Top 10 Lessons of the Iraq War

Now that the war is officially over and most U.S. forces have withdrawn, what are the most important takeaways?

BY STEPHEN M. WALT | MARCH 20, 2012

This month marks the ninth anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Regardless of your views on the wisdom of that decision, it's fair to say that the results were not what most Americans expected.  Now that the war is officially over and most U.S. forces have withdrawn, what lessons should Americans (and others) draw from the experience? There are many lessons that one might learn, of course, but here are my Top 10 Lessons from the Iraq War.

Lesson #1:  The United States lost. The first and most important lesson of Iraq war is that we didn't win in any meaningful sense of that term. The alleged purpose of the war was eliminating Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, but it turns out he didn't have any. Oops. Then the rationale shifted to creating a pro-American democracy, but Iraq today is at best a quasi-democracy and far from pro-American. The destruction of Iraq improved Iran's position in the Persian Gulf -- which is hardly something the United States intended -- and the costs of the war (easily exceeding $1 trillion dollars) are much larger than U.S. leaders anticipated or promised. The war was also a giant distraction, which diverted the Bush administration from other priorities (e.g., Afghanistan) and made the United States much less popular around the world.

This lesson is important because supporters of the war are already marketing a revisionist version. In this counternarrative, the 2007 surge was a huge success (it wasn't, because it failed to produce political reconciliation) and Iraq is now on the road to stable and prosperous democracy. And the costs weren't really that bad. Another variant of this myth is the idea that President George W. Bush and Gen. David Petraeus had "won" the war by 2008, but President Obama then lost it by getting out early. This view ignores the fact that the Bush administration negotiated the 2008 Status of Forces agreement that set the timetable for U.S. withdrawal, and Obama couldn't stay in Iraq once the Iraqi government made it clear it wanted us out.

The danger of this false narrative is obvious: If Americans come to see the war as a success -- which it clearly wasn't -- they may continue to listen to the advice of its advocates and be more inclined to repeat similar mistakes in the future.

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Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international affairs at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. Professor Walt is the author of Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy (2005), and, with coauthor J.J. Mearsheimer, The Israel Lobby (2007).

HURRICANEWARNING

3:25 PM ET

March 20, 2012

Maybe the best "lesons of the

Maybe the best "lesons of the Iraq war" article I have ever read. Food for thought for sure. Thankyou Professor Walt.

 

MAXMAXWELL

11:43 AM ET

March 21, 2012

I have to agree; this was a

I have to agree; this was a great read. There's a lot to be learned from Iraq - it's unfortunate the leadership seems to be ignoring these lessons as the war drum for Iran beats louder and louder.

 

IDONTTHINKSO

7:27 PM ET

March 21, 2012

There Is No Lesson

Because when a country like USA which main goals in Afghanistan are to feed the oil company's our military can't face a country like Afghanistan because for them its not about the money, for them it's about there life and even if the official war is against the talibans many people will support their country by fighting next to the talibans but the probleme ther is that if a big country does a mistake it's posted everywhere for example when wikileaks found out about the military's killing civilians it became a worldwide scandal and this is what is happening in Afghanistan because the civilians are mixed with the talibans and it makes it harder for the military to find the real ennemy. What I'm trying to explane is that the US military aren't fighting for a good cause (like making the oil company's rich) in their minds it's not as important as if there was a worldwar and and what they need is pressure for them to actually do an effort. The only lesson whe can get from this is that the american people fall to easly for conspiracy's like 9/11.

 

BBBELL

9:13 AM ET

March 22, 2012

What About the Constitution?

I've always felt that the #1 lesson learned (excuse me re-learned again and again) is that our Congress must follow its Constitutional responsibility to declare war in these "wars of choice" situations, not just authorize the President to do what he thinks is best. I doubt seriously that the Congress would have found enough votes to actually declare war on Iraq. It found it easy, however, to put the burden of responsibility squarely in the President's court where he and his small group of unelected advisors could make the decision to invade Iraq and take America into extended combat. In the case of the need for war declarations, our founding fathers got it exactly right. So, why doesn't Congress exercise its power and the responsibility subscribed to it, or is the Constitution just an outdated piece of paper, relegated to the dust bin of history?

 

MY2CENTSMORE

4:14 PM ET

March 22, 2012

How many oil field are there

How many oil field are there in Afghanistan? Oh, that's right, they don't have any.

Then why are the oil companies pushing the US to invade Afghanistan? Oh, that's right, they aren't.

Get a life.

 

PECAVI

6:01 PM ET

March 22, 2012

Look a further north.

Look a further north. Caspian Sea, one big oil field.

 

PHILBEST

9:18 PM ET

March 23, 2012

Henry K was right. When will we admit it?

Henry Kissinger was right. When are we going to admit it?
"Nation building" is a waste of time with medieval CULTURES.
The best we can hope for, is that nations with cultures that are inimical to progressive democracy, will have dictators who FEAR the free world. When a dictator like Saddam starts to cause trouble, the USA should fund and supply his opposition, and topple him in favour of a dictator who does fear us. Repeat as necessary.
Nobody should complain, after this, that the USA "props up corrupt dictators". They TRIED to bring progressive democracy to two nations in the Islamic world. The people of those nations refused it; or at least allowed violent minorities to re-assert de facto (and soon to be real) dictatorship.
Neither is it reasonable to expect the free world to tolerate dictators in those nations who dedicate themselves to spreading revolution and mayhem beyond their borders, regardless of how "popular" this might seem to make them with "their people". It is their choice to "hate" rather than come into the modern world of tolerance and reason and co-exist on that basis with the rest of the international community. Maybe they need to think along the lines that their deity is NOT pleased with them and WON'T allow them to impose a medieval theocratic empire on the world?

 

ALANAUSS

1:00 AM ET

March 27, 2012

Two Words

Dear ignorent friend. two words for you. Central asian oil pipeline and Drugs. Drugs market is way bigger than the oil market and Afghanistan has been the biggest producer. During the Taliban government era, the drug production was virtually halted. Now the production levels are at all time high. Just because there is no listed market for drugs, doesn't mean there is no market market.

 

WEMEANTWELL

4:39 PM ET

March 20, 2012

Is the juice going to be worth the squeeze?

Ask that question prior to starting any war. Be sure to understand what it is you're going to want out of a war before you start, and make sure you have a plan to get there.

Since the fiasco (thanks Tom!) in Iraq, we have continued the no-win war in Afghanistan, our Army now starting to show the same kinds of cracks we saw after Vietnam. We helped descend Libya and Yemen into semi-chaos and militarized the horn of Africa and beyond. It appears the US can't wait to figure out some way to intervene in Syria, and of course Iran. Pakistan has devolved in the interim, and any good that might have come from the Arab spring has dissipated, water into the sand. Our economy is a mess, oil is priced high and ready to rise on the hint of another conflict.

We didn't learn anything in Iraq.

Peter Van Buren
www.wemeantwell.com

 

THE MIGHTY CYNIC

5:32 PM ET

March 20, 2012

"But at that point the stars aligned"

And 5 Israelis were there to tape it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTe50UUgM

Ehud Barak was preaching for a war on terror from hour zero, Professor.

 

XEXON

6:40 PM ET

March 20, 2012

So little on Israel

From the Congressional Record - Senate, May 20, 2004, pages S5921-S5925,

Senator Ernest "Fritz" Hollings said we invaded Iraq to secure Israel.

Yes or no?

x

 

DCDANIEL

10:02 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Lessons Learned?

Is there any doubt, any doubt at all that Isreal was behind this invasion, after all Saddam was sending money to the Palestinians. Now they are beating the drums of war against a much larger and stronger nation: Iran. How do you think that's going to work out for the United States? Israel dictating American policy, again. With friends like that who needs enemies?

 

DAN HUCK

7:07 PM ET

March 20, 2012

Realistically, "We benefitted, and we will continue"

Isn't it true the "We" who benefitted are the true leaders of our country? Are they the 25 neoconservatives Tom Friedman talked about? If so, they obviously have a lot of friends below the radar. Who are they? What is their connection to each other?

Those of us who agree the 10 lessons are right on target need to find out more about those who have benefitted, how they feel Iraq was, and continues to be, a successful endeavor, and how they managed to control the "marketplace of ideas", and what needs to be done to extricate ourselves from their control.

