Will the Good BRICS Please Stand Up?

You can call them respectable democracies, but India, Brazil, and South Africa will be judged by how they act abroad. And on the Syria question, it's been shameful.

BY JAMES TRAUB | MARCH 9, 2012

It's precisely because the IBSA countries are respectable democracies that they can prove so useful to the less respectable. Philippe Bolopion, the U.N. director for Human Rights Watch, says, "For months, they enabled Russia and China to use their veto and block any Security Council action." It was far easier for the veto-bearing countries to claim that they were acting out of principle when they had India and others on their side. Of course, Russia and China wielded their vetoes again last month when India and South Africa shifted their votes, but it's striking that, since that time, both Moscow and Beijing have sought to distance themselves from Damascus. They've lost their cover.

India's behavior served the cynicism of others, but it was not, itself, altogether cynical. Unlike Russia, India has no real political or economic interests in Syria (or Libya). What is has are ideological reflexes left over from the era of the "Non-Aligned Movement," of which it was a founder. C. Raja Mohan, a leading Indian foreign-policy commentator, recently ascribed India's Syria policy to its long-standing preoccupation with "the anti-colonial theme" and to "solidarity" with the Arabs against Israel. Countries like India that long chafed under imperial dominion tend to see the West's moral activism as a new species of colonialism. India is thus a zealous defender of the principle of state sovereignty and reflexively opposes any intrusion into it. Puri says that he feared that the West was looking for an excuse to go to war in Syria, as it had in Libya, but Article 41 only authorizes the use of nonmilitary forms of coercion. He wasn't standing up to "humanitarian intervention" in Syria, which in any case had zero support in Western capitals last fall; he was defending Syria's right to do as it wished to its own citizens.

Why did India change its vote last month? Puri says that the resolution, which endorsed an Arab League plan designed to ease Assad from power, included a specific proviso excluding the possibility of military action. But Russia and China saw the new resolution as little different from the previous one and vetoed it too, implicitly defending their own right to do as they wish to their citizens, whether in Chechnya or Tibet. (India, too, is loath to set a precedent that could later justify Security Council action in Kashmir.) David Malone, a senior Canadian diplomat and the author of Does the Elephant Dance?, a book on Indian foreign policy, suggests a less legalistic explanation for the Feb. 4 vote: Once the violence grew worse and the Arab League more strident, domestic public opinion, in the form of pundits like Mohan, forced New Delhi's hand and persuaded it to look beyond the obsession with sovereignty. In this regard, of course, the IBSA countries do resemble the Western democracies: Policy responds to public opinion. Russia and China can smother or ignore the public in a way that India and Brazil cannot.

This raises the intriguing question of where the IBSA countries, as well as other emerging democracies, are heading. It's hard to predict. As one Western diplomat put it, anti-colonialism is in South Africa's "founding myth," and the reflexes associated with it will not quickly subside. Brazil, on the other hand, seemed far less comfortable defending Syria than India or South Africa, perhaps because Brazilian public opinion is more open to Western norms. All these countries have been wary of the principle that states have a "responsibility to protect" (R2P) their citizens from mass atrocities, as well as an obligation to act on behalf of people threatened with atrocities elsewhere. Puri says that India accepts the first part, but thinks that the second "needs to be addressed." But with Arab states like Qatar citing "R2P" to justify action in Libya and Syria, public opinion in non-Western democracies may begin to move beyond the anti-neocolonial reflex.

All three IBSA countries are candidates for permanent membership in the Security Council. Puri says that he is confident -- it's not clear why -- that India, at least, will gain that status soon. He is not troubled, he says, by the thought that giving aid and comfort to Russia and China will harm India's candidacy with the United States, Britain, and France, which could block it. One of the fundamental questions about the post-Western world we are moving toward is whether countries like India will be "socialized" to Western norms or whether things will work the other way around. The legatees of that system, above all in the United States, will feel a great deal more comfortable about the prospect of sharing power if the newcomers accept the obligations understood to come with that power.

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James Traub is a fellow of the Center on International Cooperation. "Terms of Engagement," his column for ForeignPolicy.com, runs weekly.

