Iran Is the Great Distraction

Why Obama and Netanyahu are having the wrong conversation this week.

BY DAVID ROTHKOPF | MARCH 5, 2012

Iran has called America the Great Satan. Israel has called Iran an existential threat. For both the United States and Israel, whose leaders are meeting Monday to discuss how to handle Tehran's nuclear program, Iran should be called the Great Distraction.

By focusing on Iran, indeed by having some among Israel's top leaders seemingly obsessed about it, Israel is ignoring (or seeking an excuse to ignore) the real existential threats on and within its own borders -- demographic, social, and economic. By allowing Iran to occupy too much bandwidth, American leaders have also taken their eye off the ball. There are far greater national security threats and opportunities that require attention right now, from fixing the broken U.S. economic model to exploring the potential for a sound energy policy in order to both strengthen that economy and dramatically reduce the leverage and thereby the relevance of regimes like the one in Tehran.

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This is not to suggest that Iran's nuclear program is not a cause for concern. Every available means short of an all-out war should be used to stop Iran from getting the bomb. But even with regard to Tehran's dangerous and expanding weapons efforts, the approach to addressing the problem shows a misplaced focus.

Israel speaks of the threat of a nuclear Iran as though it were something new and destabilizing. It is not. At the same time, the greatest threat it does pose is not being effectively addressed, while lesser ones are.

Iran is hardly the first of Israel's enemies to seek or even possess nuclear weapons capabilities. For the entire Cold War, Israel, as a vital U.S. ally in the Middle East, was vulnerable to nuclear attack from the Soviet bloc. Iraq and Syria, of course, sought nuclear weapons capabilities, and some of the countries that supported them in that endeavor remain a threat. One country that has represented such a proliferation threat in the broader region and is at least as great a state sponsor of terrorism as Iran is Pakistan -- a country with many more weapons than Iran could have for decades and one that is far less stable.

Senior Israelis have also correctly pointed out, as did Amos Yadlin, a former Israeli military intelligence chief in March 1's New York Times, that one cannot stop a country with sufficient economic and industrial resources from getting a bomb within a matter of a few years from making the decision to have one. Even a successful raid on Iran is likely to only delay that country's acquisition of nuclear weapons. At the same time, any failed raid is likely to only strengthen the Iranian regime, inflame the region, and, potentially, reveal in ways damaging to both the United States and Israel the limits of Israeli power.

Aaron Showalter-Pool/Getty Images

 

David Rothkopf, CEO and editor at large of Foreign Policy, is author of Power, Inc.: The Epic Rivalry Between Big Business and Government -- and the Reckoning That Lies Ahead.

REALREALIST

1:02 PM ET

March 5, 2012

more bad news out of germany, japan and sweden

http://www.debka.com/article/21794/

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/03/04/north-korea-nuclear-warhead-test-for-iran/

http://nknews.org/2012/03/german-paper-north-korea-tested-nuclear-warhead-for-iran/

http://bnn-news.com/die-welt-iran-nuclear-tests-north-korea-52387

 

ANTIMKO

1:12 PM ET

March 5, 2012

Propaganda Much?

These stories are as credible as Kim Jun Il's democracy.

 

REALREALIST

1:14 PM ET

March 5, 2012

im sorry you dont like the news....

I didnt write it, I just am pointing out whats in the news today. many sources are reporting it.

 

JOHNBOY4546

6:44 PM ET

March 5, 2012

"many sources are reporting it."

But are any of them reputable?

Certainly not debkafiles. Definitely not commentarymagazine.

Apparently there is only one source for this news: Welt am Sonntag.

That newspaper was fed this "scoop" from the all-too-familiar "Western intelligence sources", who then "confirmed" that news to debka.com

Everything from then on is merely Chinese Whispers e.g. nknews.org (who I'd never heard of before) is merely repeating the article from commentarymagazine, who heard it from a blogger, who read it in an Austrian newspaper....

Sounds like a whole pile o' nonsense to me: some spooks giving some misinformation to the Austrians, and then making sure that debkafiles runs with it as hard as it can.

But the rule-of-thumb should be this: if debkafiles runs with it then it's false, because that site is a front for IDF propaganda.

 

JOHNBOY4546

6:50 PM ET

March 5, 2012

Hmmmmm, I like this bit from debkafiles.....

"b) In late April, Tehran shipped to Pyongyang a large quantity of uranium enriched to 20+ percent – apparently for use in the May test."

And where did Tehran get that uranium from?

There are only two places in Iran where uranium is enriched to 20%: Natanz and Fordo

Both are under 24/7 inspection by the IAEA, and every gram of low-level uranium that goes into those places is accounted for, as is every gram of 20% uranium that emerges from the other end of those cascades.

