The Ticking Clock

Four reasons why -- this time -- you should believe the hype about Israel attacking Iran.

BY ROBERT HADDICK | FEBRUARY 10, 2012

Washington Post columnist David Ignatius created a tempest last week when he reported U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's prediction that Israel will attack Iran and its nuclear complex "in April, May or June." Ignatius's column was as startling as it was exasperating. When the sitting U.S. defense secretary -- presumably privy to facts not generally available to the public -- makes such a prediction, observers have good reasons to pay attention. On the other hand, the international community has been openly dealing with the Iranian nuclear issue for nearly a decade, with similar crescendos of anticipation having occurred before, all to no effect. Why would this time be different?

Further, an Israeli air campaign against Iran would seem like an amazingly reckless act. And an unnecessary one, too, since international sanctions against Iran's banks and oil market are just now tightening dramatically.

Yet from Israel's point of view, time really has run out. The sanctions have come too late. And when Israeli policymakers consider their advantages and all of the alternatives available, an air campaign, while both regrettable and risky, is not reckless.

Here's why:

1. Time pressure

In his column, Ignatius mentioned this spring as the likely deadline for an Israeli strike. Why so soon? After all, the Iranian program is still under the supervision of IAEA inspectors and Iran has not made any moves to "break out" toward the production of bomb-grade highly enriched uranium.

But as a new report from the Bipartisan Policy Center discusses, Iran's uranium enrichment effort continues to advance, even after the Stuxnet computer attack and the assassination of several of its nuclear scientists. According to the report, Iran seems to be successfully installing advanced, high-efficiency uranium-enrichment centrifuges, which foreshadows a significant increase in enrichment capacity and output in the near future. More ominously from Israel's perspective, Iran is now installing centrifuge cascades into the Fordow mountain site near Qom, a bunker that is too deep for Israeli bombs to penetrate.

On-site IAEA inspectors are currently monitoring Iran's nuclear fuel production and would report any diversions to military use. As Tehran undoubtedly assumes, such a "breakout" (tossing out the inspectors and quickly enriching to the bomb-grade level) would be a casus belli, with air strikes from Israel likely to soon follow. Israeli leaders may have concluded that Iran could break out with impunity after the Fordow site is operational and the enrichment effort has produced enough low-enriched uranium feedstock for several bombs. According to the Bipartisan Center report, Iran will be in this position later this year. According to the New York Times, U.S. and Israeli officials differ over their calculations of when Iran will have crossed into a "zone of immunity." Given their more precarious position, it is understandable that Israeli policymakers are adopting a more conservative assessment.

2. Alternatives to military action now fall short

Israeli leaders undoubtedly understand that starting a war is risky. There should be convincing reasons for discarding the non-military alternatives.

The international sanctions effort against Iran's banking system and oil industry are inflicting damage on the country's economy and seem to be delivering political punishment to the regime. But they have not slowed the nuclear program, nor are they likely to have any effect on the timeline described above. And as long as Russia, China, India, and others continue to support Iran economically and politically, the sanctions regime is unlikely to be harsh enough to change Israel's calculation of the risks, at least within a meaningful time frame.

Why can't Israel's secret but widely assumed nuclear arsenal deter an Iranian nuclear strike? Israel's territory and population are so small that even one nuclear blast would be devastating. Israel would very much like to possess a survivable and stabilizing second-strike retaliatory capability. During the Cold War, the United States and the Soviet Union achieved this mainly with their ballistic missile submarine fleets, which were always on patrol and held each others' cities at risk. Israel does not have large numbers of submarines or any nuclear-powered subs capable of long submerged patrols. Nor can it be confident that its policymakers or command-and-control systems would survive an Iranian nuclear first strike.

Even if Iran sought a nuclear weapons capability solely to establish its own defensive deterrent, the outcome would be gross instability in the region, very likely leading to one side or the other attempting a preemptive attack (the Iranian government denies that its nuclear program has a military purpose). Very short missile flight times, fragile early-warning and command systems, and no survivable second-strike forces would lead to a hair-trigger "use it or lose it" dynamic. An Israeli attack now on Iran's nuclear program would be an attempt to prevent this situation from occurring.

