearly free university education, job training, affordable housing, senior care and more. This is more “workfare” than “welfare,” since it keeps workers in good health and able to work. And it reveals real family values, as it provides families the support structure they need in this economically insecure age. The overwhelming evidence shows this has been good for the economy, producing highly productive workers who have sufficient wages to be active consumers.

Myth 3. Europe is a socialist den of government interference and intervention.

Europe is completely capitalist, not socialist, with more Fortune 500 companies and more small businesses than in the U.S. But Europe has figured out how to harness capitalism’s tremendous wealth-creating capacity so that its prosperity is broadly shared. Practices of economic democracy known as “codetermination,” “supervisory boards,” “works councils” and “flexicurity” are crucial to that harnessing. Codetermination allows workers to elect representatives to corporate boards of directors (known as supervisory boards). Half of the board members for the largest corporations in Germany — Siemens, BMW, Daimler and others — are elected by the workers. In Sweden, one-third of a company’s directors are worker-elected. Imagine Wal-Mart’s board of directors having anywhere from a third to half of its directors elected directly by its workers. It’s hard to even conceive of such a notion from the American standpoint. Yet, most European nations employ some version of this. The impact has been immensely significant, and research shows it has fostered a healthy degree of consultation and cooperation between management and workers.

Works councils are the other twin pillar of codetermination. Elected works councils at individual companies allow workers to gain significant input into their working conditions. Works councils, which are separate from labor unions, have real clout. They enjoy veto power over certain management decisions such as redeployment and dismissal of individual employees. They also have “co-decision rights” to meet with management to discuss the firm’s finances, daily work schedules, scheduling of holidays, work organization and other operating procedures; and “consultation rights” in regard to planning for the introduction of new technologies, mergers and layoffs.

Codetermination fosters the right balance of workers’ rights and consultation with robust commerce and entrepreneurship. It is one of the keys to how Europe’s brand of “social capitalism” has managed to harness its economic engine.

Myth 4. Europeans pay more taxes than Americans.

FACT: For their taxes, Europeans receive a seemingly endless list of benefits and services for which Americans must pay extra via out-of-pocket fees, premiums, deductibles, tuition and other charges, in addition to our taxes. For example, many Americans who have health care coverage are paying escalating premiums and deductibles, while Europeans receive health care in return for a modest amount deducted from their paycheck. Other Americans are saving a hundred thousand dollars per child for their college education, yet European children attend for free or nearly so. Millions of Americans are scraping to save the amount they will need for retirement beyond Social Security, but the European retirement system is much more generous. Many Americans pay extra for child care, or self-finance their own sick leave or parental leave after a birth, but Europeans receive all of these and more—in return for paying their taxes. When you sum up the total balance sheet, it turns out that many Americans pay out as much as or more than Europeans — but we receive a lot less for our money.

Myth 5. Europe’s economy will be hurt by its inadequate domestic energy supply and its dependence on Russia for its energy needs.

FACT: Europe’s energy efficiency is the best in the world. As a result of widespread implementation of conservation and renewable technologies, Europe’s ecological “footprint” (the amount of the earth’s capacity that a population consumes) is about half that of the United States for the same standard of living. The European landscape is being transformed slowly by giant high-tech windmills, vast solar arrays, underwater seamills, hydrogen-powered vehicles, “sea snakes,” and other renewable energy technologies. Europe is implementing conservation and “green” design in everything from skyscrapers to fuel-efficient automobiles, high speed trains, low wattage light bulbs, and low flush toilets. Europe has gone both high- and low-tech: It has also developed thousands of kilometers of bicycle and pedestrian paths that are used by people of all ages. In the process, Europeans are creating entire new industries and tens of thousands of new jobs.

As a result of this activity, Europe has reduced its energy reliance on Russia and the Middle East, diversifying its foreign sources of oil and natural gas. The heads of all 27 E.U. nations have agreed to make renewable energy sources 20 percent of the union’s energy mix by 2020 and to cut carbon emissions by 20 percent. For all these reasons, BusinessWeek has stated that Europe is better prepared than the United States for this era of energy uncertainty.

by Steven Hill, author of Europe’s Promise: Why the European Way Is the Best Hope in an Insecure Age and Director of the Political Reform Program at the New America Foundation

Picture two flags, side by side, one the Stars and Stripes, also known as Old Glory, the other the European Union royal blue with a circle of twelve gold stars, like a halo. While Europe is considered the “old world,” the United States actually is far older than the European Union. The European Union is the new kid on the block, a fundamentally different “Europe,” reconstructed from the rubble of World War II with America’s generous assistance. Because modern-day Europe is so new and still in formation, it is frequently misunderstood by Americans. Numerous myths and half-truths about Europe now pass as conventional wisdom, and these myths have clouded Americans’ perceptions and understanding of Europe. It will be helpful to the future of the transatlantic relationship to clarify some of these myths.

Myth 1. Europe has a weak, sclerotic and noncompetitive economy.