Are they the same leaders who are now blocking peace in Palestine, ruining the physical, social and governmental infrastructure (admittedly already in pretty bad shape) of other vulnerable nations in the Mideast ? Paving the way for an Iranian debacle?

Where there is smoke, there's fire. How deep does the Israel connection go? Is our "special relationship" with Israel simply a massive example of what Machiavelli referred to in #5? Where Steve, in talking specifically about Iraq, and self-interested foreigners, listed in two words: Ahmed Chalabi. When it comes to
determining who is benefitting by our over-all Mideast policy, can that self-interested foreign entity not by listed in one word: Israel?

 

ALLAN ERICKSON

7:11 PM ET

March 20, 2012

Lessons from Iraq

We lost? Iraq is no longer a threat to its neighbors or the larger world. Iraqis have the makings of a democracy they've yearned for and they have some form of representation. Their oil resources are no longer solely in the hands of a madman who was working with N. Korea and others to develop nukes. Thanks to the invasion, Qaddafi halted his nuclear program. Certainly we all thought Saddam had WMD. We knew he had possessed various weapons of this kind before, and used them, and the intelligence strongly indicated he was escalating. Given the unfolding post-9/11 situation it made all the sense in the world to react to another demonstrated threat, especially given U.N. Security Counsel resolutions, and the provisions of the Gulf War cease fire that made the 2003 invasion more a matter of resumption of hostilities than preemption. Of course we should have had more troops and locked the country down immediately. Certainly it was a huge mistake disbanding the Iraqi army and police, leaving defeated and humiliated me fully armed with nothing to do but fight us, hence the insurgency. But never forget, establishing the battlefield there, and drawing in the jihadists resulted in the killing or capture of most of the leadership in Al Qaeda, sending terrorists everywhere a message: attack America, and you pay the price. Radical Islam understands only one message: fear. Unless they fear us, the do not respect us, and without fear and respect, there is no basis for peace. Thirteen hundred years of history should have taught us that much. Tragically, we left too soon, and we'll pay for sending a message of weakness, as we are doing now in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

 

XTXT

8:26 PM ET

March 20, 2012

Iraq a threat to the world since when?

Threat to its neighbor, very true, especially to Iran.

 

JOHNBOY4546

8:41 PM ET

March 20, 2012

"Tragically, we left too soon,"

Heck, Allan, if I buy you the airline ticket will you go to Iraq and make things right?

This situation is just beggin' for a masked hero, so off you go........

 

SIN NOMBRE

10:33 PM ET

March 20, 2012

#1 with a bullet

Allan Erickson wrote:

"We lost?"

While we might not like hearing it here (I don't), nevertheless I think that Allan has well articulated the biggest challenge that Iraq War critics have, and has shown Walt's counter-argument (his #1) to be greatly deficient.

What both Walt and Allan miss in assessing whether we won or lost this war is the most fundamental aspect of it, which shows we did indeed lose. After all Bush himself said that even if he knew Saddam had no WMD he still would have invaded, so what *was* our big goal in Iraq?

Clearly it was the big component at the time of "the war on terror," with this of course referring to 9/11, and let's even expand it to say it was a component of trying to blunt arab/moslem hostility to the U.S. so as to better our position with same.

So let's assess it from this standpoint, and start from one of the "smallest" points to be made therefrom: First, we delivered unto the terrorists some 4500 of our own people to be killed, and probably some additional 15-20,000 to be terribly wounded. These are Americans who would never have been killed or wounded but for the war.

Second, as has been observed, Iran is routinely called the biggest supporter of terrorism that exists. And, as everyone has observed, even the neo-cons, what's happened due to our invasion of Iraq has been ... ta da ... the empowerment of Iran. And Iran's influence over Iraq and benefits therefrom are by all accounts just starting and look set to just grow and grow.

And then, thirdly—or perhaps way way down the line, but still the biggest—is just that no-one can really deny that our invasion of Iraq just absolutely, monstrously increased the hatred that existed in the Middle East against us and certainly has been an absolute boon for terrorist recruiters there. Before we invaded I believe damn near every country in the region was both officially and unofficially siding with us in sympathy after the 9/11 attack. And then after we invaded Iraq? We killed some 100,000 or more Iraqis alone, and now are making damn near every Arab feel like he or she is living by our grace under our drones.

Does anyone believe for a moment that this has or will decrease the terrorism that will be launched against us? That it has or will get us anything other than hatred and difficulties from the ME arab countries for decades?

And then one must factor in the damage done to our own politics, our own liberties, the tremendous economic damage we did to ourselves, and on and on.

Put it this way: Who probably was one of the happiest men on the planet seeing what we did in Iraq, and what we did to Arab and moslem sensibilities about the U.S., and what we did to ourselves? The answer is obvious, Osama bin Laden.

In anyone's book that's called Losing with a capital L.

 

TOIVOS

10:51 PM ET

March 20, 2012

Sorry allan we lost

And we lost big time. The current government in Iraq is now Iran's ally. Before we invaded it was Iran's enemy. Have you yet noticed that Iraqi oil contracts are being awarded to China, American oil companies are being frozen out. We lost 4,500 American troops plus another 20,000 seriously wounded at a cost of at least 1 trillion dollars. And the net result is that the current government is allied with our enemy Iran.

With those results, how can you make the claim we won? Are capable of rational thought? What exactly did we win? It is true that the current government of Iraq was voted in by a majority of its citizens but these are voters that hate our guts. Again, what exactly was it that you think we won?

 

TARDALOVA

8:48 AM ET

March 21, 2012

Disagree

I am sorry but I have to disagree to a point. Unless we have taken the Roman Doctrine we had no business in Iraq. The intelligence was faulty and the Bush Administration knew that early on. Iraq is not a safer place, it's more unstable than when it was run by Saddam. This Quasi Democracy will crumble and once again there will be a dictator in charge.

 

CFOUNTAIN72

11:47 AM ET

March 21, 2012

And what a Grand Success it was...

Yes, it was a success. Reminds me of a termite inspector who comes to your house, tells you you have termites, then burns your house down, and says, "It was a success: all the termites are gone!"

Of course, in this case, the storyline would be worse, since there were actually no termites (WMD's), he still charged you ($2,300+ for each and every American to 'liberate' Iraq), and there's nothing you can do about it (the instigators of this 'success' are all enjoying careers and/or nice retirements, instead of prison cells).

Yes, I am sure that if we had just stayed 'a few more years', and just killed 'a few more civilians', 'they' would suddenly 'fear and respect' us. Maybe the deaths of 100,000+ Iraqi's wasn't quite enough. Maybe destroying their infrastructure wasn't quiet enough. Maybe murdering 16 Afghans in cold blood will be enough? Maybe more strikes using robot death kites will be enough?

The longer we are there, the more civilians will die, the more torture will occur, the more money will be spent, the more soldiers will be killed, the more orphans we will have, and the more enemies we will create. Sure sounds like success to me!

Peace be with you.

 

DCDANIEL

10:07 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Lessons

Great post Allan, by the way, how's the weather in Tel Aviv?

 

DCDANIEL

10:07 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Lessons

Great post Allan, by the way, how's the weather in Tel Aviv?

 

PLUTARCH2020

6:13 PM ET

March 22, 2012

Allen is Wrong

Allen, Iraq wasn't much of a threat to its neighbors before the war, and it was never, ever a threat to the "larger world." As for democracy it is laughable to use Iraq and democracy in the same sentence without a negative.

Also you need to read up on your facts a bit: Iraq wasn't working on a nuclear weapon after 1991 Qadhafi didn't have a nuclear program and his WMD programs were not halted solely because of the Iraq war (it had more to do with improved interdiction efforts and persuasion by his son), and not everyone thought Saddam had WMD- the State Department's INR dissented from the other intelligence agencies in 2002 and France and Russia did not believe Iraq had WMD.

As for al Qaeda, this would be a bare minimum for qualifying Iraq as a strategic victory: the defeat of AQI. Unfortunately AQI still exists, and thrives in Iraq whereas before the invasion it did not have any foothold in the country.

You should also read up more on public international law and how UN Security Council Resolutions really work. There was no UN authorization for OIF in 2003, UNSCR 678 does not carry over to, nor justify the new conflict.

This is precisely what Prof. Walt is talking about. The narrative by war supporters has already solidified. We saw this with the Vietnam war; the US didn't really lose, it was the Democrats, and the ARVN. It will be a long struggle but those interested in the truth must fight back against this mythologizing of the Iraq war.

