The Ron Paul Revolution Continues

If they continue to malign and ignore the libertarian wing of the Republican Party, GOP elders will be slamming the door on their future.

BY CHRISTOPHER PREBLE | MARCH 6, 2012

There is an inherent logic to Paul's foreign policy that should appeal to small-government conservatives. For one thing, conservatives' doubts about Washington's ability to accomplish particular ends, no matter how well-intentioned, should multiply when the government project involves violence in foreign lands. Americans who doubt the U.S. government's ability to reform health care should be doubly skeptical about its efforts to reform Afghanistan.

Those concerned about government power should also appreciate, as Paul does, that war has almost always led to the expansion of the state's size and power at home. And he is hardly alone. "War is a friend of the state," Nobel laureate Milton Friedman explained. "In time of war, government will take powers and do things that it would not ordinarily do." We have seen this in the creation of new government agencies and the erosion of civil liberties after the 9/11 attacks.

Paul's warnings against stationing large numbers of U.S. troops in foreign lands reveal an understanding about how the world works that transcends libertarianism. Conservatives who comprehend that people aren't inclined to pay for goods if Uncle Sam foots the bill should understand why wealthy allies in Europe and Asia will free-ride, taking U.S. protection as an opportunity to scrimp on defense and splurge on other things.

Ignoring this dynamic, Paul's Republican opponents are calling for spending even more money that the United States doesn't have. They think that the $5.7 trillion now planned for military budgets over the next decade isn't nearly enough. Mitt Romney promises to spend at least 4 percent of GDP on the Pentagon's base budget, plus whatever more is needed for any wars that he may want to fight. If Romney is serious about fulfilling his pledge (which, given his track record, is far from assured), he would spend an additional $2.5 trillion on the military over the next decade. His military budget in 2022 would top $1 trillion -- 61 percent more than current projections. And Romney has not explained which taxes he would increase or what other spending he would cut to cover that increase, which suggests that he would kick the problem to future generations in the form of more debt. No wonder young people like Paul.

Military spending is not the main cause of America's fiscal crisis, and cutting military spending won't solve it. But Republicans who argue that "the common defense" is one of the few legitimate functions of government and that therefore the Defense Department budget should be the last one cut after every other department must come to grips with the fact that most of what Americans spend on their military goes to defending foreigners.

This arrangement suits people in Washington, Republican and Democrat alike, but many people outside the Beltway hunger for a, yes, humbler foreign policy. Short of that, they would like to see a less militarized one. As AlterNet's Adele Stan recently explained, Paul's anti-war rhetoric "satisfies this deep spiritual yearning" among progressives to "hear someone say that we shouldn't be bombing other people around the world." On the other end of the ideological spectrum, even as she explicitly rejected Paul's foreign-policy views, Sarah Palin warned after the Iowa caucuses that "the GOP had better not marginalize Ron Paul and his supporters … because Ron Paul and his supporters understand that a lot of Americans are war-weary and we are broke."

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Christopher Preble is vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute and the author of The Power Problem: How American Military Dominance Makes Us Less Safe, Less Prosperous, and Less Free.

MR_S

3:49 PM ET

March 6, 2012

Ron Paul

I voted for Ron Paul today in VA. I'll be voting for him in November, no matter who they put on the ballot.

 

SPOOD

4:01 PM ET

March 6, 2012

My deepest condolences, you voted for a nutcase

I will say one thing, he was better organized than Santorum or Gingrich. They couldn't even get on the ballot.

 

CASIMCEA

2:13 AM ET

March 7, 2012

Casimcea

Mr S, you did the right thing, sort of. You did vote for yourself and your children. Ron Paul is doing OK regardless and we should be grateful that his conscience dictates to do so, just as your conscience dictated for you to vote for him. Ignore insults. It is obvious, they have nothing else to offer.

