China's 'Come to Jesus' Moment

How Beijing got religion.

BY ERIC FISH | FEBRUARY 15, 2012

Twenty-one-year-old Nanjing college student Chu Zhen felt adrift before finding solace in Christianity. "About 30 years ago we had 'Reform and Opening Up,' and almost everything changed," he said. "But we don't know how to accept it."

Four months ago he started going to informal Christian clubs and Bible studies on his campus. "At that time I just wanted to find a belief," he says. "I feared in the future I might do something really bad that I can't undo. So I went to church and we sang songs, told stories. I found peace in my mind."

According to one estimate, around 10,000 Chinese are following suit every day. From under a million Protestant followers in 1949, there are now anywhere from 21 million Chinese Christians by official figures to 130 million by independent estimates. Within the next 30 years, that number could climb as high as 400 million -- equivalent to 20 percent of the world's Christian population. It is difficult to get an accurate estimate on the number of Chinese Christians, though, as many worship secretly in illegal house churches, which government figures don't include.

These underground gatherings attract many Christians because their sermons escape government oversight. This doesn't sit well with the Communist Party, which frequently cracks down on independent churches for fear that they might begin harboring political ambitions. A prominent house church leader recently spent six months in a labor camp, and groups like Beijing's 1,000-member evangelical Shouwang Church regularly face evictions and detentions for defying orders to disband.

If You Build It...

Across town from Chu's campus in Nanjing, the government has funded the construction of an officially sanctioned 5,000-person Protestant church, one of China's largest. And the U.S.-based Christian group International Cooperating Ministries reports to have assisted in building 292 churches across China in recent years -- with the government's blessing. While this is partly in hopes of drawing followers away from underground churches, it might also be with the understanding that Christianity could be good for China's economic development.

"Christianity is seen as useful from the official point of view because it's not just about acting morally as an individual and being a good citizen. It's about the work ethic," argues Wielander, adding that there seems to be an attraction to the argument that Protestantism curbed excesses like greed and corruption in the market economy of the West during the early stages of capitalist development.

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Eric Fish is a writer in Beijing.

KEYBASHER

10:05 AM ET

February 16, 2012

Divine punishments?

""Fear of supernatural punishment may serve as a deterrent to counternormative behavior, even in anonymous situations free from human social monitoring,""

Some call it "superstition." Others call it "guilt."

 

STUART700

12:10 PM ET

February 16, 2012

China's move to Christianity

You cannot suppress what’s in peoples hearts. China has for years tried to suppress religion and Christianity in particular, it was the oppressive government that was atheist.
The Christian church has always flourished when it's being oppressed, consider what was achieved under the Romans. If a government really wants to weaken and destroy religion they have to emancipate and liberalise it. Christian countries like the US and UK grew strong and prosperous as faith and ethical values were held as important and a subsequent decline in these values has seen a corresponding decline in these once great nations. China is on the brink, lets hope for Chinas sake it gets it right, all that glitters is not gold or even metal.

 

BETALOVER

2:31 PM ET

February 16, 2012

US not a Christian Nation

I am not a Christian and I am an American.

For the USA to be on a higher moral ground to preach to China on religious freedom:

First, erase "In God We Trust" on our currency. It is an appalling affront to the non-believers. This is an exclusionary and arrogant hubris of the majority to demonstrate its dominance. The Chinese currency has five minority languages but the greenback does not even have Spanish but the disgusting hubris from the majority to expressly slight the minority. The renminbi does not have “No God “printed on it.

Second, get rid of the expectation of invoking hypothetical aid of deity in our court of law during deposition and testimony. The so-called God does not help or do anything. This expectation on a free-thinking witness is an arrant insult.

Third, stop state sponsored prayers in Congress.

Fourth, stop invoking deity in the swear-in ceremony of elected officials. The invocation of deity on official time is an appalling insult to the non-believers, hurtful particularly to those who voted for the official.

“The Christian church has always flourished when it's being oppressed”

If this is true, religious persecution is unlikely in China or anywhere else and religion does not need state promotion to be viable. Therefore, the state should not promote religion.

 

MIKEM

5:33 PM ET

February 16, 2012

SOOO Oppressed!

Betalover, you American atheists sure are oppressed. If you turn on CSPAN, you might suffer the grave injury of hearing a prayer. My heart bleeds for you.