One final note please use paragraph breaks as it will be easier to read your posts.

 

MCMLXVII

7:51 PM ET

March 20, 2012

Yup, this article pretty much sums it up...

...and for much of this article one could simply replace "Iraq" with "Afghanistan" and the point would still stand.

 

MARKTHOMASON

7:23 AM ET

March 21, 2012

classic

This article could become a classic. It should.

 

CIVILTY

7:59 AM ET

March 21, 2012

Good day

I've never been convinced of the whole "neocon" angle, none the less, I think the validity of the decision to invade is still quite debatable. Given the context around that time, its a very interesting question. I personally think the nuclear wmd pretext given was created as a result of the UN being a blocking mechanism for radical muslim countries. The UN otherwise wouldn't have acted. I think it is quite easy to say that the decision to remove saddam was moral. Just because the UN is amoral, it does not then follow that good nations have to be similarly amoral. Of course the french and many other countries at the time used this as an opportunity to paint the US as the "amoral aggressive imperialist" one for their own domestic political considerations. It does not make it true however. The iraqi people wanted the US to remove saddam and welcomed the americans as liberators. There is no question that debaathification was poorly executed. But was the initial invasion successful and moral? I would have to say yes.

For me, the real tradgedy from the iraq war, besides of course the soldiers losses and injuries, is the fact that it might now have a rubber band effect on US policy towards Iran, i.e. ironically swaying policy towards doing the wrong thing now in attempt to somehow right iraq'sperceived wrongs. I think many people are falling prey to this line of thinking. While it sounds great and has some "intellectual" trappings, its really a flawed way of looking at what is taking place right now with iran. I am not sure Mr. Walt is giving you the straight dope. Why would he do that? He's ideological and has his biases, like any of us do.

 

DCDANIEL

10:20 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Moral?

Since when is invading a soverign nation on a lie moral? "welcomed the americans [sic] as liberators"? Are you kidding me? You are aware that the welcoming crowds killed more than a few American liberators with their welcome and Al- Qaeda now has a strong hold in Iraq which would have been impossible with the previous government. Oh, and let's not forget the country has now almost been annexed by Iran.

 

DVANATTA

8:17 AM ET

March 21, 2012

middle-class

Professor Walt notes that one of the mistakes of policy-makers was to believe that because of Iraq's large middle class "democratization" would be easy.

While it's true that Iraq can be classified as a "middle-income" country -- divide the GDP by the population and Iraq ranks fairly high in the world even now -- that does not mean it has a middle class in the American sense. Policy makers missed this because they didn't want to see it in the rush to war, of course. But they also missed it because of the US' unusual history, and because they did not know much of that history. The key assumption was that as a country becomes rich its people want, and automatically know how to get, idealized American democracy. If only the bad institutions are removed, then "those people" will act just like "us."

American policy has repeatedly made this mistake of assuming that economics determine politics at least three times since 1914 -- at Versailles, when the USSR collapsed, and in Iraq. In each case, the costs of rectifying the mistake have been very high for the US and the world.

 

TARDALOVA

9:09 AM ET

March 21, 2012

Good Point

DVanatta . I will have to agree that we have kept the same ideology of FP in regards to bringing democracy to other countries (usually through violence and the promise of money). While many people (certainly not governments) in poorer countries look up to America's prosperity and freedoms, and they would like to have some of if in their lives, they are also by all means fundamentally different culturally. I think once we lean that people cannot be bought in terms of changing their beliefs, we will leap forward and be a better steward to our global neighbors.

 

PER KUROWSKI

8:58 AM ET

March 21, 2012

Tragically you lost a great opportunity to advance democracy

For me, an oil-cursed citizen, Venezuela, the most important lesson, a tragic lesson, is that the USA missed out on the mother of all opportunities to advance real democracy, by failing to help install an oil-revenue sharing mechanism whereby all Iraqi got their oil dividend a la Alaska.

As is you will now just have to sit and wait for the next Saddam Hussein, who, from what we see, could have immensely larger resources available than what Saddam Hussein ever had.

Please listen to the unheeded plea that, as an oiled cursed citizen, I made to America some years ago http://bit.ly/wJFlqU

 

PRESTOAA

9:50 AM ET

March 21, 2012

Press

I believe the greatest failure was the failure of the US press to really scrutinize what was being said and the claims being made. It was like jingoism on speed, a total and utter shameful failure to question our "leaders". Some of the foreign press was much more questioning and analytical. If we could encourage our citizens to read more foreign analysis in times of crisis maybe we would have better outcomes. But that will never happen.

I question whether any country fully understands another, even those culturally similar.

The US is incredibly secure but it's citizens, and maybe it's leading politicians, seem to suffer from great insecurity - a paradox.

 

COYOTE99

9:52 AM ET

March 21, 2012

Lesson 1

The original purpose of the war was to remove Saddam Hussein from power-all of the original operational level military orders and presentations from 2002-2003 make this clear. We did. We conquered Babylon faster than anyone in the history of the world and removed the Baathists from power. Saddam was the strategic and operational center of gravity and there has been a struggle for new centers ever since.
Walt's "alleged purpose" of WMD is important to him to try to set the standard for victory and from his own standartd then be able to declare a loss. This allowis him to use the negative perspective only for the rest of the paper . He is wrong on this baseline point and that casts doubt on his subsequent points. WMD was the foreign policy noise but not the real purpose, for without Saddam, was WMD relevant? I suspect that his first point is more political in character than academically honest. Or as a minimum, so narrowly focused that it ignores the significance of removing Saddam from power.

 

JDP

10:28 AM ET

March 21, 2012

A Victory, but a Pyrrhic Victory

Agree with Coyote. Our initial goal (2003) was to remove Saddam Hussein and dismantle his WMD programs and we succeeded. Our secondary goals were to transition Iraq into a democracy and in the long term we succeeded, however imperfectly. By 2007-2008 our immediate goals had evolved to neutralizing AQI and reigning in the Shia militias; again we succeeded, but lost way too many men doing it. If we had been able to withdraw from Iraq in 2005, which was Rumsfeld's original plan, and left it looking exactly as it does today, we'd be ecstatic. The problem was that it took way to much blood and treasure to accomplish our aims.

I also question measuring the success of a war by its initial goals. Goals change, unless you want to argue that Britain technically lost World War 2, since Poland wasn't free and independent in 1945.

 

SIN NOMBRE

10:39 AM ET

March 21, 2012

Keen argument, but....

COYOTE99:

I think you argued quite keenly here, even if I think you are wrong. Thus let me try to inveigle you into answering a simple question persuading you you are wrong:

Given *all* the consequences of *all* of what it took to remove Saddam—all the dead, all the hatred we've engendered against us, all the cost and economic damage, all the empowerment of Iran, all the distrust now of us—can you really say that it was still worth it? Just to get rid of Saddam?

Remember: We aren't talking hypothetically: Saddam it turned out did *not* have WMDs, and *wasn't* backing terrorism against us. So you gotta answer this looking at it coldly in terms of what actually turned out to be the case, rather than what it might have looked like before.

Will be interested in your response.

 

COYOTE99

12:08 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Thank you

You make the same leap that Walt does by framing winning and losing in your terms and further his position by assuming my answer. I never said in my response or implied that the answer to your "simple" question of, "was it worth it" is yes. You apparently assumed my answer because I challenged Walt's academic integrity on this lesson.
My point remains that integrity requires evaluating won or lost from all perspectives. A political agenda, academic dishonesty or an emotive stance frames the question in such a way to limit the answers "simply."
And thank you, I remain well versed in the non-hypotheticals of the decision to remove Saddam and the . My particuular versing began in the mid 1980s and ended in 2009. You again attempt to dictate how I or others are supposed to look at the answer in the same way that you assumed my response. Here's what I really think, seperate from the "cold" rear view mirror perspective of your lense that you claim I must use to answer your question:
There was no military reason to invade Iraq. There was no strategic reason to invade Iraq. There were political and regional reasons but they were marginal and debateable. As to the end result, it is still very much playing out and you have both sides to argue from as to how it will viewed. To be clear; I opposed the war prior (not in this rearview mirror view popular in this political cycle) but I kept my oath and did my duty as best I could after I had offerred my opinion. The fact remains that we took Babylon faster than anyone in history. Your question is valid; was it worth it or so what? That is the lesson I wish Walt would have offered as number 1.