 

DUBLIN

10:20 AM ET

March 7, 2012

S..pooh! Israeli firster

All comments coming from this fella are directed against Americans for America! I know from previous comments that (it is) against Ron for his stance on Israel carting away billions from our treasury. He is a nutcase for that reason, according to this pooh fella! Stay in Israel leave us alone!

 

FREETHINKER12

4:30 PM ET

March 7, 2012

wow

"My deepest condolences, you voted for a nutcase"

wow such anti ron paul smears from u isreali firsters. You probably hiss whenever you see him on tv. America first. Traitors

 

SPOOD

3:59 PM ET

March 6, 2012

Ughhh another person who mistakes Paul for someone serious

Paul is against the exercise of political power overseas unless it is in the interests of corporate bodies.

His foreign policy and economic platforms are 200 years too late. Whatever nuggets of merit his positions have, are drowned in a sea of raw sewage. He is still hero to the stupid.

The man's view of freedom only extend to companies and not personal liberties. He would encourage discrimination at the level where it happens most often (state and local levels). He encourages the destruction of the middle class and working class by removing all protections to them.

The only reason anyone takes him seriously now is the GOP race is so pathetic this election cycle. Its like watching the performances of the latter plays of Marquis de Sade. The perverse performed by the insane.

Even his touted ending the war on drugs is a bullcrap platform. He would only end it at a federal level, this means states will decide to go "full amsterdam" or "full Rockefeller" or something in between.

He is a racist and proud of it. He wants ultimate federal power so he could destroy it.

 

ZJAWS88

4:56 PM ET

March 6, 2012

Misguided and incorrect.

Your comment seems to lack any sort of grasp of reality, both of Ron Paul as a person and of his candidacy. So misguided and poorly interpreted are your claims that I can not fathom that you have ever tried to look objectively at the man.

Instead your comments seem to be an odd concoction of what you've heard in gossip rags and of what you yourself have somehow formulated in your own mind.

Each point you have drawn to discredit Ron Paul seems to be anathema to his actual beliefs and his policies.

I strongly suggest you read this article objectively, and then research on your own why this man has--rightfully--created such a stir in the republican establishment.

 

SPOOD

5:32 PM ET

March 6, 2012

He is the sorriest of a very sorry lot this election

I don't have to rely on gossip rags to make fun of Paul. His own words suffice just fine.

This is a man who has claimed the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and publicly opposes all federal actions to enforce Equal Protection issues.

He lied about why he opposed an award to Rosa Parks.

He publicly defended the racist newsletters his supporters claim he didn't write (but definitely approved of sending in his name).

He is as anti-abortion rights as the rest of the GOP.

Stormfront has endorsed him as their candidate of choice!

The guy openly criticizes any form of federal workplace regulations as impeding the liberty of companies to act.

These are not rumors. These are his stated platforms. Sure he is against our current wars, but for all the wrong reasons. He is against all forms of foreign entanglement outside of commercial interests. His views are practically 18th century.

"Libertarianism" is a crock of a political position these days. Its anti-personal liberties, extremely corporatist and largely informed by bigotry.

 

CASIMCEA

2:18 AM ET

March 7, 2012

Spood, You have real talent.

Spood, You have real talent. Nothing rational to say in so many words.

 

SPOOD

12:39 PM ET

March 7, 2012

My suggestion

If you think I am misrepresenting Paul's positions, find quotes to prove me wrong.

Hurling insults is just more proof as to why Paulies are not people who think very hard or can be taken seriously.

 

FREETHINKER12

4:32 PM ET

March 7, 2012

your ONLY issue with him is

your ONLY issue with him is that he wants to cut all economic and military aid to isreal. THats it. You guys werent smearing him in 08, but now his ideas are getting a bigger platform and becoming more popular. You must be shaking in your boots.

 

MSAM

6:07 PM ET

March 6, 2012

Ron Paul 2012

Ron Paul's common sense foreign policy ideas put to shame, the support Israel at all cost dogma, of the rest of the pathetic cast that comprises the republican candidates.