JACK GUEZ/AFP/Getty Images

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Robert Haddick is managing editor of Small Wars Journal.

BING520

9:32 PM ET

February 10, 2012

Nuclear

I wonder when Israel will be free of possible nuclear threat. How to prevent an Arab nation from acquiring nuclear weapon? First there was Saddam, then Syria, and now Iran. Will there be any other Arab nation trying to create nuclear bombs in the future? Israel has no friend in ME. Will it ever be able to make friends in ME?

 

VICTORPANAK

3:38 PM ET

February 13, 2012

not if..

It will never make friends in the middle east unless it allows a balance of military force to exist. It has to lose its nukes. It baffles me that Israel still has them. From the perspective of arab nations, Israel is just as unstable as any of the arab nations surrounding it (think the occupation of palestine, etc..), so of course iran is trying to even out the military forces.

 

EL TEL

11:54 AM ET

February 14, 2012

Nuclear

Iran is not an Arab nation.

 

DELTA22

11:30 PM ET

February 10, 2012

-

Netanyahu has a penchant for hysteria and fear-mongering, so why on earth should we believe what he or his right-wing cohorts say about Iran? This guy is even brazen enough to try to get involved in U.S. politics. It's not enough for him that his own country has to take a hard line, but he basically went out and said "we need a Republican in the White House".

 

DILBERT

11:50 PM ET

February 10, 2012

Radioactive Pistachios

The people running Iran's nuclear program better hope there is a world market for these, since just about everything else in Iran will soon be going up in smoke...

 

JAC323

12:33 AM ET

February 11, 2012

Armchair generals. (oh those nutty neocons)!

Sounds like a bunch of old men playing risk, not based on a whole lot of reality. How would Iran be more of a danger than Pakistan? Should we attack Pakistan too? Did we attack the Soviet Union ? A bunch of lemmings heading towards a cliff without the sense to pull back.

 

DANIELESHAGHIAN

9:38 PM ET

February 11, 2012

that's the point

the point is to prevent iran from getting nuclear weapons before they're as big a threat as pakistan.

 

DONALI

3:08 PM ET

February 14, 2012

AGREED!

AGREED!

 

NELSONROSE

5:47 AM ET

February 11, 2012

Strong relationship

In this passage the author is talking about the relations between Arabian countries and America. There are a lot of miss understanding between them. And Israeli leaders know very well that they can not face America in war. The politicians, who are cause of dispute, should stop this. Other wise it will effect all over the world. Many terrorist activities we can see around the world. A person, who wants car cash, thinks more than hundred times about the person who is buying his car.

 

TARQUINIS

10:29 AM ET

February 11, 2012

Israeli attack upon is a global catastrophe

"Might", "could", and "maybe" are not good reasons for another war that would certainly result in vast chaos from Lebanon to Pakistan militarily and politically.

 

TARQUINIS

11:31 AM ET

February 11, 2012

Iran war is Israeli self-destruction

"Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu also criticized economic sanctions against Iran as ineffective and warned that any military strike against the country’s nuclear facilities would inflame the region while doing little to curb Iran’s ambitions. Israeli and U.S. officials have not ruled out military options to impede Iran’s progress. “I am telling you, a military strike is a disaster,” Davutoglu told a gathering at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank. “It should not be an option.”

Zionist posters, in addition to Turkish FM Davutoglu, others have made the case that an Israeli attack on Iran, for reasons of nuclear WMD which they do not have, is not only a disaster for the USA but also for Israel.

"How an Israeli Strike on Iran could radically weaken Israel" from Informed Comment in part, 2/6/12:

1. Iran is now threatening to strike at any third country in the region that aided Israel in an airstrike on Iran. The aftermath is therefore likely to be further conflict in the region.

2. Oil prices will spike. I imagine you could easily see $150 a barrel or maybe even more. This development could throw the US and Europe back into deep recession.

3. Hizbullah would likely launch rockets, causing at least severe inconvenience to some 1/4 of the Israeli public, which might well have to move house again, and possibly much worse...

4. Israel would destroy Lebanon infrastructure in revenge for Hizbullah rocket attacks.

5. The Syria uprising would be over with. It would be impossible for the Syrian National Council to continue to oppose the government and risk being tagged as genuinely Israeli agents. The Baath would be consolidated in Syria.