DESIBANDA

2:50 PM ET

March 9, 2012

BRICS article

Hasn't west done humongous atrocities in india and south africa? Now that they have fought back their independence and standing on their own, why any sane person thinks that they would look to west kindly. It is matter of time when they regain their strength and show those who created those atrocities the consequences in real terms. Instead author thinks that they should socialize to west norms, It is ridiculous on its face and it is time for author to open up his eyes and wake up to new world

 

LITTLEMANTATE

3:31 PM ET

March 9, 2012

DESIBANDA, you must understand

Neoliberals don't view themselves as neo-colonialists. They go to great rhetorical lengths to distance themselves from the old school colonialists. They don't realize that an elite can be secular, gender and ethnically inclusive, less ostensibly bigoted, and less concerned with the well-being of the metropole (current US inverted mercantilism) but still be as exploitative, self-righteous, and domineering.

 

DOM WYNN

9:56 PM ET

March 9, 2012

Western Norms. Good

Western Norms. Good grief.....

The entire structure of world diplomacy and the united nations is based on those 'norms'.
The principle, self inflicted or otherwise, is that countries should generally follow the various parts of the United Nations founding charter. That includes not butchering your own citizens.

If you fail to understand how, in so many ways, the current behaviour of China and Russia are cynical power plays, and the same response from the non SC BRICS is just exactly the same you may as well tear up the UN charter. In which case the west will feel free to exercise self interest and revert to gun boat diplomacy. Do you see where that heads us?

 

MAZO

7:44 AM ET

March 20, 2012

Wynn- Gunboat diplomacy = NATO's business as usual

How is the West's unilateral and cavalier interventionism now any different from "gun-boat diplomacy" ? You make it sound as if the West is somehow using the force of "reason" or making "logical" arguments to win over opinions and support to its cause when in reality it unilaterally invaded Iraq, unilaterally waged war in Afghanistan and now seeks to continue that trend of perverse butchery by trying to get the UNSC let "slip the dogs of war" in Syria and Iran.
The Rest of the world is not interested in being an "enabler" for this kind of reckless warring - if the West wants to break its back and spill its blood to satisfy its hubris, that is its prerogative. But the excuse of "saving innocents" and naive justification of "helping" is all too often used to further economic, commercial and strategic imperatives than any "real" help!

 

LITTLEMANTATE

3:20 PM ET

March 9, 2012

Who cares what the Indian masses think?

Not Western interventionists.

"domestic public opinion, in the form of pundits like Mohan, forced New Delhi's hand"

and there it is.

The lesson to the developing world, you had better play to DC, London and Paris' tune or else you'll be subjected to lots of condescending articles questioning your motives and analyzing your various inadequacies.

Western Moral Activism is akin to colonialism. Colonialism wasn't just concerned with economic advantages, exploitation of 3rd world labor, and access to colonized consumer markets (China in particular), there was also a very clear desire to save the savages from themselves and that such salvation was profitable was a clear sign of God's will. In our post-Christian era, we Anglophone countries are still Calvinist enough to be ostentatiously greedy (Gospel of Consumption/GOP types, heirs of the plantation owners) or underhanded greedy hypocrites (Clintonians, heirs of the Yankee sea captains and slavers).

So economic motive and self-justifying religious ideology= Colonialism

Economic motive and self-justifying largely post-Christian ideology= Neoliberalism.

 

DOM WYNN

10:03 PM ET

March 9, 2012

Nice. May I submit that

Nice. May I submit that "Economic motive and self-justifying largely post-Christian ideology= Neoliberalism" is essentially motivated by 'popular outrage'? In which case frankly the vast majority of western opinion, whether it be in the US or indeed the UK, if it feels if it's pointless trying to marry up the nonsense which is the hypocritical response of the the BRICs or it's own conflicted public, will just revert to isolationism. In which case the next time a Bosnia, Rwanda or indeed a pogrom in Warsaw takes place, you can politely wave goodbye to standards of 'nice' and just allow the massacres, genocide and horror to take place. And we'll just shrug and say 'well at least we're not forcing the rest of the world to adhere to horrible norms like... not murdering your own people'.

 

ANILK

11:28 AM ET

March 10, 2012

Accept the obligations - read accept western notion of obligatio

"...One of the fundamental questions about the post-Western world we are moving toward is whether countries like India will be "socialized" to Western norms or whether things will work the other way around. The legatees of that system, above all in the United States, will feel a great deal more comfortable about the prospect of sharing power if the newcomers accept the obligations understood to come with that power."

The last lines ultimately reveal the mindset of the author. The good BRICS are therefore those that "accept the obligations". The obligations of course are Western norms of how power should be used and is exclusively viewed as those serving western civilizational interests. So long as India and others tread the western norms, notions and lines of how to use the veto power, then only will they be accepted.