FACT. Europe has the largest economy in the world, producing nearly a third of the world’s economy, almost as large as the United States and China combined. It has more Fortune 500 companies than the United States and China combined, and some of the most competitive national economies in the world, according to the World Economic Forum. From 1998 through 2008 (until the global economic collapse), Europe had a higher per capita GDP growth rate than the U.S. , and currently the continent previously known as the “land of high unemployment” has a lower unemployment rate than the U.S. (U.S. 10%, European Union, 9.5%, Germany 7.6%, France 10%).

Europe is the largest trading partner both of the United States and China. Europe’s stocks and investment returns have out-performed those in the U.S., making Europe an international investment magnet. In fact, Europe is corporate America’s biggest target for foreign investment, and U.S. businesses make far more profits there than anywhere else in the world, over twenty times more than what they have made in China.

But Europe’s economy is not just powered by Fortune 500 companies and big corporations. It has more small businesses than the U.S. that provide two-thirds of Europe’s jobs, compared to about half the jobs in the United States.

Myth 2. The European “welfare state” hamstrings its businesses.

FACT. Hardly a welfare state, Europe’s economy and comprehensive social system are two halves of a well-designed “social capitalism” that is better geared than America’s “Wall Street capitalism” to support families and individuals, and keep them healthy and productive. Europeans are supported with quality health care, a comfortable retirement pension, paid parental leave after childbirth, paid sick leave, child care and “kiddie stipends,” more vacation time, free or nearly free university education, job training, affordable housing, senior care and more. This is more “workfare” than “welfare,” since it keeps workers in good health and able to work. And it reveals real family values, as it provides families the support structure they need in this economically insecure age. The overwhelming evidence shows this has been good for the economy, producing highly productive workers who have sufficient wages to be active consumers.

Myth 3. Europe is a socialist den of government interference and intervention.

Europe is completely capitalist, not socialist, with more Fortune 500 companies and more small businesses than in the U.S. But Europe has figured out how to harness capitalism’s tremendous wealth-creating capacity so that its prosperity is broadly shared. Practices of economic democracy known as “codetermination,” “supervisory boards,” “works councils” and “flexicurity” are crucial to that harnessing. Codetermination allows workers to elect representatives to corporate boards of directors (known as supervisory boards). Half of the board members for the largest corporations in Germany — Siemens, BMW, Daimler and others — are elected by the workers. In Sweden, one-third of a company’s directors are worker-elected. Imagine Wal-Mart’s board of directors having anywhere from a third to half of its directors elected directly by its workers. It’s hard to even conceive of such a notion from the American standpoint. Yet, most European nations employ some version of this. The impact has been immensely significant, and research shows it has fostered a healthy degree of consultation and cooperation between management and workers.

Works councils are the other twin pillar of codetermination. Elected works councils at individual companies allow workers to gain significant input into their working conditions. Works councils, which are separate from labor unions, have real clout. They enjoy veto power over certain management decisions such as redeployment and dismissal of individual employees. They also have “co-decision rights” to meet with management to discuss the firm’s finances, daily work schedules, scheduling of holidays, work organization and other operating procedures; and “consultation rights” in regard to planning for the introduction of new technologies, mergers and layoffs.

Codetermination fosters the right balance of workers’ rights and consultation with robust commerce and entrepreneurship. It is one of the keys to how Europe’s brand of “social capitalism” has managed to harness its economic engine.

Myth 4. Europeans pay more taxes than Americans.

FACT: For their taxes, Europeans receive a seemingly endless list of benefits and services for which Americans must pay extra via out-of-pocket fees, premiums, deductibles, tuition and other charges, in addition to our taxes. For example, many Americans who have health care coverage are paying escalating premiums and deductibles, while Europeans receive health care in return for a modest amount deducted from their paycheck. Other Americans are saving a hundred thousand dollars per child for their college education, yet European children attend for free or nearly so. Millions of Americans are scraping to save the amount they will need for retirement beyond Social Security, but the European retirement system is much more generous. Many Americans pay extra for child care, or self-finance their own sick leave or parental leave after a birth, but Europeans receive all of these and more—in return for paying their taxes. When you sum up the total balance sheet, it turns out that many Americans pay out as much as or more than Europeans — but we receive a lot less for our money.

Myth 5. Europe’s economy will be hurt by its inadequate domestic energy supply and its dependence on Russia for its energy needs.

FACT: Europe’s energy efficiency is the best in the world. As a result of widespread implementation of conservation and renewable technologies, Europe’s ecological “footprint” (the amount of the earth’s capacity that a population consumes) is about half that of the United States for the same standard of living. The European landscape is being transformed slowly by giant high-tech windmills, vast solar arrays, underwater seamills, hydrogen-powered vehicles, “sea snakes,” and other renewable energy technologies. Europe is implementing conservation and “green” design in everything from skyscrapers to fuel-efficient automobiles, high speed trains, low wattage light bulbs, and low flush toilets. Europe has gone both high- and low-tech: It has also developed thousands of kilometers of bicycle and pedestrian paths that are used by people of all ages. In the process, Europeans are creating entire new industries and tens of thousands of new jobs.