6. An Iran-Baghdad-Damascus-Beirut axis would be strengthened, allowing for resupply of Hizbullah capabilities. Beirut would be pushed into arms of the new axis. Gulf oil states and Iraq and Iran would quickly rebuild Lebanon.

7. Iraq would be radicalized. PM Nouri al-Maliki in Iraq would have to support Hizbullah and Lebanon or risk losing face inside al-Da’wa and losing backing in parliament of Sadr, al-Hakim and other Shiite religious forces.

8. The European left and liberals would be horrified and unlike in the past could well take action. Remember that the scenario is that Israel, having gone rogue and poisoned Isfahan and maybe other populations with toxic chemicals and radioactivity, went on to destroy Lebanon’s airport, harbor, electricity plants, oil refineries, roads, bridges, etc.

9. The region’s diplomatic dynamics could be changed. The possibility exists of a rupture between Israel and Turkey. It is also possible that Egypt will terminate the Camp David peace accords. The Egyptian military won’t care about the strike on Iran, but the Egyptian public would be horrified by that and by the likely third Lebanon war.

10. Over succeeding years, significant Israeli out-migration could occur by Israelis with sufficient education and training to find jobs elsewhere, who became convinced that the Middle East will just never settle down and be a pleasant environment for them. This development would strengthen the internal position of the Palestinian-Israelis and possibly of the Haredim (who are probably more committed to staying and toughing it out), and weaken the Ashkenazi secular elite.

http://www.juancole.com/2012/02/how-an-israeli-strike-on-iran-could-radically-weaken-israel.html

 

SABABA03

1:55 PM ET

February 11, 2012

It won't happen.

And who told you Israel or U.S. will attack Iran for sure?. Best is to continue the revolution's domino effect into Iran, and have new regime there.

Let the brave Iranians to chose their own secular and democratically elected government, with rationality and sanity with which the rest of the world can communicated and level with. This time with active support from west.

This regime must be removed. there is no other way.

 

FREETHINKER12

3:02 PM ET

February 11, 2012

saba

You assume a new regime wouldnt want nukes as well. Silly isreali.

Persians are fiercely proud people with a rich history. THey ALL want to dominate the middle east as they have many times in the past. They will not submit to the west. This arab spring occured in iran 30 years earlier. Iran-egypt-turkey will make it impossible for isrealis to live as they have in the past. And one war will obliterate ties with turkey and egypt

Oh and the government isnt as unpopular as you guys fantasize......at all

 

SABABA03

8:48 PM ET

February 12, 2012

Iranains

I do concur with you. Iranian young generation are very smart well educated. But the want to live like anyone else - free to express their opinions. free from garbage religious dogma. They do not hate Israelis nor anyone else.

The upcoming revolution in Iran will not succeed without the active support from the West and neighboring Arab countries - most important, Turkey.

One condition for that support, will be an agreement with the opposition forces (much like with Libya), that once they cease power, they will stop all Iran's military program to enrich Uranium, and continue with the civilian program.

Declare peace with its neighbors - including Israel (putting the interest of Iranian people ahead of the Palestinians ones), and the West.

Heck, I read interviews with some Exile Iranians that, in the long run, they will work to eradicate Islam from Iran all together, and restore the Zoroastrian religion there.

 

VICTORPANAK

3:56 PM ET

February 13, 2012

sababa, funny...

it's funny you should insist Iran get a democratic and secular state. Is Israel supposed to be the only religious state in the region? Pro-Israeli policies are decidedly pro-one-religion-dominates-the-region. Why should muslims in the middle east accept this?

 

SABABA03

1:17 PM ET

February 14, 2012

Speak of "religious state".

Your comment is bunch of bull crap.

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and some other Arab & Islamic states have zero Jewish, or Christian citizens.

17% of Israeli citizen are Arab Muslim, Christian and Druze. In fact The Baha'i sect's world HQ is located in Heifa Israel, not in Iran where it was created in the 18th century.

So much for the "religious state" loaded crap.

