Little Trouble in Big China

Did Jon Huntsman waste his time as ambassador in Beijing?

BY SCOTT CLEMENT | JANUARY 4, 2012

Scott Clement is the polling analyst for the Washington Post. The poll-watcher analysis series on American public opinion on foreign policy is cross-posted at the Behind the Numbers blog.

Jon Huntsman's two years as ambassador to China may have helped his Mandarin, but they've earned him almost no support in the race for the GOP presidential nod. Huntsman came in dead last in Tuesday's Iowa caucuses. Meanwhile, Texas Rep. Ron Paul -- who takes unorthodox views against foreign intervention as well as the federal government's reach back home -- finished a close third, a big improvement over his 2008 showing.

Do Republicans even value Huntsman's foreign policy credentials? Do they prefer Paul's stubborn anti-interventionist views? Or are voters simply focused on other issues and attributes, such as improving the economy, shrinking the size of the federal government, and defeating President Barack Obama in a general election?

The Iowa entrance poll

Over three quarters Iowa caucus-goers chose the economy (42 percent) or the deficit (34 percent) as the top issue in their vote, according to the network entrance polls. Some 13 percent chose abortion and 4 percent picked health care. The entrance poll didn't ask about international issues, but it's hard to blame them: pre-election polls showed that it was not a top deciding issue for voters.

Some 3 percent of likely Iowa caucus-goers in a December Washington Post-ABC News poll named immigration as the most important issue in their vote, and 2 percent picked the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most likely caucus-goers acknowledged that foreign affairs were important in a December CNN/Time/ORC poll, ranking close to abortion and gay marriage but behind the economy.

In the caucus-day poll, Huntsman's support peaked -- albeit at 3 percent -- among caucus-goers who named "experience" as the top candidate quality. Even so, a slender 16 percent of caucus-goers named this as the top candidate characteristic. About twice as many said defeating Obama was most important and about a quarter each sought a "true conservative" or someone with "strong moral character."

But in addition to the apparently low importance of these issues to Iowa caucus participants; it's not clear that Huntsman's international resume was a positive factor for voters. Indeed, they may have been a negative. A national Post-ABC poll last June asked Republicans whether Huntsman's service as "Ambassador to China in the Obama administration" made them more or less likely to vote for him. More said they would be "less likely" (23 percent) than "more likely" (5 percent), with an overwhelming 70 percent saying it wouldn't make a difference.

The fact that Huntsman's time overseas was as a member of the Obama administration also might be dulling its impact as a positive attribute. Nearly eight in 10 Republicans disapproved of Obama's job as president in the December Post-ABC poll. And as we've noted before, three quarters of Republicans disapprove of Obama on international affairs.

But Paul's strong showing in Iowa doesn't appear to be an endorsement of his foreign policy views. Paul energized young voters and independents, winning more than four in 10 in each group -- both of which now constitute an increased share of the electorate than in 2008.Twice as many likely caucus-goers in the December Post-ABC poll said Paul's positions on U.S. military intervention were a major reason to oppose rather than support him (46 to 22 percent), while nearly three in 10 said they weren't a major factor.

More likely, Paul's views on limited government helped him double his support from 2008. In the entrance poll, Paul earned a whopping 37 percent support among caucus-goers saying they sought "a true conservative." He also performed especially well among those choosing the "federal budget deficit" as the most important issue in their vote. And two in three likely caucus-goers said Paul's views on limited government were a major reason to back him in the Post-ABC pre-election poll, while few saw this as a negative attribute.

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DR. KUCHBHI

12:42 AM ET

January 5, 2012

Abortion trumps foreign policy. America stuck in the 19th centur

I can understand the economy, the deficit and health care being considerations on which way to vote. I can see voters regarding them as more relevant than foreign policy - not that I agree but I can see where they're coming from.

But abortion??? What the ???? Are we ever going to get out of the 19th century religious wingnut black hole?