As a result of this activity, Europe has reduced its energy reliance on Russia and the Middle East, diversifying its foreign sources of oil and natural gas. The heads of all 27 E.U. nations have agreed to make renewable energy sources 20 percent of the union’s energy mix by 2020 and to cut carbon emissions by 20 percent. For all these reasons, BusinessWeek has stated that Europe is better prepared than the United States for this era of energy uncertainty.Myth 5. Europe’s economy will be hurt by its inadequate domestic energy supply and its dependence on Russia for its energy needs.

FACT: Europe’s energy efficiency is the best in the world. As a result of widespread implementation of conservation and renewable technologies, Europe’s ecological “footprint” (the amount of the earth’s capacity that a population consumes) is about half that of the United States for the same standard of living. The European landscape is being transformed slowly by giant high-tech windmills, vast solar arrays, underwater seamills, hydrogen-powered vehicles, “sea snakes,” and other renewable energy technologies. Europe is implementing conservation and “green” design in everything from skyscrapers to fuel-efficient automobiles, high speed trains, low wattage light bulbs, and low flush toilets. Europe has gone both high- and low-tech: It has also developed thousands of kilometers of bicycle and pedestrian paths that are used by people of all ages. In the process, Europeans are creating entire new industries and tens of thousands of new jobs.

As a result of this activity, Europe has reduced its energy reliance on Russia and the Middle East, diversifying its foreign sources of oil and natural gas. The heads of all 27 E.U. nations have agreed to make renewable energy sources 20 percent of the union’s energy mix by 2020 and to cut carbon emissions by 20 percent. For all these reasons, BusinessWeek has stated that Europe is better prepared than the United States for this era of energy uncertainty.Myth 5. Europe’s economy will be hurt by its inadequate domestic energy supply and its dependence on Russia for its energy needs.

FACT: Europe’s energy efficiency is the best in the world. As a result of widespread implementation of conservation and renewable technologies, Europe’s ecological “footprint” (the amount of the earth’s capacity that a population consumes) is about half that of the United States for the same standard of living. The European landscape is being transformed slowly by giant high-tech windmills, vast solar arrays, underwater seamills, hydrogen-powered vehicles, “sea snakes,” and other renewable energy technologies. Europe is implementing conservation and “green” design in everything from skyscrapers to fuel-efficient automobiles, high speed trains, low wattage light bulbs, and low flush toilets. Europe has gone both high- and low-tech: It has also developed thousands of kilometers of bicycle and pedestrian paths that are used by people of all ages. In the process, Europeans are creating entire new industries and tens of thousands of new jobs.

As a result of this activity, Europe has reduced its energy reliance on Russia and the Middle East, diversifying its foreign sources of oil and natural gas. The heads of all 27 E.U. nations have agreed to make renewable energy sources 20 percent of the union’s energy mix by 2020 and to cut carbon emissions by 20 percent. For all these reasons, BusinessWeek has stated that Europe is better prepared than the United States for this era of energy uncertainty.

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Like the very first commenter above, my biggest gripe with this piece is Harding's assumption that Europe's multicultural challenge is somehow unique in today's world. Indeed, I'd argue that that few places on Earth DON'T "have such a glorious mishmash [as Europe] of cultures, languages, landscapes, and peoples coexisting in such a small area."

As I elaborate in a longer "Brewing Geographer" blog entry elsewhere (http://t.co/qdnca1GB), building a shared European identity does indeed look to be a stiffer challenge, circa 2012, than maintaining a comparable USAmerican identity. But that challenge will not be met by a false sense that modern multicultural nationhood rests on a foundation of "shared values". Instead, political unity today rests in a shared commitment to make the "imagined community" work, recognizing that just like a large extended family, not everyone in that community is going to think (or talk, or eat, or dress, or ...) alike.

I am generally very much in favor of free speech but this sort of hateful propaganda should perhaps be curbed until the immediate danger has passed. If he's American, revoke his visa and send him home. Otherwise, intern his little ass to prevent panic from spreading and letting people know that trying to induce complete collapse and chaos to Europe, and then the global economy, is not acceptable in the middle of a dangerous crisis. pecas aeronaves

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This Harding is a fine example of a person who has materially benefited in every way from this illusion called Europe and has the temerity to negate its validity or viability.

If he came to America he'd be like the Tea Partiers who bleat, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare."

I think this crisis is not regional. Matter of the whole world. If it is not found a solution: the world will be waiting for a big war. War is the end of the world.

I was doing a search for something totally unrelated and I stumbled across this Parent plus loan. Saw the headline and said, ok, I’ll bite. You hit the nail on the head. I would go on and say that the Euro is like a community stew that everyone contributed to, but those that mamaws primitives contributed the least have consumed their share and then some, and for some reason they think that the others should keep contributing to the stew while they keep consuming. The greediest people in the world are the socialists increase page rank.

For A united Europe that is truly functional to happen it takes time. Not just 10 or 20 years but even a hundred of growing up pains before the goal can be reached.

It will be a long and slow process, and could even be longer than the process the US went through due to the legacy of conflict between the different nations. The long history of people who think of themselves as Germans, British, French etc is not going to suddenly have people thinking of themselves as Europeans.

So for the goal of a united Europe to be achieved, we need a lot more time and patience and determination, without which the dream will fail.