 

BING520

12:55 PM ET

February 11, 2012

TARQUINIS

You greatly underestimate the willingness of the US to support Israel, exaggerate the possible consequences of an attack on Iran and ignore the divisiveness of the Arab and Muslim world. Nothing in the past can remotely suggest the things you speculate would actually happen.

1) Iran is not reckless. It made bold statements but were careful about real actions. Iran would be cautious, buying its time, building its strength, choosing the right timing for retaliation. Iran is not run by a group of hotheaded reactionaries.

2)Oil price fluctuates. The lasting effect on the world economy must hinge on the the collective effort of majority of oil-producing countries. Iran alone can make only temporary change.

3)Hizbullah lacks strength and power to make real differences. It can only irritate.

4)Syria has its own dynamic. Israel's attack on Iran will not alter Syria's internal conflict.

5)Israel will refrain from any interference into Lebanon. Once it attacks Iran, it would stay put for a while. Israeli politicians have outsmarted Arab leaders for decades and will continue to do so. There is still no Arab leader capable of cold, calculated long-term strategic planning and maneuvers that are needed to succeed in the multi-national politics. Modern-day Saladin is NOT on the horizon.

6)The existence of an Iran-Baghdad-Damascus-Beirut axis requires a Saladin. An attack on Iran is not enough at all.

7)al-Maliki would do just fine. Iraqis would be angry but internal problems will continue to obessed the country. Iraqis did not do much after or upon Israeli attack on Iraq.

8)European liberals would be upset. Take actions? Unlikely.

9)Yes. diplomatic dynamics would change. I simply don't have a way to know for sure how it would change.

10)This is laughable.

 

DEAFBRAIN

2:43 PM ET

February 11, 2012

quite frankly

his speculation rings closer to the predictable unpredictability of man, that your reasoned response.

Simple put, an Israel attack on Iran at this time is guaranteed disaster for world progress.

America will blindly support Israel, because to do otherwise may weaken both their interest and influence in the region. However, America's ability to command the respect(and even fear) needed to lead in the global arena might be tarnished(a second significant time since the Iraq invasion) if evidence emerges that contradicts the attack's rational. And THAT as simple as it may seem, would sow the necessary seeds for unforeseen allies to allign and new best buddies fostered, where it goes from there..is not a majority of good, at least for the US.

Too many blood thirsty war hungry arm chair generals around the world..justifying their actions with boogie man sources. Times like this, the planet feels extremely small and suffocating.

 

FREETHINKER12

3:09 PM ET

February 11, 2012

Henbollah lacks strength and

Henbollah lacks strength and power to make a difference? what? are you serious?

They are 5 times more armed than 2006, with anti air craft weapons and longer range more accurate missiles. They will shut down entire population centers for weeks if not months. Thats more than just "irritating". They also have the means to hit isreali military and air force bases. Why do you think Isreal has been REAL hesitant to do anything in lebanon since 06? Their is the occasional shell/missile/mortar that flies in from southern lebanon and isreal doesnt respond. That means hezbollah is strong enough to deter isreal.

Iran can just let hezbollah bombard isreal for 6 months. They did for 34 days last time with a much smaller/weaker arsenal, and if it wasnt for the ceasefire could have gone on for more weeks. Forget irans ability to launch a massive missile bombardment or arm the taliban causing isreal a huge american backlash, as the US is trying to leave afghanistan.

If it was possible for isreal to hit irans nuclear sites, THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY. In iraq and syria they bombed them before the sites were even fully build. Why are they now waiting until iran is months away from completely mastering the enrichment process? They have ZERO strike ability thats why. They are praying the US will do it

 

BEINGTHERE

1:12 PM ET

February 11, 2012

Hype and ...

Who in the U.S. benefits from keeping it alive? The CIA? Most likely? The usual elected suspects, such as MCain and Graham? Yes. Obama? He's facing reelection with about 64% of potential voters hating the very idea of war.

So if Israel wants to get into with Iran, Obama and Sec. Clinton should make it clear that they stand alone. The American people won't have it. We know it's hype. A war does not benefit us.

 

GRV01

7:17 PM ET

February 11, 2012

Ridiculous

a state that assassinates civilian noncombatant employees and threatens to unilaterally attack another state and they consider themselves our ally?