This was the crux of the article.

Syria's suffering masses are just an excuse. Has the author done a similar essay on Bahrains suffering shia masses? No ... he will not. Because Bahrain is an ally in the western fold whereas Syria is not. Its that simple. Everybody knows it. And yet FP takes all the trouble to get the author to pen out this long winded story about "good" BRICS?

 

MAZO

7:26 AM ET

March 20, 2012

Wyn- What about the "progrom" in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc ?

How is it that Ruwanda is a "progrom" but the utter barbarism and callous slaughter of civilians in Iraq where obscenities like Abu Graib and mercenary actions of paying terrorists to kill each other were practiced any better ?? Should the UN and BRICS issued a UNSC resolution sanctioning America and NATO ?
It's odd how the largest tragedy in Asia - North Korea doesn't get the same benevolent and uber self righteous interventionism from the West as say Iraq or Libya got! Is suffering any less in North Korea ? Or is the West ego only writing cheques it can't cash in Pyongyang ??

I wonder if the UNSC will issue a condemnation against the travesty visited upon the OWS protesters by the autocratic state machinery of the USA ?

It is a bit ridiculous and frankly reeks of utter hypocrisy that sanctions extra judicial executions and assassinations of people and its own citizens and then talks about "international orders" and "not killing your own citizens"! How about you actually walk the talk and outlaw the death penalty or your barbaric White House sanctioned assassination program first ?

 

LITTLEMANTATE

3:21 PM ET

March 9, 2012

In my above rant I should have elaborated

the key is pundits (so beloved of technocrats), not popular opinion.

Fitting that a term like pundit, coming down from the Raj, is used.

 

RAJ S

3:35 PM ET

March 9, 2012

Ethnic stereotyping must end

"hard-left Bengali Brahmin" ? "blunt and hard-headed Sikh" ?

Is the Foreign Policy, or the MAD magazine ? Would the author care to describe his own background so we all know where he's coming from as well ?

 

ANILK

11:33 AM ET

March 10, 2012

Stereotyping

Could he be described as "..... underhanded wasp apologist of Western civilization (that after raping the planet, is now masquerading as humanitarian interventionist)"

 

SIDROCK23

3:38 PM ET

March 9, 2012

BRICS keep doing what you are doing

don't listen to this joker or any other moron from the west. remember we are the ones who went around stupidly colonizing, plundering, and raping half the world for the past few centuries. most recently we are the ones who stupidly went on to invade afghanistan and iraq. we are also the ones who sell billions of arms to autocratic regimes in saudi arabia and qatar. and while doing all of this we drove our economies into the ground and are hoping we bring you down with us. and now we are on the verge of perhaps really f**king shit up by hitting iran. so a word of advice from a good 'ol country boy sitting here in the classy, modern, elitist west: keep doing what you are doing, ignore us, just have economic trade with us, keep sending your best and brightest to attend out colleges and universities then have them work in our governments and companies then take them back to your countries and prosper. don't worry about all this "human rights & democracy" gang bang, trust me when i say it is a joke.

 

DOM WYNN

10:05 PM ET

March 9, 2012

your self hate amuses me.

your self hate amuses me.

 

NOTAPPLICABLE

5:39 PM ET

March 9, 2012

No, it's not shameful

because it none of their business. I don't think there were too many countries (or any) sending armies to India to liberate it from Britain. Indians managed that on their own. Sure, it took 200 years but that time taught them how to be a nation again. There are no shortcuts to liberation. But there is enormous pride in doing it on your own.

What Assad is doing to his own people in Syria is horrible. But how do you know that an intervention will be a change for the better? What if a civil war replaces Assad and ends up killing even more? Then what? Didn't exactly that happen in Iraq? Did US intervention actually save lives — net-net? How do we know Saddam wouldn't have been gone by now without US intervention?

Please keep your borrowed shame to yourself. What the Western intellectuals have is colonial guilt, and calling for unilateral intervention is just an attempt to erase that.

 

DOM WYNN

10:10 PM ET

March 9, 2012

Learn some history. India was

Learn some history. India was not unified prior to the British Raj. The Maharta Confederacy for example was antithetical to the northern Maharajas. The Indian sub contintent is a western construct.

If there is western colonial guilt it should be for the correct and historically valid things. Not for nonsense about current power plays in the UN. Real Politic takes precedence over frankly a load of whining posters on this site suggesting that somehow 'we are being correctly punished for our ancestors, even if we don't really understand our own history and in fact have been brain washed to think sunshine, lollipops and rainbows was a result of the new world order'.