 

BETALOVER

1:38 PM ET

February 20, 2012

Sense of justice

If you have any sense of justice you should precisely grieve for me.

Does the "We" in "In God We Trust" include me?

This is a very basic question of inclusiveness.

Either "We" does not include me or the religious majority feel the arrogance to put words in my mouth, to stamp its hubris on me.

Would the religious resented "We do not trust God"
?

 

BETALOVER

2:10 PM ET

February 20, 2012

Renminbi

The Chinese RMB note does not have any inference to religion, it does not have "We don't believe god exist".

It has the languages of five more numerous ethnic minorities while the greenback does not even have English but the arrogant hubris of the religious majority 'In God We Trust".

Does the majority really need to stamp its hubris on the minority? Can the USA be more inclusive of the non-believers?

Symbolism matters.

 

MIKEM

5:44 PM ET

February 16, 2012

Irony

I certainly don't want to discourage China from ceasing their oppression of religious people, or from facilitating the growth of Christianity (as long as its done justly and without coercion), but it seems like they're reasons for doing these things are flawed.

The Chinese have shunned religion because it's supposedly "the opiate of the masses." Now they want to embrace it because they think that their people could use an opiate. They seem less interested in ending state oppression and more hopeful that Christianity will "dull the pain of oppression," as Marx said it does.

Unfortunately for the Chinese government, Christianity hasn't proven to be a particularly good pacifier. The CCP might look to the history of their neighbors in Korea for some lessons about what happens when Christian churches grow under a repressive regime.

 

BETALOVER

1:41 PM ET

February 20, 2012

Chinese culturally secular

The fervent "opiate of the masses" is only of historical interest.

More basic is that the Chinese culture has been predominantly secular, very much more so than all or nearly all cultures on earth.

 

LLOYDDCOLBERT

4:22 AM ET

February 17, 2012

I feel sad for China..

As a Catholic, I feel sad about what has happened to China. I witnessed that video of a little girl ran over by a van with a lot of bystanders around not giving any help to the helpless girl. They Genomma Lab need to be taught Christianity so they know the real value of life. I felt sad, really why people in China turned out to be like this! God help them!

 

BETALOVER

1:48 PM ET

February 20, 2012

cell phone mentality

may be you draw too much conclusion from this.

It was also possible that the cell phone mentality caused everyone to presume that someone else has called.

 

STLSYCLYW

10:56 AM ET

February 17, 2012

Betalover nonsense

I am a Believer in Christ Jesus. I am an American.

I agree with you that the US isn't a Christian Nation anymore. However, this does not mean we need to erase the mention of God from the public arena for your personal satisfaction. You might want to forget all about God, but many still seek him including those working in the public sector. Celebration of the freedom of religion (or no religion) is a priviledge of America. Creation of an atmosphere to remove all mention of God from the entirety of the public sphere is just as radical as proposing there be one "legal" religion in a State. Atheists or non-believers aren't the only ones who get offended on a daily basis because of their world-view.

Also, the naturalist or atheistic world-view does nothing to create an atmosphere of objective thought. Those who hold this world-view retain as much of an exclusive position as the Christian or Muslim. You are just as emphatic in your desire to denounce God, not pray nor mention his existence and live life for yourself where you presume to be in control of all things (even if you won't admit it). Perhaps one day you'll see things differently.

Have you ever wondered why you get so easily offended and frustrated by a deity you are certain does not exist? Typically if I think something is nonsense, I give it little thought.

 

BETALOVER

1:46 PM ET

February 20, 2012

Does "We" in "In God We Trust" include me?

"However, this does not mean we need to erase the mention of God from the public arena for your personal satisfaction."

No, I am not saying so.

I am saying no mention of god under government sponsorship. I am saying Separation of Church and State.

I simply as you this: does "We" in "In God We Trust" include me?

Yes or no?

 

BETALOVER

1:54 PM ET

February 20, 2012

Does god help in court of law?

Why do we still require witnesses to cite deity in testimony or deposition?

Why do we still say "so help me god"?

What is the implication? Does it take deity for testimony or deposition to be credible?

There is a very disturbing implication that belief in deity is a prerequisite to truthfulness.

This has been extremely imputative of guilt on the non-believer.

 

BETALOVER

2:02 PM ET

February 20, 2012

Upfront insult on non-believers daily

There is quite of upfront insult daily on the non-believers in the USA.