If "a large quantity" of that end-product went missing then the IAEA would know about it within a week, yet debka is claiming that this diversion of material has remained undiscovered for over 10 months.

That. Is. Not. Possible.

The IAEA continues to confirm that there has been **no** diversion of **any** enriched uranium from **any** of the Iranian facilities that are under IAEA supervision.

 

MOHAMEDABED

12:51 AM ET

March 6, 2012

Haha

"that is not possible" - great response johnboy. We shouldn't take debkafile seriously, but we should take you seriously based on your biased postings.

"But the rule-of-thumb should be this: if debkafiles runs with it then it's false, because the site is a front for IDF propaganda."

-----Really? Prove it. Let's see the direct connection between debkafile and the IDF. You can't prove it. you speak out of your ass like always. Idiot.

 

JOHNBOY4546

3:53 AM ET

March 6, 2012

"Let's see the direct connection between debkafile and the IDF."

I see that the very concept of a "front organization" defeats you.

Look, debkafiles exists for one reason and for one reason only: to peddle the sort of nonsense that would make even Mark Regev blush.

You think otherwise?
Man, are you ever dumb....

 

JOHNBOY4546

4:00 AM ET

March 6, 2012

"but we should take you seriously based on your biased postings.

No, we should take that statement seriously because the IAEA has **always** reported that not a single gram of enriched uranium has entered either Natanz or Fordow that hasn't been fully accounted for when it emerges at the other end.

It simply is not possible for Iran to have hidden away any large amounts of 20% enriched uranium in order to ship it to North Korea.

Q: Why not?
A: Because if they can do that then they must have a "secret Fordow" that the IAEA don't know about.

Q: And that means?
A: If they have such a secret facility then they don't NEED to send that uranium to North Korea; they can enrich it to weapons-grade at their "secret Fordow".

Honestly, some people are just too stupid for words.....

 

MOHAMEDABED

11:07 AM ET

March 6, 2012

more blubbering bullshit from Johnboy

"Look, debkafiles exists for one reason and for one reason only."

----Again, please prove that it is a "front organization" for the IDF as you said. You seem quite confident that it's some wing of the "IDF" so please prove it. Your explanation that it would make "Mark Regev blush" does not constitute evidence.

So, before you go slandering sites and people, please back up your assertions. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your ass, as you normally do.

 

JOHNBOY4546

9:29 PM ET

March 7, 2012

Well, duckie......

"If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, then what is it? That's right. It's a duck. But this duck is an IDF duck!"

If you are going to attempt to shoot that argument down (please, go right ahead) they you just *know* what comes next, don't you?

That's right: I'll point to to a recent little speech by Someone You Know, and then I'm going to ask you to run your argument over his line of reasoning......

 

REALREALIST

1:12 PM ET

March 5, 2012

obama has no red lines...only his re -election matters to him

rothkopf, if iran gets nukes then all of your prognostications for your economic fixes and a healthier fiscal amera will be smashed....

who do you think your kidding? you really think obama will use the military if need be? I dont. I think he ONLY cares about getting past 2012....

as for his energy policies, using algae in your car is not a solution...lol....

the keystone debacle and chiu wanting european gas prices are indicative of just how misguided americas energy policy is under obama. Solar stuff like solyndra? thats gonna solve the dependency on oil? ha!

this admin could not be more disingenuous if they tried. Ceby volt is now suspended from production! ya, that worked huh?

man what a bogus admin this has been..totally fake, all focuse groups, all polls, all finger pointing, cynically abusing the good people of america by lying stright to their faces all while smiling.

incredible.

 

SCOTT83

3:39 PM ET

March 5, 2012

Blah Blah Blah

"Israel is ignoring (or seeking an excuse to ignore)...demographic, social, and economic" threats.

Blah blah blah....

Economics?

Last time I checked, our unemployment figures here in Israel were at about 5%, which is statistically considered full employment.

We have also had economic growth for years running, even while the US and EU economies have been stagnate.

Blah, blah blah...

Demographics?

Apparently, Mr. Rothkopf is the only person in the western hemisphere who did not hear that the census figures provided by the "Palestinians" was inaccurate and inflated (big surprise).

Blah, blah blah...

Social?

I can let our kids in Israel go out and play in the park unsupervised. Try that in the US and you would (rightly) be arrested for negligence.

But, anyways, more Blah blah blah....

Mr. Rothkopf never tire of the Arab "peace" ploy. They are always looking for a way to get Israel to buy the same used car they have been trying to sell us for the past 20 years.

Blah, blah blah... we are thriving and the US and EU are diving off of a cliff.

 

DYANAA

9:45 AM ET

March 6, 2012

hey, that's awesome!