 

SIN NOMBRE

2:53 PM ET

March 21, 2012

@ COYOTE99 & LABEL FREE

In response to my post which replied to his original, COYOTE99 wrote:

"You make the same leap that Walt does by framing winning and losing in your terms and further his position by assuming my answer. I never said in my response or implied that the answer to your 'simple' question of, 'was it worth it' is yes."

A.) I most clearly did *not* frame the "winning/losing" question in my terms:

In response to Walt's original piece *you* were the one who posted saying that "[t]he original purpose of the war was to remove Saddam" and then further noted how we conquered Babylon faster than anyone else, and thus *you* were the one clearly suggesting that this was the correct frame. Elsewise, what was the entire purpose of your post?

My simple question to you then was framed on *your* terms.

B.) And no, nowhere did I aver that you either said or implied the answer to my simple question to you.

Indeed, that's why I *asked* you that question.

And I now note that while you have even praised my question, you have still not answered it, together shifting your position away from your first framing of the winning/losing question.

@ LABEL FREE:

Yes I do think we have done ourselves tremendous damage across the arab/moslem world with our invasion of Iraq. But yes you make a point that even before same we had our problems there no doubt. What, however, did those stem from *primarily*? Well, we went from being heroes essentially in the arab/moslem eyes after WWII because of our opposition to colonialism ... to being at the very least greatly disliked because of our essential policy to support Israeli aggression and neo-colonialism. So that then, by invading Iraq all we did was just spectacularly confirm what bin Laden told his world: That we had no respect for their rights of sovereignty or their lives, and as I said in an earlier post, I think bin Laden was probably the happiest man on the planet in terms of how our Iraq adventure turned out.

Thus I'm not arguing that Iraq and Iraq *alone* is the cause of our problems in the ME, but instead believe it just essentially confirmed the worst suspicions about us in the arab/muslim mind, and think this will last for a generation if not longer and cause us all sorts of grief throughout same. Sort of like ... we managed to turn what could have been a temporary cold into something that now isn't going to go away for a decade or so, and we can't even imagine how bad it can get.

Again, turning your situation from a temporary one causing mild-to-moderate problems into a possibly permanent one causing untold problems is called Losing big-time in my book. If your doctor did it to you, you'd sue.

I respect your articulate disagreement with this however, for sure.

 

PLUTARCH2020

6:23 PM ET

March 22, 2012

No, this was not the original

No, this was not the original purpose of the war. The original purpose of the war was to disarm Iraq of WMD, and very closely related to that was to set up a democratic government in Iraq. Both objectives failed.

Saddam's removal from power was a necessary condition of these goals but was not in of itself the end goal. Remember, Bush gave Saddam the opportunity to leave Iraq prior to the war, but if he had left it would not have stopped the war itself.

No one, no one at all, especially not Saddam, thought that the US military could not tactically defeat the Iraqi military, which is why the Baathists bet on an insurgency rather than a stand-up fight.

 

ALANITO

9:05 AM ET

March 23, 2012

You are both correct

You are just answering different questions. Coyotee99, you seem to be answering a question of tactics. Did we do what we set out to do? Tactically, we did. we removed Saddam and ensured that he could not use WMD or nukes.

Dr. Walt is asking a strategic question. Did we gain from our actions? The answer to that question is a resounding no, we have lost from our actions.

 

IRAQVET

10:34 AM ET

March 23, 2012

Monday Morning Prof

As for 'losing', tell that to 3ID and USMC, who did in 6 weeks what Iran never could do with Scuds and children on minefields, etc. in their 10 year+ war with Iraq.

If we had done nothing ... we would still have US Air Force jets flying over Iraq in the 'no-fly zones' in North/South (but not Baghdad). And "boots on the ground" would be hapless/helpless UN "inspectors" still running around in circles (perhaps a few Harvard grads mixed in for good measure?).

Udai and Qusai would be taking over the family business about now. Etc.

But it doesn't matter - we abandoned that place just like we are soon to abandon Afghanistan.

 

SGTD13FOX

2:07 AM ET

March 27, 2012

Uh-huh..

Except for CNN BBC Al Jazeera and every other left leaning news org who maintained through the last possible moment ( when reality asserted itself) that the us army would be decimated by the republican guard. The Baathists were also the first people to realize the value of a unified government and were instrumental in helping us negotiate with JAM and other militias. So I guess I'm telling you to suck it because you're an uninformed revisionist contrarian jerkoff.

 

WILLIAM DEB. MILLS

12:04 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Empire Is Out-Dated Grand Strategy

This is an extremely informative list of lessons for the empire-builders among us, Professor Walt. Don’t you just wish our opinionated politicians would take these lessons to heart?

The best of the list is the last, because it focuses not on the sorry history of Iraq that everyone insists on forgetting, denying, and ignoring, but on U.S. foreign policy going forward. You correctly point out that the U.S. is not very good at running other societies, but the mindset that gets us into all these problems is even more fundamentally flawed. The simple truth is that the U.S. does not need empire, although empire may be infinitely profitable for certain individuals. The other half of that coin is that no Hitler is even remotely on the horizon. The U.S. can afford to deal, and there is no state on the globe with which the U.S. cannot legitimately deal.

Individuals may merit being blacklisted, and political factions may merit being blacklisted, but I doubt that a single state exists today with which the U.S. cannot find a win-win path to doing morally justifiable business. We can trade food for nuclear restraint with North Korea, after all! We could work with liberal Pakistani factions to strengthen democracy and economic security as a viable long-term replacement for the current U.S. focus on attacking militants. We could replace our Afghan war policy with a backseat role of encouraging an international Muslim coalition to promote non-violent social reforms. We could cut any number of useful deals with Iran, from stemming the export of Afghan drugs to defining a regional nuclear security regime. We could even cooperate in a manner that would benefit our long-term security with a variety of Israeli factions (though probably not with factions that advocate the violent establishment of a Greater Israel or wars of aggression).

But all that would require a much more flexible and informed approach to dealing with the world than the U.S. has had for quite a few years, and it would require recognition that building a military empire is an out-dated grand strategy.

 

SGTD13FOX

12:54 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Life lessons from the ivory tower

So I'm a loser eh, Walt my boy? I bet you wouldn't say that to my face; that would actually involve you descending from your ivory tower to take in the realities on the ground. Can you, or any of the so-called experts in the comments even name a single Iraqi tribe without resorting to wikipedia? Your analysis is shallow and full of the talking points I have come to expect from your ilk. 28 months in-country, Walt, with all the scars and tattoos to prove it: those are my qualifications to speak on the subject, what are yours?
So we lost? Just the fact that you would talk about something this massive in scope in terms of a sports metaphor like win/loss (btw Harvard teams suck the big one) should disqualify you from public debate. It's clear to me that your intent is to masturbate the liberal psyche while antagonizing anyone trying to honestly come to grips with the duality inherent in nation building.
We built schools, hospitals, a government not actively raping and killing its people,gave suffrage to women, RECONCILED two sects that were tearing Iraq apart and this is a loss? I would do it again in a heartbeat. Out.

 

PLUTARCH2020

6:29 PM ET

March 22, 2012

You Lost

I'll say it to your face. Let me know where you live. But yeah the US lost the Iraq war, and you prove Walt's point in your second to last sentence. How in the world are the Sunnis and Shiites reconciled? On what planet did that occur? Was that before or after the sectarian civil war? There is a huge disconnect between reality and what you wrote.

 

TOIVOS

12:23 AM ET

March 23, 2012

sorry for your suffering s13fox

But the US lost the war big time. The US military was not defeated on the battlefield as they were not defeated in Vietnam. But in both cases we failed to achieve our political goals with the use of our military. Since we were the invaders in both cases and failed to achieve our goals the wars have to be considered failures. That means we lost. Continue to be proud of your scars and tattoos but it might help you to understand that your reasoning and thinking is seriously flawed -- head trauma by any chance?

 

ALANITO

9:10 AM ET

March 23, 2012

Not Head Trauma

Most likely just a coping mechanism. It's terribly hard to face the fact that so many gave so much for so little, especially when you are the one giving.

 

TOIVOS

10:38 PM ET

March 23, 2012

Damn Alinito that sounds

Damn Alinito that sounds really sad. Those who gave the most receive the less.