 

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KIRBANG

10:17 AM ET

January 5, 2012

Huntsman

Of course it hurts him. By association with the Obama administration and through his admission the world matters. He seems the most stable of GOP prospects, yet another fault. The GOP could do better but they just won't let themselves. Hopefully they will finally bottom-out and begin to discharge their responsibilities as honest participants in this American experiment.

 

JOHNKRINE

11:23 AM ET

February 1, 2012

Big Trouble

Things are just brewing up....it will be very interesting to see how this relationship between the US and China develops. It can take any turn and it could become something that we all fear, but hopefully not. Michigan health insurance, lets see how things shake down.

 

MLILLY

1:11 PM ET

January 5, 2012

Name recognition is the real problem

Someone from one political party answering the call to serve by someone from the other party isn't problematic in my view. It doesn't make Hunstman any less of a Republican than it made Bob Gates for staying on as SecDef.

Huntsman may be unwilling to throw red meat to the base, but he was elected as a Republican governor in one of the most conservative states in the country, and he also worked for the last three Republican Presidents. Bush 41 made him the youngest Ambassador in this country's history when he was posted to Singapore at AGE 32. So again, any talk of him not being a real Republican isn't accurate.

His main problem is that while he was engaged in diplomcay overseas for the past two years, his opponents are either sitting governors or members of Congress who have a fairly high national profile, or former governors of members of Congress who have a fairly high profile. Anyone else in that position would have a pretty tall mountain to climb too. So while he is a longshot, I think he's positioning himself to be more of an impact player down the road. I could certainly see him as Romney's Secretary of State.

 

BING520

2:41 PM ET

January 5, 2012

Huntsman

I have noticed Huntsman is not getting anywhere in this campaign. What a pity! As I watched the campaign, I realized he is the more thoughtful politician. He does not make sensational statements bt careful analysis and well-thought positions.

It befuddles me to think that we Americans aspire to be the world leader, the sole superpower, but show scant interest in international relation and foreign policy. China is the second largest economy and our 2nd largest trading partner. A former State Statement ranking officer wrote just a few months ago that there are no ranking officials at State Deparment who speaks Chinese or has intimate knowledge of China. It seems to me that all our notable success in the international arena of the past 20 years were achieved via military means, instead of diplomacy. Every administration busied itself with providing short-term solutions to problems arising randomly. Few troubled to think where we should be 20 years from now or our long-term strategic interest and goal.

 

JODISWANS

4:44 PM ET

January 5, 2012

Huntsman's FP Starts at Home

I am an independent and will vote for Jon Huntsman, should I get the chance. This article leaves out an important point: Huntsman states that his foreign policy begins with domestic policy. Restoring trust between Americans and their govt and strengthening OUR economy is where he would start...It sounds like a win for the American people.

 

MODERATEWINGER

1:14 AM ET

January 6, 2012

2 things hurting Huntsman

1, Being associated with Barack Obama. That right there is enough to make the Republicans recoil with anger. No one can be associated with that "Socialist".

2, Being a moderate. The Republican party will not vote for a principled, honest man. While many consider Romney a moderate, to me he is neither principled, or honest. Jon Huntsman is a decent man, something the Republicans don;t understand.

 

JAMESPYTHON

12:40 PM ET

January 6, 2012

China is really a big country.

by Steven Hill, author of Europe’s Promise: Why the European Way Is the Best Hope in an Insecure Age and Director of the Political Reform Program at the New America Foundation

Picture two flags, side by side, one the Stars and Stripes, also known as Old Glory, the other the European Union royal blue with a circle of twelve gold stars, like a halo. While Europe is considered the “old world,” the United States actually is far older than the European Union. The European Union is the new kid on the block, a fundamentally different “Europe,” reconstructed from the rubble of World War II with America’s generous assistance. Because modern-day Europe is so new and still in formation, it is frequently misunderstood by Americans. Numerous myths and half-truths about Europe now pass as conventional wisdom, and these myths have clouded Americans’ perceptions and understanding of Europe. It will be helpful to the future of the transatlantic relationship to clarify some of these myths.