I'm glad you guys are so awesome. So then we can stop giving you billions of dollars each year and wasting our diplomatic energy on you, right?

Win/win!!

 

MOHAMEDABED

11:10 AM ET

March 6, 2012

sure, that sounds good, but make sure to stop

give money to Egypt and the Palestinians, since their return on your money has been much much less. And the Afghans and Iraqis.....unless you consider ANA soldiers shooting US troops in the back a good return.....

 

DYANAA

12:58 PM ET

March 6, 2012

I know... how about not

I know... how about not giving ANY of those charmers money?

WIN/WIN/WIN/WIN!!

 

MOHAMEDABED

1:18 PM ET

March 6, 2012

DYANAA since you don't pay your taxes or have a real job

it doesn't make much of a difference to you anyway! :) Now, if only we could get people like you off of welfare....then win/win/win/win

 

REALREALIST

9:19 AM ET

March 6, 2012

IAEA diplomat says parchin being "sanitized"

wow, is that a surprise or what? Imagine that...iran delays inspectors into parchin, and eventually relents...they look like the good guys now, reasonable, but they have used the previous delays to cleanse the site...

ya, this is going well huh? oh sure, lets just trust iran ....lol...

everyone knows what they are up to...and what about the missing uranium that IAEA officials mentioned yesterday...missing material from between 1987-2003...

where is it? north korea? did some of it go to syria?

Israel will not nor should not wait for obama...he will never act...he talks a good game, but he simply wont do it.

 

REALREALIST

9:30 AM ET

March 6, 2012

are people just ignorant or really just anti semites..

Iranians officials generally deny that they are engaged in developing a military nuclear capability. However, in a February 1987 address to Iran's Atomic Energy Organization (AEOI), President Ali Khamenei stated: "Regarding atomic energy, we need it now... Our nation has always been threatened from outside. The least we can do to face this danger is to let our enemies know that we can defend ourselves. Therefore, every step you take here is in defense of your country and your evolution. With this in mind, you should work hard and at great speed."
Hashemi Rafsanjani, president of Iran from 1989 to 1997, gave a speech on 14 December 2001 that was widely interpreted as indicating that Iran was seeking nuclear weapons as a deterrent to Israel. Calling the establishment of Israel among the worst periods of our contemporary history, Rafsanjani stated that, "If one day, the Islamic world is also equipped with weapons like those that Israel possesses now, then the imperialists' strategy will reach a standstill because the use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything. However, it will only harm the Islamic world. It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality. Of course, you can see that the Americans have kept their eyes peeled and they are carefully looking for even the slightest hint that technological advances are being made by an independent Islamic country. If an independent Islamic country is thinking about acquiring other kinds of weaponry, then they will do their utmost to prevent it from acquiring them. Well, that is something that almost the entire world is discussing right now."

Rafsanjani spoke at the Qods Day (Jerusalem Day) rallies, which are held on the last Friday of Ramadan, and in 2001 fell on 14 December. "You should make the world understand that Israel is the oppressor and that Israel must be destroyed," Ayatollah Ali Meshkini said during the nationally televised 8 December Friday Prayers in Qom. Khalid Mashaal, head of the Hamas political bureau, told Iranian state television on 11 December 2001 that events such as Qods Day contribute to "increasing our people's resistance and made the Palestinian people realize that the Islamic nation was right behind them and that it was supporting them." On Qods Day, millions of people marched through Tehran. They carried the usual inflammatory placards and voiced the usual "Death to..." chants. Their resolution, IRNA reported, said that US support for the "Zionist Regime" was the "key" to the suppression and massacre of the Palestinian people, and "the cancerous tumor of Israel is the top threat to the Middle East and the world of Islam."

Asked how Iran would react to an Israeli attack against the Bushehr nuclear reactor, Minister of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics Ali Shamkhani declared, "If Israel carries out such an action, it will receive a response, which no politician in Israel can even imagine." Shamkhani denied that Iran would resort to nuclear weapons, Al-Jazeera television reported on 4 February 2002, and he added, "Actions will speak."

Similarly vague threats of retaliation if attacked were made between then and at least June 2008, by various Iranian officials since then. Observers have also suggested that this could be an allusion to disruptive asymetric attacks, as in closing the Straight of Hormuz and attacking shipping, terrorist attacks, or even cyber terrorism. In September 2005, shortly after his election, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cited the high casualties of the Iran-Iraq War as evidence of the dangers of attacking Iran. The Voice of America reported in August 2006 that an influential cleric in Iran's Assembly of Experts had suggested that Iranian ballistic missiles would target US interests in the region and Israel if it were attacked. In April 2008, however, Deputy Commander-in-Chief Mohammad Reza Ashtiani said that Iran would "wipe out" Israel if attacked. The comments in 2008 were followed by an Israeli military exercise widely viewed as a warning to Iran and a show of resolve to prevent their acquisition of nuclear weapons.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/nuke2.htm

 

REALREALIST

9:39 AM ET

March 6, 2012

from news out today...in haaretz of all places...!