 

SGTD13FOX

9:24 PM ET

March 26, 2012

Philadelphia

Check Southwest airlines, they do a really cheap flight to philly. Let me know when you get here and you can get embarrassed in public by a disabled vet. I guess I'd have to say after the civil war, wouldnt make much sense otherwise right? You know, the civil war that ended around Aug07 (funny how too many knocks to the head makes your memory a little fuzzy) when nationwide SIGACTS dropped to around the zero range? Or maybe it was when we got every single sheik worth knowing to sit down and form a combined sunni/shiite govt voted on by the people? Sure violence has flared up at times since then but we have sectarian violence in our own country without it being considered a failed state. There were violent extremist holdouts for years after the us civil war but I dont tbink anyone would argue that the north and south werent reconciled after Appomatox '65. It's not a perfect comparison but hopefully you take my point. You know what though, you're right for calling me out; tbreats and violence have no place in political discourse so I do apologize. I just get so mad at the blase attitude that comes out of the left on this topic when so many patriotic Iraqis and perhaps misguided Americans and coalition forces have given so much to forge the imperfect yet hopeful Iraq we have today. Response? Or should I be waiting at the airport ;)

 

HARRY GUY

1:34 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Monroe Doctrine

I don't understand why we can't go back to the Monroe doctrine until we get our own house back in order. The "New World" of America has enough resources to keep us well-off. With a growing Brazil, we have a potentially large trading partner.

 

SIN NOMBRE

5:31 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Question

While I disagree with them it's interesting to me seeing the very smart comments here saying that yes, we "won" the Iraq war in the way they define "winning."

Interesting especially given that from all I've seen—not to mention the results of the last Presidential election—the country at least clearly wanted out of Iraq.

Doesn't mean we didn't "win," but certainly doesn't mean nothing.

But, anyway, maybe another way to phrase the question to ourselves is asking whether, if we could go back in time, knowing exactly what we know now and not being able to change anything, we would support doing again what we did in Iraq?

I have a hard time believing anyone would say yes to this, but them's just my 'druthers as they used to say.

Any "yeses" out there then?

 

SGTD13FOX

12:28 AM ET

March 27, 2012

yes

yes

 

COYOTE99

6:07 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Thanks again

Bad form. It is your question- you answer it. I did but you didn't like my responses My point as to why your question is not "simple," but is a good one and a better lesson 1. Another answer for you: it is still to be determined so today the answer is that it is not yet decided. It is the definitive framing attempt by you to a question that is not known or simply answered at this time that I dismiss.
This is my framing point answer restated for you: the character and nature of the war evolved and are still doing so. The U.S. has simply left. So here's another attempt to satisfy you: from the original purpose of removing Saddam from power:victory/ worth it. From the long term impact: unknown. I will let each family and person that actually served in Iraqi Freedom answer for themselves your question as to whether it was worth it or not to them "today". For me, those are the only ones with any standing to answer. Honestly and personally, I'm still deciding that one myself but I do not think it is simple and I detest attempts to frame the question to suit political motivations and a pre-selected answer.

 

SGTD13FOX

6:59 PM ET

March 21, 2012

The will of the people is meaningless

The majority of people in the US wanted to remain British citizens. Wellesley (Later Duke Wellington) had a next to impossible task convincing nations to form a coalition against Napoleon- who used to let his soldiers have more than their fair share of "fun" when occupying a hostile city. Fighting the nazis was so politically unpopular here that even after we learned what was happening in concentration camps we refused to bomb them. I know politics is solely a popularity contest now but sometimes standing up to your own people is the right thing to do.
To me OIF/OEF isnt about winning or losing, it's about America realizing that the actions of our govt and corporations have had tragic and lasting consequences around the world. It's creating a social contract with the common men and women of other countries instead of just naively worrying about our own. I've had to weigh the cost of intervention more closely than most and I do believe, must believe, that the US Army is a force for universal human rights unlike any before in history. God help me if I am wrong.

 

ALLAN ERICKSON

7:40 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Comparative analysis

Good exercise: compare the professor's analysis with the Oct. 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:5:./temp/~c107ghdVSR::

I think the anti-Bush anti-Iraq war crowd is trying to save face for being so wrong for so long: revisionist reconstruction of egos.

 

ALLAN ERICKSON

7:40 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Comparative analysis

Good exercise: compare the professor's analysis with the Oct. 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:5:./temp/~c107ghdVSR::

I think the anti-Bush anti-Iraq war crowd is trying to save face for being so wrong for so long: revisionist reconstruction of egos.

 

PLUTARCH2020

6:40 PM ET

March 22, 2012

Allan Still Wrong

You do realize that that authorization says things like al Qaeda members are known to be in Iraq, and that justifies the war. Well there are still al Qaeda members in Iraq so how exactly did the war change anything?

 

SGTD13FOX

1:27 AM ET

March 27, 2012

Wow

Oh well it broke AQI's ability to effectively operate there and discredited Al Qaeda around the globe to the point where even your most hard line indoctrinated recruit is looking to other organizations for all the answers. Were you awake for the last 5 years or are you just guessing?

 

KUNINO

7:54 PM ET

March 21, 2012

To begin with, Lesson #1 is wrong

The United States won the war. it took a few weeks and cost few casualties. The nation lost the occupation, and did so because the administration of the day simply couldn't assemble a sensible group of Americans and American friends who knew much about Iraq. Instead, it assembled a group that thought Iraq was failing each time it wasn't like the US -- and should be compelled to remedy that "deficiency". This nonsense now seems to be named as American exceptionalism.

A better Lesson #2 would be: it's always a mistake to vote a military shirker to be president of the United States.

Mr Ricks and sundry other reporters reported close to a decade ago that Mr Bush was widely known to the troops as "the shirker" because of his unconventional termination of military service in the Texas Air National Guard. odd how that soundly-based wisdom seems to have blown away as though it never existed.

 

PLUTARCH2020

6:38 PM ET

March 22, 2012

Clausewitz

You should try to understand the relationship between politics and war. You cannot separate one stage of the war and say it was a success and another stage and say it wasn't. If the political goals of war are not met then the war, the entire war cannot be deduced to have been a success

 

SGTD13FOX

12:36 AM ET

March 27, 2012

Lose an occupation?

Does that make any sense to anyone? An occupation IS or ISN'T, you can't win or lose one; check your basic comprehension of the english language. I'm not sure I would call meeting every single stated goal of our civilian gov't as well as all directives coming out of MNFI/MNDB a solid metric for failure, but hey I'm just a non-commissioned man so what do I know right?

 

KITTYLYNN

11:09 PM ET

March 21, 2012

Linda Bilmes article on Lesson from Iraq

Anyone interested in this topic should read the excellent piece by Harvard Prof. Linda Bilmes, co-author of the Trillion Dollar War book with Joseph Stiglitz. Writing in the Boston Globe, Bilmes does not disagree with Walt but she lists a number of other lessons which are very compelling.

http://articles.boston.com/2011-12-07/bostonglobe/30497004_1_iraq-war-cost-war-spending-train-iraqi-forces

 

DUGLARRI

1:24 AM ET

March 22, 2012

The true lesson: American always listens to those who were wrong

The lesson I draw from this is that Americans will always listen to those who have always, always been wrong; and sadly, being right does not get you a hearing the next time.

 

SANDANDSHALE

1:59 AM ET

March 22, 2012

Correct on all points, Mr. Walt

A necessary analysis, bravely written. Andrew Bacevich, Reinhold Niebuhr, and countless others including Machiavelli (as you point out), back at least through Thucydides have made most of these points and with about the same effect on future operations as yours will have. The utter cluelessness of some commenters here is most sobering.

 

CJH1960

8:24 AM ET

March 22, 2012

It's Not Over Over There

Totally Spot on! Best postmortem I've read on the Iraq War to date. Lesson 1 is the ugly truth, which is why Lesson 10 is also my mantra - except he's more blunt than I was in my December HuffPost piece (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-holshek/iraq-war-end_b_1161456.html).

As some who has been there and done that (see Tom Rick's Fiasco), I'm intimately familiar with especially Lessons 6 and 8, and Lesson 9 explodes the common myth that we had no post-war plan.

Required reading, folks, considering we're on the edge of screwing up again in the case of Iran and perhaps Syria.