 

ROGERMOORE

7:44 AM ET

March 10, 2012

he Indian Subcontinent is NOT a western construct

Dom Wyne first needs to learn some history before he asks others to do. The Indian Subcontinent is not a western construct.That statement is simply a British propoganda to justify their colonialism.The Indian Subcontinent was united first by the Mauryans not the British.Had there not been a two front attacks by the British on the one hand and Afghan tribes on the other, the Marathas would have united the subcontinent any way.Just because some "Northern Maharajas" were not favorably disposed towards Marathas does not deny this historical reality. When a new power or dynasty comes in to unite and bring stability, there will also be opposition from some old gaurds.

 

DUKEOFLANCASTERVI

11:09 AM ET

March 10, 2012

DOM WYNN

Actually, during the Mauryan Empire, the area that is now known as India plus Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and bits of Cambodia were under one nation. Granted, this was 2,300 years ago, which puts it clearly outside the knowledge span of most people in the West, but I think Indian/Hindu memories are a bit longer than those of Americans, Europeans, etc.

And anyway, to outsiders, most of the places around India seemed similar and have been grouped under some identifier (like "Indian") for atleast 3,000 years.

 

ROGERMOORE

12:32 PM ET

March 11, 2012

India is a civilizational nation state

Indian dynasties whether its indigenous ones (like Mauryan dynasty, Satavahana dynasty, Gupta dynasty, Rashtrakuta dynasty, Pala dynasty, Chola dynasty, Marathas) or semi-indigenous ones who got Indianised (Kushans, Mughals) all had the vision of uniting the subcontinent.Some dynasties succeded, some dynasties mostly succeeded, some failed. Indian is a civilizational nation state. Some times it was united , some times it was not.It is no different from other civilizational nation states like for example china.Indian civilization is so ancient that one could take a certain time period of its history and extrapolate it to entire history like how the British took a certain period of Indian history when the India was not united (like after the collapse of Mughal empire and Maratha Empires) and extrapolated it to entire Indian history and came up with this "India was not united before British" myth".Unfortunately, most westerners confuse the British and western writing of Indian history as Indian history itself.

 

MAZO

7:37 AM ET

March 20, 2012

Wynn - Pride comes before the fall.......

.. just as the British learnt when they were forced to humbly pack their belongings and get out of India by an frail old man in a loin cloth!
India, or the land called "India" by the British was united into one cohesive unit multiples times. The concept of "Bharath" is mentioned in the oldest of the Hindu religious texts that is 5000 years old - the Vedas for the Indian sub-continent. Ashoka was the first real King who in recorded history unified the entire sub-continent and his domain extended beyond British India's borders. The Mughals did it again 1200 years later and finally the British. The name "India" itself comes from a Latin name for the Indian sub-continent that was named during Roman Times when there was trade between India and Rome via the Arabs.
The idea that one must stick their nose into every problem and every nation's affairs is antithetical to Indian culture and indeed Asian culture, especially when that interference comes from "aliens" who have no standing or no understanding of the ground realities. This "presumption" is born from the idea that the "West knows best" but experience has shown - particularly to India that the West is clueless at best, with its self-righteousness preaching and naive interpretation and intervention attempts that ultimately do more harm that good!

 

DR. KUCHBHI

6:50 PM ET

March 9, 2012

Nice!

A lesson in morality is what us westerners so well placed to talk about. :-)
C'mon James! You're clutching for straws!!!

 

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KBC

8:21 PM ET

March 9, 2012

Immoral Foreign Policy

And not because India is not supporting the West in most of the humanitarian cases.

Indian immoral foreign policy, the non alignment policy, is based on sacrosanct sovereignty. Kashmir does play an important part but every one fails to appreciate Indian help, albeit unintended one, provided generously to the West.

Indian should be rewarded for bringing an end to the Cold war. India didn't play any role in Sino-Soviet split but the last nail in the communist block happened after Soviets took Indian side in their conflict against China.

After the Cold war, it is India that breaks the unity of anti Western block. First India opposes the Western Unilateralism, and then becomes the first country to break off from Russia and China. It happened in Iran and the same is happening in Syria.

Who says that anything moral in foreign policy. Americans can support Turks in crushing the Kurd. Doesn't that sound immoral? Or how about supporting the tyrants in Bahrain, Kuwait or Jordan?