Myth 1. Europe has a weak, sclerotic and noncompetitive economy.

FACT. Europe has the largest economy in the world, producing nearly a third of the world’s economy, almost as large as the United States and China combined. It has more Fortune 500 companies than the United States and China combined, and some of the most competitive national economies in the world, according to the World Economic Forum. From 1998 through 2008 (until the global economic collapse), Europe had a higher per capita GDP growth rate than the U.S. , and currently the continent previously known as the “land of high unemployment” has a lower unemployment rate than the U.S. (U.S. 10%, European Union, 9.5%, Germany 7.6%, France 10%).

Europe is the largest trading partner both of the United States and China. Europe’s stocks and investment returns have out-performed those in the U.S., making Europe an international investment magnet. In fact, Europe is corporate America’s biggest target for foreign investment, and U.S. businesses make far more profits there than anywhere else in the world, over twenty times more than what they have made in China.

But Europe’s economy is not just powered by Fortune 500 companies and big corporations. It has more small businesses than the U.S. that provide two-thirds of Europe’s jobs, compared to about half the jobs in the United States.

Myth 2. The European “welfare state” hamstrings its businesses.

FACT. Hardly a welfare state, Europe’s economy and comprehensive social system are two halves of a well-designed “social capitalism” that is better geared than America’s “Wall Street capitalism” to support families and individuals, and keep them healthy and productive. Europeans are supported with quality health care, a comfortable retirement pension, paid parental leave after childbirth, paid sick leave, child care and “kiddie stipends,” more vacation time, free or nearly free university education, job training, affordable housing, senior care and more. This is more “workfare” than “welfare,” since it keeps workers in good health and able to work. And it reveals real family values, as it provides families the support structure they need in this economically insecure age. The overwhelming evidence shows this has been good for the economy, producing highly productive workers who have sufficient wages to be active consumers.

Myth 3. Europe is a socialist den of government interference and intervention.

Europe is completely capitalist, not socialist, with more Fortune 500 companies and more small businesses than in the U.S. But Europe has figured out how to harness capitalism’s tremendous wealth-creating capacity so that its prosperity is broadly shared. Practices of economic democracy known as “codetermination,” “supervisory boards,” “works councils” and “flexicurity” are crucial to that harnessing. Codetermination allows workers to elect representatives to corporate boards of directors (known as supervisory boards). Half of the board members for the largest corporations in Germany — Siemens, BMW, Daimler and others — are elected by the workers. In Sweden, one-third of a company’s directors are worker-elected. Imagine Wal-Mart’s board of directors having anywhere from a third to half of its directors elected directly by its workers. It’s hard to even conceive of such a notion from the American standpoint. Yet, most European nations employ some version of this. The impact has been immensely significant, and research shows it has fostered a healthy degree of consultation and cooperation between management and workers.

Works councils are the other twin pillar of codetermination. Elected works councils at individual companies allow workers to gain significant input into their working conditions. Works councils, which are separate from labor unions, have real clout. They enjoy veto power over certain management decisions such as redeployment and dismissal of individual employees. They also have “co-decision rights” to meet with management to discuss the firm’s finances, daily work schedules, scheduling of holidays, work organization and other operating procedures; and “consultation rights” in regard to planning for the introduction of new technologies, mergers and layoffs.

Codetermination fosters the right balance of workers’ rights and consultation with robust commerce and entrepreneurship. It is one of the keys to how Europe’s brand of “social capitalism” has managed to harness its economic engine.

Myth 4. Europeans pay more taxes than Americans.

FACT: For their taxes, Europeans receive a seemingly endless list of benefits and services for which Americans must pay extra via out-of-pocket fees, premiums, deductibles, tuition and other charges, in addition to our taxes. For example, many Americans who have health care coverage are paying escalating premiums and deductibles, while Europeans receive health care in return for a modest amount deducted from their paycheck. Other Americans are saving a hundred thousand dollars per child for their college education, yet European children attend for free or nearly so. Millions of Americans are scraping to save the amount they will need for retirement beyond Social Security, but the European retirement system is much more generous. Many Americans pay extra for child care, or self-finance their own sick leave or parental leave after a birth, but Europeans receive all of these and more—in return for paying their taxes. When you sum up the total balance sheet, it turns out that many Americans pay out as much as or more than Europeans — but we receive a lot less for our money.