Admit it while you attemp to justify it.

I will never vote again unless for one we states that he or she will not cite deity when swearing into office.

The citing of deity on offical capacity is quite insulting to the non-believer.

Emotional consideration dictates that I am a single issue voter, or potential voter. Voting is moot for me. I will unlikely participate again; such is my statement.

 

BETALOVER

5:57 PM ET

February 20, 2012

Who persecute religious minority more

if either China or USA does?

May be one has to use a calculator to count the items of religious repression in China and the USA.

China requires churches to register, places limits on some religious practices, and seeks to limit the power of religious organizations.

The USA slights the non-believers daily, stamps the arrogant hubris of the religious majority onto the minority in "In God We Trust", put words in the non-believers' mouth by the obligatory need of use of currency. The USA legitimizes exclusionary mentality, with the proclamation that one who does not believe in god or trust god is NOT American, not among ‘US”.

The USA openly assaults the honesty and denigrates the character of the non-believers in the American court of law.

The USA deters non-believers' participation in elections by requiring elected officals to cite deity during swear- in ceremonies on official capacity, to frustrate and emotionally hurt the non-believers and induce them to not vote.

 

BETALOVER

6:00 PM ET

February 20, 2012

Don't scream god in my face with the aid of the government

if I don't scream no-god in your face with the aid of the government.

This is called separation of Church and State. Live with it if Americans want to preach to China or any other country about religious freedom.

Is this not patently obvious?

 

CRASHLANDER

2:21 PM ET

February 21, 2012

Beijing is shortsighted

Beijing is short-sighted. Just because the old moral code doesn't work, it doesn't mean that you jettison your whole cultural history and throw the baby out together with the bathwater. The thinking that Christianity led the West to modernize is flawed at best. The Enlightenment that grew out of the Reformation and the Rennaissance, allowed the West to industrialized. The Enlightenment happened in spite of religion, not because of it. Even if it were true that Christianity single handedly industrialized the West, did Beijing seriously think they can just graft an imported religion and expect the same result? If so, why isn't Russia or Ethiopia or Brazil as industrialized? A better model would be Japan - graft modern infrastructure to your existing culture.

From a real-politik calculation, I suppose they didn't think that by embracing a religion typically associated with the West, they would in fact be injecting an additional combustive religious layer to the current (secular) civil strife in the Buddhist Tibet and the Islamic Xinjiang?

Beijing should learn the real lessons of the West - clear line of separation between Church and State, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of the press if they really want a sustainable great nation.

 

BETALOVER

5:30 PM ET

February 21, 2012

Basically secular China

"Beijing is short-sighted. Just because the old moral code doesn't work, it doesn't mean that you jettison your whole cultural history and throw the baby out together with the bathwater. The thinking that Christianity led the West to modernize is flawed at best."

I think you get it wrong.

China does not regard Christianity as superior.

It is a matter of reality that some human beings have need for a sense of security that is subjectively more lasting and less earthy.

This is a sociological reality and China has to face it.

Separation of Church and State is the ideal except when there must be reaction to those who do not think so, those who act to use and viewed as likely to use organized religion to affect the state, even its definition or defined boundary, against whom no govt can refuse to react.

Plus we hound them on the religious freedom thing and they do want to have a better image worldwide, as long as they can possibly accomodate the West. Engagement works to a good extent.

 

BETALOVER

5:35 PM ET

February 21, 2012

"Beijing should learn the

"Beijing should learn the real lessons of the West - clear line of separation between Church and State, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of the press if they really want a sustainable great nation."

The West that you refer to pertains the least to the USA, the most to some parts of Europe such as Sweden.

 

KURT

10:36 AM ET

February 22, 2012

it's not possible to separate church from state in china

in china, the state, in other words, the party controls everything. it's simply impossible to separate church from state.

 

BETALOVER

1:00 PM ET

February 22, 2012

Not true

I think China currently has more separation of church and state than the USA for sure.

There is built-in separation of church and state in atheism, but China's experience is more complex because the religious people from the West behaved very badly in China wrt their religion and such is part and parcel of China's sorrow for over a century; in response there was a certain anti-religion fervor in China. Communist has been a small part of this equation.

After the dust settles, atheism is a very calm and logical approach to life and is not conducive to extremism. It is hard to get excited about nothingness unless driven by the majority's arrogant imposition of god on the atheists.