And what's worse is we enable them to behave in such a way further allowing them to act without consequence and we consider them -our- ally?

 

JOHNBOY4546

10:17 PM ET

February 11, 2012

Curious why you think only Israel can set the pace of escalation

No doubt this academic prattle about "possession of escalation dominance" is all very comforting to those who think they possess it, but it does rather assume that both sides are wedded to the rules of the game.

Excuse me if I point out the obvious flaw: the other side hasn't actually agreed that those are the rules, let alone that they will play by those rules.

What if their response isn't a measured escalation, but instead to immediately take the "Go All Ape Shit On You" option i.e. you launch an air-strike on them, and they immediately respond with Everything They Have, And Quite A Bit More.

Will Israel's Very Cunning Plan look quite so clever then?

 

NICKGP

11:14 AM ET

February 12, 2012

Insanity or "israel first" loyalties?

Anyone who believes and is beating the drums, for starting a PREVENTABLE with Iran, a more catastrophic war than we've had so far, based on a whim or delusional miscalculation by some think tank non-experts, because of what the israelis did in Syria or Iraq, is literally insane. Their credentials, motives and loyalties have to be questioned. A preventable attack on Iran by israel is a guarantee of a war the U.S. will be drawn into, and solely for the most foolish reason of all, the interests of israel. American strategic interests do not require us a lunatic suicide pact with israel, regardless what aipac, the israeli lobbyists, the "israel first" agents and non-expert think tank fools want so insanely and badly!.

 

JOHNBOY4546

8:56 PM ET

February 12, 2012

That's an important point

NICKGP: "for starting a PREVENTABLE with Iran"

A point to remember about this issue is that an Israeli attack on Iran would not be a "pre-emptive" strike at all, but a "preventive" attack.

A "pre-emptive" strike is when your opponent is about to launch himself at you, and so you get in the first punch.

That is not the case here: Bibi, Barak, et al, want to attack to deprive Iran of a c.a.p.a.b.i.l.i.t.y. i.e. to prevent Iran from possessing a weapons that Israel, itself, already possesses.

That's not "pre-emption".

It would be akin to Britain attacking Germany in the 1890s because Bismark and Tirpitz were building slipways that - obviously! - were intended for battleship construction and - obviously! - the Royal Navy could not stand idle while another battle fleet was being built.

It would be akin to the USA attacking the USSR in 1949 because - obviously! - those damn commies were gonna' get a nuke sooner or later and - obviously! - we can't let that happen.

Here's an example of a preventative strike; Pearl Harbor, December 1941.

Not a good role model, guys.
Not good at all.

 

SPOOD

12:05 PM ET

February 13, 2012

Not good examples to use for the current situation

From a tactical POV, Osirak and Syria involved very little flying over unfriendly skies and complete surprise. Israel did not openly threaten to attack either of those sites ahead of time. Syria and Iraq never saw it coming until it was too late.

With Osirak, Israel was able to count upon Jordan not to do very much to impede the attack. Syria is adjacent to Israel.

Iran involves flying over Jordan and a complacent Iraq (not likely) and probably crossing the Persian Gulf, which would draw the attention of at least 2-3 Arab countries and the US operating in the region as well as Iranian coastal defenses.

This is all under an atmosphere of tension and expectation by Iran.

All of this makes a unilateral attack by Israel fairly unlikely. The only way an attack on Iran would work is if the Arab states and the US join in.

 

THEGRANDCHESSBOARD

5:36 PM ET

February 12, 2012

You better hope they dont

You better hope they dont because war with Iran possibly means war with Russia and China and that is a war the US can not win without going nuclear (they dont manufacture anything anymore).

 

FAIR AND BALANCED FREDRICO

12:47 AM ET

February 13, 2012

Cheney/Bush

During 9/11 Boy George was reading "My Pet Goat" to children, while Dead-Man-Walking Cheney was was at the scene of the crime (in the White House bunker) conducting scheduled, simulated war-games to fool NORAD and the FAA into standing down. Isn't it time we put these guys on trial for treason and mass murder?

 

RMWASHERE

5:31 AM ET

February 13, 2012

The problem

It seems that the religious nut jobs in the ME are incapable of sorting this out.