Myth 5. Europe’s economy will be hurt by its inadequate domestic energy supply and its dependence on Russia for its energy needs.

FACT: Europe’s energy efficiency is the best in the world. As a result of widespread implementation of conservation and renewable technologies, Europe’s ecological “footprint” (the amount of the earth’s capacity that a population consumes) is about half that of the United States for the same standard of living. The European landscape is being transformed slowly by giant high-tech windmills, vast solar arrays, underwater seamills, hydrogen-powered vehicles, “sea snakes,” and other renewable energy technologies. Europe is implementing conservation and “green” design in everything from skyscrapers to fuel-efficient automobiles, high speed trains, low wattage light bulbs, and low flush toilets. Europe has gone both high- and low-tech: It has also developed thousands of kilometers of bicycle and pedestrian paths that are used by people of all ages. In the process, Europeans are creating entire new industries and tens of thousands of new jobs.

As a result of this activity, Europe has reduced its energy reliance on Russia and the Middle East, diversifying its foreign sources of oil and natural gas. The heads of all 27 E.U. nations have agreed to make renewable energy sources 20 percent of the union’s energy mix by 2020 and to cut carbon emissions by 20 percent. For all these reasons, BusinessWeek has stated that Europe is better prepared than the United States for this era of energy uncertainty.by Steven Hill, author of Europe’s Promise: Why the European Way Is the Best Hope in an Insecure Age and Director of the Political Reform Program at the New America Foundation

Picture two flags, side by side, one the Stars and Stripes, also known as Old Glory, the other the European Union royal blue with a circle of twelve gold stars, like a halo. While Europe is considered the “old world,” the United States actually is far older than the European Union. The European Union is the new kid on the block, a fundamentally different “Europe,” reconstructed from the rubble of World War II with America’s generous assistance. Because modern-day Europe is so new and still in formation, it is frequently misunderstood by Americans. Numerous myths and half-truths about Europe now pass as conventional wisdom, and these myths have clouded Americans’ perceptions and understanding of Europe. It will be helpful to the future of the transatlantic relationship to clarify some of these myths.

Myth 1. Europe has a weak, sclerotic and noncompetitive economy.

FACT. Europe has the largest economy in the world, producing nearly a third of the world’s economy, almost as large as the United States and China combined. It has more Fortune 500 companies than the United States and China combined, and some of the most competitive national economies in the world, according to the World Economic Forum. From 1998 through 2008 (until the global economic collapse), Europe had a higher per capita GDP growth rate than the U.S. , and currently the continent previously known as the “land of high unemployment” has a lower unemployment rate than the U.S. (U.S. 10%, European Union, 9.5%, Germany 7.6%, France 10%).

Europe is the largest trading partner both of the United States and China. Europe’s stocks and investment returns have out-performed those in the U.S., making Europe an international investment magnet. In fact, Europe is corporate America’s biggest target for foreign investment, and U.S. businesses make far more profits there than anywhere else in the world, over twenty times more than what they have made in China.

But Europe’s economy is not just powered by Fortune 500 companies and big corporations. It has more small businesses than the U.S. that provide two-thirds of Europe’s jobs, compared to about half the jobs in the United States.

Myth 2. The European “welfare state” hamstrings its businesses.

FACT. Hardly a welfare state, Europe’s economy and comprehensive social system are two halves of a well-designed “social capitalism” that is better geared than America’s “Wall Street capitalism” to support families and individuals, and keep them healthy and productive. Europeans are supported with quality health care, a comfortable retirement pension, paid parental leave after childbirth, paid sick leave, child care and “kiddie stipends,” more vacation time, free or nearly free university education, job training, affordable housing, senior care and more. This is more “workfare” than “welfare,” since it keeps workers in good health and able to work. And it reveals real family values, as it provides families the support structure they need in this economically insecure age. The overwhelming evidence shows this has been good for the economy, producing highly productive workers who have sufficient wages to be active consumers.