Which country has moral foreign policy? Papua new Guinea?

 

KBC

10:32 PM ET

March 9, 2012

One More Thing

The epithets "hard-left Bengali Brahmin" and "blunt and hard-headed Sikh" should be taken in context.

Bengalis are known to be pretentious people with an air of intellectualism and Punjabis are known to be ostentatious people with a weird frankness in them. The difference of approach between Ms Rao and Mr. Puri have ethnic reasons.

 

DUKEOFLANCASTERVI

11:05 AM ET

March 10, 2012

Load of crap

Oh, I see...so what you're saying is that their attitudes are there because of their race? Good to see you've paid attention to what's happened in race relations over the last 100 years.

 

KBC

12:24 PM ET

March 10, 2012

no rap without crap

Race relations? Hey duke, there is a term called ethnicity. And yes this crap called ethnicity matters a lot on who you are. The difference in the approach of Rao and Puri, not in policy they follow.

 

ROGERMOORE

12:13 PM ET

March 11, 2012

Yeah right..

Indian scholars and Journalists should also start learning from the ethnicity obsessed westerners and start dissecting the American policy approaches by ethnicity. Does a white president approach towards India would be any different from a half-black president ? Since Americans are mutts, how does a German-English-Scottish-Irish president approach to India would be different from a Kenyan-Swiss- German-Scottish-Irish-Welsh ancestry president ? This would make a nice thesis. lol

 

KBC

2:20 PM ET

March 11, 2012

Once more

It is not the policy, it is the approach. BTW, the first thing that Indians discussed after the accession of Obama was how would a, rather black complexioned president with Muslim history would look at India.

 

ROGERMOORE

11:17 AM ET

March 13, 2012

What approach ..?

Manmohan Singh's doing things is no different from a "Bengali pretentious people with an air of intellectualism" . The same is the case with another Punjabi prime minister Inder kumar Gujral. On the other hand the Bengali politician Mamata Banerjee displays "weird frankness" in her dealings. It is only half truth to suggest that ethenicites define "approach". Ethenicites like human beings are not static and pre defined in their approaches. Some may fit into that description but many others dont. To suggest otherwise is stereotyping based on half truths.

 

KBC

8:09 AM ET

April 2, 2012

Sterotypes

There is a truth in every stereotype. If I say men are stronger than women, you won't bring a female wrestler to prove me wrong. The author simply used a prevalent stereotype to explain the difference in approach of the two diplomats.

 

PDUBEY

12:20 AM ET

March 10, 2012

can't toe the line everytime

Agreed that the new economic powers foreign policy decisiveness has a lot left to be desired.And yes they don't really have any fixed principles but are at best situational.
But atleast for India ,it gets it's inputs of the ground situation from the diaspora living in that country and not from Cnn or a news channel. Secondly sanctions will probably affect and starve more people than the internal strife . For a regime change in the middle east/arab region,we know how suspect the reasons are . Portrayal of most of the arab leaders as madmen is also common. People dont want to back israel's role in iran and syrian resolutions. So how many people will trust western opinion of worsening situations in a country of strategic significance from now on.

 

GRANT

1:07 AM ET

March 10, 2012

Until BRIC (or BRICSA) or

Until BRIC (or BRICSA) or IBSA actually do something to suggest that they are a bloc I will not consider them to be a bloc.

As for India, I wonder if any of their politicians have noted an interesting similarity between the current situation and strong arguments against Indian independence seventy years ago.

 

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March 10, 2012

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8:59 AM ET

March 10, 2012

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JAN Z. VOLENS

3:38 PM ET

March 10, 2012

India, South Africa, Brazil are the SOUTH not the WEST !

Geo-diplomatically IBSA is the SOUTH , and independent from the WEST (USA & NATO "Partners"). That is the "point" of IBSA - a "multi-polar" world - which is not dominated by the neocolonial WEST. And that links IBSA to BRICS - which represents the already emerged independent geo-diplomatic poles. BRICS may be quite disimilar in many aspects - but united in the aim to "stand up" as independent from "partnership" of the WEST .

 

KTS10110

6:06 PM ET

March 11, 2012

I wonder what the people of Kashmir

would have to say about India's "anti-colonial" stance? The US left Iraq and will leave Afghanistan, but will India ever leave kashmir? They only claim anti-colonialism when it suits their purposes. The Security Council is already divided enough without adding countries who don't belong. India was never "non-aligned". In fact they aligned very closely to the Soviet Union. That alone speaks volumes and shows they can't be trusted. They also still have a midieval caste system. We should limit our cooperation in all fields including Afghanistan. I wonder if President Obama is having second thoughts yet of publicly supporting these jokers for the security council? It's really paid off.