Israel should never have been recreated - but it was so now we have to live with that. I abhor the oppression of the Palestinians and I will never forgive Israel for their behavior last decade.

Iran likes to say stupid threatening things, repetitively.

They are both at fault.

This problem will continue to simmer. Its like two kids pushing each other in the playground, building up the courage to throw a real punch. The best way to deal with such aggression is to cut them off and punch immediately, without any further warnings.

As much as I hate the Jewish religion (I dont hate people, just ideologies), I would understand Israel's decision to nuke Tehran to prove a point about where endless threats will get you.

If it happens, I would agree that Iran asked for it and left Israel with no other choice.

If we could find a way to get rid of all religions (cause lets face it, all religions are a total crock) then a lot of these problems would become manageable.

Irrational beliefs lead to irrational behaviour.

P.S. is it credible that Israel does not really have nukes?

 

FORLORNEHOPE

8:41 AM ET

February 13, 2012

What's really going on here?

There is a real likelihood that over the next few years Iran will develop into the kind of culturally Islamic and democratic state that we can see today in Turkey. That's what most Iranians seem to want. Now, is attacking Iran going to make that more or less likely?

Of course, the real nightmare for Israel is to be surrounded by Turkish style democracies demanding that the Palestinians should either be given a viable state or their own or given citizenship rights in Israel. Attacking Iran would be a completely rational way of putting that off for a bit longer.

 

SPOOD

10:38 AM ET

February 13, 2012

This is still a stupid argument

From a tactical POV an attack on Iran from Israel is fraught with issues which would make it insanely impractical:

1. How many Arab states between Israel and Iran are going to allow Israeli planes into their airspace? [Israel does not have stealth nor would their tanker planes]

2. Iran has probably dispersed much of its enrichment facilities by now or hidden them far enough underground that a single strike won't do much more than create delays

3. Iran probably has adequate AA capabilities. SAMs are cheap.

4. An Israeli strike can only work in complete secrecy in order to make up the difference, logistical considerations demand it has to be a small attacking force. All of this public talk about "When Israel will attack" nullifies this. Iran would just shore up its anti-aircraft defenses around the key sites.

None of this applies to American actions. We have carriers in the region, we have close-by bases on the ground, we have stealth planes and plenty of platforms to lob cruise missiles to anywhere within Iran.

From a strategic POV, the shitstorm would be tremendous and the worst of it is, that it wouldn't even have destroyed Iran's capabilities.

If we are talking about it so openly, its not going to happen.

 

ANISSA81

11:17 AM ET

February 13, 2012

Attacking Iran Is not The Best Conclusion

I think Israel must think twice to attacking Iran, and war is not the best way to solve the problems. International community should actively intervene in finding the best solution to the problem in Iran. War is not the best solution for all of us, that there was damage to both sides and possible problems can be spread widely. Peaceful means remains the best way to solve the problem.

 

SPOOD

3:32 PM ET

February 13, 2012

At this point the US and Arab states would be involved also

The idea that Israel can pull off a decisive strike against Iran's nuclear capabilities is quixotic. Based more on people mistaking thriller novels for reality. Israel's military is good, but they aren't supermen. Israel has neither the logistical ability nor the ideal conditions necessary to make anything of the type remotely plausible.

Any military action against Iran would require assent by the Arab nations and the US. They have the bases, they have the equipment, they have the motive, they have the capabilities.

 

DONALI

3:12 PM ET

February 14, 2012

AGREED!

AGREED!

 

VREME

8:33 PM ET

February 13, 2012

Remember...

What they say is usually the exact opposite of what will happen.

My blog

 

RMWASHERE

9:09 PM ET

February 13, 2012

Re: Remember...

I sincerely hope you are right.

 

MACK46

10:05 PM ET

February 13, 2012

Iran Problem

The real problem is that the Iranian government has vowed to destroy Israel. They have to be taken at their word. If Iran's nuclear capability cannot be destroyed, then Iran's government must. Those who find this possibility unappealing had better hope that Israel is successful against the nukes.
Iran has created the problem and hence subjected themselves to the possibility of the outcome they threaten.