Then again its not difficul to look brilliant when you argue foerign policey with likes of Bachmann, Santorum and Gingrich. Fools that publicly declare that the US should get Israel's permission before formulating any foreign policy regarding the middle east.

 

CFOUNTAIN72

6:12 PM ET

March 6, 2012

Thanks

Thank you Mr. Preble for a very fair summation of Dr. Paul's positions and his impact on the foreign policy dicussion. It has been beyond frustrating to have folks say "I like RP on everything but his foreign policy"--even though RP's FP is one of the strongest pieces of his platform.

Hey Spood, why don't you go join the Reserves...maybe you'll get the pleasure of fighting in one of the wars that Ron Paul is against "for all the wrong reasons". All I know is that if we'd listened to him on foreign policy alone, we'd be $1T+ richer, and tens of thousands of folks who are dead for no reason, wouldn't be. That puts him head and shoulders above his competition to start with.

Peace be with you.

 

SPOOD

8:08 PM ET

March 6, 2012

Hey why don't you do a little

Hey why don't you do a little research on what the 14th Amendment is all about.

Take special care on the cause of "Equal protection under the law", then see how Ron Paul's platform takes that notion and flushes it down the toilet.

Ron Paul's foreign policy is isolationism at its most naive. He may be the only Republican against the current wars but SFW? There are plenty of politicians are against the wars only with a helluva lot more reasonable policy positions. The major difference is they probably also aren't anti-choice, corporatist and blatant racists as well. When you support Ron Paul you get the entire loathsome package.

If we listened to Ron Paul, our economy would be in a shambles, our national infrastructure would be gone, civil liberties would have been a distant dream and we would be the laughingstock of the developed world.

What few people we save abroad, will be lost at home, in the lack of functioning governmental services for everyone and poverty.

 

BAZ61

11:51 PM ET

March 6, 2012

Sppod, Wake up!

Your economy is already in a shambles (dollar is losing value driving up fuel costs and real inflation), your national infrastructure in disrepair (bridges, airports in disrepair), civil liberties a distant memory (Bush spied on citizens without a warrant and now Obama assassinates US citizens without warning or judicial review, and now you have a feckless TSA to keep you from being afraid), and the US is already joke in the developed world and the UN (every intervention overseas since toppling the democratically elected government in Iran in 1953 has backfired and has resulted in the blowback the CIA warned congress about).

Of course if you want this to continue, you should vote for anyone but Ron Paul.

 

CASIMCEA

2:23 AM ET

March 7, 2012

"If we listened to Ron Paul,

"If we listened to Ron Paul, our economy would be in a shambles, our national infrastructure would be gone, civil liberties would have been a distant dream and we would be the laughingstock of the developed world." you say

Is this not what we have now, regardless of whom we listen to?

WHAT'S YOUR POINT, other than #($$ and vinegar?

 

SPOOD

12:38 PM ET

March 7, 2012

There are shades of economic turmoil

Current: The Great Depression

Under Paul:The Hunger Games

 

TEXASAGGIE

6:36 PM ET

March 6, 2012

Ron Paul 2012

Spood we have talked before. Too much time. Walts blog. His piece on Ron Paul. Copy paste. Guys he will still be nuts by the end. Don't even bother.

 

SPOOD

8:18 PM ET

March 6, 2012

You got it half remembered

I was usually copying and pasting stuff from Paul's own statements.

Ron Paul's version of minimal government is the best government money can buy.
This is a guy who opposes things like:
-Child labor Laws
-Minimum wage laws
-Occupational Safety Hazard regulations
-Safe food and pharmaceutical regulations
-Environmental regulations
-Government subsidies for transportation infrastructure
-Public education
-Abortion for any reason
-Any kind of minority rights (racial, religious...)
-Engagement in any kind of diplomacy not related to corporate interests

He elevates corporate property above all else.

If you like this sort of thing, fine. Just don't expect me to take your views seriously.

And yes, he is the candidate of choice for white supremacists online
http://current.com/shows/the-young-turks/videos/white-nationalist-leader-says-we-agree-with-ron-paul-on-the-issues

 

THEPALADIN

9:30 PM ET

March 6, 2012

I will vote for Obama.