Myth 3. Europe is a socialist den of government interference and intervention.

Europe is completely capitalist, not socialist, with more Fortune 500 companies and more small businesses than in the U.S. But Europe has figured out how to harness capitalism’s tremendous wealth-creating capacity so that its prosperity is broadly shared. Practices of economic democracy known as “codetermination,” “supervisory boards,” “works councils” and “flexicurity” are crucial to that harnessing. Codetermination allows workers to elect representatives to corporate boards of directors (known as supervisory boards). Half of the board members for the largest corporations in Germany — Siemens, BMW, Daimler and others — are elected by the workers. In Sweden, one-third of a company’s directors are worker-elected. Imagine Wal-Mart’s board of directors having anywhere from a third to half of its directors elected directly by its workers. It’s hard to even conceive of such a notion from the American standpoint. Yet, most European nations employ some version of this. The impact has been immensely significant, and research shows it has fostered a healthy degree of consultation and cooperation between management and workers.

Works councils are the other twin pillar of codetermination. Elected works councils at individual companies allow workers to gain significant input into their working conditions. Works councils, which are separate from labor unions, have real clout. They enjoy veto power over certain management decisions such as redeployment and dismissal of individual employees. They also have “co-decision rights” to meet with management to discuss the firm’s finances, daily work schedules, scheduling of holidays, work organization and other operating procedures; and “consultation rights” in regard to planning for the introduction of new technologies, mergers and layoffs.

Codetermination fosters the right balance of workers’ rights and consultation with robust commerce and entrepreneurship. It is one of the keys to how Europe’s brand of “social capitalism” has managed to harness its economic engine.

Myth 4. Europeans pay more taxes than Americans.

FACT: For their taxes, Europeans receive a seemingly endless list of benefits and services for which Americans must pay extra via out-of-pocket fees, premiums, deductibles, tuition and other charges, in addition to our taxes. For example, many Americans who have health care coverage are paying escalating premiums and deductibles, while Europeans receive health care in return for a modest amount deducted from their paycheck. Other Americans are saving a hundred thousand dollars per child for their college education, yet European children attend for free or nearly so. Millions of Americans are scraping to save the amount they will need for retirement beyond Social Security, but the European retirement system is much more generous. Many Americans pay extra for child care, or self-finance their own sick leave or parental leave after a birth, but Europeans receive all of these and more—in return for paying their taxes. When you sum up the total balance sheet, it turns out that many Americans pay out as much as or more than Europeans — but we receive a lot less for our money.

Myth 5. Europe’s economy will be hurt by its inadequate domestic energy supply and its dependence on Russia for its energy needs.

FACT: Europe’s energy efficiency is the best in the world. As a result of widespread implementation of conservation and renewable technologies, Europe’s ecological “footprint” (the amount of the earth’s capacity that a population consumes) is about half that of the United States for the same standard of living. The European landscape is being transformed slowly by giant high-tech windmills, vast solar arrays, underwater seamills, hydrogen-powered vehicles, “sea snakes,” and other renewable energy technologies. Europe is implementing conservation and “green” design in everything from skyscrapers to fuel-efficient automobiles, high speed trains, low wattage light bulbs, and low flush toilets. Europe has gone both high- and low-tech: It has also developed thousands of kilometers of bicycle and pedestrian paths that are used by people of all ages. In the process, Europeans are creating entire new industries and tens of thousands of new jobs.

As a result of this activity, Europe has reduced its energy reliance on Russia and the Middle East, diversifying its foreign sources of oil and natural gas. The heads of all 27 E.U. nations have agreed to make renewable energy sources 20 percent of the union’s energy mix by 2020 and to cut carbon emissions by 20 percent. For all these reasons, BusinessWeek has stated that Europe is better prepared than the United States for this era of energy uncertainty.