To be 100% honest, god will never be any part of my thoughts in my daily life if not because of the overt daily insult from the religious. In fact, for a long time I just ignored the insult, but more lately such insult is getting to me. Such insult has become more salient, perhaps since I started visiting China since the 1990s. The crisp and logical way of the Chinese wrt religion is refreshing and delightful.

 

BETALOVER

3:05 PM ET

February 22, 2012

Insteading of expecting

Insteading of expecting elected official to cite deity during swear-in ceremony, the USA should expect them (especially the federal branch) to swear, without citing deity, that they will divorce religion from decisions they make on behalf of the USA on issues foreign and domestic.

 

ANDYCOX

5:30 AM ET

February 24, 2012

China is state capitalist, not communist

China's warming to Christianity, if anything, underscores the very capitalistic nature of its economy. (See http://andycox1953.webs.com/)
It always amazes me that people are blithely indifferent to or unaware of the fact that any state in which there exists commodity production (the production of goods and services for sale in order to realise a profit), money, wages, profits, and private or state ownership of the means of production is, ipso facto, a capitalist state. China is clearly a capitalist country. Its decitful pretense that it is 'communist' or, indeed, a 'People's Republic', is no more than an attempt to legitimise the authoritarian regime of its bourgeois nomenklatura. True communism entails free access to all goods and services, common ownership of the means of production, genuine democracy, and the greatest possible liberty. That China should style itself as 'communist' is therefore rather like the emperors clothes, and I guess with its growing inequality, that line is beginning to wear a bit thin, which may explain why it is casting around now for a more workable ideology. Marx was absolutely right: ''Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.'' How profoundly true of a country where millions of workers are paid a pittance, subjected to the harshest of working conditions, and sometimes compelled to live cheek by jowl in large company dormitories from which they can be summoned to the factory floor in the middle of the night when a new order arrives.

 

BETALOVER

12:28 PM ET

February 24, 2012

Give China time

"How profoundly true of a country where millions of workers are paid a pittance, subjected to the harshest of working conditions, and sometimes compelled to live cheek by jowl in large company dormitories from which they can be summoned to the factory floor in the middle of the night when a new order arrives."

This is what our great-grand parents and grand parents experienced.

Also the people of Singapore and Hong Kong just 40-50 years ago. Sweat shops were plentiful in the Asian Tigers. Now these places have first world income.

Give China time.

The masses will have greater aspirations and expectations with juxtaposed with standards of industrialized nations.

 

BETALOVER

12:36 PM ET

February 24, 2012

"Such insult has become more

"Such insult has become more salient, perhaps since I started visiting China since the 1990s. The crisp and logical way of the Chinese wrt religion is refreshing and delightful."

There is certainly another reason, in addition to visiting secular China, that caused the daily insult from the religious majority to become more salient.

It is the abject situation that we are in as a country made possible by the religosity in American politics. Our religosity induced blunder in the ME is causing American decline. The trillion spent in the wars should lhave been used for infrastructure development and renewal here. There is no reason to be so deeply involved in the ME.

 

RON PLYMEL

11:09 PM ET

March 15, 2012

China approach religious

In my opinion, religion is good for development. I am an American people, I also a christian. This is the reason why i agree and like when numbers of christian more and more develop in the China. You know the major religion in china is Buddhism. Buddhism have developed for many year. I think religion is good to create a good person and Christian also have done it well which will help you to improve yourself. Make you how to become a nice person and how to please the others

 

RON PLYMEL

11:11 PM ET

March 15, 2012

China approach religious

In my opinion, religion is good for development. I am an American people, I also a christian. This is the reason why i agree and like when numbers of christian more and more develop in the China. You know the major religion in china is Buddhism. Buddhism have developed for many year. I think religion is good to create a good person and Christian also have done it well which will help you to improve yourself. Make you how to become a nice person and how to please the others

 

BETALOVER

3:41 PM ET

March 19, 2012

Major religion in China is not Buddhism

A major religion in China does not exist.

The Chinese are predominnatly secular.

Many people automatically view blind faith as necessary to happiness and thus natural for any society....not for China.

Human beings can be happy without blind faith, such can be the natural state of a civilization.

There is nothing wrong with being unnatural, but not all cultures view faith as necessary to happiness.