Because, frankly, Romney vs. Obama?
However, really, you have to ask yourselves "where is that money to bomb Iran/send people to the moon/smash China (or whatever they can think of) coming from?"
And Paul is absolutely right on that one! We are broke. How are these empty promises that others claim going to be kept?

 

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IAN GRAY

5:52 AM ET

March 7, 2012

Ron Paul

As the article points out, American people are increasingly getting educated about the corrupt political establishment. They realize that our foreign policy and financial industries have been hijacked by the zionist supremacists that use the massive fraud on Wall Street (as protected by the FED) to finance the lobby system in Washington and use it to drag us from war to war. The establishment which is highly dependent on this corrupt system and votes from the angry old white men is dying out. The young generation and the immigrants do not want unending wars on behalf of an Apartheid state and wasting trillions to bailout the banks.
Ron Paul might not win but what he stands for will only gain more traction.

 

VENERATIO ET ANIMUS

9:33 AM ET

March 7, 2012

Common Sense is to Radical for the Oval Office

Ron Paul has these two things going against him: intelligence and common sense. He is brilliant, down-to-earth and no-nonsense. I appreciate that, coming from a Marine Corps background. With more laws, and offices/personnel to administer and enforce those laws, comes more expenses, stress and exertion. There was a time when the bureaucracy that today micromanages the daily lives of the country's citizens was much more basic, a time when simple intelligence and common sense (and significantly more personal and corporate discipline and ethical behavior) ruled the daily lives of people. I think you could also say the natural principle of "survival of the fittest" applied then; but that has now been replaced by mandated survival of everyone, ensured by the government. Intelligence and common sense are no longer necessary nor even desired in either political party. Nay, these attributes are considered too radical in a candidate for the President of the United States of America.

 

VENERATIO ET ANIMUS

9:56 AM ET

March 7, 2012

Pardon My Typo in the Subject Line Above

Pardon my grammar. That should've read "common sense is *too* radical for the oval office."

 

SPOOD

12:36 PM ET

March 7, 2012

Common sense? Where?

So where is the common sense in someone who opposes abortion even in cases of rape?

Where is the common sense of allowing corporations to undermine the basics of middle and working class life?

Where is the common sense of running for the position of the leader of the federal government if he wants to strip it of most of its power?

Where is the common sense in attacking uniform standards of education in the nation and making sure public schools adhere to the law of the land?

Where is the common sense in promoting discrimination at state and local levels?

"Nay, these attributes are considered too radical in a candidate for the President of the United States of America."

Because it is inherently reductively stupid to think of things in such a fashion.

 

SPOOD

12:36 PM ET

March 7, 2012

Common sense? Where?

So where is the common sense in someone who opposes abortion even in cases of rape?

Where is the common sense of allowing corporations to undermine the basics of middle and working class life?

Where is the common sense of running for the position of the leader of the federal government if he wants to strip it of most of its power?

Where is the common sense in attacking uniform standards of education in the nation and making sure public schools adhere to the law of the land?

Where is the common sense in promoting discrimination at state and local levels?

"Nay, these attributes are considered too radical in a candidate for the President of the United States of America."

Because it is inherently reductively stupid to think of things in such a fashion.

 

REALREALIST

9:52 AM ET

March 7, 2012

ron paul is an ugly racist

everyone knows what this cat is all about...he disguises it well, but when one drills down, you find the swamp he comes from....isolationism/jew hate/anti immigrant.

he is a national disgrace.

 

VENERATIO ET ANIMUS

9:58 AM ET

March 7, 2012

State your sources. Your

State your sources. Your opinion doesn't seem objective at all.

 

SPOOD

12:31 PM ET

March 7, 2012

The source for this stuff is Ron Paul himself

The guy is a walking gaffe factory. If you guys really wanted to come up with credible arguments, you could have tried to quote Ron Paul where you think I am misrepresenting his POV. The problem being, I am not misrepresenting him. Instead, its just hurling insults. More proof of how he appeals to those who don't want to think very hard.

