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Separated at Birth

Indonesia's transition to democracy can tell us a lot about the likely course of Egypt's revolution. There's good news and there's bad news.

BY JOHN T. SIDEL | FEBRUARY 15, 2012

Needless to say, Indonesia and Egypt also differ in some important respects. Unlike Indonesia, the uneasy interregnum in Egypt since the fall of Mubarak has unfolded under direct military rule. In Indonesia, secular political parties -- like the old regime's Golkar and even Megawati Sukarnoputri's PDI -- played a major role in the transition to democracy. In Egypt, by contrast, weak secular political parties failed to play a significant role in the first post-Mubarak parliamentary elections, thus leaving the field open to Islamic party dominance. And there is another notable divergence. In Indonesia, the more traditionalist Islamic institutions remained autonomous from the government, while ambitious modernist Islamic groups were increasingly co-opted by the state over the long Suharto years. In Egypt, by contrast, established centers of Islamic learning like Al-Azhar University were subordinated to state control, while the Muslim Brotherhood retained its independence, thus making modernist Islam a powerful autonomous force in society before and after the fall of Mubarak.

But given the important parallels and instructive precedents, how should Egyptians and others concerned about Egypt's future learn from the Indonesian experience? On the one hand, Egyptians and other interested observers of Egyptian politics should not allow current fears of the "Islamist threat" to dilute support for a continued transition from authoritarian rule to democracy, to accept any attempts by the military to constrain the powers of elected civilian officials, or to embrace military intervention in the upcoming presidential elections. On the other hand, Egyptians and others who claim to care about Egyptian democracy should push hard now to make the most of available democratic space to insist on a new constitution, a presidential election, and wide-ranging institutional reforms. Otherwise, in years ahead, Egyptians may look back on 2011-2012 with the same disillusionment -- and the same sense of missed opportunity -- that is widespread in Indonesia today.

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John T. Sidel is the Sir Patrick Gillam Professor of International and Comparative Politics at the London School of Economics and Political Science.

URGELT

12:34 AM ET

February 17, 2012

Yes, But...

A very cogent piece, well-reasoned.

I'd like to emphasize that there is one wild variable present with respect to Egypt that is not a factor (or, at most, a very insignificant factor) in the evolution of Indonesian politics: Israel. An Israel, in fact, in the hands of right-wing hardliners who are carrying out a policy of disenfranchised apartheid, economic strangulation and land seizures against the descendants of the former citizens of Palestine, who are - stating the obvious here - Muslim.

The nearby presence and activities of Israel, and the radicalized Palestinians and Iranian and Syrian proxies who oppose that presence and those activities, could be seen as a goad to the radicalization of Muslims in Egypt. Some radicalization has, in fact, happened in Egypt, but it was squashed by Mubarak, kept at a low simmer. Autarch though he was, Mubarak was committed to a secular state and was uninterested in untangling the 'problem' Israel poses for its Arab neighbors. With Mubarak out of the way, it's unclear if those policy positions will be sustained, or to what degree.

There are, however, signs of strain between the two countries that were not present when Mubarak ruled Egypt. We shall see how that develops.

I will refrain from predicting the development of an Egyptian theocratic state based on sharia law. In fact, I will refrain from making any predictions at all. I have no idea where Egypt is headed. But wherever that is, I'm pretty sure that Israel will be a large influence, and that's an influence that simply wasn't significant in Indonesia's political evolution since throwing off its own autarch.

Comparing the two nations might be a bit like comparing twin horses, very much alike in many respects, but only one of them has a huge burr under its saddle and is considerably irritated by it.

 

SHANDA HABERSHAM

10:28 PM ET

March 15, 2012

Egypt

In my opinion, Egypt goverment need to have new policies to control policies about economic, business and religious . This is the way for Egypt
to prevent the economy crisis, crimes, evil and violence.....I hope that in the future Egypt goverment will have right direction to develop to develop country and stablize the economy...