 

ROGERMOORE

11:31 AM ET

March 13, 2012

Get your facts right

Kashmir has been part of India and closely linked to Indian civilization since thousands of years. It is the birth place of Shivaite Hinduism.To compare it with US occupation of Afghanistan is silly. The indigenous people of Kashmir are Hindu Kashmiri Pandits (who are driven out of Kashmir by Islamic terrorists), not the Muslims of Kashmir.

Also, dont confuse caste discrimination with caste system. Caste system has many positive things like taking care of one's community without looking for govt benefits, protecting local and indigenous communities and knowledge from outside inmical forces etc. One of the reasons (although not the only one) why India remained Hindu inspite of centuries of Islamic rule is because of Caste system. Caste discrimination is wrong and should be discouraged. But caste also has and had offered many poisitive things to the community.

With resect to UNSC, it is a joke right now. A UNSC which is based on 1940s distribution of power cannot offer solutions in a 2010 distribution of power. In 2020 and 2030 when countries like India overtake UNSC members like Britain and France in comprehensive national power, it will become even more irrelevant. India not in UNSC is a loss to UNSC, not to India.

 

FILMINIIZLE

7:03 PM ET

March 11, 2012

If past protests were

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FILMINIIZLE

7:04 PM ET

March 11, 2012

If past protests were

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LITTLEMANTATE

8:46 PM ET

March 11, 2012

Dom Wynn, re those norms you insist we inforce

does that include the Nuremburg laws vis-a-vis wars of aggression? If so, Assad might have to take a number behind some of the architects of the Iraq war. Shades of Fallujah in Homs? Or shall we just pick and choose, like we always do.

I'll even grant you the Russians and Chinese would probably be liable to international justice, if we enforced it in an impartial way. But just as the Nuremburg laws were already tainted (thanks to the Soviets), so international law is basically the big countries dictating to the small. A law that is only enforced on the relatively weak isn't very defensible. It smacks of hypocrisy, high-minded moralizing vis-a-vis tinpot dictators and realpolitik vis-a-vis world powers.

 

MICHAELGERALDPDEALINO

3:08 AM ET

March 12, 2012

BRICS-BULL

BRICS are just a lot of bull.

 

C. NANDKISHORE

10:34 AM ET

March 12, 2012

we have been through all this before.

Why do Indians behave like this? Well, we have been through all this before.

In the Mahabharata, Bhisma was the greatest warrior. He took a vow to guard the kingdom of Hastinapur. So, when the royal daughter in law of Hastinapur was being de robed in the court of the king in front of all the people, Bhisma did not do anything. His excuse: he vow is to protect the kingdom of Hastinapur not its daughter in law. Had he lifted even his little finger she wouldn't have been de robed. Later however this did not stop Bhisma from giving a lecture on how a king should behave.

Fast forward. USA has vowed to protect the GCC. It has not taken a vow to protect its people. Had USA lifted its little finger shias wouldn't have been killed in Bahrain. However this has not stopped USA from lecturing India about Syria.

Both Nirupam Sen and Hardeep Singh Puri know this story but to explain this to
James Traub they have to take another life.

 

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March 12, 2012

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2:24 PM ET

March 14, 2012

This is not rocket science,

This is not rocket science, foreign policy is about interests. Where are the US's strongly worded condemnations of abuses in Bahrain? They dont exist and if they were ever brought to the UN the US would veto them immediately, instability in the Gulf is contrary to American interest. India is the single greatest beneficiary of sanctions against Iran, Iran backs the Alawite, Shia runoff, regime of Syria, in a proxy war with Saudi Arabia, and India backs Iran. Dont try to make this about morality, this is about rationality, if you want moral foreign policy then start by looking at what your own governments policy is, maybe check to see when they last visited the Saudi royal family; my guess is recently; whether your from the US or Europe, and then start knocking on India.

 

FAVIOLA RIDGEWAY

5:29 AM ET

April 7, 2012

India and South Africa

India and South Africa did, however, vote for a similar resolution this February, which Russia and China -- the other BRICS members on the council this year vetoed. This week, I met with Hardeep Singh Puri, India's ambassador to the United Nations