In one fell swoop he managed to tell the world about his blatant racism and corporatism when he discussed how he opposes the Civil Rights Act on principle. He claims it denies companies the right to make their own decision, he feels that this sort of thing belongs as the state and local level (where all of the discrimination under the color of law originates!)

You can't deny he has appeal with the white supremacists. They endorsed him.

His foreign policy is a joke. Isolationism is not a successful policy for any nation. Its usually a prelude to collapse. He opposed the wars SFW, so do most democrats. At least they aren't also beholden to the wackadoodle religious right and trying to bring the country back to the Articles of Confederacy. [That kind of government failed miserably twice in our history].

 

EDPRICEFL@HOTMAIL.COM

11:41 AM ET

March 7, 2012

Ron Paul's current Iran policy

Hello,

I heard Senator Rand Paul (Ron Paul's son) speak on TV the other night. He stated emphatically that he would explain his father's position on Iran if the others on the program would just give him a moment. They did and this is what he said:

"My father's position is that he is opposed to Iran getting a nuclear bomb, but that if they do Iran should be contained."

Trust me. I am not quoting out of context. That is exactly what he said.

Certain obvious conclusions can be drawn from the son's allegedly authorized statement:

1) Ron Paul's opposition to an Iranian nuclear bomb capability is verbal only. Sure, like every other decent American, Mr. Paul does not want Iran to get the bomb. But as President, he would take no specific action to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear bomb capability.

2) In the event that Iran succeeds in getting the bomb - a possibility which he clearly envisions - Mr. Paul thinks the right action then is to contain them. As everyone knows, containment was the policy of the West towards the Soviet Union and its fundamental pillar was MAD, mutual assured destruction.

3) This implies that Mr. Paul thinks containment is possible, even viable in the case of Iran. What does he think containment looks like in the case of Iran? Mr. Paul doesn't say.

4) Mr. Paul offers no answer to the many experts who feel containment will not work to prevent threats to the security of the United States or Israel, because Iran, as the world's largest sponsor of terrorism, could secretly give a bomb to a terrorist and the first anyone would know about it is when it was blown up in the middle of an American or Israeli city. Even as millions were vaporized or lay dead in the streets, we would never know where the bomb had come from.

5) Finally, if such a calamity were to occur it would obviously be devastating to the USA and terminally life-threatening to the entire state of Israel. Mr. Paul's response, if he is relying on containment, is to say that only then would he act in retaliation against Iran, probably blowing up one or more of their cities. The point is that, containment means MAD, so if Israel or the US were attacked while Mr. Paul were president, only then would Iran suffer any consequences. And given Mr. Paul's other statements on foreign policy, he would only act in retaliation if he could prove beyond a doubt that the bomb that exploded had come from Iran and even then only after a declaration of war from Congress. Given the improbability of attaining such proof, that makes it unlikely that Iran would have to suffer from a retaliation. In any case, it would be little comfort to Israel after it had been wiped off the earth, or to one of the American cities after it had been attacked, to know that a million or more innocent Iranian citizens had also been killed thanks to the evil actions of a small number of mullas in Iran.

Whatever Ron Paul's other merits as a candidate might be - and I think they are many - the scenario his stated policy paints, is just simply too frightening to contemplate.

I also get Ron Paul's newsletter in the mail every month. In a recent edition he specifically stated the US should withdraw its membership from the United Nations. Now we all know the UN has some serious, serious flaws. But does anyone think international diplomacy and politics will be made any better by a flat-out US withdrawal from the UN? Really?

I, for one, support much of what Mr. Paul says about the economy, sound money, eliminating the debt, and so forth. He shows much wisdom and credibility in these areas. Unfortunately, his ideas on foreign policy go too far and would represent a danger to the US, to Israel, and to much of the rest of the world.