 

KARMENTAPIA

6:31 AM ET

February 14, 2012

Iran Problem

I think Iran should become more strong. And should create nuclear bomb to prevent the Israel.

karmentapia

 

BORDHEAD

11:19 AM ET

February 14, 2012

The Right to Exist

It really comes down to this basic premise, and this is the reason that Israel keeps an arsenal of nukes. This is the same rationale used during the cold war: the nuclear deterrent of guaranteed destruction if the missiles are launched. Unfortunately, the current theocratic regime in Iran is hell bent on eradicating the nation of Israel from the face of the earth. The Ayatollas operate on the complete irrationality of religious fervor, and don't actually give a damn that their own civilization will be wiped from the face of the earth if they nuke Tel Aviv. They are willing to martyr their entire country. Rest assured that geographic region known as Persia would be turned into a sea of fused glass (nukes in the desert) if that ever happens. That is an undeniable fact that many (other than most of the citizens of Israel) conveniently forget about in the contrived rhetoric of diplomacy. So with the Iranians, mutual destruction doesn't seem to a deterrent, and the Israelis are acutely aware of this fact.

 

NXYZZ

6:01 PM ET

February 14, 2012

"fervor"

Totally agree, "irrationality of religious fervor", Iranians have a monopoly on religious fervor. Don't they ?

 

KARENYKARL

12:44 PM ET

February 14, 2012

There will be zero consequences from an Israeli strike

in the Middle East and against Israel. And the Easter Bunny will give every Israeli government official their own pony!

 

KARENYKARL

12:48 PM ET

February 14, 2012

The biggest fear that the Israelis have

about an Iranian nuke is that they'll no longer be the unrestrained bully boys of the
Middle East. Oh, the horrors of nuclear deterrence for Israel! Why they might no longer be able to invade Lebanon any time they wanted to!

 

SPOOD

2:26 PM ET

February 14, 2012

Is Karenykarl Farsi for useful idiot?

Iran doesn't give a crap about Israel or Lebanon any more than they can use either country for some kind of advantage over its Arab neighbors. They would never go to bat over any of their proxy forces if they become a liability.

Iran isn't making a nuke. They are bluffing in order to create an international incident.
Israel's government knows this and is playing it up for their own purposes (to discredit Israeli leftist incumbents).

Israel doesn't have the ability to make a decisive strike. The US and Arab countries do.

 

DUBLIN

4:16 PM ET

February 14, 2012

Israel...on your own

Israel is not a member of NATO so it should match into war with this in mind and stand-up like a man. As an American, Israel is free to engage with any country it chooses but should not blackmail our leaders to fighting it's war.

 

DAVEFROMOREGON

5:08 PM ET

February 14, 2012

who will resign of they are wrong?

This is more a question for American policy people. If an attack happens and the US supports it and we find out that Iran has the same non capacity for WMD as Iraq did, who will resign to face charges of aiding and abetting genocide?

Answers to that question should have been demanded for prior to invading Iraq.

 

BIGDICK12

5:53 PM ET

February 14, 2012

Israel Sucks

Isreal has turned into the fascist dictatorship similiar to the nazis. if they strike and mess up the recovery we should destroy israel.

 

BIGDICK12

5:56 PM ET

February 14, 2012

Genius

You sir are brilliant! I have the utmost respect for your enlightening opinion.

 

CEINOSTUV

6:23 PM ET

February 14, 2012

Poe's Law

Are you so stupid that you can't even switch to a sockpuppet, or is this a joke?

 

CEINOSTUV

6:21 PM ET

February 14, 2012

Israel totally has secure second strike capability

"Why can't Israel's secret but widely assumed nuclear arsenal deter an Iranian nuclear strike? Israel's territory and population are so small that even one nuclear blast would be devastating. Israel would very much like to possess a survivable and stabilizing second-strike retaliatory capability. During the Cold War, the United States and the Soviet Union achieved this mainly with their ballistic missile submarine fleets, which were always on patrol and held each others' cities at risk. Israel does not have large numbers of submarines or any nuclear-powered subs capable of long submerged patrols. Nor can it be confident that its policymakers or command-and-control systems would survive an Iranian nuclear first strike."

