There Will Not Be Blood

Across the world, crime is down -- and in a big way. Are violent movies to thank for less real blood and gore?

BY CHARLES KENNY | FEBRUARY 6, 2012

What about harsh punishment? Statistics from MIT psychologist Stephen Pinker's new book on global trends in violence show the United States used to execute more than 100 times the amount of people in the 1600s as it does today -- and yet violence rates then were far higher than today. Think Clint Eastwood's western, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Despite all of the authorized hangings, there was still a lot of unofficial shooting. More broadly, the number of countries using the death penalty has declined worldwide -- along with violent crime rates.

In a survey asking "What Do Economists Know About Crime" for the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), Angela Dills, Jeffrey Miron, and Garrett Summers conclude "economists know little." They suggest that it isn't just incarceration or the death penalty -- any link between lower crime and the number of police, higher arrest rates, and the stock of guns (whether more or less of them) is weak. Studies from Latin America have echoed that longer sentences are not linked to lower crime rates -- although a higher probability of being caught may be related to less violence in the region.

At the same time, for those convinced that crime is a product of poverty and inequality, the recent trends for New York and the nation as a whole also pose a challenge: For all the growing estates of the plutocrats in Wall Street, neither growing inequality nor rising unemployment has reversed the downward path of crime. Similarly, Latin American evidence suggests that while rising inequality might be linked to increased violence in the region, average incomes are not -- richer countries are no safer than poorer ones, all else equal.

What about drugs, then? Interestingly, the NBER survey notes that drug enforcement might increase crime. The authors suggest that "If government forces a market underground, participants substitute violence for other dispute-resolution mechanisms," -- i.e., if they can't go to court to settle their dispute over who gets which street corner, rival drug gangs will shoot each other instead.

New York's experience suggests that it is possible to reduce the violence associated with drugs by taking those disputes off of the street. Franklin Zimring, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, suggests that one important factor behind the decline in homicide in New York was shutting down open-air drug markets. It didn't slow sales, but it did eliminate 90 percent of drug-related killings over turf conflicts. Echoing the recent pattern in New York City, Eisner suggests that the long-term historical decline in Western homicide rates as a whole is associated with "a drop in male-to-male conflicts in public space."

Over the sweep of centuries, Eisner suggests that cultural change -- from "knightly warrior societies" to "pacified court societies" -- is an important factor. So are we just getting more civilized, then? Indeed, the decline in violence coincides with global evidence of converging attitudes towards greater toleration. For example, the proportion of people worldwide who say they wouldn't want to have a neighbor of a different religion dropped from 67 percent to 48 percent between the early 1990s and the mid-2000s. Turn on the television and you'd be sure to think that political dialogue is getting more rancid by day. And it might be, but people's attitudes are actually becoming more pacific and tolerant.

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Charles Kenny is a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development, a Schwartz fellow at the New America Foundation, and author, most recently, of Getting Better: Why Global Development Is Succeeding and How We Can Improve the World Even More. "The Optimist," his column for Foreign Policy, runs weekly.

SUPAH

7:59 PM ET

February 6, 2012

Darn

Dammit, I saw the picture and thought this was going to about the new James Bond movie. I had my Free Itunes Codes ready and waiting to add it to my list.

As for the crime being down, I believe that violent movies are not the cause of it. On the contrary lots of parents believe if their children watch violent movies that they will some how become violent when they are older.

 

WIDGET

2:52 AM ET

February 7, 2012

Violent media

In fairness just because lots of parents believe something doesn't make it true. Scaremongering by the likes of Fox News, the Daily Mail, Keith Vaz MP make people may convince people but they aren't based on any proven scientific data.

However, the same can be said for this article. Whilst violent crime rates are decreasing and this is excellent the article appears to go 'well all the obvious factors can be eliminated why not violent media'. It's an interesting theory but doesn't seem to be backed up by much evidence and there's no mention of other possible factors.

 

DELTA22

10:55 AM ET

February 7, 2012

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I suppose I can't quite speak for other people, but when I see violence on TV, I know it's not real, hence I can enjoy an action movie. If I were to see violence in real life, I'm pretty sure it would not be enjoyable.

 

DMOLONEY

11:33 AM ET

February 7, 2012

"What about harsh punishment?

"What about harsh punishment? Statistics from MIT psychologist Stephen Pinker's new book on global trends in violence show the United States used to execute more than 100 times the amount of people in the 1600s as it does today -- and yet violence rates then were far higher than today. Think Clint Eastwood's western, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Despite all of the authorized hangings, there was still a lot of unofficial shooting. More broadly, the number of countries using the death penalty has declined worldwide -- along with violent crime rates."

Weak correlation equals causation ( i think thats the order) argument, which comes up a lot in this piece :/

 

XENOPHON

1:21 PM ET

February 7, 2012

The Optimist's Deceptive Use of Stats

Kenny says this:

"The authors Gordon Dahl and Stefano DellaVigna looked at data from 1995 to 2004 and concluded that violent movies deter almost 1,000 assaults on an average weekend in the United States."