Sincerely,
Ed Price

 

KBC

1:15 PM ET

March 7, 2012

If the whole world

votes in American elections, Ron Paul will the clear winner. Who doesn't want a fool to be American president. OK, W was an idiot but he wasn't foolish.

 

MSAM

1:41 PM ET

March 7, 2012

Ron Paul 2012

Interesting that the people opposed to Ron Paul here seem to be the usual rabid Israel supporters.

What's more fascinating is that these are the same people who routinely express bigotry, call for war and killings, yet have the nerve to call Paul a "racist".

I guess if you don't repeat the, support Israel at all cost, dogma of the current republican establishment then you must be racist.

 

IAN GRAY

1:52 PM ET

March 7, 2012

The Lobby

One of the main reasons the Lobby opposes Ron Paul is because he is the only person speaking against the massive fraud being committed by the FED and Wall Street. Since majority of the funding for the Lobby comes from the Lobby, they will do anything they can to shut him off.
Great majority of the people in America disapprove of the FED, the Congress and the Wars in the middle East. It is only a matter of time until the population connects the dots and rises up against the enemy from within.

 

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2:04 PM ET

March 7, 2012

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OLSONIST

8:32 PM ET

March 7, 2012

I did my due diligence on Ron Paul

I always put Ron Paul on the back burner. He never went away but I never took him seriously either until this election cycle. Then I did my due diligence.

First, there are some things on which I agree with RP. But there are some things that I agree with Al Sharpton on.

I'm a lot closer to RP on FP than I am with W or Obama. Still he's too reflexively isolationist.

He's opposed to the drug war as are most sentient adults that don't have a vested interest in the prison industry.

I don't agree with his Hayek economics at all. Libertarian nonsense. Not even libertarian. Just drivel.

Lastly should have been firstly. He started and financed his political career as a cryptoracist and he's still a StormFront fellow traveler. And that's where he loses me permanently.

I find Paulians to be cultists. No matter what he's on record for having done, no matter what people say, it's a conspiracy. Sorry, he's a Lyndon LaRouche for the libertarian set.

 

MSAM

11:59 AM ET

March 8, 2012

Confused ?

A lot of people confuse non-intervention with isolationism. There are differences.

Just because some bad characters support a particular candidate, that does not necessarily mean said candidate agrees with them in return.

Unless that is you can prove that the candidate is pandering to those groups.

 

AR

3:03 PM ET

March 12, 2012

Hey spood, eat sh*t!

Hey spood, eat sh*t!

 

SANDIE PINSKI

10:09 PM ET

April 3, 2012

Some information about Ron Paul

Ron Paul is the only candidate who predicted and warned against the economic crisis, who understood and explained the reasons for it, and who offers a viable solution. when he says he wants to bring our troops home and scale down our unsustainable and unreasonable empire.
Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution.In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the “one exception to the Gang of 535? on Capitol Hill.

Ron Paul was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He graduated from Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine, before proudly serving as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force during the 1960s. He and his wife Carol moved to Texas in 1968, where he began his medical practice in Brazoria County. As a specialist in obstetrics/gynecology, Dr. Paul has delivered more than 4,000 babies. He and Carol, who reside in Lake Jackson, Texas, are the proud parents of five children and have 17 grandchildren

 

SANDIE PINSKI

10:11 PM ET

April 3, 2012

Some important information about Ron Paul

Ron Paul is the only candidate who predicted and warned against the economic crisis, who understood and explained the reasons for it, and who offers a viable solution. when he says he wants to bring our troops home and scale down our unsustainable and unreasonable empire.
Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution.In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the “one exception to the Gang of 535? on Capitol Hill.

Ron Paul was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He graduated from Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine, before proudly serving as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force during the 1960s. He and his wife Carol moved to Texas in 1968, where he began his medical practice in Brazoria County. As a specialist in obstetrics/gynecology, Dr. Paul has delivered more than 4,000 babies. He and Carol, who reside in Lake Jackson, Texas, are the proud parents of five children and have 17 grandchildren