Replacing Mubarak

Amr Moussa is nothing if not a political survivor. As he prepares to contend Egypt's upcoming presidential election, he talks to Foreign Policy about his views toward Israel, the military's role in politics, and Obama's first term in office.

INTERVIEW BY ADEL ABDEL GHAFAR | FEBRUARY 15, 2012

FP: The massacre that occurred in Port Said is currently under investigation, and there are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding the events there. What are your initial impressions of what occurred in Port Said?

AM: What occurred is not normal. A city has a football team, and its team wins; why does this chaos occur? People should celebrate after winning, not kill each other.

Setting aside conspiracy theories, what happened was politically motivated and was intended to create chaos. When 74 people die and hundreds are injured in a sporting event, it simply doesn't add up. You can call it a conspiracy theory -- whatever you call it, it is clear that there is a group that encourages chaos in Egypt.

These violent incidents have occurred at the Balloon Theater, Maspero [the state television building], Mohamed Mahmoud Street, Parliament Street, Port Said -- then the most recent clashes on Mohammed Mahmoud Street again. Six incidents, no proper investigation with a clear outcome, no report. This attitude has to stop. The families demand answers, and we as citizens also demand to know what happened.

FP: As you note, there were more clashes on Mohamed Mahmoud Street following the Port Said massacre. How do you suggest that Egypt avoid such violence in the future?

AM: I believe that the revolutionaries of Jan. 25 are not the ones responsible for the latest clashes. There are forces of chaos that have infiltrated the lines of the revolutionary forces. When I watched on TV people climbing the tax department building and attempting to put it on fire -- this is not a revolution; this is chaos.

The people responsible for chaos should be dealt with using the full force of the law, and the state has to be present to prosecute them. It is unacceptable that the state use live rounds and victims fall, but nonetheless the state has to be forceful in bringing those responsible to justice through legal prosecution.

FP: You mention the revolutionaries. Are there tensions between yourself and the revolutionary forces?

AM: No. First of all, there are a lot of different revolutionary forces, and I have relations with several of them. Perhaps some of them have the point of view that I was a foreign minister during the previous regime, and so on, but that does not mean that all revolutionary forces perceive me this way. I have very good relations with several of these forces and we meet frequently.

FP: What do you think of U.S. President Barack Obama's first term in office?

AM: In all honesty, I am disappointed.

FP: If he is reelected, do you think that this would give the United States another opportunity to show renewed international leadership?

AM: Our previous experience shows that there are no differences, or only minor differences, between the first term of an American president and his second.

However, from what I know of other candidates, should I be eligible to vote in the United States, I would have voted for Obama. Some of the other candidates have really strange ideas about Arabs. For example, look at what Newt Gingrich said about Palestine, when he stated that there are no Palestinian people. These positions are unacceptable and cannot be reasoned with.

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 SUBJECTS: MIDDLE EAST
 

Amr Moussa is an Egyptian presidential candidate and a former Egyptian foreign minister and secretary-general of the Arab League.

Adel Abdel Ghafar is a Ph.D. student at the Australian National University. Follow him on Twitter @dooolism.

This interview has been edited and condensed.

KINGFISHER

8:03 AM ET

February 16, 2012

REPLACING MUBARAK

Have gone through the context of the interview by Adel Abdel Ghafar of Amr Musa , found it interesting that Musa expressed his views to the questions candidly with his experience as a Foreign Minister. If he is put to get the Presidency with the help of the protestors and the political parties then it is expected that he would be able to make a valuable contribution to steer the country safely to the shore as a friendly Egypt under the existing apprehensive atmosphere of doubt and animosity in the entire Mid- East region.

A mention is necessary to the fact is that he may need initial guidance on important issues but never to be put in the pocket of Israel as it is likely that he would be quite acceptable for peace in the region but definitely not likely to work exactly as Mubarak.

However, if he at all becomes the president of Egypt and military ,must back to the barracks and help him to independently work for the country..

 

LLOYDDCOLBERT

10:14 AM ET

February 17, 2012

I support!

I support AM's vision on leading Israel to the democratic state instead of the usual parliamentary government. People need independence in order to Genomma Lab grow well. Democracy enables people to love their country more as they won't feel being held tight in their necks. I support you Amr Moussa!

 

DRAGONSEOMAN

11:58 PM ET

March 14, 2012

Amr Moussa is a good candidate for the presidental position

Personally, after watching a lot of news feed as well as doing a few researches of my own about this man. I think he might actually a good candidate for the presidency, at least for the situation in Egypt right now. He is the forerunner and the figure head of the last regime when the revolution on the web 2.0 sites break out and he know well about the situation of his own country. Well, let's see what we can turn out from the next election in Egypt.