 

LEEN

10:18 AM ET

March 22, 2012

Lesson learned by US policy

Lesson learned by US policy analyst, US military and administrations.

Lying over and over again works. The all volunteer army works because Americans do not have to think about who these unnecessary wars lives destroy. The MSM is easy to manipulate and continues to be. Not counting the dead, injured, displaced in Iraq, Afghanistan etc works. And generally Americans do not care. .

Lying works, control and embed the media, don't count the dead and injured and don't show the public pictures of what has and is really going on. And no one will be held accountable for the false intelligence or crimes against humanity. Lessons learned

 

DIANA RELKE

12:40 PM ET

March 22, 2012

Petrodollar

Forcing regime change in countries that start to sell their oil in currencies other than US dollars does not always work.

 

STEFAN STACKHOUSE

3:44 PM ET

March 22, 2012

What "Grand Strategy"?

The US doesn't actually HAVE a grand strategy. I'm not sure we even have the type of people in high positions of authority who would know how to go about crafting one - or maybe even know what a grand strategy IS. This, to say the least, is a big part of our problem. A grand strategy establishes a set of clear priorities. When a great power does not have a grand strategy, then it has no clear priorities, which means that EVERYTHING ends up looking like a priority. That pretty accurately describes US foreign policy over the past few decades.

 

JMYER

3:58 AM ET

March 23, 2012

Back to the beginning …

In the first Comment on Professor Walt's "Top 10 Lessons of the Iraq War," HURRICANEWARNING says:

"Maybe the best "lesons of the Iraq war" article I have ever read. Food for thought for sure. Thankyou Professor Walt."

Perhaps the more correct term would be "lesions" of that war — which, like the first "Gulf War," continues after we have "declared victory" and left.

Instead of taking sides on the various comments made to date, I'd like to add a few "cards to the deck" — particularly as, although presented in a neat and cohesive form by a credentialed scholar, it is not really scholarly. Too much has been left out of the Letterman-like pop-listing of the "Top Ten Lessons," to wit:

#1: "We lost." Too simplistic. Per others' comments, Saddam was deposed in short order, the fruit of his own defiance of 16 UN resolutions (remember them?) demanding he end his WMD program. "War of choice"? Not really; had the U.S. (and the UK and other Coalition partners) failed to act, the UN would have been confirmed as toothless. Moreover, Saddam had been killing thousands of his own people every year (remember?), and yes, our forces were indeed hailed as liberators … until a combination of missteps and growing insurgencies turned us into foreign occupiers. Our costs and casualties are indeed losses — borne mostly by our killed and wounded and their families, and by the economic activities forgone by immediate war expenses (as additions to our national debt, itself exacerbated by our Great Recession), but most of our troops are proud to have served and believed in the good they accomplished while there.

As for the war critics' seizure on "no WMDs" as the U.S.'s primary objective, and thus trumpeting our inspectors' failure to find any as a "loss," it was certainly embarrassing (though the "Bush Lied" accusers should be ashamed of themselves). However, the full story may be different. Certainly Saddam had a nuclear weapon development program for a number of years . . . so where did it go? Here I'd recommend a review of *Saddam's Secrets," written by Iraqi Maj General Georges Sada, head of his air force (although a staunch Christian); the book was published in 2006, and covers events through 2005 (i.e., before our "failure" to find Saddam's WMDs became a cause celebre). For starters, he wrote (in p. 248):

"America made the right decision to come in and liberate Iraq, and despite some mistakes, I have to say they've done a great job. They broke Saddam's regime and eventually captured the dictator in his spider hole—that was a tremendous victory, and no one in Iraq or America should miss the symbolism of the way it was done. But the peace is still not won, and the future is uncertain. . . ."

As an insider he shows why disbanding the entire Iraqi army (vice retiring just its high-ranking officers) was a mistake and thereby helped populate the anti-American insurgency that followed. Then from p. 249 to 261, he describes Saddam's long-running (!) WMD program (comprising chemical weapons that he used, and nuclear weapons under development). In short, during 2002 - 2003 Saddam ordered his scientists and researchers to memorize their documents, had their WMD facilities destroyed, and smuggled their assets via commercial aircraft (under guise of humanitarian relief supplies) to Syria, which had suffered a river flood.

— Rumor? Unbelievable? A conspiracy theory? Perhaps, . . . but ask yourselves: What was that 2007 bombing of a Syrian facility all about? And why did the Syrians (as well as the Israelis and U.S. government) say nothing about it? Perhaps, as with our Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, a number of years must pass before the real truth comes out. But, IF Sada's account is validated, whether the UN or our inspectors found the main caches or not — in fact, whether such weapons actually existed or not — the outcome can be claimed as a "win": neither Saddam nor Syria got to use them, and Saddam brought about his own and his Baathist party's demise by his own intransigence. (The downside, however, is that Iran is trading on our embarrassment and current caution to pursue its own nuclear ambitions. . . .)

Also unmentioned in Professor Walt's trendy piece are the terrorist acts of al Qaeda affiliates (which had flocked to Iraq) — and the fact that their leader, al-Zarqawi, along with many of his fellow-"militants," paid with their lives while al Qaeda itself lost favor with much of the Islamic world as a result of its indiscriminate brutality. I'd claim this as a net "win" also.

As for the 2007-8 surge, it certainly dampened the sectarian violence (its primary objective), and thus on balance is indeed another "win," whether Iraq's still-evolving "democracy" is to our liking or not. As for "the Bush administration negotiat[ing] the 2008 Status of Forces agreement that set the timetable for U.S. withdrawal," then-Candidate Obama had undermined the U.S. position by advocating an early withdrawal, thus strengthening Iraqi Prime Minister Malaki's position — which resulted in now-President Obama's difficulty in assuring a meaningful presence in Iraq after our troops have withdrawn . . . in accordance with his campaign promise.

If we extend these circumstances to Afghanistan (arguably an even more complicated situation), then President Obama may well wind up losing his war there as well as Bush's war in Iraq — especially if Professor Walt's criteria are applied.

Well, I'd like to address several other of the article's Lessons (and some of the Comments thereon), but I've run out of time. One of the most useful lessons, I've found, is to learn what the enemy was thinking and doing in any particular conflict — vice focusing primarily or solely on our own interests and viewpoints. (You may be sure that our friends and enemies are studying us and ours.)

Unfortunately, as a people we seem to have difficulty taking this approach, even after the fracas is over and secrets revealed. Accordingly, I suggest that our professor's judgments, even while offering much "Food for thought," remain wanting.

JM
(Sada's book should be available on Amazon.com and other on-line bookstores. Check it out; it's a gripping record of first-person experiences that shed fresh light on that war.)

 

SIN NOMBRE

9:03 AM ET

March 23, 2012

By the nature of the terms if you aren't doing one, then ....

Smartly and obviously enough lots of the discussion here has shown that how you define "winning" depends on your answer to whether we won or lost.

It seems to me however that there are indeed more important senses of the term and less important senses.

Thus, two days back, being a "we lost" guy and thus obviously addressing the "we won" folks here I asked what seemed to me a simple question:

Whether, If we could go back in time, knowing exactly what we know now and not being able to change anything, would you support doing again what we did in Iraq?"

And then asked:

"Any 'yeses' out there ...?"

And so far at least there have been no such unambiguous "yes" answers that I've seen.

To me at least then the results appear to indicate that nobody is willing to unambiguously say that yes, the Iraq thing was indeed worth it.

And I have a hard time not seeing why indeed that *isn't* the most important way to define "winning."

If not, after all, then what possible definition does one put to the term "losing"?

 

ALANITO

9:18 AM ET

March 23, 2012

#10 could have been renamed...

the Vizzini Rule, but that might have been a bit too flippant given the circumstances.

 

INSOMNIACATTACK

2:38 PM ET

March 23, 2012

Commendable piece--except that these arguments would be

unnecessary if we were to simply reject the basic premise upon which they rely: the doctrine of American interventionism. This is the one lesson the American people ought to have learned from September 11th and from the intervening years of war--that intervention, while it may hold utility for some in the short run, is a severe detriment to both US security and indigenous democracy movements in the long (and often times short) run. And the problem isn't just interventions like the Iraq war, which required a substantial amount of boots on the ground, but also ones like Libya, which is suspected to have resulted in the deaths of thousands of civilians and which all the evidence points to being yet another politico-economically motivated coup. And the most tragic thing of all is that it is not independently-minded foreign dictators and rogue regimes but US interventionism, practiced over decades, that has caused things to fall as they have and, thus, seemingly justify more US interventionism!