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LIAHASAN11

11:46 AM ET

January 8, 2012

Over the past few years,

Over the past few years, there has been a growing tendency to dub Muslims as terrorists. And leading from the front in this blame game is none other than the superpower, the United States. It is extremely sad that such a tolerant and loving community is being dubbed as behind the terror outfits.

It is gross injustice that the Muslims of this world are being treated as second class. How many of you think that Muslims are behind the terror plots, no matter where they happen? No doubt most of the terror outfits are comprised of Muslims, but is it correct to say that all Muslims are terrorists? If we look at the community as a whole, the Muslims will outnumber almost the rest. Indeed most of the rich nations are Muslim nations.

There are a few misguided youth who have spoilt the spirit of Islam, disturbed the Muslim norms, created havoc in the world, revoked the laws of the land, disturbed peace, affected fraternal relations, and above all marginalised the facets and tenets of the KORAN --the Holy Book-- that has been leading several generations ever since it came into being. It is not just the Muslims that bow before the Koran, I being a non-Muslim, too, bow before the most sacred book, and I have no doubt in saying that millions of non-Muslims treat the Koran as their HOLY BOOK--much like the Geeta of Hindus, the Bible of Christains, and the Guru Granth Sahib Ji of Sikhs. All these sacred, religious books preach their followers fraternity, brotherhood, and love for all --no matter which religion they belong. Wouldn't it have been wonderful, had all of us followed our religion, keeping in mind the sanctity of all other religions?

this is my request to everyone..standby your faith, your religion, your prayer, your worship, your norms, but for God's sake don't use the pious name of God for violence, waging wars, letting bloodshed, diluting sacred human values, massacring men, women, children and old n infirm,---just for the sake of POWER n SUPREMACY over others.

ASK God when, you leave for haven, how correct are those indulging in gross human rights violations just to gain power n prestige just to create dread, fear n havoc in the world.

Muslims are a religious community, who believe in the sanctity n virtues of the Koran n the Prophet --the Great Prophet, who taught them to fight those who kill innocents, to wage a jihad against those who r antihuman-- not against all n sundry..

So, how did Muslims started being dubbed as terrorists? Being a community rich of strength n valor, the powerful Muslim lords saw themselves reaping dividends by ruling over the world. Just this was the beginning...n the rest is history, v much the present--may b d future too.

But can we let the blood of our brethren, n fellow citizens flow like this in suicide bombings, bomb blasts n all such atrocious tactics of the so-called terrorists? The disgruntled few r in a state of dissatisfaction n to satisfy themselves have started waging a war on innocents that they call as jihad. however, they fail to understand that in doing so, they have tarnished the sacred name of ISLAM, n invited criticism from world over..resulting in the world calling the entire Muslim community as associated with terrorists.

For God's sake stop calling Muslims terrorists. They are a community that loves its religion, its God, its Prophet, and upkeep human values. The dissatisfied n misled among them r the real culprits, who need to be justified. I have so many Muslim friends and trust me, they all believe in upkeeping human values, they believe in brotherhood, fraternity, their heart cries at the suicide bombings, their lives r disturbed by terrorist activities. They love humanity, first.

Do you know so many Muslims have died in the suicide bombings and bomb blasts? If the terroists who care so much for their religion, loved their religion n fellow Muslims, will they kill them? Will they place bombs at places where muslims r predominant? will they target muslim locations n habitations?

they have targetted muslim habitations..hyderabad in INDIA is a glaring example, where so many muslims were killed in the blast incide the mosque. such disgruntled elements placed the bombs inside the mosque only to create misunderstanding between different communities so that people fight each other out, which would result in the victory of the terrorists.

A Muslim scholar from Pakistan says: "Our religion teaches us that the murder of an innocent person is the murder of humanity as a whole. "

MUSLIMS r not terrorists. muslims r friends n fellow citizens. please do not mistake such a tolerant community because of a misled few!

 

HANNAWE

10:11 PM ET

February 2, 2012

Foreign Policy

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