Point by point

1) A single Iranian warhead with a yield in the 10-20 kt range detonating over Tel Aviv would kill somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 people, or about 3% of the population of Israel. While undeniably devastating, this doesn't constitute national destruction by any stretch of the imagination. It's also hardly a unique situation -- a single Russian warhead in the 500-1000kt range detonating over London would probably kill a comparable portion of the British population.

2) While Boomers are more survivable than land-based systems, they're not always necessary. Destroying a silo, such as one that could contain a Jericho missile, requires accurately delivering a high-yield warhead -- a few hundred kilotons within a couple hundred meters. Iran's going the be limited to, at most, a few dozen kilotons within a few kilometers for the foreseeable future. Israel also has mobile Jerichos, which even the US would have a hard time targeting if they were patrolled reasonably frequently. These will also be concealed by the presence of conventionally-armed Jerichos, which will be indistinguishable from nuclear-armed ones to Iran. They are also buying two more dolphin-class subs, bringing the total to five, so a continuous undersea deterrent is by no means out of the question (Britain and France each have four boomers).

3) You don't need the whole Knesset to survive to launch a retaliatory strike. During the Cold War, the General on Looking Glass had authority to retaliate in case the NCA couldn't be contacted. I doubt very much that Israel would be unable to build a survivable underground command post, particularly since they'd be dealing with an adversary with limited ISR capabilities, and small numbers of low yield warheads on inaccurate missiles.

 

PULLER58

6:54 PM ET

February 14, 2012

Air strikes & beyond

First, Netanyahu is hardly any better than the previous Prime Minister who was a vainglorious character whose attack on Hezbollah made Israel look inept. The current government in Israel has far too much testoserone to be taken seriously when they have open criticism from recently retired military and intelligence figures over attacking Iran. Second, Iran showed with the war with Iraq that they will put up with a great deal of pain if attacked. (Now if the Israelis were to attack Tehran as Saddam did, the Mullahs might be too fearful of their personal safety to continue a war.) Finally, the US isn't going to do anything to slow Tel Aviv down, so what we may well be seeing is a decade of pain for the US and the West should Israel do this deed. That may well create the sort of fallout that Israel and AIPAC might be unable to weather and still maintain support from the US Congress. And Iran will only continue to push to become a nuclear power. Great.

 

URGELT

5:36 AM ET

February 15, 2012

Israel's Decision

I think the author overlooks a key ingredient in this and prior attacks by Israel against nuclear wanna-be states.

Israel can't afford to act without tacit approval from the President of the United States. Israel's continued existence depends on US aid, US votes in the UN Security Council, and friendly citizens within the US. Threatening that lifeline is not in the cards.

Not have they threatened it with past attacks. I'm quite certain consultations and approvals were features of prior anti-nuclear attacks carried out by Israel. So if you are to predict a 2012 attack on Iran's nuclear facilities by Israel, you can't escape asking the question: will President Obama go for that?

Um, no. Not in 2012.

Iran will not have deployable nukes in 2012. They won't even have enough weapons-grade uranium for their first several warheads until the end of 2012 at the earliest, and sometime in 2013 is more likely. Then they'll have to assemble their warheads and mate them to delivery systems. Crossing the finish line 2014 is far more likely.

Which means that Obama might still have a chance to resolve the whole affair through diplomacy and sanctions pressure. Maybe.

Which is an appealing thought, since war with Iran is certain to trigger an energy and economic crisis throughout the entire world.

So, Obama will tell Israel to sit on their hands in 2012. And they'll do it.

There's another aspect to this story that needs to be considered: if Obama has to go to war with Iran, he will want other Muslim countries in the region to go to war on the US side, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey, and the UAE at the bare minimum. Having Muslim allies makes the conflict not about Islam, and that's important to the Administration. Getting those allies may be possible; few of the Arab countries or Turkey view a nuclear Iran with affection. But if Israel is running military sorties against Iran, siding against Iran may become impossible for those Muslim countries. Their publics may not stand for it.

Obama has no reason to turn loose Israel's leash in 2012.

2013 may bring war. But if it does, I think it's likely that Obama will require Israel to sit it out. The simple truth is that the US wants this issue with Iran to be about nukes. It does not want it to be about Israel.

 

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February 15, 2012

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