So you are quite correct, Prof. Walt, that we must revise the US grand strategy, but not just to avoid wars like Iraq. Non-Americans must be treated as ends in themselves, not means in an American world order. They must also be allowed the ability to determine their own destinies, and not have their futures shoved upon them by Americans who claim to know what is best for them.

 

SGTD13FOX

12:56 AM ET

March 27, 2012

How much glue did you sniff tofay?

Wow, valid points except for the fact that we haven't been successfulky attacked since 9/11 and we stood up an "indigenous democracy" whatever the hell that means in real people talk.

 

THROWNAWAY

2:13 PM ET

March 24, 2012

The #1 lesson is that we

The #1 lesson is that we lost? Iraq was an asymmetrical conflict. I think most historians will agree on that. Can the author define an alternative to losing? Would finding WMDs in Iraq have effected Iran's current position in the Persian Gulf? What about Afghanistan? Now that we've left Iraq, are we righting the ship there? How do you fix Afghanistan? Is it possible? Should we commit trillions more to that cause?

I've read this article so many times before. Get a new routine.

 

SWEINBERG

7:37 PM ET

March 24, 2012

Curious and Curiouser...

That this article would be framed so neo"con"classically as "we lost" is intellectually pedestrian at best. Come on professor, you can muster a more robust cerebral claim than that. This is grade school level reasoning for issues far more complex, and you insult your readers with your diatribe. Time would be better spent covering monster truck games at the local arena, with beer swigging misfits and car crushing antics. We Win! Oh please, spare us the self loathing...

 

LOUCOATNEY

3:46 PM ET

March 25, 2012

Academia's responsibility/guilt for Iraq

Prof. Walt's basic points are very good, but he overlooks how academia helped sanction our unjustified and therefore war crime Iraq invasion and occupation.

His Lesson No. 3 about ensuring open and thorough debate grimly amused me. On H-Diplo on 14May99, I helped blow the whistle on Appendix B of the Rambouillet Treaty with which NATO demanded the unconditional occupation/surrender of ALL Yugoslavia including Serbia, which as Blair&Clinton well knew would make the treaty unacceptable to the Serbs and (with the media's collaboration in not reporting App. B) seemingly justify our bombing war against them. (See Grunfeld's 8Jun99 H-Diplo confirmation of this.)

A few years later, after - in response to a list-wide invitation to discuss ethnic groups' influence over American foreign policy - I submitted an objective, referenced posting describing institutions of our Jewish American community (like the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum with its 31Mar99 Comm. on Conscience press release) endorsing our illegal attack on Yugoslavia, I was permanently blocked/banned from posting/debating on H-Diplo. (A 26Jul06 posting slipped by a new editor, but a subsequent submission of mine was mockingly rejected.)

So much for "academic/intellectual freedom" in diplomatic history in American academia.

Lesson 8, that occupations are inherently vicious and produce atrocities and war crimes, was a given before we invaded but is good to be driven home.

But his Lesson 10. - that we should rethink our foreign policy - brings up academia's own responsibility/guilt for what happened.

Right here on Foreign Policy on 1Nov02, diplomatic historian John Lewis Gaddis authored "A Grand Strategy of Transformation" which endorses pre-emptive war and "reforming" authoritarian regimes - regime change - supposedly being justified by the "new circumstances" evidenced by 9/11 (which many Americans suspected even then of being at least in part a false flag operation).

John is pre-eminent in his field, and his endorsement of aggressive interventionism - which in Iraq's case has proven to have been fraudulently motivated aggression - can presume to have been influential if not decisive in muting any academic questioning/debate at the time. Nothing at all was mentioned about this historic departure from previous American foreign policy on H-Diplo from Oct02 to Apr03, and Gaddis was a member of its editorial board and staff.

Had I not been blocked from posting, there certainly would have been lively discussion well before we attacked Iraq. Indeed, I would welcome having my H-Diplo ban being lifted, so that I might initiate and lead a discussion of the consequences and liability of Dr. Gaddis's article, just as I raised the Rambouillet App. B question in 1999.

Lou Coatney, www.coatneyhistory.com

 

PENYAKIT DIABETES

9:34 PM ET

March 25, 2012

Iraq must pay

Iraq has lost the war. Iraq must pay because the winner of the war takes all.
Get all of their oils for replenishment of war cost and casualties lossess.
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SGTD13FOX

1:15 AM ET

March 27, 2012

You're right!

Iraq DID get "all of their oils" to offset the horrible, horrible costs of war. No foreign company has profited from a single gallon of Iraqi oil withoit it first directly benefitting the gov't and people of Iraq. Local corruption aside it is miraculous that a country under the thumb of a foreign power was able to keep the profits of its own natural resources for perhaps the first time in history. Talk about an inconvenient truth, huh?

 

JRACFORR

5:15 PM ET

March 26, 2012

The consequence of this war

The consequence of this war was not what we intended, but it was known to us long before this war was even contemplated.The real winner in this drama is Iran and the Shia population of the Middle East. We knew this day was coming because we started to groom Iran for it's grand entrance into middle eastern affairs, during the days of the Shah of Iran. Unfortunately we stumbled in the process and ended with and Iranian enemy instead of a friend. The Shia population of the min-east has been oppressed for a long time and they will have a say in this region whether we like it or not. The tragedy for Iran is that it has entwined it fortune with the Palestinian debacle and this could result in a Pyrrhic Victory for them, but a victory non the less. The destruction of the Sunni core of the Islamic world could only result in the expansion of the eastern provinces. Quite similar to the expansion of the Slavic Nations once Germany was defeated

 

SGTD13FOX

1:04 AM ET

March 27, 2012

How can a consequence be known before it is contemplated?

What does that even mean? While I enjoy the occasional dutch or bong rip as much as the next guy, you really should not indulge immediately prior to posting. Also while it is pronounced "Shia" it is certainly not spelled that way. I know it's tough for liberals but you could at least pretend to have some respect for other cultures.

 

BACONNCHEESE

6:14 PM ET

March 27, 2012

my roomate's aunt makes

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JOSHUAFP

7:42 AM ET

March 28, 2012

No Lesson From War - War Cause Disaster

Iraq will become the new Palestine/Israel. As little kids say, when it comes to the world, "we are not the boss of them" and this growing chant by republicans that we should now invade Iran or use covert operations or whatever is "deja vu all over again." We need to learn from our past mistakes, including Viet Nam when France tried to warn us and Afghanistan when Russia tried to warn us what we were getting ourselves into, and stop posturing like an oversexed rooster. Get real life doing better job - SEO Apps or Lelaki Kacak.

 

FINNMACCOOL

2:37 PM ET

March 28, 2012

" This was a bipartisan failure..."

No.
No, it wasn't.

" ..both conservatives and liberals, Republicans and Democrats all tended to jump onboard the bandwagon to war. "

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed the House 297 - 133 with 60% of Democrats & liberals accounting for 127 of the 133 Nays, it passed the Senate 77 - 23 with 44% of the Democrats and liberals accounting for 22 of the 23 Nay votes.
There were anti war demonstrations. On Feb 15, 2003 10 million marched world wide. 500,000 in NYC alone marched.

There was NOTHING 'bipartisan' about this.

 

SJ_ATLANTICIST

12:11 PM ET

March 29, 2012

The Atlanticist View: Use Institutions to Avoid Repeat Mistakes

1. Regarding Prof. Walt’s lesson #2 about the striking ease of taking America to war, what are we to do about it? One approach would be to focus on the benefits to the U.S. of stronger engagement in multilateral institutions -- exercising leadership through them, just as we did in the early Cold War. Most of the post-war international regimes (UN, NATO, WTO, etc.) were essentially created by the U.S. with rules that give us certain advantages (veto power, basing rights, $ supremacy, etc.) while also promoting international legitimacy and fairness. Sticking to these regimes encourages others to do the same, locking in the advantages that accrue to us and lowering the cost to us of having to enforce those rules. Moreover, if the domestic constraints on rash executive branch decision making are no longer sufficient to hold back the unrestrained use of military power, these international institutions provide another check on our soundness. We bristle at the idea of being constrained by an IO, but giving credence to the international regime essentially amounts to following the rules that we ourselves created. Just as it is wise to honor the Constitution and our laws, it is wise to honor the treaty agreements we sign up to. Doing so would help keep us out of trouble.