"While Tehran sent conciliatory signals about Parchin, it has made clear that it does not want to reveal the management structure or foreign purchases for its alleged secret nuclear program, according to a draft agreement with the IAEA.

Both issues go to the heart of the country's alleged nuclear weapons research and development projects, which the IAEA says seem to be linked to the Ministry of Defense.

The document, which was obtained by dpa, was drafted during recent unsuccessful talks between both sides.

Iran struck two items from the list of issues to be tackled, titled "Program management structure" and "Procurement activities,”the document's proposed amendments show.

“They ruled it out categorically," a diplomat closely following the IAEA's work said Tuesday.

The IAEA reported in November that Iran's uranium enrichment Program and apparent efforts to design a nuclear warhead were grouped in the same project structure.

Iran says it enriches uranium only to make fuel for civilian reactors.

The Vienna-based agency also said that actual or attempted procurement of various equipment, "although having other civilian applications, would be useful in the development of a nuclear explosive device”.

Tehran's nuclear procurements "would be difficult to explain for Iran because the IAEA has a lot of intelligence information" on this topic, the diplomat said. The nuclear agency says it has collected independent information corroborating the intelligence findings.

Besides refusing cooperation on these two issues, Iran also rejected IAEA demands for repeated visits to nuclear sites, to be able to reopen questions after they have been addressed by Iran, and for information about future nuclear projects".

 

REALREALIST

4:52 PM ET

March 6, 2012

you know, its funny, but you can kind of tell when .....

you can kind of tell when someone is lying...and that is exactly what I see in obama's body language on the iran issue. I do indeed think he is bluffing and if push comes to shove, he wont do a thing. He will talk the talk, but he will never walk the walk...he uses drones from 30,000 feet...afghanistan surge you say? bullocks. He inserted troops to make himself LOOK capable of being tough, yet at the same time, he announced their pullout, which was a political ploy , cheap theatre at the expense of the troops he claims to worry about...iraq? he ran as fast as he could at the expense of stability on irans border...in effect, he caved to iran and al sadr...

honestly, I fail to see why some think his FP has been a success? can someone even come close to debating me? Each time I have tried, people,answer with dodges and non answers..not even rothkopf can answer....

does the left really feel proud of their dogmatic groupthink? Is that true intellectualism??? I dont think so...not at all...and this is the hypocisy of the left.

Imagine of bush and ashcroft were doing half of the things obama and holder have done...the left would go ballistic!

anyhow, bottom line on iraq? military intervention will come and it will be ugly. Get ready for it...all this talk is useless. Catherine Ashton is useless. visiting parchin is NOW useless...its been sanitized by now....too late...

anyhow, war is coming and I for one think its the only way to truly reset the middle east and maybe at long last, get a meaningful peace accord all across the region.

One thing is for sure. The west, the EU, the US, are all going to pay a very steep price for not having acted on iran when they should have....appeasers never seem to get it....and its sad....but make no mistake; if oil shoots up, and if terrorism hits lands far away from the ME, it will be IRANS FAULT and NO ONE else.

http://www.debka.com/article/21799/

 

JOHNBOY4546

6:10 PM ET

March 8, 2012

"can someone even come close to debating me?"

Hahahahahahahahah!

RR, you *don't* actually debate anyone.

Look at these threads, and what do we find?

Welllll, the first two times you posted there were several talkback warriors who respond to your cut'n'paste efforts.

Q: Did RR then engage those people in debate?
A: No, he didn't.

Tho' RR did post this reply:
RR: "I didnt write it, I just am pointing out whats in the news today. many sources are reporting it."

Run away! Run away! Run away!

RR accepts no responsibility for his posts, and then complains that nobody even comes close to debating him!

*chortle*

Of course they can't: you run away as soon as anyone tries to debate you.

 

PULLER58

3:10 AM ET

March 12, 2012

No shortage of excuses

Netanyahu has to win an election. Iran is a winner for him. All the other points are not. Obama has AIPAC screaming at the Democrats who in turn, scream at him. No solutions here...

 

BONG GILLIGAN

8:28 PM ET

April 2, 2012

Israel and the United States

Israel and the United States have focused on the security threat from Iran's nuclear program, but this threat may be overstated. Indeed, both Israel and the United States may have bigger security concerns closer to home.