Here is the actual passage from the linked study:

"Our [Dahl/DellaVigna's] estimates suggest that, in the short run, violent movies deter almost 1,000 assaults on an average weekend. Although our design does not allow us to estimate long-run effects, we find no evidence of medium-run effects up to three weeks after initial exposure."

OK, let's list the discrepancies between Kenny and the study authors:

1. Kenny says the study "concludes"; the study actually uses the word "suggests".
2. Kenny omits any discussion of time horizon; the study includes the key qualifier, "IN THE SHORT RUN."
3. The study goes on to say that any short-run effect does not appear to carry over into the medium-term. Kenny fails to mention this.

This is called cherry-picking data, and it 'aint honest. But when the "Optimist" is involved, should anyone be surprised?

 

BING520

1:45 PM ET

February 7, 2012

crime and its cause

In 60's and 70s. Hollywood tried everything they could to prove viewing violent movies had nothing to do with actual street violence. Now practicing violence fantasy via movie or videogame is the REAL reason for the decline of violence. During Prohibition, there were increased violence and rising crime rate. Why? Because people unable to get drunk have propensity to commit violence act?

Remember a cliche of 60' about lying? If a kid lies, it must be parents show little trust in your kid. So trust a kid 100%, there's a 100% honest kid. It took more 30 years for dedicated seearchers to determine the true motivation and cause of lying by kids. It has little to do with trust. Multipersonality Truddi Chase turned out to be a fraud by the doctor and a journalist after medical record was made public. Bu who cares 40 years later?

Social causation is extremely hard to.establish. Yet, our social scientists would rather present his/her speculation laced with scientific jargons as facts and our media have not been shy to promote outlandisk claims.

Before 2008 Greenspan, Bernanke and Geithner all made bold statements about our perfect financial markets and nothing-could-go-wrong derivatives. Greenspan at least admit some mistakes afterwards. Bernanke and Geithner have never said a word.

Our brilliant social scientists must learn to be serious about themselves. If you don't know it, say nothing. If you suspect a causation, write a cautionary tale. Today they by casual descry rush out outrageous definitive statements to achieve 5-second celebrity status with hope that people will not remember the stupid things they said 2 years ago.

Steve Pinker published a book every 2 or 3 years since 1984. How did he ever find time to conduct a long-term study. He is more a bookseller and a social scientist.

One day I may be able to claim the rising production of corn actuually caused Arab Spring or Kardashian sisters cause Americans to value family. I don't think I can be more wrong than Charles Kenny.

 

URGELT

8:01 PM ET

February 7, 2012

Factors Constraining Violence

The author is out on a limb. Correlation is not causation, particularly not when so many variables remain unexamined.

I'll point to two: the militarization of police and the slide towards authoritarianism. Civil rights are being steadily curbed by courts, Congress and the Administration. Cops have never been so well-armed. Government is harvesting data about citizens like nothing we have seen outside of fictional novels like Orwell's "1984."

Authoritarian governments, "Big Brother" spying on citizens, and well-armed police, it should be acknowledged, do constrain citizen violence. They are scary. Fear is a deterrent. The more authoritarian the US becomes, the more police are objects of fear, the more we should expect civil violence to diminish.

Which is not to say that these trends are an unalloyed good. But the trends are unmistakable, and it's at least valid to consider them as having some explanatory power concerning the downward trend in civil violence.

I'm not prepared to settle for the theory - unproven - that violence in media and games serves as an anodyne for the real thing. I think it's even possible that violence in media and games actually increases civil violence, and that the net downward trend is due entirely to other factors. I'm not sure this hypothesis is true, mind you. But we haven't even begun to rule it out.

 

THE_OBSERVER

3:10 AM ET

February 8, 2012

Life imitating Art

See Mark Wahlberg who said that he would have stopped 9/11 single-handedly if he was on one of those planes:

http://news.yahoo.com/mark-wahlberg-prevented-9-11-185856083.html

 

SDCASAJ

8:51 AM ET

February 9, 2012

Worldwide violence

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Finally an article that tells the truth and goes counter to the fear mongering, hate filled commentaries of BOTH the left and right.

Hey, bad news sells. The very thought of NOT being able to spin something negative about everything must keep many journalist up at night.

Just for today, look around and notice all the good people out there. It's so incredibly prevalent. WARNING: You will be so busy seeing the good, that you'll end up mnissing the latest "crisis" that the media has invented.

 

VERMICIOUS KNID

6:21 PM ET

February 9, 2012

The 60s and 70s

With the collapse of the Hollywood production code after about 1960, movies became dramatically more violent, and yet violent crime didn't increase....
oh wait, it exploded...

I suspect violent movies were not the reason crime exploded in the 60s and 70s. But I suspect its equally questionable to credit them with recent declines. If there is a correlation, it has to with what in my own experience was a major cause of juvenile delinquency - boredom. These days more young guys are spending more time indoors, playing video games, watching movies, downloading internet porn, and screwing around on Facebook. This is making them fat and unhealthy, but it also means that they aren't out in the streets creating mayhem.