2. The U.S. is correct to promote the capabilities and capacity of its allies. One of the reasons the U.S. didn't care to accept the aid of NATO after 9/11 and didn't care to cultivate the active support of serious allies in the campaign was because we made a material calculation -- probably correct -- that the costs of dealing with a multinational campaign as in Kosovo weren't worth the additional tactical capabilities on offer. Increasing the capabilities of our allies makes them more attractive partners, and gives the U.S. additional incentives to work through the regimes including those allies.

3. The end of the unipolar moment might actually be a good thing. Ten years of 'full spectrum dominance' have couldn’t prevent strategic debacle. A good chunk of realist IR theory actually predicts this -- that hubris leads to the overestimation of one's capabilities and dismissiveness about costs. All this talk today about the 'rise' of China, India, and other countries really amounts to a rebalancing of power towards more historically normal patterns. And if nothing else, the existence of 'peer competitors' to the U.S. could promote more disciplined strategic thinking and more effective political consultation with U.S. allies.

4. Reducing the defense budget might be a good thing. Especially if done properly, we can excise the ungainly influence and growth of the defense industries and further limit our capacity for strategic error without diminishing our security. As Walt says, we're basically incredibly secure as is now. Navies and Air Forces take decades to develop, so cuts to those services could be more modest to provide a hedge against future threats. High-investment Army platforms and skillsets like Special Forces and professional Non-Commissioned Officers should also be maintained with discretion. Cuts have the potential to be good not only for the country but would also give the military a chance to reduce bureaucracy and improve quality. Moreover, cuts to the U.S. defense budget might do more to encourage U.S. allies to shoulder more of the burden for collective security, via initiatives such as NATO’s ‘Smart Defence’ or others.

5. Prof. Walt's injunction simply to have better strategy and not make these mistakes in the future is fine. But how to do that? The military doesn’t choose the wars, so what is it to do? It seems to me the only reasonable alternatives for the military are either to prepare/plan for all contingencies (including COIN) as best we can, or to excise those capabilities in the hopes that lack of capacity will make political decision-makers less likely to embark on those kinds of operations. The same challenge existed after Vietnam. In the early days of 21st century COIN, we often derided our own forgetfulness of the lessons of COIN from Vietnam (e.g. Learning to Eat Soup with a Knife). But the Army essentially and deliberately chose to pursue an organizational course of action post-Vietnam that made COIN less likely by deliberately minimizing COIN capabilities. This conventional approach was pretty successful through the Gulf War. I predict that we'll end up doing the same thing again - forgetting about COIN and hoping for a twenty year lease on not having to do it again. All bets off after that.

** Written as part of the Atlantic Council's Young Atlanticist Working Group

 

MAPSOFWORLD

5:59 AM ET

March 31, 2012

US - UN - Iraq War

Did The United Nations Fail At Keeping US From Entering The Iraq War? Is The UN Dominated By US?
http://bit.ly/usun12

 

JMYER

6:31 AM ET

April 1, 2012

Back to the Beginning … A Follow-up

If anybody's still reading this, I'd like to add a few points:

1. As nobody has challenged anything I wrote earlier, I'd like to infer that my historical inputs and corrections are accepted. ;-)

2. One more point might explain how the UN could pass 16 resolutions against Saddam's nuclear program (yes, it did exist) without approving an official UN operation: It was only after our Coalition's invasion that the extent of Saddam's "oil bribery" of key UN countries and their buyers became a scandal; presumably, his goal had been to undermine the international community (and UN itself) and assure that they would not unite against him with force. Upon discovery, a wide investigation was promised, and may even have occurred. However, no results or punishment of the guilty seem to have occurred. Can anybody shed any light on this? Was there a "lesson" in this that Professor Walt could have included?

3. I mostly agree with Allan Erickson's points, with one caveat: Yes, the disbanding of the entire Iraqi army was a mistake — in retrospect. However, our main prior example had been the extensive denazification of post-WWII Germany. If we had kept the mostly Baathist officials in authority (for continuity of government), we may well have given rein to an internal (Sunni) insurgency, exacerbated by the Shi'ite majority, from the start. . . . Sometimes 20-20 hindsight can be overrun by the Law of Unintended Consequences (which was presumably written by "Murphy").

4. Another mistake had been to let the Iraqis handle the 2004 Fallujah uprising themselves. This failure was corrected a couple of years later by our U.S. Marines, but with more devastation than would have occurred had they been allowed to proceed in the first place. Moreover, the chance to neutralize the “fiery cleric” Moqtada al-Sadr and his “Mahdi army” might have saved many U.S. as well as Iraqi lives.

5. My hat’s off to IRAQVET and SGTD13FOX for their first-hand facts and observations. Whether agreeable or not to the academic and policy wonks in this forum, they offer insiders’ expertise and considerations that should inform the rest of us.

6. Finally, in response to SJ_ATLANTICIST, above:

a. “[S]tronger engagement in multilateral institutions” is certainly desirable — provided our leadership and/or their participation can be achieved in sufficient and timely fashion. However, even our friends can decline or even veto our initiatives, such as France’s last-minute refusal to support President Bush’s proposed UN-sponsored operation against Saddam’s Iraq, and Russian and Chinese UN Security Council vetoes of most U.S. motions. It is because we no longer live in a bipolar world that the U.S. cannot be assured of support by its traditional allies.

b. While the U.S. may have declined NATO aid in offensive operations after 9/11, it was glad to accept seven NATO AEW&C (AWACS) aircraft to give relief to our national E-3A AWACS fleet for a few months — perhaps the only time that NATO assets deployed to the Western Hemisphere to date.

c. Professor Walt may have stated that the U.S. is “basically incredibly secure”today, but so was the view for the ten years preceding 9/11 — a decade of continuing decreases in military forces to the point where, when we needed them in 2003 and following, we had neither enough people nor enough of the right equipment to meet the demands of both Iraq and Afghanistan . . . a two-theater situation we could have managed satisfactorily during much of the Cold War.

d. The contrarian view that we could avoid future entanglements by deliberately reducing forces or specific capabilities (“saving money” thereby), is likely to prove foolish and costly over the long run — as the multiple combat tours, crash programs and casualties have shown during the past decade. Moreover, our future threats may well involve new risks, as North Korean and Iranian intransigence over their nuclear capabilities is telling us. As for suggesting that “cuts to the U.S. defense budget might … encourage U.S. allies to shoulder more of the burden for collective security,”that is pure foolishness. First of all, our and their views of “collective security” may well differ today. Secondly, when the U.S. drew down its NATO forces to meet expanding needs during the Southeast Asia War (aka “Vietnam”), our NATO allies, far from increasing their forces to meet our shortfall, also decreased their forces to maintain their same percentages of commitment to NATO — despite the continuing level of threat from the Warsaw Pact, mere hundreds of miles away or less.

e. Indeed our “military doesn’t choose the wars,” but, as it is by definition responsible for fighting them, it cannot limit its forces or capabilities except as directed by civilian and legal authority or by (un)availability of funds. We may still be “the world’s sole surviving superpower,” but we never have been living in a “unipolar world”; instead, we went from a bipolar to a multipolar world as fast as centrifugal forces loosened international ties and enabled nations to pursue their own interests. Thus, adapting former-Defense Secretary Rumsfeld’s words, we must plan (at least to some degree) for not only the “known” and “known-unknown” threats, but also for the “unknown unknowns,” because (as he also said): “One goes to war with the forces on has.” Accordingly, we must make and keep them as capable and ready as “the law [and money] allow.”

By definition, Surprises are Unexpected, and Accidents are not Planned.

 

GROVER LAHMANN

8:46 PM ET

April 18, 2012

Lessons of the Iraq War

I know that, Five of the first six contract awards announced Tuesday were for parachutes costing nearly $1 billion. All five contracts were for “low-cost, low velocity parachutes.” Alas, as is becoming increasingly common, the contract announcements don’t specify how many are being bought, so it’s difficult to assess the “low cost” claim. We trust the competition keeps prices down. The Army’s Medical Department just published a journal devoted to the use of dogs in Army medicine. I wanted to highlight the publication here on Time’s Battleland. Both dog- and soldier-lovers can read it for free.